the "I dont know if this has been posted yet but...." thread

[irishgrl]

Ok, I know the title is a bit unconventional, but Im a bit curious and Im to effin lazy to look thru more than the first page..........

has anyone commented on the fracas regarding Rove/Gonzales/Miers Prosecutor firings?

Paula?

Chris? Jason?

any thots ppl??

if this is a duplicate could some kindhearted soul please move this or lock it and let it die a peaceful death with a link to the actual FIRST thread? Pleez?

Muchos Gracias.

[strandinthewind]

The Pres. can fire any US Atty he wants and at any time he wants. This is because they are political appointments. Clinton, I believe, got rid of them all when he took office. W got rid of most, but kept a few from the Clinton era. The main reason for this is to reward political allies. Similarly, the new appointees are people who will carry forth the party in power's agenda on abortion, gays, etc. So, I have no issue with W getting rod of them in that regard. They all do it under the "to the victor belongs the spoils" doctrine.

In this case, it seems the US Atty's were fired because they were not investigating certain political scandals to the favor of the R's almost exlusively. Moreover, it appears they were told to do this by the DOJ and likely Rove. This is in direct violation of the US Atty's obligation to prosecute the law evenly.

In sum, heads are likely to roll on this. In the end though, the public probably could care a less as this is not salacious enough - pathetic if you think about it.

[irishgrl]

The Pres. can fire any US Atty he wants and at any time he wants. This is because they are political appointments. Clinton, I believe, got rid of them all when he took office. W got rid of most, but kept a few from the Clinton era. The main reason for this is to reward political allies. Similarly, the new appointees are people who will carry forth the party in power's agenda on abortion, gays, etc. So, I have no issue with W getting rod of them in that regard. They all do it under the "to the victor belongs the spoils" doctrine.

In this case, it seems the US Atty's were fired because they were not investigating certain political scandals to the favor of the R's almost exlusively. Moreover, it appears they were told to do this by the DOJ and likely Rove. This is in direct violation of the US Atty's obligation to prosecute the law evenly.

In sum, heads are likely to roll on this. In the end though, the public probably could care a less as this is not salacious enough - pathetic if you think about it.


ah, thats where you're wrong Jason me boyo....the public DOES care. and the more smell and corruption that we as a Nation uncover regarding Rove/Bush/et al, the closer we are to impeaching the bastard! or at least smearing him with a tar brush so badly his legacy will forever be the La Brea Tar Pits. Oh Yes.

[gldstwmn]

Jason is right but this is stinky politcally. Clinton did it. I know the haters are going to say that. This is just so typical of this administration with their secrecy, hatred and spying that I just don't know what to say anymore. :( Plus, the majority of the Chit Chat forum has turned into a navel gazing fest. :sorry: It's not my thing but this forum is about variety so... It's alright, alright.

[irishgrl]

Jason is right but this is stinky politcally. Clinton did it. I know the haters are going to say that. This is just so typical of this administration with their secrecy, hatred and spying that I just don't know what to say anymore. :( Plus, the majority of the Chit Chat forum has turned into a navel gazing fest. :sorry: It's not my thing but this forum is about variety so... It's alright, alright.

WAIT! I could care less about navel gazing. What I DO care about however is that our country get back on the RIGHT track. That is, a track that isnt hell bent on us interferring in wars and world areas where we dont belong. does that make me a bad person? HELL NO. does that make me politically aware, unfortunately for the ASSWIPES that STOLE the last two elections........YES.
GET OVER IT. The Country is Waking UP! YES!

[estranged4life]

The Country is Waking UP! YES!

in the Republican haven known as Oklahoma wakes up then I will know the whole country has...Sadly it hasnt happened yet, Deb & myself are in the minor-minor-minority however.

http://www.angelfire.com/music3/rhiannon/Post-Bush.jpg

[irishgrl]

in the Republican haven known as Oklahoma wakes up then I will know the whole country has...Sadly it hasnt happened yet, Deb & myself are in the minor-minor-minority however.

http://www.angelfire.com/music3/rhiannon/Post-Bush.jpg

TSK. Brian, DONT LISTEN TO THEIR BULL****!!!!! THATS WHAT THEY WANT!!!!!

[estranged4life]

TSK. Brian, DONT LISTEN TO THEIR BULL****!!!!! THATS WHAT THEY WANT!!!!!

to their BS, I know how full of caca Shrub-furher and company is. Deb is a lifelong Democrat and moi is a somewhat slight-to-the-left Independent - those right-wing morons cant 'hoodwink' us (Go rent "Hoodwinked", a recommended animated movie that is funny as hell.)




On a related note, Barack Obama is coming to OKC on Monday...Cool, another Democrat candidate (Besides Edwards) that actually knows we're a state and not the "Indian Territory". Hell, even Al Gore was just here a week or so ago at O-Who, I meant OU - so he losses points for that (The official state college of the state of Oklahoma is Oklahoma St. (YES!!!!), not O-Who...Ya gain points for OSU, lose 'em for O-Who.)

Brian "Shatner/the Fonz in 2008" j.

[irishgrl]

to their BS, I know how full of caca Shrub-furher and company is. Deb is a lifelong Democrat and moi is a somewhat slight-to-the-left Independent - those right-wing morons cant 'hoodwink' us (Go rent "Hoodwinked", a recommended animated movie that is funny as hell.)




On a related note, Barack Obama is coming to OKC on Monday...Cool, another Democrat candidate (Besides Edwards) that actually knows we're a state and not the "Indian Territory". Hell, even Al Gore was just here a week or so ago at O-Who, I meant OU - so he losses points for that (The official state college of the state of Oklahoma is Oklahoma St. (YES!!!!), not O-Who...Ya gain points for OSU, lose 'em for O-Who.)

Brian "Shatner/the Fonz in 2008" j.


Sorry, bubba: No Dissing Shatner in MY thread. Shatner is GOD.

[estranged4life]

Sorry, bubba: No Dissing Shatner in MY thread. Shatner is GOD.

^^^^^
there's a thread about ones belief in God already - Didnt see Shatner mentioned in it :lol:

[irishgrl]

^^^^^
there's a thread about ones belief in God already - Didnt see Shatner mentioned in it :lol:
that's because the plebians didnt canvass the previous material. not my fault!

oh well, the HELP these days!!!!

[gldstwmn]

WAIT! I could care less about navel gazing.

Nor could I dear. But I have little interst in telling people what I"m eating, thinking, wearing, ****ting, because I'm kind of a very private person and answering those questions is just not my thing. However variety is the spice of the Chit Chat board. I just crave an intelligent discussion between myself, Amber, Towie, Strand, Suze, Jazmen, Sparky, Towie, BTFLCHLD and the like. :shrug: I guess that makes me bad. :shrug:

[DeadliestPoison]

I just crave an intelligent discussion between myself, Amber, tl;dr, BTFLCHLD and the like.
Oh, wow, have fun with that one.

[strandinthewind]

ah, thats where you're wrong Jason me boyo....the public DOES care. and the more smell and corruption that we as a Nation uncover regarding Rove/Bush/et al, the closer we are to impeaching the bastard! or at least smearing him with a tar brush so badly his legacy will forever be the La Brea Tar Pits. Oh Yes.

They might care for a second. But, they will never impeach him - at least not over this or Iraq, where the D's went along willingly and to save their collective political asses - or this, which mostly is about rich white men in a complex legal matter.

As for his legacy, who cares. RR died beloved by most :shrug:

[strandinthewind]

WAIT! I could care less about navel gazing. What I DO care about however is that our country get back on the RIGHT track. That is, a track that isnt hell bent on us interferring in wars and world areas where we dont belong. does that make me a bad person? HELL NO. does that make me politically aware, unfortunately for the ASSWIPES that STOLE the last two elections........YES.
GET OVER IT. The Country is Waking UP! YES!

It just amuses me that you think the D's would do any better, which you imply. Again, the D's went willingly along with the war in Iraq. Currently, most support their votes in that regard :shrug:

The D's and R's were both wrong on this one and having the D's in power hardly would have changed that to any significant degree. just ask Bill Clinton, who still supports the reasons for invasion :wavey:

[strandinthewind]

. . . Clinton did it. I know the haters are going to say that . . . .

It is not just Clinton - they all change these political appointments when they get elected - though it takes more time in some cases because some appointments are for longer periods of time.

That is not really the issue here though. In fact, it is irrelevant to this issue, which is "Whether these US Atty's were removed for failing to prosecute a vaild matter?" For example, did the WH tell them to let some scandals involving Republicans die on the vine. If so, that is obstruction of justice - ironic isn't it.

[markolas]

RR died beloved by most :shrug:

Too bad the mf is in hell right now with JP II. :D

[Für Elise]

It just amuses me that you think the D's would do any better, which you imply. Again, the D's went willingly along with the war in Iraq. Currently, most support their votes in that regard :shrug:

The D's and R's were both wrong on this one and having the D's in power hardly would have changed that to any significant degree. just ask Bill Clinton, who still supports the reasons for invasion :wavey:
course he does, he was attacking them constantly during his time as president. I dont get the republican or democrat thing. they both suck. clinton was a ****tard bombing them constantly, bush is much much more of one of course but if clinton is christian then he long ago gave up his place in heaven cause he's a mass murderer in his own right.

but seeing as the whole thing has come to a far far worse situation under bush the only chance for any slight improvement is with the democrats, knowing now what a disaster the last few years have been.


They might care for a second. But, they will never impeach him - at least not over this or Iraq, where the D's went along willingly and to save their collective political asses - or this, which mostly is about rich white men in a complex legal matter.

As for his legacy, who cares. RR died beloved by most :shrug:
thats not really relevant though is it. everyone loves somebody when they die. everyone hates bush but if he died tomorrow people would conveniently forget everything he did and honour him. being dead almost guarantees being loved.

[gldstwmn]

Oh, wow, have fun with that one.

plz bb i will

[irishgrl]

plz bb i will

does "bb" stand for Beelzebub? (is that how you spell it?)

also, Jason, I get it that past presidents have removed previous appointees, but this blatant dismissal of only Democratic Attorneys is such an obvious political hatchet job that I personally am glad to see that the Bushies are taking heat for this. The more they are exposed for the evil-doers that they are, the better I like it.

[estranged4life]

Ya know, I had someone online ask me to name "one positive that I can attributed to Bush being in office".

That was simple - "The lyrical content of metal music in general has gone back to the anti-government views of late 80's/early 90's thrash metal - which was ALL anti-Reagan, anti-Bush, anti-War."