An Official Fleetwood Mac Album Debate

[Madness Fades]

It is in my opinion that No FM album come quite close to that of "Tusk"
It is possibly their greatest work. I dont think they have ever or will ever create an album to rival it.

I am interested to hear someone say fleetwood mac have a better album than Tusk.

[danax6]

You won't hear me saying that. So I guess I have nothing to add to this debate, since we agree. But I will say that I thought SYW was a great and surprising endeavor also. Tusk was surprising because it followed Rumours, it sort of had a 'hah, gotcha' feeling to it, just like Lindsey wanted it, but SYW came from a band who hadn't really done any new music together since 1987, and still managed to make a splendid album. So we shouldn't forget that one either, no matter how many people will argue that it was more of a Lindsey solo album mixed in with stuff from other band members. Both Tusk and TITN were like that, so that argument doesn't hold up anymore.

Btw, shouldn't this be in the Rumours folder?

[Madness Fades]

Oh yeah can we move it.....
bummer !!

[shackin'up]

Tusk is the best album ever recorded by anyone.

[Madness Fades]

This is totally the least most debatable topic ever. ever !!!!
Shakin up - you're right !

and thats concludes todays heated debate,
join us tomorrow folks for another thrilling topic.
take care of yourself and each other...thanks for watching jerry springer.

[danax6]

Tusk is the best album ever recorded by anyone.Quite possibly, though I wouldn't go that far. ;)

[Sarah]

I don't really want to discuss this on the Rumours board, really. The people are all fine, it's just that there are so many.. and this stuff always turns into a Stevie-skew.

That being said, I will follow the other replies and say that Tusk is the best. I like everything on Tusk, except Sara, really. And there's nothing wrong with Sara.. I think it's beautiful. Poetic. I just get tired of it about 5 seconds in. Unfortunate that my favorite parts fall in the middle; I never make an effort to skip to the point where it starts getting good.

And I partially agree on SYW. Everybody sounds great together after all this time.. But the songs just aren't so great to me as most people generally talk them up to be. I understand that this will rub some people wrong, and I'm not trying to take away from anyone's enjoyment of the Mac's triumphant return, but. No. There are a few really great songs.. Thrown Down, Miranda, Peacekeeper, Smile At You, and EFO in particular. Solid, but.. it's kind of evident to me listening to the GLAAD version of Peacekeeper. That version is so much better than the SYW, and that's really unfortunate. Plus, it sucks live.

My other problems with SYW: WTWCT needs a little somethin' for Lindsey's voice. Illume makes me want to barf (not what it's about, but the actual song itself). Say You Will zzzzz what? huh? sorry, i dozed. That whole 10-year-long noodling solo at the end of BTLH, wtf, come on now. The overall sound of Stevie's voice on Destiny Rules, nasal, wobbly. And I'm not mentioning the fact that Silver Girl is the single worst FM song ever, and to drop right after a bomb like RTTG? WTF-ingF? There's your track order problem. It's like, "whoa, hey, where did this stevie song come from? she's really got it back! And Lindsey just blistered that ending!" And then "what is this crap?" "~*it's not crap*~".

Really, SYW is just not up to Tusk. IMO, production-wise, the idea was there. The songs just aren't. And honestly, I think Stevie needs to pick it up. The SYW songs just weren't there. Sweet Girl on the Dance was so good.. you'd think there would be more songs from around the same time. I guess TD, RTTG, and EFO are all we're gonna get.

I don't know what album I would rank 2nd. If it counts, maybe Live. But that's Tusk tour, sooo. Tusk it is. There isn't one better. And without Christine, there probably won't be, no matter how much slack lindsey picks up.

Flame away if you must, but that's how I feel about it and you can't change my mind.

[#1LiddyBuckFan]

Tusk is truly a masterpiece.

[gretchen]

Tusk is a masterwork... plain and simply, superb.:nod:

[gretchen]

Crap, my sigpic isn't working.

[strandinthewind]

For the "five" era -

I think Rumors is their best record. I love all the song on it and they were all just so great.

Tusk is a cool record, but they sound like less of a band on it.

I LOVE Mirage for Stevie's and CM's songs.

TITN was cool in that 80's glossy way and SYW was just okay with me.

[mylittledemon]

It is in my opinion that No FM album come quite close to that of "Tusk"
It is possibly their greatest work. I dont think they have ever or will ever create an album to rival it.

I am interested to hear someone say fleetwood mac have a better album than Tusk.

I actually like "Rumours", "Tusk" and "The Dance" all about the same....for different reasons...but about the same level of enjoyment all around.

[trackaghost]

Tusk is the best album ever recorded by anyone.

I agree!



And I partially agree on SYW. Everybody sounds great together after all this time.. But the songs just aren't so great to me as most people generally talk them up to be. I understand that this will rub some people wrong, and I'm not trying to take away from anyone's enjoyment of the Mac's triumphant return, but. No. There are a few really great songs.. Thrown Down, Miranda, Peacekeeper, Smile At You, and EFO in particular. Solid, but.. it's kind of evident to me listening to the GLAAD version of Peacekeeper. That version is so much better than the SYW, and that's really unfortunate. Plus, it sucks live.



I think SYW is great but I do kinda agree. In many ways it feels like two solo albums stuck together, there's no real flow. It was originally intended as a double album and I often wonder if it would have worked better than way.
I do love it though, and yeah, I agree they should have chosen a different song to Peacekeeper to perform on the SYW tour for sure.

[shackin'up]

I think SYW is great but I do kinda agree. In many ways it feels like two solo albums stuck together, there's no real flow. It was originally intended as a double album and I often wonder if it would have worked better than way.



I am still totally convinced that it would have worked better as a doublepackage. It was Lindsey's intention all the way, and he had to abort the vision he had from the beginning of the project. NEVER again crossfade the vision of genius.:mad:

[danax6]

I am still totally convinced that it would have worked better as a doublepackage. It was Lindsey's intention all the way, and he had to abort the vision he had from the beginning of the project. NEVER again crossfade the vision of genius.:mad:I agree on that. I do think it would have been even better as a double album, it would've at least left more room. It all seems squished together now. However, that doesn't take away that I think it's still a great album. Maybe because I usually don't listen to the album in order, I just put it on 'shuffle'. The only really, really bad track on it is Silver Girl. Peacekeeper might sound dull live, that doesn't have anything to do with the album itself. And as I mentioned once before, the argument that it sounds like two solo albums thrown together doesn't hold up either. For one, listening to Thrown Down WOS and then to the SYW version, there's a world of difference. Lindsey made Stevie's songs to fit his own ones. Secondly, you could say that about Tusk and TITN also, both Lindsey albums with a flavor of the other members thrown in. And they are ALL great ones.

[shackin'up]

And as I mentioned once before, the argument that it sounds like two solo albums thrown together doesn't hold up either. Lindsey made Stevie's songs to fit his own ones. Secondly, you could say that about Tusk and TITN also, both Lindsey albums with a flavor of the other members thrown in. And they are ALL great ones.


Well, I'm sorry Vanessa, but I think TITN is their worst album. I really don't like it as a whole although I was friggin' dancing when it came out. In hindsight, it's a very poor album compared to SYW. I agree on the fact that the solo-album argument doesn't hold. I've never listened to the album that way. I just can't flush away the idea that it is an aborted double album. I tend to hear/feel that when I listen to it in it's full length. There's a friction somewhere.

[danax6]

Well, I'm sorry Vanessa, but I think TITN is their worst album. I really don't like it as a whole although I was friggin' dancing when it came out. In hindsight, it's a very poor album compared to SYW. I agree on the fact that the solo-album argument doesn't hold. I've never listened to the album that way. I just can't flush away the idea that it is an aborted double album. I tend to hear/feel that when I listen to it in it's full length. There's a friction somewhere.I love TITN, although it's a very, very dated album. There are more stinkers on there than SYW and Tusk (heck, Tusk has NO stinkers), but overall I still love it. Then again, I am one of the few that really loves When I See You Again also. I guess I'm weird? ;)

[strandinthewind]

I love TITN, although it's a very, very dated album. There are more stinkers on there than SYW and Tusk (heck, Tusk has NO stinkers), but overall I still love it. Then again, I am one of the few that really loves When I See You Again also. I guess I'm weird? ;)

I think Tusk has some stinkers - namingly The Ledge. But, to each their own AND I liske "When I See You Again" as well, though I think the "baby" fest ruins the song.

[BTFLCHLD]

I am still totally convinced that it would have worked better as a doublepackage. I disagree. :D

Bottom line, Lindsey does what he wants to do. SYW is my favorite...followed by a tie: Rumours and Tusk.

<object width="160" height="160"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/0k5rg9earUA"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/0k5rg9earUA" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="160" height="160"></embed></object>

[shackin'up]

I disagree. :D

Bottom line, Lindsey does what he wants to do.


That's bull:D .

He definately took his loss in the double-album case. You cannot state that it was his own idea or what he wanted to do. He wanted a double-album. There's no discussion possible. Or do you think it was a total set-up to make a main topic for Destiny rules?:eek:

[gretchen]

I am one of the few that really loves When I See You Again also. I guess I'm weird? ;)

You're not weird!! I like that song too, but Stevie's voice is a little shaky in some sections...I mainly love the part where Linds is singing at the end with that beautiful little guitar thing as the song fades off.:)

[Johnny Stew]

He definately took his loss in the double-album case. You cannot state that it was his own idea or what he wanted to do. He wanted a double-album. There's no discussion possible.Ultimately it was Lindsey's idea to release it as a single album. In the documentary he states that in order for them to release it as a double-album and for him to not lose a "f*** of a lot of money" in the process, the band would have had to tour for at least two years, record another album and then tour again. So he decided that the risk of things falling through, and the band not continuing to tour past the initial 40 dates, was too great to take.

It may not have been what he originally conceived for the album, but it was his decision to not release a double.

I think the smartest thing would have been to first release a more radio-friendly, "classic Fleetwood Mac" sounding album ("Thrown Down," "Bleed To Love Her," etc.) with about 13 tracks and tour to support it. Then take a few months off the road, release a second, edgier batch of 13 songs ("Murrow," "Illume," etc.), and then go out on the road again.
Fans would have had two Mac albums in the span of a year, the rest of FM and the record company would have had their more commercially viable album, and Lindsey would have had his "envelope-pushing" album.

[shackin'up]

Ultimately it was Lindsey's idea to release it as a single album. In the documentary he states that in order for them to release it as a double-album and for him to not lose a "f*** of a lot of money" in the process, the band would have had to tour for at least two years, record another album and then tour again. So he decided that the risk of things falling through, and the band not continuing to tour past the initial 40 dates, was too great to take.

It may not have been what he originally conceived for the album, but it was his decision to not release a double.

I think the smartest thing would have been to first release a more radio-friendly, "classic Fleetwood Mac" sounding album ("Thrown Down," "Bleed To Love Her," etc.) with about 13 tracks and tour to support it. Then take a few months off the road, release a second, edgier batch of 13 songs ("Murrow," "Illume," etc.), and then go out on the road again.
Fans would have had two Mac albums in the span of a year, the rest of FM and the record company would have had their more commercially viable album, and Lindsey would have had his "envelope-pushing" album.

Of course it was not only HIS decision. It was HIS decision in the end, yes, but the pressure was laid on him by the rest of the band and their managers. In the end it was his decision, yes.:rolleyes:

But The idea of the two albums is interesting. On the other hand, Lindsey always tries to mix radiofriendlyness with off-mainstreamtracks in the FM-setting, as we all know. So I don't think he'd ever choose such a strategy.

[chiliD]

...but the pressure was laid on him by the rest of the band and their managers.

Well, Fleetwood Mac IS a BAND...it's not "Lindsey Buckingham" under a pseudonym. I think Lindsey himself forgets that fact sometimes.

[Little Nicki]

Well, Fleetwood Mac IS a BAND...it's not "Lindsey Buckingham" under a pseudonym. I think Lindsey himself forgets that fact sometimes.
That is an extremely good point that I think we Lindsey fans always loose sight of. I forget exactly how it all went down in Destiny Rules, but if nobody else in the band wants a double album or whatever else, then there is no reason why it should happen. Still, screw the label.

[shackin'up]

Well, Fleetwood Mac IS a BAND...it's not "Lindsey Buckingham" under a pseudonym. I think Lindsey himself forgets that fact sometimes.


Very true, But he has always compromised but fought for his part until the end. His opinion stands alone in many cases, so he goes for the maximum. And I don't think he forgets that fact, Chili: his repetative speaches underline what you said: that FM IS a band, and he knows is more of a political situation. And hearing the Backingvocals, arrangements and very tasteful guitarwork on the songs of the girls speak enough Bandcommitment to my ears.

[chiliD]

And I don't think he forgets that fact, Chili: his repetative speaches underline what you said: that FM IS a band, and he knows is more of a political situation.


True, he SAYS those things, but that doesn't mean he LIKES the situation. As far back as Rumours (maybe even before that), Mick kept confronting Lindsey about it BEING a band and that he wasn't always going to get "his way".

[shackin'up]

True, he SAYS those things, but that doesn't mean he LIKES the situation. As far back as Rumours (maybe even before that), Mick kept confronting Lindsey about it BEING a band and that he wasn't always going to get "his way".

Yes, it is a stubborn and fulforce goalgetter. But doesn't every team get better by one? Especially if he IS playing together a lot.

[chiliD]

Yes, it is a stubborn and fulforce goalgetter. But doesn't every team get better by one?

No.

(example: Kobe Bryant & the Los Angeles Lakers)

[Johnny Stew]

Of course it was not only HIS decision. It was HIS decision in the end, yes, but the pressure was laid on him by the rest of the band and their managers. In the end it was his decision, yes.:rolleyes: By that point, the rest of the band had agreed to a double album. Stevie basically said in the doc that she wasn't wild about the idea, but that they all wanted Lindsey to be happy (giving the baby his bottle, perhaps? ;) ).

So, by that point, I don't think there was any pressure from the rest of the band to release a single album. They had worked out the financial logistics and it appeared to be full-steam ahead.

[shackin'up]

No.

(example: Kobe Bryant & the Los Angeles Lakers)

You left out a crucial part of my quote. That makes the example irrelevant. You can't say Lindsey's JUST a goalgetter with onely himself in mind. Listen to the music. This has to be a teamplayer too.

[shackin'up]

By that point, the rest of the band had agreed to a double album. Stevie basically said in the doc that she wasn't wild about the idea, but that they all wanted Lindsey to be happy (giving the baby his bottle, perhaps? ;) ).

So, by that point, I don't think there was any pressure from the rest of the band to release a single album. They had worked out the financial logistics and it appeared to be full-steam ahead.

Come on Johnny. The guy stepped in the whole project with the double album in mind. He fought it and lost, because he had to "eat" a big share of his money. The others agreed only on it those terms, I'm sure. In the end he got to the point that that would be a little too much. Not very strong, I know.

[Little Nicki]

We get it - Gerald will defend Lindsey to the death and Mr. Stew will soil Lindsey's name to the death. He doesn't need to be a god or a bastard. Can't he just be an okay guy?

[Johnny Stew]

We get it - Gerald will defend Lindsey to the death and Mr. Stew will soil Lindsey's name to the death. He doesn't need to be a god or a bastard. Can't he just be an okay guy?I don't happen to think he's the completely selfless, "money means nothing -- it's all about the art" guy that others seem to think he is... but I don't see how I've "soiled" his name in any way, shape or form.

[shackin'up]

We get it - Gerald will defend Lindsey to the death and Mr. Stew will soil Lindsey's name to the death. He doesn't need to be a god or a bastard. Can't he just be an okay guy?

I'll only defend him against people who think he's a bastard or "just an okay guy", which I'm sure he'll even hate more than people who soil him.:laugh:

Come on, little nicky, I don't think the guy is flawless. I hate TITN for instance. But people like Stew and Strand can push me to the limits, because they always come up with Nicks-comparisons. That's working like a red cloth before a bull on me. And the fact that any discussion about his art is tresspassed by them with arguments concerning his marketingchoices. I can't stand that.

[estranged4life]

Tusk is the best album ever recorded by anyone.

"the best album by anyone", depending on what musical mood I am currently in.

[shackin'up]

"the best album by anyone", depending on what musical mood I am currently in.

well, the first two Masters of Reality-album ranked high for me too, as did a Buffalo Tom and Screaming Trees-album, but still, Tusk survived all new musical discoveries I did in the last three decades. It still is a remarkable piece of art. And I fully underline the fact that it's been tagged lately as a indie-rock-album avant-la-lettre.

[TheWILDheart]

I am going to be shot for this:

I think that Tusk is only worth it for the following songs:

Sara
Angel
Sisters of The Moon
Beautiful Child
Tusk
Never Forget
Think About Me
The Ledge
That's Enough For Me

As albums, I prefer the White Album, Rumours AND Mirage. Tango In The Night, although has some knock outs, was pretty dull. I don't like what was happening to the band on this album and I think it is really clear that they were falling apart on TITN. Say You Will is brilliant IMO - better than Tusk. Would've been better if Christine was present but there ya go.

In terms of significance, I don't think we would have a Fleetwood Mac today if it wasn't for Tusk. I think if Tusk had been just a Rumours 2 then they would've called it quits after Mirage. It is the most significant album in anyone's career - EVER! Bella Donna is the greatest album ever recorded, closely followed by Rumours.

[Little Nicki]

I think that Tusk is only worth it for the following songs:

Sara
Angel
Sisters of The Moon
Beautiful Child
Tusk
Never Forget
Think About Me
The Ledge
That's Enough For Me

...

Bella Donna is the greatest album ever recorded, closely followed by Rumours.

Then we're even. For me, Bella Donna has about three pretty great songs, and the rest are just god awful, useless tracks. To a lesser extent, same with Rumours.

[Johnny Stew]

But people like Stew and Strand can push me to the limits, because they always come up with Nicks-comparisons. That's working like a red cloth before a bull on me. And the fact that any discussion about his art is tresspassed by them with arguments concerning his marketingchoices. I can't stand that.I think Strand and I only disagree with the assertion that, for Lindsey, it's ALL about the art.

And any Nicks/Buckingham comparisons... at least where I'm concerned, as I can't speak for Strand... are only made for the sake of debate. Notice that I never compare their music -- only their business choices.

[strandinthewind]

I think Strand and I only disagree with the assertion that, for Lindsey, it's ALL about the art.

And any Nicks/Buckingham comparisons... at least where I'm concerned, as I can't speak for Strand... are only made for the sake of debate. Notice that I never compare their music -- only their business choices.

I agree.

:cool: :cool: :cool:

[shackin'up]

Oh come on guys, compared to Mick and Stevie it is basicly all about the art in Lindsey's book. You guys are NEVER going in discussion with me ABOUT his art. You counter me ALWAYS with those marketingchoices. Lindsey himself has NEVER told anyone that it is ALL about the art. Besides the cycles and painting/filmmaking his most used adagium is "the double-edged sword" that the mac is for him. DOUBLE edged. that means TWO sides dudes, not one. But in his book, HE has to push the limits on the artistic side, simply because the commercial side is "over-present" in the band. It is simply his role. And I love him for that. And you should too.

[chiliD]

... HE has to push the limits on the artistic side, simply because the commercial side is "over-present" in the band. It .

Oh, yeah...when was the last "overly commercial" Fleetwood Mac album? Oh, yeah...40 years ago. I think Lindsey's pendulum is a bit stuck in the "artsy" side...I think it is time he just pulled all the stops and went (in the words of Frank Zappa) "totally commercial".

[shackin'up]

Oh, yeah...when was the last "overly commercial" Fleetwood Mac album? Oh, yeah...40 years ago. I think Lindsey's pendulum is a bit stuck in the "artsy" side...I think it is time he just pulled all the stops and went (in the words of Frank Zappa) "totally commercial".

Don't you remember the Dance? Blocked it out huh?:lol:

[Johnny Stew]

Oh come on guys, compared to Mick and Stevie it is basicly all about the art in Lindsey's book. You guys are NEVER going in discussion with me ABOUT his art. You counter me ALWAYS with those marketingchoices. Lindsey himself has NEVER told anyone that it is ALL about the art. Besides the cycles and painting/filmmaking his most used adagium is "the double-edged sword" that the mac is for him. DOUBLE edged. that means TWO sides dudes, not one. But in his book, HE has to push the limits on the artistic side, simply because the commercial side is "over-present" in the band. It is simply his role. And I love him for that. And you should too.I don't know, Gerald... as much as I love his music, sometimes it just seems to me that it's not really a matter of him HAVING to push limits in Fleetwood Mac, but that he's instead just being contrary. Like he makes it much more difficult than it ever needs to be. 'Destiny Rules' really opened my eyes to that.

And I think I've discussed Lindsey's art plenty of times around here... what I love, what I don't like (which I usually get chastized for), and so on. But perhaps I haven't done that enough in the eyes of some, and that's why my other comments are met with suspicion.

Guess I just figured the fact that I've been a fan for over 20 years, that I named myself after one of Lindsey's songs, and that I have every recording he's ever released (and then some) was proof enough that I'm a "true fan."

[shackin'up]

I don't know, Gerald... as much as I love his music, sometimes it just seems to me that it's not really a matter of him HAVING to push limits in Fleetwood Mac, but that he's instead just being contrary. Like he makes it much more difficult than it ever needs to be. 'Destiny Rules' really opened my eyes to that.

And I think I've discussed Lindsey's art plenty of times around here... what I love, what I don't like (which I usually get chastized for), and so on. But perhaps I haven't done that enough in the eyes of some, and that's why my other comments are met with suspicion.

Guess I just figured the fact that I've been a fan for over 20 years, that I named myself after one of Lindsey's songs, and that I have every recording he's ever released (and then some) was proof enough that I'm a "true fan."

You definately are dude, The only time I really questioned that I excused for it. And I understand what you're saying about that suspicion. I suffer from that myself. But you also understand where that suspicion comes from, dont you? It is remarkable that you like Lindsey's most MOR-songs more than his edgy ones. Although I have always wondered why you chose this name, because it doesn't match with the image I have of your LB-taste. On the other hand, my name comes from his most commercial song ever.:lol:

[Johnny Stew]

You definately are dude, The only time I really questioned that I excused for it. And I understand what you're saying about that suspicion. I suffer from that myself. But you also understand where that suspicion comes from, dont you? It is remarkable that you like Lindsey's most MOR-songs more than his edgy ones. Although I have always wondered why you chose this name, because it doesn't match with the image I have of your LB-taste. On the other hand, my name comes from his most commercial song ever.:lol:I think there's definitely a misconception about my preferences regarding Lindsey's songs, so here's my top ten....

Murrow Turning Over In His Grave
Someone's Gotta Change Your Mind
Bleed To Love Her
The Ledge
D.W. Suite
That's All For Everyone
Turn It On
I Know I'm Not Wrong
Under The Skin
Miranda

And I had to leave off so many more.
I'll grant you that some of my faves are MOR, but overall I lean more towards Lindsey's quirkier, uptempo songs. I'm just not a fan of three of the "bigger" songs most LB fans point to most often -- "Save Me A Place," "Shut Us Down," and "Not Too Late."
Ironic that they seem to be the favored tracks, since they're all slower songs!

[Villavic]

It is in my opinion that No FM album come quite close to that of "Tusk"
It is possibly their greatest work. I dont think they have ever or will ever create an album to rival it.

I am interested to hear someone say fleetwood mac have a better album than Tusk.

Interesting how you posted this in the Lindsey forum, not the Rumours one (forum that could be the most popular FM forum).

I think Tusk is the best LINDSEY work, not necessarily the best Fleetwood Mac work. Actually in my opinion Tusk was too Lindsey.

IMHO, my favorite is Rumours. You could say I'm too pop, too commercial, but I adore that album. And all the members made better contributions to the album.

[SortaSavageLike]

IMHO, my favorite is Rumours. You could say I'm too pop, too commercial, but I adore that album. And all the members made better contributions to the album.

I like Stevie's Tusk songs better than her Rumours ones. At least, she wasn't fighting a head cold on any of them. And I don't hear any of Lindsey's Tusk songs played on the radio or in grocery stores every day. Or Christine's for that matter. :rolleyes:

[goldustsongbird]

Or Christine's for that matter. :rolleyes:

And yet they should be. What, you wouldn't want to listen to Think About Me while groping oranges in the fruit aisle?

[shackin'up]

I think there's definitely a misconception about my preferences regarding Lindsey's songs, so here's my top ten....

Murrow Turning Over In His Grave
Someone's Gotta Change Your Mind
Bleed To Love Her
The Ledge
D.W. Suite
That's All For Everyone
Turn It On
I Know I'm Not Wrong
Under The Skin
Miranda

And I had to leave off so many more.
I'll grant you that some of my faves are MOR, but overall I lean more towards Lindsey's quirkier, uptempo songs. I'm just not a fan of three of the "bigger" songs most LB fans point to most often -- "Save Me A Place," "Shut Us Down," and "Not Too Late."
Ironic that they seem to be the favored tracks, since they're all slower songs!


Well, Shut Us Down is -clearly- one of my fave tracks ever. But Not Too Late is not amongst them, although I love it. I just defended Lindsey's choice to choose it as a flagship. Weird how this board can work on the perception people have of you?

But then again, today, my top ten would be:

Shut Us Down
I Know I'm Not Wrong
I'm So Afraid
Johnny Stew
Play In The Rain
Not That Funny
What Makes You Think You're The One
Loving Cup
Shuffle Riff
Save Me A Place

ok, tomorrow it could be diff.

But still....quite another list.....

[trackaghost]

I think there's definitely a misconception about my preferences regarding Lindsey's songs, so here's my top ten....

Murrow Turning Over In His Grave
Someone's Gotta Change Your Mind
Bleed To Love Her
The Ledge
D.W. Suite
That's All For Everyone
Turn It On
I Know I'm Not Wrong
Under The Skin
Miranda

And I had to leave off so many more.
I'll grant you that some of my faves are MOR, but overall I lean more towards Lindsey's quirkier, uptempo songs. I'm just not a fan of three of the "bigger" songs most LB fans point to most often -- "Save Me A Place," "Shut Us Down," and "Not Too Late."
Ironic that they seem to be the favored tracks, since they're all slower songs!

Wow, I'm impressed that The Ledge is in there. That's one of my faves too.
Shut Us Down would top my list these days though.

[chiliD]

Don't you remember the Dance? Blocked it out huh?:lol:

"Hits" albums always sell well, which is basically what The Dance was/is. Didn't hear any of the "new" songs get radio airplay. If it weren't for their archaeological work in dredging up a long-forgotten Rumours outtake, I doubt the album would've sold that well. As is, the whole thing was fueled by good marketing. If they'd just released the album without the MTV video, would've gone into rigor-mortis by week three.

[shackin'up]

"Hits" albums always sell well, which is basically what The Dance was/is. Didn't hear any of the "new" songs get radio airplay. If it weren't for their archaeological work in dredging up a long-forgotten Rumours outtake, I doubt the album would've sold that well. As is, the whole thing was fueled by good marketing. If they'd just released the album without the MTV video, would've gone into rigor-mortis by week three.'

Whatever. It sold 4 million copies. You can give me all the backgroundstories you want, but I'd say it was a commercial blockbuster.

Tango was a commercial monster too. Not in the least due to it's first single. Although Christine's songs made THAT a blockbuster and commercially valid album too.

[danax6]

Tango was a commercial monster too. Not in the least due to it's first single. Although Christine's songs made THAT a blockbuster and commercially valid album too.Not just 'too', I'd say first and foremost. 'Everywhere' and 'Little Lies' are two of the best known FM songs, not to mention the most played on commercial radio, together with 'Go Your Own Way'. At least here. :nod:

[danax6]

Don't you remember the Dance? Blocked it out huh?:lol:The Dance was done ONLY for commercial purposes. Not an ounce of creativity or artsy fartsy intentions were poured into the Dance. It was created to sell as many copies as possible and make the members as much money as possible.

Still, it was a great endeavor though, you'll never hear me knocking down The Dance. :laugh:

[estranged4life]

well, the first two Masters of Reality-album ranked high for me too, as did a Buffalo Tom and Screaming Trees-album, but still, Tusk survived all new musical discoveries I did in the last three decades. It still is a remarkable piece of art. And I fully underline the fact that it's been tagged lately as a indie-rock-album avant-la-lettre.

how did I know Gerald would mention Mr.Goss/Masters of Reality? :thumbsup:

[Madness Fades]

Yeah i think this debarkle is going the way i want, because this was obviously intended for only albums that Lindsey was part of. Albums like "Time" and "Behind the Mask" Dont even come close to being good Fleetwood Mac Albums and thank god lindsey wasn't a part of them.

[Sarah]

I think that Tusk is only worth it for the following songs:

Sara
Angel
Sisters of The Moon
Beautiful Child
Tusk
Never Forget
Think About Me
The Ledge
That's Enough For Me

If you're going to get shot for that, then I'm going to the firing squad for this. I skip Stevie's Tusk songs (except sometimes SOTM or Angel).. and Chris's Tusk songs (except sometimes Brown Eyes, Honey Hi, & Never Forget).

The Ledge
Save Me A Place
What Makes You Think You're The One
That's All For Everyone
Not That Funny
That's Enough For Me
I Know I'm Not Wrong
Walk A Thin Line
Tusk

I wish Lindsey would do a remix of Tusk with just his songs.. re-order them however he feels, etc. And honestly, I gotta say.. I have no idea what people's love affair is with Sara (wokka wokka). When I was like 12, I had a few ~windchild~ type moments where I thought it was pretty good, but now.. it's close to being the most repetitive, grating, and boring p.o.s. song I've ever heard. If I could make 2 FM songs disappear forever from the entire FM catalogue, I'd choose Sara & Silver Girl. No question about it. puke.

[chiliD]

Yeah i think this debarkle is going the way i want, because this was obviously intended for only albums that Lindsey was part of. Albums like "Time" and "Behind the Mask" Dont even come close to being good Fleetwood Mac Albums and thank god lindsey wasn't a part of them.

That's where you're wrong. They're just as good as ANY Fleetwood Mac album. Yes, thank God, Lindsey wasn't a part of them...they wouldn't have been as good as they were if his whiny ass was at the sessions full-time. (If you read the liner notes carefully, you'll see that Lindsey is on one song on each album)

[Stew_Matthews]

As one or two posters have been a bit controversial, it's probably safe to post!

I think had Tusk been about 11 or 12 tracks long, it would have been their best work. I have a cut down version (my 11 favourites) that I love more than any other album. But the original album, as experimental as it is, as brilliantly produced as it is, just doesn't have the 'balance' of Rumours. Rumours has this wonderful flow from track to track. Tusk isn't like that - just as you get into the flow something comes 'left field' and breaks it up. However both Tusk and Rumours are in a completely different league to anything they have done collectively or individually (IMO!)

[BTFLCHLD]

Well, Shut Us Down is -clearly- one of my fave tracks ever.... Gerald, did we find out yet if Lindsey wrote the music or the lyrics or did he participate in both? I am curious and have asked Lindsey in the Q&A.

[shackin'up]

Gerald, did we find out yet if Lindsey wrote the music or the lyrics or did he participate in both? I am curious and have asked Lindsey in the Q&A.


Well, to be honest, that doesn't interest me enough to search for. But who can answer that better than the man himself? If he finds the time to actually answer those Q&A-questions....

[BTFLCHLD]

Well, to be honest, that doesn't interest me enough to search for. But who can answer that better than the man himself? If he finds the time to actually answer those Q&A-questions.... My curiosity was peaked when Cory Sipper noted that she co-wrote yet on Lindsey's CD there is no mention of her.

[shackin'up]

My curiosity was peaked when Cory Sipper noted that she co-wrote yet on Lindsey's CD there is no mention of her.

So she lied or our man is facing a lawsuit.

[Peestie]

My curiosity was peaked when Cory Sipper noted that she co-wrote yet on Lindsey's CD there is no mention of her.

Does it not say in it that it was written by Buckingham/Sipper? I never checked and the CDs at home at the minute so I can't check. What are the credits given on the Elizabethtown soundtrack?

[Johnny Stew]

Gerald, did we find out yet if Lindsey wrote the music or the lyrics or did he participate in both? I am curious and have asked Lindsey in the Q&A.I believe Nancy (sodascouts) talked to Cory and was told that she wrote the lyrics and Lindsey wrote the music.

My curiosity was peaked when Cory Sipper noted that she co-wrote yet on Lindsey's CD there is no mention of her.My copy of the liner notes say....

Tracks 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 9, 10, 11 Written by Lindsey Buckingham, ©2006 Now Sounds Publishing (ASCAP)
Track 4 Written by Mick Jagger and Keith Richards, ©1966 (Renewed) ABKCO Music, Inc. (BMI)
Track 6 Written by Donovan Leitch, ©1965 Donovan (Music) Limited. All Rights Admin. by Songs of Peer Ltd. (ASCAP)
Track 8 Written by Cory Sipper and Lindsey Buckingham, ©2006 Now Sounds Publishing (ASCAP)

[Johnny Stew]

The Dance was done ONLY for commercial purposes. Not an ounce of creativity or artsy fartsy intentions were poured into the Dance. It was created to sell as many copies as possible and make the members as much money as possible.I have an LA Times article from 1997, speculating on the "upcoming" Mac reunion and discussing the fact that the Fleetwood Mac name had been "diluted" by "replacements and weak musical efforts" after the departures of Lindsey & Stevie.

The journalist, and the music industry insiders he spoke to, all said that 'The Dance' was going to be FM's last big chance to redeem themselves, and that they needed to make people forget about the years between '88 and '96.
In fact, some insiders weren't sure that 'The Dance' would even be successful because of those years.

I'm not saying that I agree with that, but I do think that all involved (band members, managers, record company) felt that Fleetwood Mac needed to remind the general public of all of the amazing songs they had, before they could ever even consider putting out an album of all-new material.

Not to start another argument, but when considering all of the recent accusations levelled at her, it's interesting to note that Stevie was the only one who wrote a new song specifically for the 'Dance,' rather than just pulling out something she had already written.

[Sarah]

Not to start another argument, but when considering all of the recent accusations levelled at her, it's interesting to note that Stevie was the only one who wrote a new song specifically for the 'Dance,' rather than just pulling out something she had already written.

Sweet Girl? Based on the demo from Enchanted, I always figured that it was written earlier. I obviously don't know that for sure, it was just always my assumption.

[Johnny Stew]

Sweet Girl? Based on the demo from Enchanted, I always figured that it was written earlier. I obviously don't know that for sure, it was just always my assumption.No, it was written just a week prior to the band going into rehearsals for 'The Dance.'

From the 'Enchanted' liner notes....

This was the demo I did the last week of March, 1997, to take to rehearsal on April 1st for Fleetwood Mac's version of "Sweet Girl."
I thought you would enjoy hearing it in its first form.
Christopher recorded our friend Big Al playing all the guitars, and me and Lori singing, in our home studio in Paradise Valley.
We didn't have much time, and I wasn't leaving Phoenix without "Sweet Girl."

[chiliD]

The journalist, and the music industry insiders he spoke to, all said that 'The Dance' was going to be FM's last big chance to redeem themselves, and that they needed to make people forget about the years between '88 and '96.

What a load of crap. I wonder how much more respected Fleetwood Mac would've been had they told those "music industry insiders" to blow it out their asses?

[BTFLCHLD]

Track 8 Written by Cory Sipper and Lindsey Buckingham, ©2006 Now Sounds Publishing (ASCAP) :shocked: :sorry: I didn't see her name listed... apparently, I need glasses.

[BTFLCHLD]

I believe Nancy (sodascouts) talked to Cory and was told that she wrote the lyrics and Lindsey wrote the music. Thank you for letting me know this...I was curious who did what.

[MacMan]

No, it was written just a week prior to the band going into rehearsals for 'The Dance.'

From the 'Enchanted' liner notes....

This was the demo I did the last week of March, 1997, to take to rehearsal on April 1st for Fleetwood Mac's version of "Sweet Girl."
I thought you would enjoy hearing it in its first form.
Christopher recorded our friend Big Al playing all the guitars, and me and Lori singing, in our home studio in Paradise Valley.
We didn't have much time, and I wasn't leaving Phoenix without "Sweet Girl."


Doesn't that mean she just demo'd it (or recorded it as a demo) and not wrote it?... It's possible that it could have been written months prior:shrug:

[Villavic]

The Dance was done ONLY for commercial purposes. Not an ounce of creativity or artsy fartsy intentions were poured into the Dance. It was created to sell as many copies as possible and make the members as much money as possible.

Still, it was a great endeavor though, you'll never hear me knocking down The Dance. :laugh:

For commercial reasons, and just to enjoy the reunion (though it seemed Chris didn't enjoy enough). But who cares? Yes I'd have like some new material, but finally we got SYW (where I missed Christine, but nothing is perfect).

I don't see The Dance as a dissapointment, it was a reunion show and album. And that's it. The band enjoyed it, and people reeeally enjoyed it.

[shackin'up]

(where I missed Christine, but nothing is perfect).


if nothing is perfect, it's still christine.



:sorry:

[Johnny Stew]

Doesn't that mean she just demo'd it (or recorded it as a demo) and not wrote it?... It's possible that it could have been written months prior:shrug:Stevie also mentions that it was written for the reunion, in her interview track on that 'Best Buy Presents Fleetwood Mac: Tour '97' (http://discog.fleetwoodmac.net/discog.php?pid=628) CD.