Sheryl Crow adopted a baby boy!

[Tango]

This was posted on her website:

Hey Everybody,

I am so excited to share with you guys that I've adopted a little boy... he was born 2 weeks ago.

His name is Wyatt (after my dad) Steven (after my little brother and Scooter) and we are enjoying some very private family time.

Just wanted you to be the first to know.

Lots of love,
Sheryl.



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Congrats to Sheryl! :)

[Livia]

Good for her! :thumbsup:

[rbs3676]

That is very cool...

rbs

[sparky]

I dig Sheryl.
I love her music.
I think she's hot.
Good for her for fulfilling her need to raise a child.
She has the means to give this little boy everything money can buy.
Um, except a father.

On that count, I have to say, poor little boy.
:distress:

[carrie721]

I dig Sheryl.
I love her music.
I think she's hot.
Good for her for fulfilling her need to raise a child.
She has the means to give this little boy everything money can buy.
Um, except a father.

On that count, I have to say, poor little boy.
:distress:

would you feel differently if she had adopted a girl?

hopefully there will be someone in his life who will act as a paternal figure, but he'll probably have a better life with sheryl than he will in foster care. :shrug:

[sparky]

would you feel differently if she had adopted a girl?

Maybe a bit. But not that much.

there will be someone in his life who will act as a paternal figure, but he'll probably have a better life with sheryl than he will in foster care. :shrug:

Perhaps there will be. Or perhaps not.

Better than foster care? Yeah. Better than being left in a box in an alley too.

Point being...


:shrug:

[carrie721]

Maybe a bit. But not that much.

cool. i was just curious.

Perhaps there will be. Or perhaps not.

Better than foster care? Yeah. Better than being left in a box in an alley too.

Point being...


:shrug:

my point is just that there are too many babies and not enough people willing to care for them. so if someone is willing and able to take care of a child, that is a valuable thing, even if it's not the ideal setup.

[sparky]

my point is just that there are too many babies and not enough people willing to care for them. so if someone is willing and able to take care of a child, that is a valuable thing, even if it's not the ideal setup.

I respect that point. It is better than no home or some fukced up insitutional bounce job.

Still a bit of a bummer to me though.

[foxyluva]

I respect that point. It is better than no home or some fukced up insitutional bounce job.

Still a bit of a bummer to me though.

If you have such a strong opinion on adoption, I would love to know what you think about artificial insemination :D

[carrie721]

I respect that point. It is better than no home or some fukced up insitutional bounce job.

Still a bit of a bummer to me though.

i can dig that. maybe i place less value on the importance of a father figure because i was raised without one.

[carrie721]

If you have such a strong opinion on adoption, I would love to know what you think about artificial insemination :D

oh ****. don't get me started. :laugh:

[foxyluva]

oh ****. don't get me started. :laugh:

I have some pretty strong opinions on it myself :laugh:

[carrie721]

I have some pretty strong opinions on it myself :laugh:

last time i brought it up a breeder got really mad at me. :laugh:

[foxyluva]

last time i brought it up a breeder got really mad at me. :laugh:

lol @ breeder. Heterophobe :laugh:

[sparky]

If you have such a strong opinion on adoption, I would love to know what you think about artificial insemination :D

I doubt you would.

i can dig that. maybe i place less value on the importance of a father figure because i was raised without one.

Could be. I don't think they're replacable or irrelevant.
People don't die without them, but I think kids need Dads.
Boys especially.

[carrie721]

lol @ breeder. Heterophobe :laugh:

:laugh:

not a heterophobe - that goes for anyone who procreates, including lesbians with their turkey basters ;)

Could be. I don't think they're replacable or irrelevant.
People don't die without them, but I think kids need Dads.
Boys especially.

you're probably right. in our society, tho, fathers are hot commodities.

[foxyluva]

:laugh:

not a heterophobe - that goes for anyone who procreates, including lesbians with their turkey basters ;)

Too right. No penis, no vagina, then no babies :shrug:

[danax6]

i can dig that. maybe i place less value on the importance of a father figure because i was raised without one.Same. Though I was raised without a mother. I turned out okay. :shrug:

[carrie721]

Same. Though I was raised without a mother. I turned out okay. :shrug:

no, now you have to depend on cronyism to determine your self-worth. :laugh:

oh wait, so do i.

we've both lost our way :distress:

[danax6]

we've both lost our way :distress:You sound surprised. :laugh:

Seriously though, I understand tradition and all, but in this day and age it's getting to be almost common that children get raised by one parent. They don't automatically turn into little Ted Bundys or Hannibal Lecters because of that.

[foxyluva]

I turned out okay. :shrug:

Thats debatable :p

[danax6]

Thats debatable :pYes, little ****, I was going to add 'depends on who you ask', but I figured that was too obvious. :laugh:

Why is everybody here at this hour? Usually I am allll alone when I get up.

[foxyluva]

Yes, little ****, I was going to add 'depends on who you ask', but I figured that was too obvious. :laugh:

Why is everybody here at this hour? Usually I am allll alone when I get up.

:laugh: :thumbsup:

Well, its only 10 pm in NZ - and I don't usually go online at this time, even though its most convenient for me, because nobody is ever here. However, I happened to check, and Carrie was online - so I stayed.

[carrie721]

Yes, little ****, I was going to add 'depends on who you ask', but I figured that was too obvious. :laugh:

Why is everybody here at this hour? Usually I am allll alone when I get up.

i know, when i saw you were up, i knew it had to be really, really late. and it is. it's after 6 am here. ugh.

:laugh: :thumbsup:

Well, its only 10 pm in NZ - and I don't usually go online at this time, even though its most convenient for me, because nobody is ever here. However, I happened to check, and Carrie was online - so I stayed.

you are obsessed with me.

:lol:

it never gets old.

[danax6]

:laugh: :thumbsup:

Well, its only 10 pm in NZ - and I don't usually go online at this time, even though its most convenient for me, because nobody is ever here. However, I happened to check, and Carrie was online - so I stayed.Makes sense. Carrie either got up to take a walk in the morning dew, or she took some XTC.

[carrie721]

Makes sense. Carrie either got up to take a walk in the morning dew, or she took some XTC.

:laugh: neither, although at this point i may just stay up!

[danax6]

:laugh: neither, although at this point i may just stay up!Who cares, it's Saturday, live a little. :wavey: I have to go to work in about an hour. :mad:

[foxyluva]

you are obsessed with me.

:lol:

it never gets old.

****er :laugh:

[carrie721]

****er :laugh:

hang on, let me pull another one out of the vault ...

ever since i stole your man, you are such a little beeyotch!

:lol:

[foxyluva]

hang on, let me pull another one out of the vault ...

ever since i stole your man, you are such a little beeyotch!

:lol:

Im glad you are enjoying yourself - like your 100% gayness... :laugh:

[danax6]

I'm going to leave you ****ers and obsessors of gay people aka heterophobes to put in 5 miles on my hometrainer. Toodles! :wavey:

[carrie721]

I'm going to leave you ****ers and obsessors of gay people aka heterophobes to put in 5 miles on my hometrainer. Toodles! :wavey:

have fun!

-the resident heterophobe

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

Same. Though I was raised without a mother. I turned out okay. :shrug:

Same here. :thumbsup:

[catinthedark]

back to sheryl.... here's what i was wondering. did she adopt a healthy, newborn, caucasian boy?

i hate to be crass, but those are hard to come by for regular everyday non-celebrity white folks. especially single ones.

i'm just saying.

[gldstwmn]

I am so happy for her. Congratulations to Sheryl. I hope we get to see some pictures of her and the little tyke soon. :)

[gldstwmn]

I dig Sheryl.
I love her music.
I think she's hot.
Good for her for fulfilling her need to raise a child.
She has the means to give this little boy everything money can buy.
Um, except a father.

On that count, I have to say, poor little boy.
:distress:

I believe she has a brother and her father is still alive. I doubt the child will lack a strong male influence in his life. I would much rather see it that way than in some dysfunctional parental relationship where the parents are together for the sake of the children.
It always slays me when people who don't even have children think they know how to write the book on how to raise them. :rolleyes:

[gldstwmn]

I'm going to leave you ****ers and obsessors of gay people aka heterophobes to put in 5 miles on my hometrainer. Toodles! :wavey:

Ha! That one's a keeper.

[sparky]

I believe she has a brother and her father is still alive. I doubt the child will lack a strong male influence in his life. I would much rather see it that way than in some dysfunctional parental relationship where the parents are together for the sake of the children.
It always slays me when people who don't even have children think they know how to write the book on how to raise them. :rolleyes:

Uncles and Grandparents aren't fathers.
It's always easy to compare anything to a horror story to make it look good, re: the dysfunctional parent schtick. I mean, I'd sure rather have a broken arm than 2 broken arms, and a tumor. So, I can survive a broken arm.
Broken arm, not so bad:lol:

I don't have children, no. But I was a little boy at one time. And I wouldn't have traded my Dad for 6 rich and famous mothers and all the extended family in the world. Being a parent...no experience. Having a dad, I did that for 32 years. Please, find me a man who will say his father was unimportant, and taught him things anyone could have. And no, guys with ****ty male parents who were drunks or abusers don't count.

It is just supremely ironic to me that she can give a kid every material thing on earth, but the one thing I think was most valuable to me as a kid, she didn't bother to do. The world is a funny place.

[WelshWitchPMD]

Let's hope that Sheryl doesn't turn into Joan Crawford just because the kid uses too much toilet paper.:laugh:

[sparky]

Let's hope that Sheryl doesn't turn into Joan Crawford just because the kid uses too much toilet paper.:laugh:

OMG. :blob2:

Keep the wire hangers outta the solar powered house too.

No. More. Incandescent. Bulbs. EVERRRRRR!

[gldstwmn]

Uncles and Grandparents aren't fathers..
Without a grandfather, you wouldn't have a father.

[sparky]

Without a grandfather, you wouldn't have a father.

Good God. Are you high?:laugh:

I wouldn't have a father without an Ovum either. But the Ovum isn't gonna live with my Mom, be there to help me with homework, etc.

[gldstwmn]

Good God. Are you high?:laugh:

I wouldn't have a father without an Ovum either. But the Ovum isn't gonna live with my Mom, be there to help me with homework, etc.

No. I'm not high at all. :shrug: My point was your grandfather was once a father himself and therefore should be considered a journeyman at the job. :)

Maybe you'd like to see Alec Baldwin as the adoptive father instead? :lol:

[sparky]

My point was your grandfather was once a father himself and therefore should be considered a journeyman at the job. :)


Possibly. But still not a Dad in the house.

Maybe you'd like to see Alec Baldwin as the adoptive father instead? :lol:

Oh, yeah, sure. Him or OJ.:woohoo:

[markolas]

Yeah, without a dad, who's to stop her from indoctrinating him into homosexuality and witchcraft?

[sparky]

Yeah, without a dad, who's to stop her from indoctrinating him into homosexuality and witchcraft?


Are you talking about Stevie or Sheryl?

[markolas]

Are you talking about Stevie or Sheryl?

Sheryl. But they're both women, so :shrug:

[sparky]

Sheryl. But they're both women, so :shrug:

Are you trying to be funny, or actually discuss the issue?

[markolas]

Are you trying to be funny, or actually discuss the issue?

I'm sorry, I must be starting to snap. I just can't believe some of the opinions people have posted here lately...I mean what do you say to someone who says that certain people are not human and should be killed? I'm waiting for someone to start a "Jews control the planet" thread.

[strandinthewind]

. . . I'm waiting for someone to start a "Jews control the planet" thread.

Well, they control the banks and/or the money :shrug:

:angel:

[markolas]

Well, they control the banks and/or the money :shrug:

:angel:

How did I *know* it was going to be you? :laugh:

[sparky]

I'm sorry, I must be starting to snap. I just can't believe some of the opinions people have posted here lately...I mean what do you say to someone who says that certain people are not human and should be killed? I'm waiting for someone to start a "Jews control the planet" thread.

People always have differing opinions. The interesting thing is the reason why they have them. Not a lot of exchange here lately on that front. It's more about sarcasm, hyperbole, and an instant dismissal of any idea that offers a challenge to the staus quo and beliefs held by the majority. Thus the exodus of individuals capable of maintaining a reasoned, well mannered discussion. And people with a sense of umor. Everything is stuck on a snarky bitch fest level, and rarely rises above that. Entertinning, I suppose, in small doses. But not very interesting.

But wait, don't Jews at least control the media? Them and the homos?
:lol:

[strandinthewind]

. . . But wait, don't Jews at least control the media? Them and the homos?
:lol:

Rupert M.'s a Jew :eek:

Now, the Rothchild's and the global economy - there's a topic worth discussing :nod:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayer_Amschel_Rothschild_family

[markolas]

People always have differing opinions.

It's not just that they have differing opinions, it's that they have "opinions" that are so dangerous and repugnant that there is literally no way to respond rationally. They aren't rational opinions. I'm not saying your opinion is on that level, but I just find so much of what is expressed here to be completely depraved. And on top of it, there seems to be a widespread belief that drinking and taking drugs is the way to cope with problems/stress...that really has nothing to do with this, but I just had to throw that in there. :D How do you have a well-mannered discussion with someone who is spouting ideas that are, frankly, bat-**** crazy?

[carrie721]

How do you have a well-mannered discussion with someone who is spouting ideas that are, frankly, bat-**** crazy?

i think sparky was doing a good job of it.

[sparky]

It's not just that they have differing opinions, it's that they have "opinions" that are so dangerous and repugnant that there is literally no way to respond rationally. They aren't rational opinions. I'm not saying your opinion is on that level, but I just find so much of what is expressed here to be completely depraved.

Hmm. Depraved? I missed those.

And on top of it, there seems to be a widespread belief that drinking and taking drugs is the way to cope with problems/stress...that really has nothing to do with this, but I just had to throw that in there. :D How do you have a well-mannered discussion with someone who is spouting ideas that are, frankly, bat-**** crazy?

Again, I kinda missed that too. I am sure plenty of people drink, and a few people here smoke pot sometimes. But I wasn't aware of many people who were outta control drug addicts. Or completely bat **** crazy - though some seem kind of comically out of touch with reality.

[markolas]

Hmm. Depraved? I missed those.

Well, that's kinda my point. If you don't consider them depraved, how can I have a discussion with you about it?

Again, I kinda missed that too. I am sure plenty of people drink, and a few people here smoke pot sometimes. But I wasn't aware of many people who were outta control drug addicts.

You don't have to be a crack whore with track marks on every visible part of your body to have a problem. I'm not even saying anyone here does. I'm just questioning that as people's first response to stress...to get drunk or high. Everyone does it like it's no big deal...people I work with act like getting trashed is the same as going to the movies. Or the grocery store. I think it's insane.

Or completely bat **** crazy - though some seem kind of comically out of touch with reality.

Same thing. :laugh:

[carrie721]

I'm not even saying anyone here does.

actually, i think you are. didn't you say in the other thread you were making fun of "us"?

I'm just questioning that as people's first response to stress...to get drunk or high. Everyone does it like it's no big deal...people I work with act like getting trashed is the same as going to the movies. Or the grocery store. I think it's insane.

some people also think it's insane when a person has to cut up his debit card to avoid going to mcdonald's. look in the ****ing mirror, dude.

[sparky]

Well, that's kinda my point. If you don't consider them depraved, how can I have a discussion with you about it?

Whether or not I consider them depraved doesn't make it impossible for me to discuss the subject. I really have no f*cking idea what you could possibly be referring to.

You don't have to be a crack whore with track marks on every visible part of your body to have a problem. I'm not even saying anyone here does. I'm just questioning that as people's first response to stress...to get drunk or high. Everyone does it like it's no big deal...people I work with act like getting trashed is the same as going to the movies. Or the grocery store. I think it's insane.

Just as many people stuff themselves with pizza and ice cream. Avoidance is avoidance. I'm not sure if high alcohol intake is less healthy than obesity. Or really even a different behavior when you get down to it.

Oh, I may have it...I guess there was a thread recently entitled, Who Wants To Have a Glass Of Wine? Or something like that. Is that what you're referring to? Maybe I'll check it out and see if that is the nexus of the depravity of which you speak.

[sparky]

Oh, so I looked at Pip's have a drink with me thread.

I thought it was kinda cute. If I had been enjoying a beer or something I would have happily said hello to everyone. They seemed to be having fun.

[carrie721]

Oh, so I looked at Pip's have a drink with me thread.

I thought it was kinda cute. If I had been enjoying a beer or something I would have happily said hello to everyone. They seemed to be having fun.

you've just been sucked into their warped ways of thinking :distress:

[strandinthewind]

I like to drink to excess and go to a strip club and/or hire a few hookers when I wanna avoid reality.

I also own a lawn jockey.

Lord Child - I think I hit it on all levels :laugh:

[carrie721]

I like to drink to excess and go to a strip club and/or hire a few hookers when I wanna avoid reality.

I also own a lawn jockey.

Lord Child - I think I hit it on all levels :laugh:

just knowing you online has pretty much ruled out any career in politics i may have been considering :wavey:

[sparky]

you've just been sucked into their warped ways of thinking :distress:


First you corrupt Deanna. Now me. Poor innocent little Sparky.

Ohh, the Sparkmanity!:lol:

[BlackWidow]

Still curious why Sheryl and Lance broke up...any theories?

[sparky]

I like to drink to excess and go to a strip club and/or hire a few hookers when I wanna avoid reality.

I also own a lawn jockey.

Lord Child - I think I hit it on all levels :laugh:

I knew you were a drunk whore and a racist the first time I read one of your posts. Which is how I knew we would get along.

Now go marry Sheryl Crow so that little bastard child has a proper Big Daddy.

[carrie721]

First you corrupt Deanna. Now me. Poor innocent little Sparky.

Ohh, the Sparkmanity!:lol:

i can't be stopped. hide your children!

[strandinthewind]

I knew you were a drunk whore and a racist the first time I read one of your posts. Which is how I knew we would get along.

Please do not leave out LARGE, LOUD, and BUSY :wavey:

Now go marry Sheryl Crow so that little bastard child has a proper Big Daddy.


Well, I've already got two old men's fortunes trying to support my vain, bigoted a$$ - - so, I might as well have her drop a few million my way :nod:

[sparky]

Please do not leave out LARGE, LOUD, and BUSY :wavey:

I thought they were implied.:)

Well, I've already got two old men's fortunes trying to support my vain, bigoted a$$ - - so, I might as well have her drop a few million my way :nod:

Hell yes. And take the old men with. Y'all can play catch with the kid or something.

[gldstwmn]

Yeah, without a dad, who's to stop her from indoctrinating him into homosexuality and witchcraft?

Another keeper. I'm going to have to write these down. :laugh:

[gldstwmn]

I'm sorry, I must be starting to snap. I just can't believe some of the opinions people have posted here lately...I mean what do you say to someone who says that certain people are not human and should be killed? I'm waiting for someone to start a "Jews control the planet" thread.

Time to break out the tinfoil hat:


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[gldstwmn]

But wait, don't Jews at least control the media? Them and the homos?
:lol:

That's a two hatter!

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[gldstwmn]

Rupert M.'s a Jew :eek:

Now, the Rothchild's and the global economy - there's a topic worth discussing :nod:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayer_Amschel_Rothschild_family

We did that one eons ago. I think someone had the anti defamation league after us for a while. :laugh:

[gldstwmn]

i think sparky was doing a good job of it.

Do you ever just shut the fukc up? I mean even five minutes would make you more tolerable.

[strandinthewind]

. . . Hell yes. And take the old men with. Y'all can play catch with the kid or something.

So I have to change THREE sets of diapers - no way :mad:

:wavey:

[gldstwmn]

Still curious why Sheryl and Lance broke up...any theories?

Poon hound with commitment issues. JMHO of course.

[strandinthewind]

We did that one ions ago. I think someone had the anti defamation league after us for a while. :laugh:

Well, they never caught us. However, I think they were there in that gas station's parking lot in Detroit :eek:

[gldstwmn]

Well, they never caught us. However, I think they were there in that gas station's parking lot in Detroit :eek:

That was the Rainbow Coalition, babe. :laugh:

[strandinthewind]

That was the Rainbow Coalition, babe. :laugh:


All's I know is we got out alive and I think I emptied my wallet :eek:

Did I actually oay them? I cannot remember.

I also remember begging Burger king to re open so I could:

1. Pee

and

2. Get a Diet coke

:cool:

[gldstwmn]

All's I know is we got out alive and I think I emptied my wallet :eek:

Did I actually oay them? I cannot remember.

I also remember begging Burger king to re open so I could:

1. Pee

and

2. Get a Diet coke

:cool:

There wasn't a temple within a hundred miles of that place.

[carrie721]

Do you ever just shut the fukc up? I mean even five minutes would make you more tolerable.

jesus christ, get off your ****ing high horse. i ignore your BS posts, you could at least afford me the same courtesy. fukc off.

[goldustsongbird]

Do you ever just shut the fukc up? I mean even five minutes would make you more tolerable.

Go away, Chris.

[Wild_Heart03]

Do you ever just shut the fukc up? I mean even five minutes would make you more tolerable.

a question you should be shooting towards yourself, sweetheart. :wavey:

[DrummerDeanna]

Do you ever just shut the fukc up? I mean even five minutes would make you more tolerable.

Says the woman with 5 back to back posts....there IS a multi-quote option you know...just letting you know ;)

[jannieC]

So I have to change THREE sets of diapers - no way :mad:

:wavey:

Omg, THIS cracked me up! :laugh:

[Kelly]

Do you ever just shut the fukc up? I mean even five minutes would make you more tolerable.


OMG.....coffee just spewed out my nose.




:lol:

[estranged4life]

Same. Though I was raised without a mother. I turned out okay. :shrug:

(After age 7) without a Father or a Father figure, I dont think I turned out as a f**k-up....Or, well MUCH of a f**k-up actually :lol:

I do relate to a female view point moreso because of the ^^^ situation.

[danax6]

Still curious why Sheryl and Lance broke up...any theories?Stevie didn't like him.

(After age 7) without a Father or a Father figure, I dont think I turned out as a f**k-up....Or, well MUCH of a f**k-up actually :lol:

I do relate to a female view point moreso because of the ^^^ situation.I have more guy friends than girl friends and I love sports and beer... :laugh:

[BlackWidow]

Poon hound with commitment issues. JMHO of course.

He is a poon dweller..from the old school...:nod:

[MacMan]

Still curious why Sheryl and Lance broke up...any theories?

My theory is he was taking enhancements to win the races he's won... I saw an interesting documentary on the news about the whole situation, the accusations against him and the whole doping issues surrounding the cycling world... He's denied ever taking drugs, but there seems to be a lot of evidence to the contrary... So I think she went into survival mode and got out!

[mikeschmike]

Stevie didn't like him.



I think the problem was that she liked him a little TOO much. Poon hound indeed.

Sheryl did a good thing by adopting. To me it doesn't seem to fit in with the fad of celebrity adoptions and I think this kid will get a nice rounded upbringing. Except with dimly lit rooms and a dirty ass. Meh, we all have our crosses to bear don't we?

[GateandGarden]

Do you ever just shut the fukc up? I mean even five minutes would make you more tolerable.Talking to yourself is unhealthy behavior.

[Serrart]

I dig Sheryl.
I love her music.
I think she's hot.
Good for her for fulfilling her need to raise a child.
She has the means to give this little boy everything money can buy.
Um, except a father.

On that count, I have to say, poor little boy.
:distress:

A message from the Fifties?

Congratulations to Sheryl Crow.

Romy

[sparky]

A message from the Fifties?

Romy

No. A message from someone who thinks fathers aren't irrelevant.

[catinthedark]

No. A message from someone who thinks fathers aren't irrelevant.

yeah. i have to say, i'm in your corner. i had a not very present father, and when he was present, he was usually yelling at my mother or at my sisters and me. i didn't know fathers were kind and supportive sources of love until i started hanging out at my friends' houses.

did i suffer for it? in a word, yes.

would i ever have a child on my own? never.

i look at my friends and how they trust and how they treat relationships and i know they all know how to do that because they had solid family units. i didn't trust men not to be mean, not to hurt, not to threaten to leave until... um... well, i'm still working on it. the guys i've dated/am dating have a hard time with me convincing me that they are not out to get me. and i think, until very recently, i always felt less at ease with guys because my father had always let me down.

i'm not saying i believe every single child who grows up without a father suffers from it. i would not make that generalization. but based on my own experience, i would not choose to bring up a child without a loving dad.

but that's just me.

[jannieC]

I believe that the *ideal* situation is for two loving parents to raise a child. That being said, I believe that single parents can (and very often do) raise wonderful children. I think if a person is financially stable (not necessarily wealthy), loving, and has a good support system, they can do an awesome job raising a child. I've seen so many bad parents; I'd much rather see one good parent than two crappy ones.

[michelle2677]

You don't have to be a crack whore with track marks on every visible part of your body to have a problem. I'm not even saying anyone here does. I'm just questioning that as people's first response to stress...to get drunk or high. Everyone does it like it's no big deal...people I work with act like getting trashed is the same as going to the movies. Or the grocery store. I think it's insane.




I can't tell if you are actually being serious, or joking here. I'll go with serious since it was my first instinct. I say this with as much respect as I possibly can-out of all the people on the ledge, you are probably one of the most negative, if not THE most. maybe it would do you some good to go have a few beers and cut loose.






but on topic. I think it is a very noble thing what sheryl did. Granted, she benefits as well, but still. It takes a big person to be able to adopt and love that child like it's your own. as far as a father figure-eh. I never had one and I turned out o.k. but turn it around a little bit and take my mother away-it's a pretty grim picture.

[sparky]

yeah. i have to say, i'm in your corner. i had a not very present father, and when he was present, he was usually yelling at my mother or at my sisters and me. i didn't know fathers were kind and supportive sources of love until i started hanging out at my friends' houses.

did i suffer for it? in a word, yes.

would i ever have a child on my own? never.

i look at my friends and how they trust and how they treat relationships and i know they all know how to do that because they had solid family units. i didn't trust men not to be mean, not to hurt, not to threaten to leave until... um... well, i'm still working on it. the guys i've dated/am dating have a hard time with me convincing me that they are not out to get me. and i think, until very recently, i always felt less at ease with guys because my father had always let me down.

i'm not saying i believe every single child who grows up without a father suffers from it. i would not make that generalization. but based on my own experience, i would not choose to bring up a child without a loving dad.

but that's just me.

That was interesting, honest, and thought provoking.

There are tons of crappy fathers out there. And mothers.

I think it is only when we are older that we can start to understand
the impact our parents had on us. It is fascinating how such seemingly
small things can alter our lives so immensely. Good and bad.
It is no small miracle that decent people come out of harsh situations,
and a real testament to human nature, ultimately.

If something happened and I ended up with a kid, I have no doubt that I
would just rise to the job and give it my all. But if it were something planned I just couldn't imagine doing it without a mother. No more than I can imagine not having had a mother. She taught me things my Dad never could have.
Things he probably never even thought about.:lol:

I wouldn't necessarily say that everyone suffers if they don't have a Dad. Or a Mom. But they do miss out on something.

[estranged4life]

I have more guy friends than girl friends and I love sports and beer... :laugh:

with guys, but I can easily get along with women - go figure.

[Rickypt]

I thought maybe Sheryl and Lance broke up because of their opposing politics.

[michelle2677]

Do you ever just shut the fukc up? I mean even five minutes would make you more tolerable.



you shutting up for...well, basically forever would make you more tolerable. But I don't get to make the decisions around here. And neither do you, anymore:laugh:

[sara1998]

I'm sure there is something missed being raised without one of two parents. I was raised with both parents who are still married. But here I am raising one on my own. (not my decision) She misses her father, and she's sometimes weird around men. She loves my father and my uncle very much so, but they are not around for her all the time. And my father is not the type to do much with her either. He didn't do a whole lot with me when I was a kid. I turned out okay, and I have no doubt that Sara will turn out fine too. My fear is that she's gonna grow up and not know how to act around men, or be afraid of them.

[strandinthewind]

I'm sure there is something missed being raised without one of two parents. I was raised with both parents who are still married. But here I am raising one on my own. (not my decision) She misses her father, and she's sometimes weird around men. She loves my father and my uncle very much so, but they are not around for her all the time. And my father is not the type to do much with her either. He didn't do a whole lot with me when I was a kid. I turned out okay, and I have no doubt that Sara will turn out fine too. My fear is that she's gonna grow up and not know how to act around men, or be afraid of them.

Does coeducational school help? Also, she will have male teachers and many kids look up to their teachers.

On edit (not all the post appeared) -- I guess when there is no other gender parent, the remaining or only parent has to improvise. Doesn't the Big Brother and Big Sister type thing address this issue?

Just a thought :shrug:

[Serrart]

No. A message from someone who thinks fathers aren't irrelevant.

Ça va sans dire, non?

Obviously, but the boxed concept of traditional family hasn't exploded enough to show that what is important is the quality of love, respect, protection, attention, delivered to a child?

It needs more than a man to make a father, and more than a woman to make a mother, IMO.

Romy

[BlackWidow]

I thought maybe Sheryl and Lance broke up because of their opposing politics.

..maybe...or is it because he was doing Matthew McConnaughy? :laugh:

[sparky]

It needs more than a man to make a father, and more than a woman to make a mother, IMO.


Clearly. And one of the reasons there are so many mere males and females
and a shortage of men and women is inadequate parenting. From both genders.

Though the shortage of men is far more severe.

[michelle2677]

i can dig that. maybe i place less value on the importance of a father figure because i was raised without one.



was your dad a horse's behind??


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[carrie721]

http://www.nose-n-toes.com/images/mamallama-e.jpg

[michelle2677]

http://www.apples4theteacher.com/images/fathers-day-books/because-your-daddy-loves-you.jpg

[foxyluva]

http://www.funnypictures.net.au/userimages/user1680_1162521353.JPG

[strandinthewind]

. . . is far more severe.

A - hummmm

The comparative of severe is severer :cool:

Also - I adore you :wavey:

[carrie721]

http://www.littleonesreadingresource.com/images/AreYouMyMother.gif

[foxyluva]

^^ :lol:

http://a5.vox.com/6a00c2251c8138604a00c22520e8ed8fdb-320pi

[michelle2677]

http://re3.mm-a5.yimg.com/image/3109920536

[foxyluva]

http://www.rightwingnews.com/graphics/demosquirrel.jpg

[michelle2677]

http://verbatim.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/book.jpg

[foxyluva]

^^hahaha :lol:

http://www.worldaheadpublishing.com/media/LUMB-o.gif

[goldustsongbird]

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/2150/cakecatip0.jpg

[michelle2677]

omg.



i couldn't even bring myself to post that, although i wanted to


:lol: :lol: :laugh:

[foxyluva]

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/2150/cakecatip0.jpg

That one always cracks me up :lol:

[estranged4life]

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/2150/cakecatip0.jpg

see both sides of humor, this is funny to me, but also sad since I had 2 older sisters who were adopted :shrug:

[foxyluva]

boo-****ing-hoo

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b233/jusabe/adopted-cake.jpg

[goldustsongbird]

My sister in law is adopted, and I'm still able to laugh. :shrug:

see both sides of humor, this is funny to me, but also sad since I had 2 older sisters who were adopted :shrug:

[JazmenFlowers]

you shutting up for...well, basically forever would make you more tolerable. But I don't get to make the decisions around here. And neither do you, anymore:laugh:
p00n3b.

high five.

[sara1998]

Does coeducational school help? Also, she will have male teachers and many kids look up to their teachers.

On edit (not all the post appeared) -- I guess when there is no other gender parent, the remaining or only parent has to improvise. Doesn't the Big Brother and Big Sister type thing address this issue?

Just a thought :shrug:

Sara had a male teacher last year who she loved to death. He was a wonderful teacher, and he still takes time out to go and talk to Sara and asks her to lunch every so often. It was his first year teaching, adn I think he found his calling in life. He is such a gentle and soft spoken man. I have a lot of respect for him.
I found out that he was a gay man when I ran into him and his partner at TGIFridays last winter, and he looked rather worried as his partner quickly walked away. That made me sad, because he was obviously worried that I would figure out his orientation and tell, but I didn't breathe a word.

[estranged4life]

My sister in law is adopted, and I'm still able to laugh. :shrug:

most in laws are an annoyance in the first place so I see the humor in that...:nod:

But hearing the BS from my sister's own voice about the life of adoption hell is another thing.




Oh well, who cares what the f**k i have to say anymore, "i'm just a convenience".

[strandinthewind]

Sara had a male teacher last year who she loved to death. He was a wonderful teacher, and he still takes time out to go and talk to Sara and asks her to lunch every so often. It was his first year teaching, adn I think he found his calling in life. He is such a gentle and soft spoken man. I have a lot of respect for him.
I found out that he was a gay man when I ran into him and his partner at TGIFridays last winter, and he looked rather worried as his partner quickly walked away. That made me sad, because he was obviously worried that I would figure out his orientation and tell, but I didn't breathe a word.

Lord Child - as if you would give a ****te about his gayness considering ya hang out with MOI :laugh:

Seriously, that is way sad that he has to hide like that. Just goes to show you that the world outside of some areas of big cities is harsh :mad:

But, I am glad that she had that male figure in her life!!!!!!!

The reason I asked was because I suppose it is hard as a single mother to find a man that can be trusted - and I do not mean trusted not to molest the child or anything like that - I mean that has the same moral system that the single parent does and/or they will not be an a$$hole in the end.

[BlackWidow]

Sara had a male teacher last year who she loved to death. He was a wonderful teacher, and he still takes time out to go and talk to Sara and asks her to lunch every so often. It was his first year teaching, adn I think he found his calling in life. He is such a gentle and soft spoken man. I have a lot of respect for him.
I found out that he was a gay man when I ran into him and his partner at TGIFridays last winter, and he looked rather worried as his partner quickly walked away. That made me sad, because he was obviously worried that I would figure out his orientation and tell, but I didn't breathe a word.

..that is sad.

[skcin]

i can dig that. maybe i place less value on the importance of a father figure because i was raised without one.



Yeah, but isn't that how you got all gay & stuff? :shrug:



:laugh:

[danax6]

I think the problem was that she liked him a little TOO much. Poon hound indeed.
You know, I had to look up what a 'poon hound' meant and my dictionary only gave me 'poon tang'. Needless to say, I was a little scared to look any further. :shocked: :laugh:

Yeah, but isn't that how you got all gay & stuff? :shrug:
Total indoctrination.

[carrie721]

Yeah, but isn't that how you got all gay & stuff? :shrug:



:laugh:

you oughta pay me for a setup like that. i knew you'd say that. :lol:

[gldstwmn]

I believe that the *ideal* situation is for two loving parents to raise a child. That being said, I believe that single parents can (and very often do) raise wonderful children. I think if a person is financially stable (not necessarily wealthy), loving, and has a good support system, they can do an awesome job raising a child. I've seen so many bad parents; I'd much rather see one good parent than two crappy ones.

Very well put. That was what I was so ineffectively trying to articulate a few posts back.

[gldstwmn]

Ça va sans dire, non?

Obviously, but the boxed concept of traditional family hasn't exploded enough to show that what is important is the quality of love, respect, protection, attention, delivered to a child?

It needs more than a man to make a father, and more than a woman to make a mother, IMO.

Romy

Beautifully put. :) :thumbsup:

[gldstwmn]

..maybe...or is it because he was doing Matthew McConnaughy? :laugh:

Haha...Matthew is a bit of a strange duck isn't he? He's wonderful to look at but I get the feeling he could be quite the chameleon.

[goldustsongbird]

most in laws are an annoyance in the first place so I see the humor in that...:nod:

But hearing the BS from my sister's own voice about the life of adoption hell is another thing.




Oh well, who cares what the f**k i have to say anymore, "i'm just a convenience".

What the hell?

[estranged4life]

What the hell?

to humor myself...k? :lol:

Brian "'Convenience' store clerk" j.

[BlackWidow]

Haha...Matthew is a bit of a strange duck isn't he? He's wonderful to look at but I get the feeling he could be quite the chameleon.

yes...i sense "secrets" there...:nod: