Lindsey has complimented Christine!

[profjohn]

I thought you might like to know that Lindsey said something nice about Christine in an interview published on PalmBeachCoast.com on March 7, 2007:

Q: It's interesting that Under the Skin was recorded while on your last tour with Fleetwood Mac. Did you have to constantly put yourself in a different head space between the band work and working on the album, or did it all flow together?
A: It all flows together. That show was also a lot of fun for me, again, because I had had a lot of changes in my life. (On the tour) we missed Christine (McVie, who left the band) a great deal.

I wonder if he has ever told her that.

[Gailh]

I thought you might like to know that Lindsey said something nice about Christine in an interview published on PalmBeachCoast.com on March 7, 2007:

Q: It's interesting that Under the Skin was recorded while on your last tour with Fleetwood Mac. Did you have to constantly put yourself in a different head space between the band work and working on the album, or did it all flow together?
A: It all flows together. That show was also a lot of fun for me, again, because I had had a lot of changes in my life. (On the tour) we missed Christine (McVie, who left the band) a great deal.

I wonder if he has ever told her that.

Blimey! that's a turn up.

I thought her songs didn't work too well live or were not emotionally incisive

Gail

Gail

[aleuzzi]

Honk my hooter. Sounds like he has a heart after all...

[macfan 57]

Wait a minute.;)

Here's what he said in that interview after he said they missed her a great deal.

"But since there was space, with just two writers up there, there was room to flex my muscles. There was a little more testosterone up on stage, if you will. That translated into being a little more myself in context of me."

He's still on that testosterone kick.:laugh:

[Gailh]

Wait a minute.;)

Here's what he said in that interview after he said they missed her a great deal.

"But since there was space, with just two writers up there, there was room to flex my muscles. There was a little more testosterone up on stage, if you will. That translated into being a little more myself in context of me."

He's still on that testosterone kick.:laugh:

He doesn't half rattle on about testosterone.

"a little more myself in context of me" - what?

Gail

[aleuzzi]

"That translated into being a little more myself in context of me"

wtf?

This is self-absorption squared. "if you will."

[SortaSavageLike]

Yes, Lindsey, the classy English tea lady was sapping your man-juice. :rolleyes:

[pontiac6k]

Why does Lindsey always try to sound all smart and use big words that he doesn't really know the meaning of? Learn to write good lyrics like Chris can, and use the English language properly, then we'll chat, k Linds?

[strandinthewind]

I never took it as he dissed her during SYW. I mean they all talked about her absence and the reasons for it, but he was never like thank goodness that talentless slag is gone, etc. I have always gotten the impression her liked her and respected her talent.

[DESTINYRU!ES]

I mean they all talked about her absence and the reasons for it...


I don't know, I was never really satisfied with what the band members said were her reasons for moving on! Lindsey and Mick got defensive and John and Stevie made it her problem. I still don't understand why Chris left.

From the SYW Documentary:
Mick: Like anyone else she deserves to do what she wants, you know...etc
Lindsey: Chris is somewhere over in England, she's just not part of this etc.
Stevie: If there was a chance she would come back we would have waited!
John: If she were here it would cast a terrible poll over this...I wish I weren't here vibe!

Ok So none of those are the reasons she dropped out. They are all explanations of her not being there. John gave the best reason, that she would be unhappy if she were there, but why? No one ever said. :shrug:

[jbrownsjr]

Yes, Lindsey, the classy English tea lady was sapping your man-juice. :rolleyes:

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[jbrownsjr]

I don't know, I was never really satisfied with what the band members said were her reasons for moving on! Lindsey and Mick got defensive and John and Stevie made it her problem. I still don't understand why Chris left.

From the SYW Documentary:
Mick: Like anyone else she deserves to do what she wants, you know...etc
Lindsey: Chris is somewhere over in England, she's just not part of this etc.
Stevie: If there was a chance she would come back we would have waited!
John: If she were here it would cast a terrible poll over this...I wish I weren't here vibe!

Ok So none of those are the reasons she dropped out. They are all explanations of her not being there. John gave the best reason, that she would be unhappy if she were there, but why? No one ever said. :shrug:


because she was tired of being in Fleetwood Mac... not really personal... just needed to retire... physically and mentally from the band...

nothing worse than having someone do something that doesn't want to...

bad vibes for sure

[JunkFoodGenius]

Am I missing something? I always thought Lindsey and Christine were cool with each other? Or he knew she could kick his ass so he gave her some respect?

[Gailh]

Am I missing something? I always thought Lindsey and Christine were cool with each other? Or he knew she could kick his ass so he gave her some respect?


I think there was always a great of mutual respect it's just that Lindsey has been quoted as saying some disrespectful things about Chris.

Her songs don't work too well live and they are not emotionally incisive.

And he does go on just a bit too much about the extra freedom he now has.

I think he has been defensive about Chris's absence and he he over compensated on SYW. All of which leads me to believe that deep down he knows how much they miss her, he just can't bring himself to say it.

Gail

[HomerMcvie]

^^^ I was talking to an older lady tonight(while Dixie Chick's Landslide was playing on the jukebox). She told me that she saw SYW in Indy, and how much they were lacking, without Chris. "It's just not the same, without her". Indeed.

No prompting on my part, whatsoever.

[macfan 57]

I think he has been defensive about Chris's absence and he he over compensated on SYW. All of which leads me to believe that deep down he knows how much they miss her, he just can't bring himself to say it.

Gail

There you go.:nod: His ego just won't let him admit just how vital she was to Fleetwood Mac.

Chris was 1/3 of the rhythm section & 1/3 of the front line. Both GREATLY suffer without her, in my opinion.

[macfan 57]

Why does Lindsey always try to sound all smart and use big words that he doesn't really know the meaning of? Learn to write good lyrics like Chris can, and use the English language properly, then we'll chat, k Linds?

I can't imagine he talks like this in real everyday life. I can't imagine anyone talking like this normally.

[macfan 57]

From the SYW Documentary:
Mick: Like anyone else she deserves to do what she wants, you know...etc
Lindsey: Chris is somewhere over in England, she's just not part of this etc.
Stevie: If there was a chance she would come back we would have waited!
John: If she were here it would cast a terrible poll over this...I wish I weren't here vibe!



I've never seen any SYW documentary, but John's comment shocks me.:shocked:

[macfan 57]

^^^ I was talking to an older lady tonight(while Dixie Chick's Landslide was playing on the jukebox). She told me that she saw SYW in Indy, and how much they were lacking, without Chris. "It's just not the same, without her". Indeed.

No prompting on my part, whatsoever.

That's a very, smart lady.:thumbsup: I assume that you didn't argue with her.;)

[carrie721]

I've never seen any SYW documentary, but John's comment shocks me.:shocked:

my take on that is that he didn't mean that in a negative way, just that he is glad she's doing what makes her happy & not staying with the band just for the sake of the band.

[strandinthewind]

my take on that is that he didn't mean that in a negative way, just that he is glad she's doing what makes her happy & not staying with the band just for the sake of the band.

I took it that way too.

I do not think any of them were angry with her for leaving. Like Stevie said, she lived up to her obligation during The Dance and called it quits. She had been talking about retiring long before that and had in fact retire from the touring part of the band :shrug:

In the end, she was a very integral part of FM and is missed. Does that mean FM is less good without her - who knows. I think it is just different. I mean FM has been many different groups of people and they all had something good to offer IMO.

[Ulpian]

My understanding of the Lindsey/Chris thing is that she really was someone who would stand up to him, and perhaps could not be emotionally manipulated, as perhaps Stevie could? Perhaps that sounds a little harsh, but I always got the impression that if Chris thought something, she said it, and perhaps that didn't go down too well when Lindsey was in his more 'experimental' phases.

I remember reading that Bob Welch felt similarly, on a Q&A here, that Chris could be quite frank (and in his words 'sarcastic') if she didn't like a song idea. Also, I just don't think they had much of a personal connection. Yes, I think they respected each others' musical skill, but Chris is far too down-to-earth for any of his pseudo-intellectualism IMHO.

[carrie721]

I took it that way too.

I do not think any of them were angry with her for leaving. Like Stevie said, she lived up to her obligation during The Dance and called it quits. She had been talking about retiring long before that and had in fact retire from the touring part of the band :shrug:

she started talking about retirement around 1970, didn't she? LOL.

i agree that they weren't angry. definitely sad, but not angry.

In the end, she was a very integral part of FM and is missed. Does that mean FM is less good without her - who knows. I think it is just different. I mean FM has been many different groups of people and they all had something good to offer IMO.

this incarnation does have its strengths, but i think it definitely suffers for lack of christine. :shrug:

[strandinthewind]

My understanding of the Lindsey/Chris thing is that she really was someone who would stand up to him, and perhaps could not be emotionally manipulated, as perhaps Stevie could? Perhaps that sounds a little harsh, but I always got the impression that if Chris thought something, she said it, and perhaps that didn't go down too well when Lindsey was in his more 'experimental' phases.

I remember reading that Bob Welch felt similarly, on a Q&A here, that Chris could be quite frank (and in his words 'sarcastic') if she didn't like a song idea. Also, I just don't think they had much of a personal connection. Yes, I think they respected each others' musical skill, but Chris is far too down-to-earth for any of his pseudo-intellectualism IMHO.

If you listen to the extended version of the Tusk recording sessions, you will see exactly how sarcastic CM could be. I remember listening to that and thinking no wonder La Nicks ran to a solo career because they were rather harsh with her. It likely is available by trade as I do not have it or I would send it to you.

Also, I love Scotland!

[strandinthewind]

. . . this incarnation does have its strengths, but i think it definitely suffers for lack of christine. :shrug:

I miss her too, but I try to look at it for what it is, which is not the sound of that Rumors line up. I think most can't get past that and keep thinking FM should sound like that, which they cannot without CM. Sort of like LB will never be Peter, who will never be Bob Welch, and so on. But, yes, on the SYW tour, her playing and singing on FM's songs was sorely missed.

[jbrownsjr]

Am I missing something? I always thought Lindsey and Christine were cool with each other? Or he knew she could kick his ass so he gave her some respect?

they were proably the two that kept the music going during Tusk, Mirage and TITN..... they were good buddies in the studio.... and obviously if they didn't respect each other they wouldn't have co wrote

World Turning
Mystified
You And I I and II
Isn't It Midnight
Chain

[Ulpian]

Agreed, but the respect was definitely musical. I don't think it was real friendship. Chris said in 92 she didn't really consider herself a close friend of his, since she didn't think he had 'close' friends.

[Ulpian]

Also, I love Scotland!


:blob2: :thumbsup:

[shackin'up]

they were proably the two that kept the music going during Tusk, Mirage and TITN..... they were good buddies in the studio.... and obviously if they didn't respect each other they wouldn't have co wrote

World Turning
Mystified
You And I I and II
Isn't It Midnight
Chain

exactly. and let's be fair: he may have been an ass during the tusksessions, but the result has been a milestone in popmusic, even if it took 20 years to get the real acclaim.

[Gailh]

If you listen to the extended version of the Tusk recording sessions, you will see exactly how sarcastic CM could be. I remember listening to that and thinking no wonder La Nicks ran to a solo career because they were rather harsh with her. It likely is available by trade as I do not have it or I would send it to you.

Also, I love Scotland!

I don't think Christine was shy in saying if she didn't like something. And sometimes we Brits can be very sarcastic! That's probably why Lindsey has said he now has more "freedom" - he doesn't like Christine disagreeing with him. I'm sure Bob Welch felt the same.

Didn't Bob Weston make some remarks about her? Something like "she used be quite shy but now she uses her fame as a weapon"


Some blokes just can't take strong women :lol:

Gail

[aleuzzi]

I've never seen any SYW documentary, but John's comment shocks me.:shocked:

I remember initially thinking the same thing when I first saw it. But then I realized he was just being honest about what life with her would have been like on the road. He has since said in his question and answer sessions how much he misses her and how great it woould have been for her to join them on stage in London...

I was actually more shocked by how much Mick, in the documentary, downplayed Chris's contribution to FM. He said "she was an asset to the band" and barely anything else.

Only Stevie's comments seemed genuinely warm. But again, the men felt the need to downplay her absence. The band did the same thing to Lindsey when he left in 88.

[HomerMcvie]

That's a very, smart lady.:thumbsup: I assume that you didn't argue with her.;)

I just said, "if you wanna talk FM, I can sit here all night!".:nod:

[JunkFoodGenius]

Aaah, I see. I've just always seen their relationship as one of "Lindsey will not win this war". Lindsey was/is a petulant child and Christine was the stern mother who could tell him no. (Because...really, who else was there in the band? If Stevie Nicks said no, it would take fifteen minutes and somehow angels would be referenced and boinking would be had. And Mick double talks a lot. And I can see John doing it, but I don't see him caring as much about it.)

But I always had a feeling that if there was anyone in the band that truly respected each other, it was Chris and Lindsey. I just never saw his comments as a swipe at Chris - just misguided in his petulance and desire to "win" Fleetwood Mac, if that makes sense.

[macfan 57]

Agreed, but the respect was definitely musical. I don't think it was real friendship. Chris said in 92 she didn't really consider herself a close friend of his, since she didn't think he had 'close' friends.

That quote was from Goldmine Magazine. She said something similar at the 1987 press conference when they introduced Rick & Billy as members of the band. She said she had the greatest musical respect for him, but that they weren't really friends.

[macfan 57]

I don't think Christine was shy in saying if she didn't like something. And sometimes we Brits can be very sarcastic! That's probably why Lindsey has said he now has more "freedom" - he doesn't like Christine disagreeing with him. I'm sure Bob Welch felt the same.

Didn't Bob Weston make some remarks about her? Something like "she used be quite shy but now she uses her fame as a weapon"


Some blokes just can't take strong women :lol:

Gail

I agree. I don't think she ever had a problem giving her opinion.;)

Fleetwood Mac did that Rockline radio show back in 1987 right after Lindsey left the band. Somebody asked Chris how things would work in the studio without Lindsey, since he was responsible for producing their albums. She replied that "they all had a hand in the production & it wasn't like they let him do whatever he wanted". That comment has always amused me, because I think "she" was the one she meant when she said "they".

[macfan 57]

I was actually more shocked by how much Mick, in the documentary, downplayed Chris's contribution to FM. He said "she was an asset to the band" and barely anything else.



Now that shocks me.:shocked: I'm glad I never saw that documentary.:)

[Gailh]

Now that shocks me.:shocked: I'm glad I never saw that documentary.:)

I think it must have been difficult for them after she left.

I mean they could hardly say "well now Chris has gone we're going to be crap"

BUT some of the remarks were less than sensitive

Gail

[Gailh]

I can't imagine he talks like this in real everyday life. I can't imagine anyone talking like this normally.

I wonder how he talks to his kids?

Suggestions anyone?

Gail

[JunkFoodGenius]

I wonder how he talks to his kids?

Suggestions anyone?

Gail

I think Kristin provides interpretation...

"Artistically and personally speaking, I feel that this may be in the context of the living situation we find ourselves in that the concise emotions presented at this current time could have shown to be destructive rather than counter-destructive."

"Will, your father says stop playing with your food."

[pontiac6k]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[Gailh]

I think Kristin provides interpretation...

"Artistically and personally speaking, I feel that this may be in the context of the living situation we find ourselves in that the concise emotions presented at this current time could have shown to be destructive rather than counter-destructive."

"Will, your father says stop playing with your food."

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Gail

[gldstwmn]

If you listen to the extended version of the Tusk recording sessions, you will see exactly how sarcastic CM could be. I remember listening to that and thinking no wonder La Nicks ran to a solo career because they were rather harsh with her. It likely is available by trade as I do not have it or I would send it to you.

Also, I love Scotland!

It's actually on video in the Tusk doc outtakes as well. :)

[Gailh]

It's actually on video in the Tusk doc outtakes as well. :)


I wouldn't want to get on the wrong side of Chris - I bet she can be quite scary!

Gail

[macfan 57]

It's actually on video in the Tusk doc outtakes as well. :)

I have that on DVD. Are you referring to Chris' angels comment regarding Stevie & then she sort of rolls her eyes?:confused: I didn't think that was really all that big a deal.:shrug:

[gldstwmn]

I have that on DVD. Are you referring to Chris' angels comment regarding Stevie & then she sort of rolls her eyes?:confused: I didn't think that was really all that big a deal.:shrug:

Yes that was one of the things. There are some more contentious moments with her and Lindsey also. She and Mick seemed in a weird place too. Not sure if her affair with him was on or off or what at that point. I do think it continued longer than either of them have ever admitted.

[Blondie85]

cough, cough, I'm choking with all this estrogen in this thread!
Settle down ladies and stop blaming Lindsey for Christine's refusal to join FM and her obvious lack of success. The OP just put a compliment Lindsey said about Chris and you proceed to troll all over it.

Now, I dont want to seem harsch but im only saying what everybody else is already thinking. If Lindsey and Stevie wouldn't of joined, FM would have most certainly gone down in music industry as forgotten old english has beens without any hits. I suggest that you ladies stop acting like school girls and have to resort to name calling and thank your lucky star Lindsey and Stevie joined Fleetwood Mac and graced us with their marvelous music.

This "English tea lady" is no good without FM and her records show it, thats why she retired. So why don't we all try to act civil and give Lindsey his dues.

[pontiac6k]

We are not all ladies. Thanks.

It's clear you dislike Christine based upon your thoughts and especially your signature quote, so we are on the same page, but we have dislike for Lindsey.

[untoldsarcasm]

I don't usually post here but just wanted to say a few things :P


Now, I dont want to seem harsch but im only saying what everybody else is already thinking. If Lindsey and Stevie wouldn't of joined, FM would have most certainly gone down in music industry as forgotten old english has beens without any hits.


and Lindsey and Stevie would probably have disappeared before making a name for themselves. That argument is pathetic. And what is you're problem with the english? how very mature


This "English tea lady" is no good without FM and her records show it

That is a subjective opinion, there are obviously people that disagree. There are also people that think that statement is true for Lindsey's solo stuff (I'm not one of them).


thats why she retired.
WRONG


This "English tea lady" is no good without FM and her records show it, thats why she retired. So why don't we all try to act civil and give Lindsey his dues.

act civil?! like you? :rolleyes:

[Aisling]

oh how cute, you've come to troll the christine board! old habits die hard, it appears. well at least you've taken some time to grow a pair and do it out in the open. no aliases for you now right? refreshing.

[HomerMcvie]

oh how cute, you've come to troll the christine board! old habits die hard, it appears. well at least you've taken some time to grow a pair and do it out in the open. no aliases for you now right? refreshing.

:xoxo: Lookin' for trouble.:xoxo:

[Aisling]

:xoxo: Lookin' for trouble.:xoxo:

couldn't help myself. :) i'll be making use of that storied "ignore" feature now. :thumbsup:

[HomerMcvie]

couldn't help myself. :) i'll be making use of that storied "ignore" feature now. :thumbsup:

I still haven't tried it, but I might have to give it a go!:blob2: :lol:

[Aisling]

I still haven't tried it, but I might have to give it a go!:blob2: :lol:

they say that ignorace is bliss. i'm about to become a believer! :laugh:

[jbrownsjr]

cough, cough, I'm choking with all this estrogen in this thread!
Settle down ladies and stop blaming Lindsey for Christine's refusal to join FM and her obvious lack of success. The OP just put a compliment Lindsey said about Chris and you proceed to troll all over it.

Now, I dont want to seem harsch but im only saying what everybody else is already thinking. If Lindsey and Stevie wouldn't of joined, FM would have most certainly gone down in music industry as forgotten old english has beens without any hits. I suggest that you ladies stop acting like school girls and have to resort to name calling and thank your lucky star Lindsey and Stevie joined Fleetwood Mac and graced us with their marvelous music.

This "English tea lady" is no good without FM and her records show it, thats why she retired. So why don't we all try to act civil and give Lindsey his dues.


this is the most intelligent thing you've ever said!!! and that's sayin' a lot.... and that's sayin a lot

[Gailh]

cough, cough, I'm choking with all this estrogen in this thread!
Settle down ladies and stop blaming Lindsey for Christine's refusal to join FM and her obvious lack of success. The OP just put a compliment Lindsey said about Chris and you proceed to troll all over it.

Now, I dont want to seem harsch but im only saying what everybody else is already thinking. If Lindsey and Stevie wouldn't of joined, FM would have most certainly gone down in music industry as forgotten old english has beens without any hits. I suggest that you ladies stop acting like school girls and have to resort to name calling and thank your lucky star Lindsey and Stevie joined Fleetwood Mac and graced us with their marvelous music.

This "English tea lady" is no good without FM and her records show it, thats why she retired. So why don't we all try to act civil and give Lindsey his dues.

I don't think anybody was blaming Lindsey for Christine leaving FM

A few of us (including me) haven't cared for some of his disrespectful remarks towards Christine since she left.

If Stevie and Lindsey hadn't joined FM they would have plodded on with the same moderate success as they'd always had. Stevie and Lindsey may or may not have been successful in their own right nobody knows.

Put the two together and we got the marvellous chemistry. Take away one of the elements and ther whole package is (IMO) not so powerful (Behind the Mask, Time and Say You Will)

I hope that you have noted that I am being a damn sight more polite to you than you were to me on Christine's site.

Gail

[macfan 57]

I see the little troll is back.;) If I remember correctly, he complained about Homer in the Stevie forum thereby forcing poor Homer to post in the Stevie forum.:laugh:

This guy has no right calling anyone else a troll after what he did on the message board on Chris' site.

[macfan 57]

I still haven't tried it, but I might have to give it a go!:blob2: :lol:

It does work. I previously only had one person on ignore, but now there are two.

[HomerMcvie]

I see the little troll is back.;) If I remember correctly, he complained about Homer in the Stevie forum thereby forcing poor Homer to post in the Stevie forum.:laugh:

This guy has no right calling anyone else a troll after what he did on the message board on Chris' site.

Isn't he the "one"? Don't I have his.....(edit- Homie hates being PC....)..."pertinent information", in a Word file here, somewhere?




Yep, he's the one! Bring it on!:nod: It's GO time!:wavey:

[shackin'up]

A few of us (including me) haven't cared for some of his disrespectful remarks towards Christine since she left.

I still try to understand what you guys mean with disrespectful remarks, because I have never ever thought they were disrespectful towards eachother. Maybe critical, maybe tongue-in-cheek, but never disrespectful.

[Gailh]

I still try to understand what you guys mean with disrespectful remarks, because I have never ever thought they were disrespectful towards eachother. Maybe critical, maybe tongue-in-cheek, but never disrespectful.

I mean saying her songs didn't work too well live and that they were not emotionally incisive. that really doesn't sound like tongue-in-cheek to me.

Lindsey chose not to release Gift of Screws because he preferred to go with the brand name Fleetwood Mac. That is not a criticism of him because I think that as one of the musicians who help create the success of the brand he had every right to do that. What I think is disrespectful is to make those sort of remarks about someone who was equally responsble for the success.

I've said before that this leads me to be believe that the knows just how much she is missed.

Gail

[strandinthewind]

I still try to understand what you guys mean with disrespectful remarks, because I have never ever thought they were disrespectful towards eachother. Maybe critical, maybe tongue-in-cheek, but never disrespectful.

I know. I do think any of themn were disrespectful during that time.

I think FM moved on after she left and, they looked forward instead of backward.

I mean Mick called her an asset to the band and that was taken as an insult - how is being called an asset an insult :shrug:

I think many people wanted the remaining four to shriek at the top of their lungs they were nothing without her and anything else is just an insult. That is unfair because the remaining four were something without her though that something was not the product of "the five" - but it never could be could it.

As for hard feelings, clearly none exist because CM visited them at the London shows.

In the end, I think when CM left, they respected her privacy by not making a huge deal out of it. They acknowledged it and her past work and then moved on. I am unsure what else they could have done or were supposed to do.

[Mari]

He gives his opinion on her music, not her person. Shouldn't mix those two up.

[Gailh]

I know. I do think any of themn were disrespectful during that time.

I think FM moved on after she left and, they looked forward instead of backward.

I mean Mick called her an asset to the band and that was taken as an insult - how is being called an asset an insult :shrug:

I think many people wanted the remaining four to shriek at the top of their lungs they were nothing without her and anything else is just an insult. That is unfair because the remaining four were something without her though that something was not the product of "the five" - but it never could be could it.

As for hard feelings, clearly none exist because CM visited them at the London shows.

In the end, I think when CM left, they respected her privacy by not making a huge deal out of it. They acknowledged it and her past work and then moved on. I am unsure what else they could have done or were supposed to do.

Of course they moved on. I've said before I didn't expect them to cry their eyes out and announce that they couldn't go on without her.

But I still think that Lindsey of all people would have understood that she'd had enough and wanted to come home.

So why he made those daft remarks is beyond me.

I still think he was rude and disrespectful and it does him no credit.

Gail

[strandinthewind]

^^^

Interestingly, in the Destiny Rules DVD - they go into the Cm matter further by noting that CM sent flowers the night of the opening of the tour.

In the end, I think they all reached a collective decision not to bring her into the SYW process too much because it was their project and CM did not want to be in the band, etc. Also, if they allowed too many questions about her departure, then then focus was taken away from the product they were selling.

Most telling, I think, were Stevie's remarks about how hard it was without CM, but CM did not want to tour anymore and that was that.

It is an intersting topic though, esp. how one person views a comment as benign and another views it as a slight.

[strandinthewind]

. . . I've said before that this leads me to be believe that the knows just how much she is missed

I think so too. I also thinkt that this exact issue is what plagues LB - he is not the popular one and never has been. Yet, his production in the 70's and 80's lead to CM and SN's popularity, which far eclipsed his - both on the radio and commercially. Interestingly, Stevie carefully cultivated her image to sustain that popularity while CM was in it due to her songs being the most popular.

In the end though, it was the five at one time that produced the magic. yet, we and they cannot seem to think that way for the most part, which is ironic.

[Gailh]

^^^

Interestingly, in the Destiny Rules DVD - they go into the Cm matter further by noting that CM sent flowers the night of the opening of the tour.

In the end, I think they all reached a collective decision not to bring her into the SYW process too much because it was their project and CM did not want to be in the band, etc. Also, if they allowed too many questions about her departure, then then focus was taken away from the product they were selling.

Most telling, I think, were Stevie's remarks about how hard it was without CM, but CM did not want to tour anymore and that was that.

It is an intersting topic though, esp. how one person views a comment as benign and another views it as a slight.


Mick's comment about her being an asset didn't bother me neither did John's comments on Destiny Rules. I think he was making the point that if she really didn't want to be there it would have made them all miserable.

The no tour no album excuse was total bollocks in my view. If she had wanted to take part in the album, and I'm not sure she did, they could have made room for her.

Gail

[strandinthewind]

. . . The no tour no album excuse was total bollocks in my view. If she had wanted to take part in the album, and I'm not sure she did, they could have made room for her . . . .

I think so too. Plus, she already was on SYHA, which to me is the best track on the record. But, I do think she did not want to be part of the record at all as that would have required living in LA again for another year or so. I think she just bowed out gracefully and they moved on.

I loved when La Nicks said something like "and what if her song in the hit" -- I thought, well, given the stats, her song would be the hit :laugh:

[macfan 57]

It is an intersting topic though, esp. how one person views a comment as benign and another views it as a slight.

It all depends on one's perspective. Chris fans get annoyed by these things. On the other hand, most Chris fans are probably not annoyed with that Chris comment regarding Stevie on the Tusk documentary outtakes or Chris' negative comments regarding guitar solos & the guitar problems on SYW:)

[strandinthewind]

It all depends on one's perspective. Chris fans get annoyed by these things. On the other hand, most Chris fans are probably not annoyed with that Chris comment regarding Stevie on the Tusk documentary outtakes or Chris' negative comments regarding guitar solos & the guitar problems on SYW:)

That is because they ignore facts and are not objective :D

[Gailh]

It all depends on one's perspective. Chris fans get annoyed by these things. On the other hand, most Chris fans are probably not annoyed with that Chris comment regarding Stevie on the Tusk documentary outtakes or Chris' negative comments regarding guitar solos & the guitar problems on SYW:)

I think if you agree with what someone says then you think they have every right to say it.

I imagine some Lindsey fans think that Christine's songs are not emotionally incisive and that they dont work well live. In which case they probably think Lindsey was right to say what he did.

I agree with Chris' opinions on guitar solos which strike me as mere showing off. Lindsey fans probably think they showcase his talents. If you pardon the expression :D

I don't know about the comments on the Tusk documentary outtakes - what did she say?

Gail

[macfan 57]

I think if you agree with what someone says then you think they have every right to say it.

I imagine some Lindsey fans think that Christine's songs are not emotionally incisive and that they dont work well live. In which case they probably think Lindsey was right to say what he did.

I agree with Chris' opinions on guitar solos which strike me as mere showing off. Lindsey fans probably think they showcase his talents. If you pardon the expression :D



I guess I just can't help it that I usually agree with CM.;) :D



I don't know about the comments on the Tusk documentary outtakes - what did she say?

Gail

They were working in the studio on the songs for Tusk. Stevie was kind of talking while the rest of them were sort of ignoring her. She mentioned something about angels. Then Chris repeated it and sort of rolled her eyes in that "English" sort of way. I never took it as being a big deal, although others may disagree.;)

[jbrownsjr]

I guess I just can't help it that I usually agree with CM.;) :D



They were working in the studio on the songs for Tusk. Stevie was kind of talking while the rest of them were sort of ignoring her. She mentioned something about angels. Then Chris repeated it and sort of rolled her eyes in that "English" sort of way. I never took it as being a big deal, although others may disagree.;)

hahahaha "others may disagree"

[jbrownsjr]

ok.... i'll say it again.......

I think CM and LB loved each other very much.... while you have quotes and such...she's also said that LB is like a brother and would do anything for her.....


i love people at my job that i disagree all the time with.... if you look at the long term roles... these two people had arguements... neg quotes about each other.... and a lot of respect for each other....

just like any of the other five...

[pontiac6k]

Where did you find Tusk Doc outtakes?!

[macfan 57]

Where did you find Tusk Doc outtakes?!

It's bootleg video footage that didn't make it into the officially released Tusk Documentary. It's been in circulation for awhile now. Many people that trade DVDs probably have it. The footage that I have is about 18 minutes long.

[Gailh]

Blondie85 not joining in anymore?

Gail

[macfan 57]

Blondie85 not joining in anymore?

Gail

:lol: :lol: :lol:

It looks like the little worm is gone. He did the same thing in that Homer thread in the Stevie forum awhile back. He's not so brazen here as he was on Chris' message board.;)

[strandinthewind]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

It looks like the little worm is gone. He did the same thing in that Homer thread in the Stevie forum awhile back. He's not so brazen here as he was on Chris' message board.;)

Perhaps he is scared of a backstage wine toss in the face and a slap for good measure - not to mention the concurrent tongue lashing :D

[macfan 57]

Perhaps he is scared of a backstage wine toss in the face and a slap for good measure - not to mention the concurrent tongue lashing :D

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Gailh]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

It looks like the little worm is gone. He did the same thing in that Homer thread in the Stevie forum awhile back. He's not so brazen here as he was on Chris' message board.;)

No - he knows he'd get in trouble.

Gail

[Gailh]

Perhaps he is scared of a backstage wine toss in the face and a slap for good measure - not to mention the concurrent tongue lashing :D

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Gail

[jbrownsjr]

he is really lindsey

[macfan 57]

he is really lindsey

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Good one, jb.

[jbrownsjr]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Good one, jb.

u bet..... it must have been fun to watch lb and cm stare at each other all day making mirage and tango... :lol:

[GypsySorcerer]

But I still think that Lindsey of all people would have understood that she'd had enough and wanted to come home.

So why he made those daft remarks is beyond me.

I still think he was rude and disrespectful and it does him no credit.

Gail


If I recall, he mentioned he understood her leaving in several interviews, because he felt the same way in 1987.

I pretty much agree with Strand here. I think FM made it clear they missed CM, but also they wanted to continue as a band. :shrug:

[strandinthewind]

There is a new article in the LB forum where LB says:

Q: Are you in touch with other members of the band?

A: We talk, but we don't talk very often. I'll speak to Mick (Fleetwood) a couple of times a year, and Stevie the same. I never had that much contact with John (McVie) anyway, and of course, Christine, she's pretty much burned all of her bridges.

But, you know, it's cordial. There's a lot of love there, and maybe some issues still left to work through. After all this time, that's part of the beauty of Fleetwood Mac.

http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?t=31806
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To me, that sounds a little bitter on his part. Moreover, it is not really true. I think if CM called them today and said, I want back in, they would take her back in a second. Bad call LB

[macfan 57]

There is a new article in the LB forum where LB says:

Q: Are you in touch with other members of the band?

A: We talk, but we don't talk very often. I'll speak to Mick (Fleetwood) a couple of times a year, and Stevie the same. I never had that much contact with John (McVie) anyway, and of course, Christine, she's pretty much burned all of her bridges.

But, you know, it's cordial. There's a lot of love there, and maybe some issues still left to work through. After all this time, that's part of the beauty of Fleetwood Mac.

http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?t=31806
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To me, that sounds a little bitter on his part. Moreover, it is not really true. I think if CM called them today and said, I want back in, they would take her back in a second. Bad call LB

He's used that "burning bridges" phrase before regarding Chris.:shrug: I agree that he does sound bitter. Mick has already said that she could come back if and whenever she wanted, although I'm sure she doesn't want to. It's not up to him.

[HomerMcvie]

Lindsey Bratingham is the one I'd like to meet the least. What a spoiled brat, crybaby!

[Ulpian]

There is a new article in the LB forum where LB says:

Q: Are you in touch with other members of the band?

A: We talk, but we don't talk very often. I'll speak to Mick (Fleetwood) a couple of times a year, and Stevie the same. I never had that much contact with John (McVie) anyway, and of course, Christine, she's pretty much burned all of her bridges.

But, you know, it's cordial. There's a lot of love there, and maybe some issues still left to work through. After all this time, that's part of the beauty of Fleetwood Mac.

http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?t=31806
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To me, that sounds a little bitter on his part. Moreover, it is not really true. I think if CM called them today and said, I want back in, they would take her back in a second. Bad call LB



Hm. Yeah macfan is right, he has used that analogy before. Not sure what he means exactly. I think geographically she is so far away from them that it probably seems that way, but 'burning bridges' usually means there's a personal element too. Maybe I am reading too much into it.;)

[Aisling]

Lindsey Bratingham

that's a new one!

re the "burning bridges" quote, i definitely think that kind of language gives the impression of bitterness, and for me, that always seems to simmer under the surface of lindsey's comments about christine. it's never a straight forward "we don't talk anymore." of course, lindsey likes to add in all sorts of illusory language when he speaks, and we all know he likes to repeat himself, so i'm not ruling out the possibility that he means these things in an entirely different tone and is just incapable of expression his real thoughts. (although i highly, highly doubt this.)

[strandinthewind]

And, to me, the weird thing is LB poses as the one who seemingly could care a less if FM gets back together. He's left before and, according to them, he was the hold out for The Dance.

As for "burning bridges" - that statement just seems rude to me. Or at least he implies by using it that CM left on a bad note, which none of the others have ever implied. In fact, they say just the opposite.

[Aisling]

As for "burning bridges" - that statement just seems rude to me. Or at least he implies by using it that CM left on a bad note, which none of the others have ever implied. In fact, they say just the opposite.

agreed. it suggests that she did something from which there can be no return. and that's something i find hard to believe since as you pointed out, the others have made no illusion to anything of the sort. if there was some implied slight on christine's part, i think lindsey might be exaggerating or blowing it out of proportion.

[Gailh]

The things Lindsey has said (or been quoted as saying) sound to me like he's trying to hide the fact that he knows how much they miss her.

He says way too often that he has more freedom now.

No one expected them to curl up in the corner and cry because she left. If they still wanted to go on then that's fine, that's their decision.

I don't think I'd buy another album with this lineup and I doubt whether I'd go and see them live. But that's just my opinion.

Gail

[macfan 57]

As for "burning bridges" - that statement just seems rude to me. Or at least he implies by using it that CM left on a bad note, which none of the others have ever implied. In fact, they say just the opposite.

The only possible negative comment about Chris leaving was when Chris herself mentioned in Mojo Magazine that the others were slightly miffed when she left. I always took that to mean that the others wanted to extend the Dance tour & she didn't. She cost them quite a bit of money. However, "slightly miffed" is pretty mild, in my opinion. I think the other three certainly respected her right to move on with the rest of her life.

[macfan 57]

it suggests that she did something from which there can be no return.

That's exactly what I think the "burning bridges" comment means. I think he's either blowing something minor out of proportion or something really did happen between the two of them on the Dance tour. None of the other three have said anything remotely similar to this & Chris still has regular contact with Mick, John & Stevie.

[macfan 57]

I don't think I'd buy another album with this lineup and I doubt whether I'd go and see them live. But that's just my opinion.

Gail

Me too.:nod: I'll never make that mistake again after SYW, although I doubt they'll ever record another studio album anyway. I would definitely buy any older, previously unreleased re-issues(with Chris). As for live shows, I'm done. When Chris retired from touring, I retired from going to see them.

[Gailh]

The only possible negative comment about Chris leaving was when Chris herself mentioned in Mojo Magazine that the others were slightly miffed when she left. I always took that to mean that the others wanted to extend the Dance tour & she didn't. She cost them quite a bit of money. However, "slightly miffed" is pretty mild, in my opinion. I think the other three certainly respected her right to move on with the rest of her life.

Well I was "slightly miffed" they didn't come to Europe. It would have been nice to have seen them one last time.

But if she didn't want to do it then there would have been nothing worse than seeing not giving it her all.

Gail

[Ulpian]

John - and Mick - have always said that there are some things in FM that, even with the voyeurism and openness of all the Rumours-era goings on, they can't talk about in public. Maybe something did go on that we don't know about? 'Burning bridges' is a strong analogy, but it's possible Lindsey just means that Chris sold everything she had in the US, got a divorce, stopped being in frequent contact with (most of) the others and then never came back.

[Gailh]

John - and Mick - have always said that there are some things in FM that, even with the voyeurism and openness of all the Rumours-era goings on, they can't talk about in public. Maybe something did go on that we don't know about? 'Burning bridges' is a strong analogy, but it's possible Lindsey just means that Chris sold everything she had in the US, got a divorce, stopped being in frequent contact with (most of) the others and then never came back.

I think he probably did mean that. It does seem, as you say, a strong analogy but I really don't think there was a major bust up on the Dance tour.

A good deal of time has gone by since then and I'm sure someone would have talked about it my now if anything had happened.

Gail

[strandinthewind]

I think La Nicks said it the best when she said, CM did exactly what she said she was going to do - she signed for the US tour and that was it. She then said something like she wasn't angry with CM and understood her decision and that she did not like the touring anymore, etc.

Again, it sort of amazes me that LB would be the angry one (if he is that) because he is the one that likes to portray himself as not needing or wanting to be part of the "big business" Mac.

[Gailh]

I think La Nicks said it the best when she said, CM did exactly what she said she was going to do - she signed for the US tour and that was it. She then said something like she wasn't angry with CM and understood her decision and that she did not like the touring anymore, etc.

Again, it sort of amazes me that LB would be the angry one (if he is that) because he is the one that likes to portray himself as not needing or wanting to be part of the "big business" Mac.

Stevie was supportive of Christine's decision even if she didn't like it.

She has said that she tried to persuade her to stay but also said something like "sometimes you look into someone's eyes and you know they've made their decision and you have to say OK I release you" - that wasn't a direct quote but the "I release you" bit was accurate I believe.

If Lindsey was angry it was probably because he doesn't like not getting his own way

Gail

[AliceLover]

I think La Nicks said it the best when she said, CM did exactly what she said she was going to do - she signed for the US tour and that was it. She then said something like she wasn't angry with CM and understood her decision and that she did not like the touring anymore, etc.

Again, it sort of amazes me that LB would be the angry one (if he is that) because he is the one that likes to portray himself as not needing or wanting to be part of the "big business" Mac.

The thing that amazes me about the Dance tour is that, according to pollstar (don't know how accurate this info is), they made about $1,000,000 a show. To me thats just incredible. Christine definitely BANKED on that one.

[Gailh]

The thing that amazes me about the Dance tour is that, according to pollstar (don't know how accurate this info is), they made about $1,000,000 a show. To me thats just incredible. Christine definitely BANKED on that one.

Nice little retirement fund!

Gail

[profjohn]

Stevie was supportive of Christine's decision even if she didn't like it.

She has said that she tried to persuade her to stay but also said something like "sometimes you look into someone's eyes and you know they've made their decision and you have to say OK I release you" - that wasn't a direct quote but the "I release you" bit was accurate I believe.

If Lindsey was angry it was probably because he doesn't like not getting his own way

Gail

Lindsey has just said more, in a PhillyBurbs.com interview on 3/24/07: ""If it were left up to Mick (Fleetwood) or Stevie (Nicks) Fleetwood Mac would be on the road sooner rather than later," says Buckingham. ... "I've heard conflicting reports. I've heard Stevie saying she wants to do it, then I've heard she doesn't want to do it unless (retired singer-keyboardist) Christine (McVie) is there. That doesn't make any sense because Christine's not going to be there. I don't talk with Stevie enough to know if what she says in any given moment has weight or not. My guess is that there will be Fleetwood Mac action, but certainly not an album before there would be touring."

Is Stevie thinking of trying to persuade Chris to rejoin Mac? We can only hope!

[macfan 57]

Lindsey has just said more, in a PhillyBurbs.com interview on 3/24/07: ""If it were left up to Mick (Fleetwood) or Stevie (Nicks) Fleetwood Mac would be on the road sooner rather than later," says Buckingham. ... "I've heard conflicting reports. I've heard Stevie saying she wants to do it, then I've heard she doesn't want to do it unless (retired singer-keyboardist) Christine (McVie) is there. That doesn't make any sense because Christine's not going to be there. I don't talk with Stevie enough to know if what she says in any given moment has weight or not. My guess is that there will be Fleetwood Mac action, but certainly not an album before there would be touring."

Is Stevie thinking of trying to persuade Chris to rejoin Mac? We can only hope!

I hope that's true that Stevie's doesn't want to record again unless Chris is part of it. She'll never tour or play live again. But I think she'd be open to recording with them again. In those ITM interviews, Chris mentioned how much fun it was recording her album. She still loves to record. I think Mick & Stevie would love to record with Chris again, Lindsey....forget it. He's hopeless.;) I doubt that John even cares if they ever record again anyway as he is mainly interested in touring.

The funny thing is before SYW was recorded, Stevie was quoted as saying that Chris couldn't just record, she'd have to do the whole thing...record & tour. It sounds like she's come around & realizes that a FM album is better with the complete line-up. I also think she genuinely missed Chris on SYW, both musically & personally.

[Gailh]

I hope that's true that Stevie's doesn't want to record again unless Chris is part of it. She'll never tour or play live again. But I think she'd be open to recording with them again. In those ITM interviews, Chris mentioned how much fun it was recording her album. She still loves to record. I think Mick & Stevie would love to record with Chris again, Lindsey....forget it. He's hopeless.;) I doubt that John even cares if they ever record again anyway as he is mainly interested in touring.

The funny thing is before SYW was recorded, Stevie was quoted as saying that Chris couldn't just record, she'd have to do the whole thing...record & tour. It sounds like she's come around & realizes that a FM album is better with the complete line-up. I also think she genuinely missed Chris on SYW, both musically & personally.

I think Stevie did miss Christine on SYW - she's said it wasn't as much fun. Perhaps Ms Nicks was fed up with all that testosterone? I've always said I think it is possible for Christine to record with FM and not tour. All it needs is for Christine to explain to Mick what it would take for this to happen and for Mick to say "yes Chris". Lindsey could come over to Kent for a few weeks and get Christine to add some vocals and keyboards to "works in progress" and then decide on one song of hers to do for the new album. He could take the results back to L.A. and work them into the new album. In this way she'd be on the album (which means that they'd sell at least 2 more copies - me and Macfan :laugh: ) but in a low key way so John wouldn't get his knickers in a twist about her not "working the album". Simple. Sorted.

I think they all know that the balance of the band has been thrown out by Christine not being there.

FM should be a five piece (with no Daves :laugh: )

Gail

[macfan 57]

I think Stevie did miss Christine on SYW - she's said it wasn't as much fun. Perhaps Ms Nicks was fed up with all that testosterone? I've always said I think it is possible for Christine to record with FM and not tour. All it needs is for Christine to explain to Mick what it would take for this to happen and for Mick to say "yes Chris". Lindsey could come over to Kent for a few weeks and get Christine to add some vocals and keyboards to "works in progress" and then decide on one song of hers to do for the new album. He could take the results back to L.A. and work them into the new album. In this way she'd be on the album (which means that they'd sell at least 2 more copies - me and Macfan :laugh: ) but in a low key way so John wouldn't get his knickers in a twist about her not "working the album". Simple. Sorted.

I think they all know that the balance of the band has been thrown out by Christine not being there.

Gail

I think Chris would do it that way too. I don't think there's any way she'd come over to the U.S & take a year or more out of her life to work on an album, as she did on previous albums, but a few weeks or so in her backyard studio would seem to be OK.

I'm sure they'd be happy to sell those extra 2 copies.;) :laugh: