Airbrushed out!

[Gailh]

http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/03/24/094749.php

check this out. I've put this in the Christine forum even though it could be discussed in the main FM forum. (it might be for all I know - I haven't checked)

My point is did Christine not ever join the band? Or write the majority of the hits? Jesus!

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Gail

[HomerMcvie]

What an idiot! Not even mention the one who had the most hits. Dumbass!:mad: :lol:

[PenguinHead]

Not only does Christine McVie not exist, apparently Danny Kirwan doesn't either. According to the clueless writer, Bob Welch wrote "Child of Mine"!

[SortaSavageLike]

Greetings.

I am from the Soviet Ministry of Information. This woman you call "Christine McVie" was never in "Fleetwood Mac." If you persist in these notions I will be forced to report all of you to the Politburo. Farewell, Comrades!

Boris the Enforcer.

[Gailh]

Greetings.

I am from the Soviet Ministry of Information. This woman you call "Christine McVie" was never in "Fleetwood Mac." If you persist in these notions I will be forced to report all of you to the Politburo. Farewell, Comrades!

Boris the Enforcer.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Dear Boris (sir)

Please could you tell me who wrote the majority of the hits by the band we call Fleetwood Mac?

Was it perhaps the one we call Stevie Buckingham or the one we call Lindsey Nicks?

Gail

[HomerMcvie]

Stevie Buckingham or the one we call Lindsey Nicks?

They both act like ladies.

[macfan 57]

I have no idea who Glen Boyd is. Hopefully, he'll remain unknown. Of course, it's ridiculous that Christine isn't even mentioned. Mick & John are only mentioned once in passing. I also was not aware that Bob Welch wrote all 10 songs on Bare Trees. This guy is an idiot.

[macfan 57]

They both act like ladies.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[SortaSavageLike]

Was it perhaps the one we call Stevie Buckingham or the one we call Lindsey Nicks?


Nyet! It was my that most glorious example of Soviet womanhood, Natalya Predoro of Leningrad! Unfortunately, we had her shot two years ago for mentioning Thomas Jefferson in one of her diaries!

Boris the Enforcer.

[goldustsongbird]

My point is did Christine not ever join the band? Or write the majority of the hits? Jesus!

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Gail

As far as I know, Jesus isn't mentioned in any of the writing credits. ;)

[Gailh]

As far as I know, Jesus isn't mentioned in any of the writing credits. ;)

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

If he had he probably wouldn't have got a mention either :laugh:

Gail

[Gailh]

They both act like ladies.

Perhaps all that testosterone is just a smokescreen!

Gail

[HomerMcvie]

Perhaps all that testosterone is just a smokescreen!

Gail

You watch the Tusk doc, and tell me he's not the most effeminate straight man you've ever seen! He's pure sissy!:p

[Little Nicki]

He's not effeminate, he's just a little freak.

[SteveMacD]

Did Christine ever officially join the band? I've speculated about this before, but according to the early press releases, she was just a guest, helping fill out the set. Then Jeremy left. In all that craziness, did they ever actually say "well, Christine, you're now officially a member of Fleetwood Mac" or did it just sort of happen or were those press releases just plain wrong?

To be sure, I'm not questioning whether or not she was a member of the band. I'm just asking if she ever formally joined the band. My hunch is it that her membership in Fleetwood Mac just sort of happened.

[macfan 57]

Did Christine ever officially join the band? I've speculated about this before, but according to the early press releases, she was just a guest, helping fill out the set. Then Jeremy left. In all that craziness, did they ever actually say "well, Christine, you're now officially a member of Fleetwood Mac" or did it just sort of happen or were those press releases just plain wrong?

To be sure, I'm not questioning whether or not she was a member of the band. I'm just asking if she ever formally joined the band. My hunch is it that her membership in Fleetwood Mac just sort of happened.

It's not clear from those early press releases whether she was just joining the band to help out their live show or to 100% join the band. However, I have several interviews from just after their initial tour ended(around Oct./Nov. 1970). And, Chris & Jeremy both talked about Chris writing songs for their new album. There was also the problem of her record label. She had been signed with Blue Horizon while FM was with Warner Brothers. That may have had something to do why those early press releases were so murky.

[chiliD]

As far as I know, Jesus isn't mentioned in any of the writing credits. ;)

According to Glen Boyd, Jesus got co-write credits for all of Peter Green's In The Skies album. :shrug:

[Gailh]

If you check out the comments section after the article Mr Boyd is getting a little irritated with people (me) mentioning the lack of Christine in his article.

Good! My work here is done. :laugh:

Gail

[macfan 57]

If you check out the comments section after the article Mr Boyd is getting a little irritated with people (me) mentioning the lack of Christine in his article.

Good! My work here is done. :laugh:

Gail

Good job, Gail.:thumbsup: He deserves to be irritated.:laugh:

[aleuzzi]

I wrote in and told him that if he was willing to correct the information about Bob Welch writing the ten songs on Bare Trees (???) then why not rework Christine into the article...

I noticed a few had mentioned (with due indignation) the omission and that his responses were bizarrely defensive. Rather than saying "Oh, okay, I'll fix it, he says "enough already." What an ass. He says he "loves her stuff" but clearly he does not. he says his article focuses on the guitarists and lead singers...but isn't CHRIS a lead singer.

Further proof that blogwriting is often useless.

[Gailh]

I wrote in and told him that if he was willing to correct the information about Bob Welch writing the ten songs on Bare Trees (???) then why not rework Christine into the article...

I noticed a few had mentioned (with due indignation) the omission and that his responses were bizarrely defensive. Rather than saying "Oh, okay, I'll fix it, he says "enough already." What an ass. He says he "loves her stuff" but clearly he does not. he says his article focuses on the guitarists and lead singers...but isn't CHRIS a lead singer.

Further proof that blogwriting is often useless.

I wonder when he will respond to you?

Gail

[aleuzzi]

I wonder when he will respond to you?

Gail


doubt he will...

[Ulpian]

I hate that all this focus on Fleetwood Mac has become revisionist of late. When the reissues cam out, and SYW I suppose, people started to re-evaluate their stuff. It seems that if you want to write an evaluation of the Mac, now, for one of these coffee-table semi-intellectual mags and be taken seriously you need to basically omit Christine because she was too 'sugary' or something. :shrug:

[Gailh]

I hate that all this focus on Fleetwood Mac has become revisionist of late. When the reissues cam out, and SYW I suppose, people started to re-evaluate their stuff. It seems that if you want to write an evaluation of the Mac, now, for one of these coffee-table semi-intellectual mags and be taken seriously you need to basically omit Christine because she was too 'sugary' or something. :shrug:

I think there could be a danger of that but if anyone wants to be taken seriously as a journalist then they need to get their facts straight. I personally would ignore anyone's opinion if they cant even get some basic facts right.

Surely any evaluation of FM MUST include Christine. Even if they don't like her music.

that's why I called this thread Airbrushed Out. It just reminded me of the old Soviet regimes where leaders were airbrushed out of photos when they fell out of favour (but Boris would know more about this than me :lol: )

Gail

[macfan 57]

Christine will never be ignored by legitimate critics & journalists. She was a HUGE part of FM when they were in their prime back in the 1970's. If anything, when this is all over, the later years of FM will probably be "airbrushed" out. Why do you think all of these greatest albums lists include Rumours & the White Album? She dominated both albums. SYW will be forgotten, as it should be in my opinion.

[Gailh]

Christine will never be ignored by legitimate critics & journalists. She was a HUGE part of FM when they were in their prime back in the 1970's. If anything, when this is all over, the later years of FM will probably be "airbrushed" out. Why do you think all of these greatest albums lists include Rumours & the White Album? She dominated both albums. SYW will be forgotten, as it should be in my opinion.

I think when the history of FM is written whatever anyone's opnion of the music the most successful lineups i.e. the ones that shifted the most records will be what's remembered.

So the Peter Green band of the late sixties and the Rumours lineup of the seventies and eighties will be what people concentrate on. There are obviously other incarnations of the band and while Mick still breathes there'll be a band called Fleetwood Mac but I can't see them ever having such a high profile as they have in the past.

I don't actually dislike SYW (well apart from Come and Murrow) other than for me it is too long. I don't think it's their best album but I don't thinks it's the worst either. I would have loved Christine to have been on it - some of the ITM songs would have sounded great.

Gail

[aleuzzi]

Christine will never be ignored by legitimate critics & journalists. She was a HUGE part of FM when they were in their prime back in the 1970's. If anything, when this is all over, the later years of FM will probably be "airbrushed" out. Why do you think all of these greatest albums lists include Rumours & the White Album? She dominated both albums. SYW will be forgotten, as it should be in my opinion.

Of course you are correct, Mary Anne--except for Say You Will, which is a very good record. It would have been outstanding with Chris, but in terms of quality it is, in my opinion, miles above Behind the Mask and Time.

[DavidMn]

I find it offensive that this "Critic" could neglect someone who contributed over 25 years of her life to Fleetwood Mac.:mad:

[SteveMacD]

Of course you are correct, Mary Anne--except for Say You Will, which is a very good record. It would have been outstanding with Chris, but in terms of quality it is, in my opinion, miles above Behind the Mask and Time.

Yeah, but really, it SHOULD have been miles above those albums. Lindsey spent like eight years on most, if not all, of his songs, and a few of the Stevie songs were at least 20 years old (specifically "Goodbye Baby" and "Smile At You," but I wouldn't be shocked if there were others). By contrast, they spent maybe three years total on BTM and "Time."

The bottom line is that Fleetwood Mac hasn't done a great album since "Tusk." There, I said it. They've had good albums, but "Tusk" was the last one that didn't have a bad song on it. The rest have enough bad ones to make a full length "Worst Of" album.

[SortaSavageLike]

They've had good albums, but "Tusk" was the last one that didn't have a bad song on it. The rest have enough bad ones to make a full length "Worst Of" album.

Great idea. Instead of another Greatest Hits album, maybe they should release Fleetwood Mac's Most Acquired Tastes?

[SteveMacD]

Great idea. Instead of another Greatest Hits album, maybe they should release Fleetwood Mac's Most Acquired Tastes?

It's the type of "outside the box" thinking in which I pride myself. And, I'd be first in line to buy this freak show album!

[macfan 57]

The bottom line is that Fleetwood Mac hasn't done a great album since "Tusk." There, I said it. They've had good albums, but "Tusk" was the last one that didn't have a bad song on it. The rest have enough bad ones to make a full length "Worst Of" album.

I totally agree. They were in their prime in the 1970's. The only thing I could fault from their 70's stuff are those 2 awful Dave Walker songs on Penguin. I can't honestly say that I dislike anything else from any of their albums from Kiln House through Tusk. After Tusk, there's also quite a bit of stuff that I dislike, except for Christine's songs. It really was Christine that kept me interested in Fleetwood Mac after Tusk. There are some great songs, but no great albums after Tusk, in my opinion.

[Gailh]

The bottom line is that Fleetwood Mac hasn't done a great album since "Tusk." There, I said it. They've had good albums, but "Tusk" was the last one that didn't have a bad song on it.

I was just about to disagree with you and then I thought hang on, actually I can't think of one.

Mirage was OK. I do Like Tango in the Night but I wouldn't call it great because Stevie was missing in action. Behind the Mask was OK and Time just didn't sound like a real band. So yeah Tusk was the last great album.

Blimey! Who'd have thought it.

Gail

[Gailh]

I see Mr Boyd is getting more irritated by the minute.

:thumbsup:

Gail

[macfan 57]

I see Mr Boyd is getting more irritated by the minute.

:thumbsup:

Gail

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

It doesn't sound like he's going to take aleuzzi's suggestion about adding Christine to his article.;)

[Gailh]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

It doesn't sound like he's going to take aleuzzi's suggestion about adding Christine to his article.;)


No it looks like he's completely ignored it

Gail

[BTFLCHLD]

very funny. seems he is seeking more with his "next?"

[aleuzzi]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

It doesn't sound like he's going to take aleuzzi's suggestion about adding Christine to his article.;)

why would he? I've actually sugested he insert a sentence or two. He clearly wants positive feedback only--the worst kind of journalist.

[aleuzzi]

Hey guys, thought you might like my casual reminder to "Glen":

"You have yet to "correct" the complete absence of Christine McVie in your article, hardly an "insignificant innacuracy."

It's as bad forgetting Graham Nash in a review of Crosby Stills and Nash. Until you've corrected this, your article won't hold up as accurate or responsible journalism. Sorry."

[macfan 57]

Hey guys, thought you might like my casual reminder to "Glen":

"You have yet to "correct" the complete absence of Christine McVie in your article, hardly an "insignificant innacuracy."

It's as bad forgetting Graham Nash in a review of Crosby Stills and Nash. Until you've corrected this, your article won't hold up as accurate or responsible journalism. Sorry."

:thumbsup:

I'll bet after this article, he'll never forget Christine McVie ever again.:D

[Nicks Fan]

Yeah, but really, it SHOULD have been miles above those albums. Lindsey spent like eight years on most, if not all, of his songs, and a few of the Stevie songs were at least 20 years old (specifically "Goodbye Baby" and "Smile At You," but I wouldn't be shocked if there were others). By contrast, they spent maybe three years total on BTM and "Time."

The bottom line is that Fleetwood Mac hasn't done a great album since "Tusk." There, I said it. They've had good albums, but "Tusk" was the last one that didn't have a bad song on it. The rest have enough bad ones to make a full length "Worst Of" album.

While agree the last great mac album was Tusk. I have to disagree that Tusk didn't have any bad songs on it. Not That Funny is awful !!!

Matt

[aleuzzi]

While agree the last great mac album was Tusk. I have to disagree that Tusk didn't have any bad songs on it. Not That Funny is awful !!!

Matt



I love Not That Funny! It's one of my all-time favorite Buckingham songs. But then, most every Lindsey song on Tusk receives a love or hate reaction...I can't imagine any of them eliciting lukewarm responses.

[macfan 57]

I like the album version of "Not That Funny", but I didn't like it live.

[Gailh]

I like the album version of "Not That Funny", but I didn't like it live.

I'm the exact opposite.

Isn't that weird?

Gail

[macfan 57]

I'm the exact opposite.

Isn't that weird?

Gail

Yes, it is weird.:D I think there was too much Lindsey testosterone;) during their live versions, especially the Mirage & Dance tour versions.

[Gailh]

I think Mr Boyd has realised the error of his ways.

He says he didn't realise how "vocal her fan base was"

I'm so proud

Gail

[macfan 57]

I think Mr Boyd has realised the error of his ways.

He says he didn't realise how "vocal her fan base was"

I'm so proud

Gail

You should be proud.:thumbsup: We have to stick up for Christine. Maybe he didn't realize that she even had a fan base, let alone a "vocal fan base".

[Gailh]

Maybe he didn't realize that she even had a fan base, let alone a "vocal fan base".


He does now:lol:

Gail

[aleuzzi]

Last week , I wrote this to Mr. Boyd:

You have yet to "correct" the complete absence of Christine McVie in your article, hardly an "insignificant innacuracy."

It's as bad forgetting Graham Nash in a review of Crosby Stills and Nash. Until you've corrected this, your article won't hold up as accurate or responsible journalism. Sorry.


His defense is:


#27 — March 31, 2007 @ 21:04PM — Glen Boyd [URL]
I've gotten no shortage of grief about leaving the former Christine Perfect out of this article -- as you no doubt can see by the comments here.

My explanation for this is simply that I wanted to focus on the various guitarists who played in the band before FM "hit it big" with Rumours. I certainly do recognize Christine's role and her significance to Fleetwood Mac though, both than and now. I guess I just never realized how, umm "vocal" her fan base is. Trust me, should I ever revisit this subject, Christine will not be left out again. As it is, the article I wrote just is what it is. Hopefully I imparted some sense of the band's history, with or without the venerable Ms. Christine. Thanx for the comment.

-Glen


Note: he refuses to add her in the article. What stubborness at the expense of accuracy!

[Little Nicki]

But then, most every Lindsey song on Tusk receives a love or hate reaction...I can't imagine any of them eliciting lukewarm responses.

Walk a Thin Line and That's All For Everyone are extremely blah to me. I certainly don't hate them, but I try to avoid them whenever possible.