Orientation Poll

[AliceLover]

With all this I am hearing about Stevie being a gay Icon, I was wondering what everyone's Sexual Orientation was.

I am a gay male.

Please share!

[BlackWidow]

I have been known to play the skin flute..

[ontheEdgeof17]

:::checks watch:::

yup. still homosexual.

[carrie721]

dammit, it's an anonymous poll? :mad: :laugh:

gay.

[BlackWidow]

notice to bi-sexual vote - COME OUT!!!

[AliceLover]

notice to bi-sexual vote - COME OUT!!!

I personally don't understand it myself....

[BlackWidow]

I personally don't understand it myself....

It's a little chicken****..how ironic..Dontcha think?:laugh:

[Miss Vicky]

I went with straight. I did consider myself a bisexual at one point and I do still find some women attractive and wouldn't be against the idea of being romantically and/or sexually involved with a woman, but overall I prefer men.

[foxyluva]

I personally don't understand it myself....

Thats a little ignorant. Don't some straight people say the same thing about being gay :shrug:

Anyway, Im mostly attracted to men, but I am attracted to women as well, so I went with bi...

[AliceLover]

Thats a little ignorant. Don't some straight people say the same thing about being gay :shrug:

Anyway, Im mostly attracted to men, but I am attracted to women as well, so I went with bi...

I wouldn't call it ignorant. I just don't get it. Everyone is different and I understand that.

[foxyluva]

I wouldn't call it ignorant. I just don't get it. Everyone is different and I understand that.

Whats not to get - we like both :laugh:

[BlackWidow]

Whats not to get - we like both :laugh:

**Hands Across America**

"...We are the world....we are the children":wavey:

[DrummerDeanna]

Whats not to get - we like both :laugh:

Are you bi too??

And yeah - I HATE when gay or straight people say **** like "come out already" or "pick a side" To that I say, "**** off."

Why people who have been so harshly judged would turn around and just just as judgemental is horrible to me.

Why don't I come out already? Because I happen to be attracted to both men and women. I don't care about gender, for me I choose a person for who they are.

I've had amazing relationships with men and amazing relationships with women. Bisexuality is real and does exist and is much more prevelant than some people think.

Contrary to popular belief it is not chicken ****, nor is it the last stop before gayville...not for everyone. I've been bisexual my whole life - and will continue to be.

[UnwindedDreams]

I'm a straight male...who loves Rod Stewart and Madonna:D

[foxyluva]

I don't care about gender, for me I choose a person for who they are.


Thats exactly what Im like - Im attracted to the person rather than their gender.

Although in saying that, its not 50:50 attraction for me, its more like 80:20 :laugh:

[DrummerDeanna]

Thats exactly what Im like - Im attracted to the person rather than their gender.

Although in saying that, its not 50:50 attraction for me, its more like 80:20 :laugh:

80:20. Those aren't very good odds there :p

I've never thought about it - I used to be pretty 50:50 but after being screwed over very badly by some very ****ed up and evil women I swore them off and tried to be mainly straight...but now I'm starting to open myself up again to the possibility of love coming from woman...

So now I'd say I'm at about 60:40 :p

[AliceLover]

Thats exactly what Im like - Im attracted to the person rather than their gender.

Although in saying that, its not 50:50 attraction for me, its more like 80:20 :laugh:

Didn't mean to offend Mikey. You know I love you.

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

I chose straight but I've often thought about being with a woman.

[foxyluva]

80:20. Those aren't very good odds there :p


No, they aren't - she'd have to be one hell of a woman :laugh:

Didn't mean to offend Mikey. You know I love you.

You didn't offend me - I just wanted to educate you Jimmy :angel:

[DrummerDeanna]

YOu know, I just thought of something else - some of the stuff I touched on and some of the stuff said in this thread is what makes me HATE HATE HATE the term bisexual. Which I do.

I hate labels, which in turn sounds sort of flaky...but you say bisexual people think you're either confused, chicken ****, a slut/whore or gay. It gets annoying...I'm none of those things...:shrug:

[foxyluva]

YOu know, I just thought of something else - some of the stuff I touched on and some of the stuff said in this thread is what makes me HATE HATE HATE the term bisexual. Which I do.

I hate labels, which in turn sounds sort of flaky...but you say bisexual people think you're either confused, chicken ****, a slut/whore or gay. It gets annoying...I'm none of those things...:shrug:

Agreed! I hate labels in a big way, in fact, I had this same conversation with Bill (buckymcnix) last week...

[BlackWidow]

Agreed! I hate labels in a big way, in fact, I had this same conversation with Bill (buckymcnix) last week...

Bill made a choice though...

[markolas]

Gay here, but I wouldn't etch it into a stone tablet or anything.

[The Tower]

With all this I am hearing about Stevie being a gay Icon, I was wondering what everyone's Sexual Orientation was.

I am a gay male.

Please share!
Here's the Kinsey thread from two years ago that'll shed some light on who's what:

http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?t=21149

Gay here, but I wouldn't etch it into a stone tablet or anything.
My gay-homoness is freeeeking etched in stone, babe!

:nod: :blob1: :xoxo:

[rbs3676]

I'm gay.
And while I have had sex with women in my past, I do not consider myself bisexual at all. I'm a dude that likes dudes.

rbs

[Rickypt]

I voted asexual....may as well be. :rolleyes:

[BlackWidow]

I voted asexual....may as well be. :rolleyes:

YOU ARE NOT!!!:p

[markolas]

Here's the Kinsey thread from two years ago that'll shed some light on who's what:

http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?t=21149

How did I miss that? I'm either a 4 or a 5, I can't decide which.

My gay-homoness is freeeeking etched in stone, babe!

I used to feel the same way, but...eh. If I weren't in a relationship now, I'd be willing to experiment.

[BlackWidow]

I'm gay.
And while I have had sex with women in my past, I do not consider myself bisexual at all. I'm a dude that likes dudes.

rbs

me too...lots of chicks. you just need to deal with the reality after awhile. whatever that is for you.:nod:

[ontheEdgeof17]

I voted asexual....may as well be. :rolleyes:

Aw. You can't be. Next to Walt Disney World, you live in the gayest place on Earth. You'll find someone. :)

[Rickypt]

Next to Walt Disney World, you live in the gayest place on Earth.

Actually, I think it goes:

1. The Ledge
2. Walt Disney World
3. San Francisco

[Rickypt]

Can I just share a quick story. Last night I went to see a friend for happy hour. Things have been bad at work and I need to talk, etc. Halfway into our first vodka tonic, he is already cruising half the bar. Halfway through the second drink, he is following a couple of guys into the bathroom. It got so bad I overheard one of the guys telling his friends that we was being stalked.

We were supposed to have dinner, but my friend said "I don't think I really want dinner", I'm just gonna hang here by myself. Which I guess meant "get the hell out of here, I'm gonna continue my pointless cruising".

It's times like that when I get down on gay men. In the meantime, I have these amazing dinners with women and even though I'm not sexually attracted to them, I feel attracted in a certain way.

What's my point......

I don't know, but after I got home, I got a text from my friend saying "going home alone".

[ontheEdgeof17]

^Ry,

I can totally relate to your story. I would rather hang out with the ladies from work than hang out with gay men. You can find guys who become really good friends, however. It's painstaking at times trying to find someone to rely on who doesn't want to get down your pants. I would like a gay best friend, but I have yet to find one that doesn't think with his penis.

[markolas]

Can I just share a quick story. Last night I went to see a friend for happy hour. Things have been bad at work and I need to talk, etc. Halfway into our first vodka tonic, he is already cruising half the bar. Halfway through the second drink, he is following a couple of guys into the bathroom. It got so bad I overheard one of the guys telling his friends that we was being stalked.

We were supposed to have dinner, but my friend said "I don't think I really want dinner", I'm just gonna hang here by myself. Which I guess meant "get the hell out of here, I'm gonna continue my pointless cruising".

It's times like that when I get down on gay men. In the meantime, I have these amazing dinners with women and even though I'm not sexually attracted to them, I feel attracted in a certain way.

What's my point......

I don't know, but after I got home, I got a text from my friend saying "going home alone".

I've experienced that kind of thing. My social circle has collapsed to nothing over the past 8 or 9 months - I have no friends now except for my boyfriend, and I'm at a loss as to how to make new ones. But I don't think I'd intentionally seek out gay guys as friends; for one thing, the ones I've met don't seem to understand the concept of "platonic friendship." Your story illustrates another reason. "Bros before hos," people!

[Rickypt]

^Ry,

I can totally relate to your story. I would rather hang out with the ladies from work than hang out with gay men. You can find guys who become really good friends, however. It's painstaking at times trying to find someone to rely on who doesn't want to get down your pants. I would like a gay best friend, but I have yet to find one that doesn't think with his penis.

I am lucky, as I do have a couple of very good gay friends who transcend the whole penis thing. But they are in relationships and therefore completely unavailable except for an occasional dinner at their house.

There's some cool stuff going on in SF, like this group called ActivelyOUT that organizes activities for gay men and is intended to get people together in nonsexual environments just to socialize. I did a museum outing once with them and really enjoyed it. I should do more with them, but sometimes it's hard to show up by yourself not knowing who will be there.

[rbs3676]

My best friend is gay. When we go out, we have a blast. We can cruise, we can play darts, we can sit in a corner and gossip or we can just go somewhere and watch the Spurs and not say much. We used to have sex a long time ago but realized that we were gonna be better friends than F*** buddies, so that line was drawn.
He's a great guy, cute as can be and keeps ME in my place. I love him.

Three of my closest friends are females. We tell each other EVERYTHING and there are very few secrets within my circle. These ladies are my dinner dates, my concert companions, my shopping tag alongs. There are very few of my male friends that I spend as much time as I do with "my girls".

rbs

[Rickypt]

He's a great guy, cute as can be


Is he single?:wavey:

[rbs3676]

Is he single?:wavey:

Actually, he is single at the moment!
Here's a pic of Patrick...

rbs

[Für Elise]

Are you bi too??

And yeah - I HATE when gay or straight people say **** like "come out already" or "pick a side" To that I say, "**** off."

Why people who have been so harshly judged would turn around and just just as judgemental is horrible to me.

Why don't I come out already? Because I happen to be attracted to both men and women. I don't care about gender, for me I choose a person for who they are.

I've had amazing relationships with men and amazing relationships with women. Bisexuality is real and does exist and is much more prevelant than some people think.

Contrary to popular belief it is not chicken ****, nor is it the last stop before gayville...not for everyone. I've been bisexual my whole life - and will continue to be.I really hate that too, it pisses me off. saying pick a side is as good as saying to a gay person to choose a partner of the opposite sex, its really ignorant. I don't come out because of what I thought would be obvious, I like guys too much, my boyfriend wouldn't really like it.

[Rickypt]

Actually, he is single at the moment!
Here's a pic of Patrick...

rbs

Cute! :D ten characters

[SortaSavageLike]

Warning: This post contains a visual metaphor posing as a riddle. Can you guess the answer?

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[ontheEdgeof17]

Warning: This post contains a visual metaphor posing as a riddle. Can you guess the answer?

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straight as a rail?

:D

[BlackWidow]

Can I just share a quick story. Last night I went to see a friend for happy hour. Things have been bad at work and I need to talk, etc. Halfway into our first vodka tonic, he is already cruising half the bar. Halfway through the second drink, he is following a couple of guys into the bathroom. It got so bad I overheard one of the guys telling his friends that we was being stalked.

We were supposed to have dinner, but my friend said "I don't think I really want dinner", I'm just gonna hang here by myself. Which I guess meant "get the hell out of here, I'm gonna continue my pointless cruising".

It's times like that when I get down on gay men. In the meantime, I have these amazing dinners with women and even though I'm not sexually attracted to them, I feel attracted in a certain way.

What's my point......

I don't know, but after I got home, I got a text from my friend saying "going home alone".

I wish you and I lived closer..I have a feeling we would be great friends!
Tom & I do get a little to insular sometimes. My gay single friends seen very threatened by our 8 yr relationship..it pushes buttons..because we really are terrific together and very happy. Envy sets in most of the time I have found.
I have close straight guy friends who are now coupled & married. So we end up hanging out with a couple of gay men couples that seem to be working well. I miss having a close male gay friend I can really talk to! You are very special - hang with people that get you and YES..Respect you and your time. That group you mentioned sounds good and WORTH pursuing!!!
Andre

[ryan8472]

Oh boyyyyyy...GAY

:laugh: :nod:

[danax6]

Warning: This post contains a visual metaphor posing as a riddle. Can you guess the answer?

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http://www.homedepot.com/cmc_upload/HDUS/EN_US/asset/images/eplus/094416509011_3.jpg

[danax6]

Right after I posted that I went back to watching Grey's Anatomy and Cristina, Meredith and Izzie are soaping each other up in the shower. Is that a sign? :laugh:

[BlackWidow]

Oh boyyyyyy...GAY

:laugh: :nod:

Nooooooooooooooooooooooo.....:p

[ryan8472]

Nooooooooooooooooooooooo.....:p

Well I had to get it out. I didn't think that came off as clear as I would've liked. :laugh: :xoxo:

[BlackWidow]

does come-out only apply to being gay?
or can some one come-out as bisexual?


i don't understand it eithr - but i also don't understand rocket science but when the rocket goes up - i believe.:D


the ten percent bad-mouthing the one percent?:o
how is it chicken**** to go against the grain of both extremes - some straight folks don't understand anything but straight sex - some gays obviously don't understand liking both.

Is it brave to come-out and say you are gay yet not brave to come-out as bi?
I thought the bravery was in the "i am different but i am ok" part.





oh i am so sorry - :D j/k
i don't mind the older rod music really at all. not so much the new stuff



- yep what DD said - and michael -
some people i can't take my eyes off of - that sounds creepier than it is really.
80/20 - i would give myself the same odds.


chicken or fish?
:laugh:

wait - now i am confused - i didn't think it was a choice - i thought it was genetic. . .


jeez man - have they all lost their minds down there in sf?
maybe because it is the number 3 gayest place (:D ) on the planet that it makes it harder to find for a long term deal?
i have only been twice and went to the bars once. . . not very memorable i must say. Very cruisy yes. Fun - meh. (plus i'm not the madge loving type - {see above} so the music was driving me batty)
chin up mate - maybe at the summer shows you will find someone :thumbsup:

I am too tired to go thru and isolate all your quotes...I will say this your are a very funny, loving, mysteriously sexy, mecurial mass of contradictions..like me!!! Could I go out and Fook some chick and enjoy it?? YEA!! Am I going to..since I know myself..grown up..and accountable for my actions?? NO!!!

[michelle2677]

I voted straight because...well...i am. Nothing more to add-i like men :shrug:

[rbs3676]

i like men :shrug:


Me too! :wavey:

rbs

[BlackWidow]

i don't understand the 'accountable for my actions' part.
what is to be accountable for?

meaning..I made a commitment to myself and my partner.

[AliceLover]

I have learned that its very hard to find another gay guy to be with when you aren't out of the closet and go to an all boys school. My friends do not suspect a thing. All of my best friends are guys and I am not attracted to them at all, which is why I think I am their friends. I really don't have any girl buddies that gay guys usually have just because, IMO, I come off as straight. Theres this girl thats rubbing up to me and talk that she likes me or so I hear, so thats gunna get awkward fast. :laugh:

Its. Hard. Being. Gay.

Ryan we should start a club.

[BlackWidow]

I have learned that its very hard to find another gay guy to be with when you aren't out of the closet and go to an all boys school. My friends do not suspect a thing. All of my best friends are guys and I am not attracted to them at all, which is why I think I am their friends. I really don't have any girl buddies that gay guys usually have just because, IMO, I come off as straight. Theres this girl thats rubbing up to me and talk that she likes me or so I hear, so thats gunna get awkward fast. :laugh:

Its. Hard. Being. Gay.

Ryan we should start a club.

It's not hard...when you decide to create your life..it will happen.
You must however..be your own role model.:nod:

[AliceLover]

It's not hard...when you decide to create your life..it will happen.
You must however..be your own role model.:nod:

Very inspirational...whatever that means. :xoxo:

[BlackWidow]

Very inspirational...whatever that means. :xoxo:

you'll figure it out....:xoxo:

[BlackWidow]

well i wasn't speaking of what peoples commitments are to each other - lots of folks have different arrangements and agreements but that was def not my point.( but - does it make someone not 'bi' once they enter a monog relationship with anothr of the same sex even if they still find themselves lookin or thinkin of someone of the opposite sex?)

my point was that someone can find themself aroused and interested in both sexes. :xoxo:

and thanks for those comments before too - you are very sweet -

:xoxo:

I was speaking about me..no one else.
I don't give a flyin' FOOK what anyone does!
Now..get in my room!!!

[BlackWidow]

wait wait wait -
i thought you were commited??
or is he there too you cheeky little monkey??

OH!
I will not share you with anyone.....:xoxo:

[estranged4life]

that I have been married to the same woman since 1993, so noone needs my input.

[ryan8472]

OH!
I will not share you with anyone.....:xoxo:

Cheating on me!? :( :distress:

[Rickypt]

It's not hard...when you decide to create your life..it will happen.
You must however..be your own role model.:nod:

OMG, we have our own Dear Gay Abby here. :D Or maybe a gay fortune cookie.....wink.

[goldustsongbird]

YOu know, I just thought of something else - some of the stuff I touched on and some of the stuff said in this thread is what makes me HATE HATE HATE the term bisexual. Which I do.

I hate labels, which in turn sounds sort of flaky...but you say bisexual people think you're either confused, chicken ****, a slut/whore or gay. It gets annoying...I'm none of those things...:shrug:

:laugh:

Remember what I once said about the popular bisexuals? The girls who get drunk at parties and think because they've kissed their best friend that they must be ~zomg bi~? :rolleyes: That annoys me, and is what turns me off. I don't like the term bisexual either, but I guess it's the only thing I fit under if I've gotta be categorized. I'm attracted to men and women... Sometimes women more. :cool:

[Wild_Heart03]

honey, I'm so gay I make Cher say "tone it down." :laugh:

only not... most people don't even know until I tell them.

[HejiraNYC]

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[xdreamsunwindx]

I consider myself straight. I just like guys more. Don't get me wrong, I find certain women very hot, but I consider it more of a physical attraction than an emotional attraction. Like, sure, I'd kiss another girl, but I don't think I could persue a relationship. So, I don't consider myself bi.

I just connect more with guys, physically and emotionally, which is what is the most important to me. I just get along better with them, in general. Girls are a pain in the ass, at least most of the ones I know. And boys are a lot of fun to kiss :wavey:

Fashion bisexuals piss me off, too. I hate that. I know so many girls who made out with other girls and they're like "omg i have teh bi~~" and think they're the ****. I'm not going to say what you are or what you are not, but kissing != your sexuality. Meh, whatever floats your pelvis.

[mikeschmike]

And boys are a lot of fun to kiss :wavey:



Ain't that the truth.

Big 'mo here. :woohoo:

[Wild_Heart03]

And boys are a lot of fun to kiss :wavey:

Word to that! :D

[DavidMn]

I can honestly say I have NEVER been sexually attracted to a woman. 100% gay here:nod:

[DrummerDeanna]

:laugh:

Remember what I once said about the popular bisexuals? The girls who get drunk at parties and think because they've kissed their best friend that they must be ~zomg bi~? :rolleyes: That annoys me, and is what turns me off. I don't like the term bisexual either, but I guess it's the only thing I fit under if I've gotta be categorized. I'm attracted to men and women... Sometimes women more. :cool:

I HATE that too...and then then think they're bi and therefore **** over the next girl that comes around...ok...so I got tangled up with a girl who claimed to bi but as it turned out so was not.

It's becoming more common too - I mean look at Girls Gone Wild - it's all about college girls getting drunk and making out with each other...it's horrid. And only adds to the flakiness of the term "bi"

[goldustsongbird]

I HATE that too...and then then think they're bi and therefore **** over the next girl that comes around...ok...so I got tangled up with a girl who claimed to bi but as it turned out so was not.

It's becoming more common too - I mean look at Girls Gone Wild - it's all about college girls getting drunk and making out with each other...it's horrid. And only adds to the flakiness of the term "bi"

GGW makes me laugh when I see the commercials for it, but they're so full of it. They get wasted and act like dickheads, but then go and complain about how they were exploited and blah blah blah here's a lawsuit. :rolleyes:

[DrummerDeanna]

GGW makes me laugh when I see the commercials for it, but they're so full of it. They get wasted and act like dickheads, but then go and complain about how they were exploited and blah blah blah here's a lawsuit. :rolleyes:

GGW makes me sick.

That and other things like it are having horrible repercussions in society methinks. I know, I know, many here get pissed/annoyed when people blame media for societal woes...but my sister teaches sixth grade and she's caught no less than three different pairs of girls making out because the boys paid them....

When asked where they even though to do that....they almost always say tv...it's sad.

Anyway...I'm completely hypocritical because I am so wary of any woman who claims to be bi, and I have trouble dating them...because I've been screwed over one too many times...the whole "sexual orientation" game gets old after a while....really I'd just like to find someone I connect with who is not a psycho.

[bretonbanquet]

Straight guy here :wavey:

[BlackWidow]

Cheating on me!? :( :distress:

Ry Ry..my little puppy.:p

[RavenOfRhiannon]

Perfect Kinsey 6. Totally Gay.

I have been with the same guy for 12 years now and I know how it feels to have people 'threatened' by a long term relationship. Our single friends aren't accustomed to people with our track record and the couple friends we do have are usually so new into their relationship, they are not very sociable.

[LikeAWillow]

I voted myself as bi but like almost every man or woman on here attracted to both sexes, I can't stand the label. And you know, for me, it isn't because I've been told that bisexuality is just the last step before coming out, no...I get told that I'm just experimenting before I end up in a straight relationship permanently. "It's a phase, it's a rebellion," or so most of the people around me would like to believe who aren't in my closest circle of friends. To slightly paraphrase a lovely little gay fluff pic, "But she's a cheerleader!", she can't like women! Well you know, just because the people here can't seem to break their stereotype of what a lesbian or bisexual is certainly doesn't mean that I'm going to suddenly cease being one. To be honest, I'm 70:30 in terms of my attractions...and that 70% favors women.

[seeker007nmss]

To slightly paraphrase a lovely little gay fluff pic,


A lovely little gay FLUFF pic?

"I am not gay, I am just FAB-U-LOUS!" :laugh:
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a88/Dreamtimezzz/CAT-WITH-CROWN20web.jpg

[Mari]

I couldn't tell what percentages go for me, really! There's just so many different reasons why I feel attracted to someone, and whether I'd like to have a relationship or not. I gave up wondering/worrying about the male-female thing a few years ago. I just know I'll never be completely gay or straight. What's the big deal:laugh:

[LikeAWillow]

A lovely little gay FLUFF pic?

"I am not gay, I am just FAB-U-LOUS!" :laugh:
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a88/Dreamtimezzz/CAT-WITH-CROWN20web.jpg

I love it. Don't make fun of this cat though, or he might just pop a cap in your ass.

http://eli.criffield.net/funny/kittah.jpg

[seeker007nmss]

I am not afraid, My HomeKitty has my back!

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a88/Dreamtimezzz/Pretty_Gangsta_Kitty.jpg

[LikeAWillow]

I prefer the Old School gangsta's...

http://hectorsplace1.tripod.com/cat01.JPG

[seeker007nmss]

I prefer the Old School gangsta's...

http://hectorsplace1.tripod.com/cat01.JPG


Oh That kitty has my back too!

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a88/Dreamtimezzz/detectcat_small.jpg

[LikeAWillow]

http://east.isx.com/~jlauten/graphics/kitty.jpg

You win.

[seeker007nmss]

http://east.isx.com/~jlauten/graphics/kitty.jpg

You win.
Is it safe to post again?
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a88/Dreamtimezzz/tuna-pot.jpg

[Rickypt]

I have learned that its very hard to find another gay guy to be with when you aren't out of the closet and go to an all boys school. My friends do not suspect a thing. All of my best friends are guys and I am not attracted to them at all, which is why I think I am their friends. I really don't have any girl buddies that gay guys usually have just because, IMO, I come off as straight. Theres this girl thats rubbing up to me and talk that she likes me or so I hear, so thats gunna get awkward fast. :laugh:

Its. Hard. Being. Gay.

Ryan we should start a club.

Jimmy, it is hard being gay. Not saying it's not hard for other people or as hard as other people, but it's hard. As long as we are oppressed and kept from reaching our full potential and happiness and as along as people like that basketball dude feel like they can spew vitriol at us as a group and suffer minimal consequences, then it's okay to say it is hard. Otherwise, you would be able to be at an all boys school and be out of the closet, find other gay guys to be friends/bf's with, etc.

Things have gotten a lot better. Your generation has it better than my generation, which has it a lot better than the generation before me. Just that fact that you are semi-out and can talk to other gay people on this board is light years better than I had it. I was out when I was 16-17, but I had to sneak into gay bars and my "friends" were 35 year old gay dudes trying to deflower me.

But....it's hard. You should be able to be open with all of your friends and it shouldn't be a big deal to anyone.

[Rickypt]

I wish you and I lived closer..I have a feeling we would be great friends!
Tom & I do get a little to insular sometimes. My gay single friends seen very threatened by our 8 yr relationship..it pushes buttons..because we really are terrific together and very happy. Envy sets in most of the time I have found.
I have close straight guy friends who are now coupled & married. So we end up hanging out with a couple of gay men couples that seem to be working well. I miss having a close male gay friend I can really talk to! You are very special - hang with people that get you and YES..Respect you and your time. That group you mentioned sounds good and WORTH pursuing!!!
Andre

You have a nice, healthy outlook and I do think we would be good friends. :wavey:

Oh, Landslide just came on. I think I'll dedicated it to you.

~This is for you, Andre.

[BlackWidow]

Jimmy, it is hard being gay. Not saying it's not hard for other people or as hard as other people, but it's hard. As long as we are oppressed and kept from reaching our full potential and happiness and as along as people like that basketball dude feel like they can spew vitriol at us as a group and suffer minimal consequences, then it's okay to say it is hard. Otherwise, you would be able to be at an all boys school and be out of the closet, find other gay guys to be friends/bf's with, etc.

Things have gotten a lot better. Your generation has it better than my generation, which has it a lot better than the generation before me. Just that fact that you are semi-out and can talk to other gay people on this board is light years better than I had it. I was out when I was 16-17, but I had to sneak into gay bars and my "friends" were 35 year old gay dudes trying to deflower me.

But....it's hard. You should be able to be open with all of your friends and it shouldn't be a big deal to anyone.

I have said everything you have said and more..in the past!
You can also attract what you defend against. People get how to treat you..FROM YOU. Friends and lovers. Yes..there are assholes out there.
But - lots of great men too. When I worked on myself...let all my ideas and complaining go...I met Tom. Set your standards high...like attracts like.
You can find plenty of people to tell you otherwise. That is why they are crying in their beer too.

[amber]

Straight guy here :wavey:

We better capture and tag you, so we can track your movements. It's important that we study endangered Ledge species so that we can better understand them and their habitat, and perhaps gain insight as to why their numbers are so low...

[Johnny Stew]

I had a couple of crushes on girls when I was a teenager and in my early 20s, and I clung desperately to those crushes as a sign that I wasn't gay -- that I was "just maybe, hopefully, only bisexual."

When I finally admitted to myself that those crushes were completely devoid of any sexual feelings, and that the sexual feelings I did have were always directed at other guys, I gave up on the Great Bi Hope and accepted the fact that I'm a big ol' 10-on-the-Kinsey-Scale 'mo. :D

[BlackWidow]

I had a couple of crushes on girls when I was a teenager and in my early 20s, and I clung desperately to those crushes as a sign that I wasn't gay -- that I was "just maybe, hopefully, only bisexual."

When I finally admitted to myself that those crushes were completely devoid of any sexual feelings, and that the sexual feelings I did have were always directed at other guys, I gave up on the Great Bi Hope and accepted the fact that I'm a big ol' 10-on-the-Kinsey-Scale 'mo. :D

That was beautiful.:thumbsup:

[Johnny Stew]

That was beautiful.:thumbsup:Thanks!

Of course, I forgot the Kinsey Scale only goes up to 6... but I'm probably still a 10, even at that. :laugh:

[BlackWidow]

Thanks!

Of course, I forgot the Kinsey Scale only goes up to 6... but I'm probably still a 10, even at that. :laugh:

You are a 10, baby!:lol:

[DrummerDeanna]

I voted myself as bi but like almost every man or woman on here attracted to both sexes, I can't stand the label. And you know, for me, it isn't because I've been told that bisexuality is just the last step before coming out, no...I get told that I'm just experimenting before I end up in a straight relationship permanently. "It's a phase, it's a rebellion," or so most of the people around me would like to believe who aren't in my closest circle of friends. To slightly paraphrase a lovely little gay fluff pic, "But she's a cheerleader!", she can't like women! Well you know, just because the people here can't seem to break their stereotype of what a lesbian or bisexual is certainly doesn't mean that I'm going to suddenly cease being one. To be honest, I'm 70:30 in terms of my attractions...and that 70% favors women.


Well there's an interesting double standard of sorts with bisexuality and men and women.

For men it's the last stop before gaytown.

For women? It's the last stop before straightown....

At least that's how it seems. Either way - it's annoying.

[bretonbanquet]

We better capture and tag you, so we can track your movements. It's important that we study endangered Ledge species so that we can better understand them and their habitat, and perhaps gain insight as to why their numbers are so low...

:laugh: I was beginning to figure I was one of a small group here, for sure :D I migrated from the pre-Rumours section, not a common route to this part of the world.. I suspect I got lost on the way to the Peter Green section, and just eventually decided this was the right place to be :nod: :p

[Johnny Stew]

Well there's an interesting double standard of sorts with bisexuality and men and women.

For men it's the last stop before gaytown.

For women? It's the last stop before straightown....

At least that's how it seems. Either way - it's annoying.There have been studies that show that men who identify themselves as bisexual in their teens and twenties, on average, ultimately identify themselves as exclusively homosexual later on.

But, of course, they're only dealing with averages there, and every individual is different.

[goldustsongbird]

GGW makes me sick.

That and other things like it are having horrible repercussions in society methinks. I know, I know, many here get pissed/annoyed when people blame media for societal woes...but my sister teaches sixth grade and she's caught no less than three different pairs of girls making out because the boys paid them....

When asked where they even though to do that....they almost always say tv...it's sad.

Anyway...I'm completely hypocritical because I am so wary of any woman who claims to be bi, and I have trouble dating them...because I've been screwed over one too many times...the whole "sexual orientation" game gets old after a while....really I'd just like to find someone I connect with who is not a psycho.

Sixth ****ing grade? Get out. I agree with wanting to connect with someone who isn't a psycho, though. ;)

[Johnny Stew]

You are a 10, baby!:lol:Thanks... but I pay you good money to say that! :p ;) :xoxo:

[BlackWidow]

Thanks... but I pay you good money to say that! :p ;) :xoxo:

check in the mail?:lol:

[BlackWidow]

There have been studies that show that men who identify themselves as bisexual in their teens and twenties, on average, ultimately identify themselves as exclusively homosexual later on.

But, of course, they're only dealing with averages there, and every individual is different.

I agree. It's hard to see that when you're in your twenties.

[DrummerDeanna]

There have been studies that show that men who identify themselves as bisexual in their teens and twenties, on average, ultimately identify themselves as exclusively homosexual later on.

But, of course, they're only dealing with averages there, and every individual is different.

Oh I know...and I know there's evidence to back up these "stereotypes" but for those of us who don't fall into that it's somewhat frustrating.


Sixth ****ing grade? Get out. I agree with wanting to connect with someone who isn't a psycho, though.

Sixth grade, I kid you not...though actually my sister has not had to deal with that this school year - but last year she kept busting boys for paying girls to make out...the girls would also get busted :rolleyes:


Someone not psycho lol...this is where my standards have landed...oh and someone who's not a bloody liar would also be a plus.

[foxyluva]

Someone not psycho lol...this is where my standards have landed...oh and someone who's not a bloody liar would also be a plus.

Hell, I'll take anyone at this point :laugh:

[AliceLover]

Jimmy, it is hard being gay. Not saying it's not hard for other people or as hard as other people, but it's hard. As long as we are oppressed and kept from reaching our full potential and happiness and as along as people like that basketball dude feel like they can spew vitriol at us as a group and suffer minimal consequences, then it's okay to say it is hard. Otherwise, you would be able to be at an all boys school and be out of the closet, find other gay guys to be friends/bf's with, etc.

Things have gotten a lot better. Your generation has it better than my generation, which has it a lot better than the generation before me. Just that fact that you are semi-out and can talk to other gay people on this board is light years better than I had it. I was out when I was 16-17, but I had to sneak into gay bars and my "friends" were 35 year old gay dudes trying to deflower me.

But....it's hard. You should be able to be open with all of your friends and it shouldn't be a big deal to anyone.


Its a lot easier said than done. If I came out tomorrow at school it would just be disastrous. I am a very quiet person in real life. I am VERY shy and I hate talking in front of people. I try to make sure everyone likes me. I really hate that I have to hold this in, but I just don't have the guts. I wish there was never any hate towards us. Its REALLY uncomfortable sometimes. I don't know what my friends would do. Thats a whole other story.

[SteveMacD]

Straight...though any way you look at it, I'm not gettin' any! But, I couldn't put "asexual" only because I'm not opposed to the idea of gettin' some. I'm just too busy, and frankly too tired of dealing with people all day to go out for that at night.

[foxyluva]

Its a lot easier said than done. If I came out tomorrow at school it would just be disastrous. I am a very quiet person in real life. I am VERY shy and I hate talking in front of people. I try to make sure everyone likes me. I really hate that I have to hold this in, but I just don't have the guts. I wish there was never any hate towards us. Its REALLY uncomfortable sometimes. I don't know what my friends would do. Thats a whole other story.

Dude, thats what its like for me with my family - friends are the easy part...

[Johnny Stew]

check in the mail?:lol:I have a feeling you'd prefer 'The Czech Is In The Male.' :nod:

[AliceLover]

Dude, thats what its like for me with my family - friends are the easy part...

Yeah, it must be. I'm glad I have some people to talk to!

[michaelD]

Straight...
Loving wife, and 2 great kids!

[BlackWidow]

Its a lot easier said than done. If I came out tomorrow at school it would just be disastrous. I am a very quiet person in real life. I am VERY shy and I hate talking in front of people. I try to make sure everyone likes me. I really hate that I have to hold this in, but I just don't have the guts. I wish there was never any hate towards us. Its REALLY uncomfortable sometimes. I don't know what my friends would do. Thats a whole other story.

Take a deep breath and know you are not alone.
You will find out very quickly who loves you and who your REAL FRIENDS are.
Be glad you found out..now you can focus on strengthening the bonds you have with the people who really do care about you. Think of how free you will be to truly be yourself for the first time. It will only be "disastrous"..if you THINK it will be. You will create it. People get how to treat you..from you.
I wish there would never be any hate towards anyone too. There is also something called self hatred which is actually the worst of all. It keeps people shy and in the corner worrying about what everyone one will do, think and say..while your life slips slowly by....
People in this world need you. We need you to love yourself so that you can be the change. Be the change you want to create. Everytime one of us..gets that..you pave the way for some other kid in a corner...who thinks he can't either. Things are never as "disastrous" as the pictures we paint in our own minds about worst case scenarios. What if you actually became the person you were brought here to be? :)

[BlackWidow]

Actually, I think it goes:

1. The Ledge
2. Walt Disney World
3. San Francisco

:nod: :nod: :nod:

[camchristo]

Straight here.

[seeker007nmss]

Its a lot easier said than done. If I came out tomorrow at school it would just be disastrous. I am a very quiet person in real life. I am VERY shy and I hate talking in front of people. I try to make sure everyone likes me. I really hate that I have to hold this in, but I just don't have the guts. I wish there was never any hate towards us. Its REALLY uncomfortable sometimes. I don't know what my friends would do. Thats a whole other story.

Straight here. Hope this story helps alittle. I had a longtime friend "come out" to a group of friends and it was kinda funny (now). He hinted that he had something very important to tell us and didn't know how. (He had been married had a kid, divorced...etc). He said he would tell us later. We had no idea what it was. We asked each other if anyone had any idea what was going on, and no one did. He seemed so serious. When he finally told us he was gay, we all sat there and said and?..... He said that was it. We were like. That's it? THANK GOD! we thought you had cancer or were dying or something! It was the biggest "no big deal" big deal he had to go through. He was petrified after knowing each of us for over 20 years on how we would react. None of us could care less. In fact we started teasing him by pointing out cute guys. "Now that you're single how about that guy?" It changed absolutly nothing with these friends.

So your true friends will always be your friends, If they bail on you over this, you don't need them. :nod:

[DrummerDeanna]

^
That is a great story...! I'm glad that there are guys like you and your friends out there who aren't macho assholes about the whole thing.

And your story reminded me of Steel Magnolias...there's a scene in which Clairee is telling the story of how her nephew came out to his parents...

"Marshall walks in and without even a hello he says mom and dad I have something to tell you, I have a brain tumor, I have six months to live. Well naturally Drew and Belle became hysterical, then he says - Hey folks I'm only kidding...I'm just gay!" :lol:

[seeker007nmss]

^
That is a great story...! I'm glad that there are guys like you and your friends out there who aren't macho assholes about the whole thing.

And your story reminded me of Steel Magnolias...there's a scene in which Clairee is telling the story of how her nephew came out to his parents...

"Marshall walks in and without even a hello he says mom and dad I have something to tell you, I have a brain tumor, I have six months to live. Well naturally Drew and Belle became hysterical, then he says - Hey folks I'm only kidding...I'm just gay!" :lol:


I may get boooed for this but..... I have never seen that movie. *ducks* :shrug:

[carrie721]

I may get boooed for this but..... I have never seen that movie. *ducks* :shrug:

look out. deanna can quote that movie line for line.

[DrummerDeanna]

I may get boooed for this but..... I have never seen that movie. *ducks* :shrug:

Oh I figured, which is why I wrote out the scene :lol:


look out. deanna can quote that movie line for line.

I think I'm getting rusty...I couldn't remember some of the exact wording in the above exchange...my life is sad. :laugh:

[BlackWidow]

Straight here. Hope this story helps alittle. I had a longtime friend "come out" to a group of friends and it was kinda funny (now). He hinted that he had something very important to tell us and didn't know how. (He had been married had a kid, divorced...etc). He said he would tell us later. We had no idea what it was. We asked each other if anyone had any idea what was going on, and no one did. He seemed so serious. When he finally told us he was gay, we all sat there and said and?..... He said that was it. We were like. That's it? THANK GOD! we thought you had cancer or were dying or something! It was the biggest "no big deal" big deal he had to go through. He was petrified after knowing each of us for over 20 years on how we would react. None of us could care less. In fact we started teasing him by pointing out cute guys. "Now that you're single how about that guy?" It changed absolutly nothing with these friends.

So your true friends will always be your friends, If they bail on you over this, you don't need them. :nod:

so true ... my point exactly. this generation has been primed to be the most accepting of any generation thus far. ride the wave. make a difference.

[goldie]

Straight ......... married for 7 years if that counts, too.

[BlackWidow]

I have a feeling you'd prefer 'The Czech Is In The Male.' :nod:

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :xoxo: