Influence

[aleuzzi]

Okay, I think there needs to be a new thread here!

I was trying to think of which artists appear to have been influenced by Christine's songs and musicianship. Any ideas?

[jbrownsjr]

Okay, I think there needs to be a new thread here!

I was trying to think of which artists appear to have been influenced by Christine's songs and musicianship. Any ideas?

I've heard Tori Amos say that she was very fond of Christine.

[aleuzzi]

I've heard Tori Amos say that she was very fond of Christine.

This kind of surprises me...I know she loves Stevie.

[foxyluva]

I've heard Tori Amos say that she was very fond of Christine.

I know that she has covered 'Songbird', but I have never heard of her mentioning Christine specifically. Got a link?

[Gailh]

Lots of people have covered Songbird so there would be an influence there.

I'm not sure whether her influence would extend beyond FM where it was probably only noticed after she'd left.

Gail

[Tee Dee]

OK...so technically I don't have squat to add to this thread ... but...

When I listen to Bob Seger's song - The Fire Inside - it has this great piano part and I think of Christine every time I hear it.

I know that Waddy Wachtel worked with Seger for a while, so maybe... there was some sort of FM connection. (Maybe ...I need to get out the liner notes and see if it is Christine banging away on the white & blacks...) :shrug:

T.D.

[nicepace]

I think every woman who plays an instrument in a pop or rock band has been influenced by Christine -- although most of them probably don't realize it. I think Christine, by being a musician in a rock band and not making a fuss about it, made it acceptable for women to play instruments in bands, not just sing.

[DrK]

I think because she was one of the first women who played in a band, wrote songs, and performed, she was important. I can't remember which program I saw about Sheryl Crow, but the narrator mentioned that Christine was a role model.

[Gailh]

I think every woman who plays an instrument in a pop or rock band has been influenced by Christine -- although most of them probably don't realize it. I think Christine, by being a musician in a rock band and not making a fuss about it, made it acceptable for women to play instruments in bands, not just sing.

Good point. I struggled to think of anyone who you could say was influenced by Christine. But as you say she has been a role model for women who want to sing and play in a band.

Gail

[macfan 57]

I think every woman who plays an instrument in a pop or rock band has been influenced by Christine -- although most of them probably don't realize it. I think Christine, by being a musician in a rock band and not making a fuss about it, made it acceptable for women to play instruments in bands, not just sing.

I totally agree. When she was in Chicken Shack & then in Fleetwood Mac, she was the only female musician in a band. She was even slightly defensive about it in that 1976 People Magazine article.

[Gailh]

I totally agree. When she was in Chicken Shack & then in Fleetwood Mac, she was the only female musician in a band. She was even slightly defensive about it in that 1976 People Magazine article.

I'm sure she mentioned in the "My Top 12" interview that she thought she might have been the only female who played an instrument in a band in the 60's.

It's funny but I never think of her as a trail blazer. Probably because she makes so little fuss herself.

I think that FM might have been one of the first bands to include two women who actually wrote songs.

Gail

[aleuzzi]

IIt's funny but I never think of her as a trail blazer. Probably because she makes so little fuss herself.
Gail

I know! It's strange. Here she was, playing heavy rock in the early seventies, part of a band that opened for the likes of Deep Purple and Savoy Brown, and people rarely acknowledge it.

I remember VH1 (was it VH1?) did its 100 most inluential women in rock. Christine was like 71 or something. I thought What! Outside of singers, women had virtually no place in rock before her. She also wrote her own songs--something few women did before, Carol King and Bonnie Bramlet being notable exceptions.

But she wasn't merely a singer-songwriter, or a chick singer, she was a band member. And a great player, too.

[strandinthewind]

I think the fact that CM was never the stand out star in FM (before, during, and after BN) makes her less of an obvious choice for a musical influence to younger artists. But, I think her music surely was if for no reason other than FM's great success in the Rumors line up, though her talent extends far past that time period.

[JazmenFlowers]

I think the fact that CM was never the stand out star in FM (before, during, and after BN) makes her less of an obvious choice for a musical influence to younger artists. But, I think her music surely was if for no reason other than FM's great success in the Rumors line up, though her talent extends far past that time period.
iawtc. :wavey:

[nicepace]

... CM was never the stand out star in FM ....

WHAT! I beg your pardon; Christine most certainly WAS the standout star, as far as I'm concerned. And that's not just my opinion; which songwriter had the most hits?

As far as her place in rock history as a pioneering woman singer/songwriter/musician, at the time there were a few other women who performed all three roles (Carole King and Joni Mitchell come to mind) but they were solo performers. Christine performed those three roles IN A BAND, on an equal basis with men in the band. Despite many years of awareness of gender inequality issues in our society, it is still difficult for a woman to succeed in any male-dominated profession, the way Christine succeeded in the extremely male-dominated profession of rock music.

There still aren't a lot of women in rock who perform all three roles in a band, on an equal footing with the guys. There have been plenty of all-women bands since Chris got her start in music, some of whom have been very successful, but to this day it continues to be fairly rare for a woman to be a success in all three roles in a mixed-gender band. I have a huge, huge amount of respect for Christine that she was able to succeed at this, and for so many years, and that she never saw the need to point out to the world that she was a rock 'n' roll pioneer. She was never one for self-promotion; she just was a musician doing her job.

[aleuzzi]

WHAT! I beg your pardon; Christine most certainly WAS the standout star, as far as I'm concerned. And that's not just my opinion; which songwriter had the most hits?

As far as her place in rock history as a pioneering woman singer/songwriter/musician, at the time there were a few other women who performed all three roles (Carole King and Joni Mitchell come to mind) but they were solo performers. Christine performed those three roles IN A BAND, on an equal basis with men in the band. Despite many years of awareness of gender inequality issues in our society, it is still difficult for a woman to succeed in any male-dominated profession, the way Christine succeeded in the extremely male-dominated profession of rock music.

There still aren't a lot of women in rock who perform all three roles in a band, on an equal footing with the guys. There have been plenty of all-women bands since Chris got her start in music, some of whom have been very successful, but to this day it continues to be fairly rare for a woman to be a success in all three roles in a mixed-gender band. I have a huge, huge amount of respect for Christine that she was able to succeed at this, and for so many years, and that she never saw the need to point out to the world that she was a rock 'n' roll pioneer. She was never one for self-promotion; she just was a musician doing her job.


Amen! Say it Loud!

[Blondie85]

oh wow there are just too many , ill try to name a few:

Belinda Carlisle, Sheryl Crow, the Dixie Chicks, Michelle Branch, Tori Amos, Courtney Love, Michelle Hotaling, Laura Branigan etc....etc...etc..

Wait a sec, this is about Christine:

hmmmm....im drawing a blank:shrug:



think every woman who plays an instrument in a pop or rock band has been influenced by Christine

lol, :]

[aleuzzi]

oh wow there are just too many , ill try to name a few:

Belinda Carlisle, Sheryl Crow, the Dixie Chicks, Michelle Branch, Tori Amos, Courtney Love, Michelle Hotaling, Laura Branigan etc....etc...etc..

Wait a sec, this is about Christine:

hmmmm....im drawing a blank:shrug:

lol, :]


I get what you're saying, but that's part of the point we're trying to make: Stevie (a frontline singer) is influential as a lead chick singer. But Christine was a player alongside the guys. She paved the way for women to do more than sing and write songs. She made it possible for women to be musicians.

[strandinthewind]

I get what you're saying, but that's part of the point we're trying to make: Stevie (a frontline singer) is influential as a lead chick singer. But Christine was a player alongside the guys. She paved the way for women to do more than sing and write songs. She made it possible for women to be musicians.

Stevie also is no player - CM is a magnificent player. Just listen to Brett's cover of her songs on the SYW tour. I think Brett is a great player and I like him and his style, but CM owns those songs and the difference is clear when I hear them.

Plus, anyone who can write "Why" is a goddes in my book. Interestingly, I would have LOVED to have heard Janis cover "Why" sort of like she did "Summertime" :eek:

[jbrownsjr]

I know that she has covered 'Songbird', but I have never heard of her mentioning Christine specifically. Got a link?

my friend here in los angeles is a huge... tori fan... he had so many interviews on vhs... that i couldn't possible rememeber... but she mentioned about 7 english artists... mccartney and mcvie were the two i remember....

[Gailh]

I get what you're saying, but that's part of the point we're trying to make: Stevie (a frontline singer) is influential as a lead chick singer. But Christine was a player alongside the guys. She paved the way for women to do more than sing and write songs. She made it possible for women to be musicians.

Blondie 85 is the troll who spoiled the forum on Christine's own website. Ignore the little sh*t

Gail

[Gailh]

oh wow there are just too many , ill try to name a few:

Belinda Carlisle, Sheryl Crow, the Dixie Chicks, Michelle Branch, Tori Amos, Courtney Love, Michelle Hotaling, Laura Branigan etc....etc...etc..

Wait a sec, this is about Christine:

hmmmm....im drawing a blank:shrug:

lol, :]

I take it this will be your one and only contribution to this thread? that's your normal behaviour. why don't you go and haunt another board?

Gail

[macfan 57]

she mentioned about 7 english artists... mccartney and mcvie were the two i remember....

McCartney & McVie....I like the sound of those two together.:)

[macfan 57]

I get what you're saying, but that's part of the point we're trying to make: Stevie (a frontline singer) is influential as a lead chick singer. But Christine was a player alongside the guys. She paved the way for women to do more than sing and write songs. She made it possible for women to be musicians.

aleuzzi, as Gail said, this idiot troll is not a serious poster. He's not even a Fleetwood Mac fan.

[Gailh]

aleuzzi, as Gail said, this idiot troll is not a serious poster. He's not even a Fleetwood Mac fan.

Very true.

I hope he's seen the article about Stevie missing Christine :laugh: :laugh:

Gail

[macfan 57]

I hope he's seen the article about Stevie missing Christine :laugh: :laugh:

Gail

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[Gailh]

The little scumbag has turned up on the Post Rumours board now.

I clocked him though and pointed out he is a Troll

Gail

[aleuzzi]

aleuzzi, as Gail said, this idiot troll is not a serious poster. He's not even a Fleetwood Mac fan.

Aha! No wonder no one else attempted to crush him with his Christine smack talk. I'm a little slow on the uptake, I'm afraid. LOL.