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rbs3676
01-23-2007, 10:16 AM
The nominations for the 79th annual Academy Awards, announced Tuesday, presented a mixed bag for a number of films -- none more so than the musical many thought would be leading the way.

"Dreamgirls," the film version of the 1981 Broadway show, received a leading eight nominations but was shut out of two of the biggest categories -- best picture and director.

The film did receive nominations for two of its performers, Eddie Murphy and Jennifer Hudson, both in supporting categories. Both performers won Golden Globes for their performances and are considered Oscar front-runners.

"Babel," Alejandro Gonzalez Inarritu's ensemble cross-cultural tale of families in crisis, had seven nominations, though just two for its performers, both in the supporting actress category. Neither of its major stars, Brad Pitt or Cate Blanchett, earned a nomination for the film -- but Blanchett did get a supporting nod for her work in "Notes on a Scandal."

And "The Departed," Martin Scorsese's tale of the mob and the cops in Boston, was nominated for best picture and best director, but only Mark Wahlberg earned an acting nomination, for supporting actor.

"The Queen," starring Helen Mirren as British monarch Elizabeth II in the days after Princess Diana's death, earned nominations for the actress, as well as best picture, best director (Stephen Frears) and best original screenplay.

"When the idea of making 'The Queen' was first mooted, we had no idea that the result would have quite the impact it has had. It is astounding the way that audiences have responded by taking the film to their hearts," Mirren said in a statement. "I hope that my performance has conveyed a sense of Elizabeth the woman as well as the queen."

Mirren already has won a Golden Globe and several critics' awards for her performance.

The year's sleeper hit, "Little Miss Sunshine," earned nominations for best picture, best supporting actor (Alan Arkin), best supporting actress (Abigail Breslin) and best original screenplay.

One dark horse that came out shining bright was Clint Eastwood's Japanese-language "Letters From Iwo Jima," which was nominated for best picture, best director and best original screenplay. The director nomination pits Scorsese against Eastwood for the second time in three years; Eastwood prevailed in 2004, when his "Million Dollar Baby" went up against Scorsese's "The Aviator."

And though "United 93" only earned one major nomination, it was a big one: a nod for its director, Paul Greengrass. The film also was nominated for its editing.

Forest Whitaker, who won the Golden Globe for his performance as Idi Amin in "The Last King of Scotland," was nominated for best actor. He's the category's likely front-runner, though he's up against 74-year-old Peter O'Toole -- an eight-time nominee who's never won an Oscar for a performance. O'Toole was nominated for "Venus."

A sampling of surprises
"Dreamgirls" wasn't the only surprise the academy supplied.

Though his Golden Globe win had some talking Oscar nomination, Sacha Baron Cohen didn't get an acting nod for his performance as the Kazakh interviewer Borat Sagdiyev in "Borat." The film was nominated for adapted screenplay, an odd designation for a largely improvised film, but perhaps the best the academy could come up. (The film was "adapted" because Baron Cohen had played the character before, on his television show.)

On the other hand, critics' favorite Ryan Gosling was nominated for best actor for "Half Nelson," a little-seen independent work about a drug-addicted teacher.

"Little Children," another critics' favorite, received nominations for best actress (Kate Winslet), best supporting actor (Jackie Earle Haley, perhaps best known for his performances in the original 1976 version of "The Bad News Bears" and "Breaking Away") and best adapted screenplay. However, it didn't get nominated for best picture or best director.

Leonardo DiCaprio, who earned two best actor nominations from the Golden Globes, could receive only one in the category by Oscar rules. "The Departed" star was nominated for "Blood Diamond."

Key nominations
The nominees for best picture are "The Departed," "Babel," "Letters From Iwo Jima," "Little Miss Sunshine" and "The Queen."

The nominees for best actor are Whitaker ("The Last King of Scotland"), DiCaprio ("Blood Diamond"), Gosling ("Half Nelson"), O'Toole ("Venus") and Will Smith ("The Pursuit of Happyness").

The nominees for best actress are Mirren ("The Queen"), Judi Dench ("Notes on a Scandal"), Penelope Cruz ("Volver"), Meryl Streep ("The Devil Wears Prada") and Kate Winslet ("Little Children"). Streep's nomination is her 14th; she's won two Oscars.

The nominees for best supporting actor are Murphy ("Dreamgirls"), Arkin ("Little Miss Sunshine"), Haley ("Little Children"), Djimon Hounsou ("Blood Diamond") and Wahlberg ("The Departed").

The nominees for best supporting actress are Hudson ("Dreamgirls"), Adriana Barraza ("Babel"), Blanchett ("Notes on a Scandal"), Breslin ("Little Miss Sunshine") and Rinko Kikuchi ("Babel").

The nominees for best director are Scorsese ("The Departed"), Eastwood ("Letters From Iwo Jima"), Frears ("The Queen"), Greengrass ("United 93") and Gonzalez Inarritu ("Babel").

Only three animated features were nominated this year: "Cars," "Happy Feet" and "Monster House."

ABC will broadcast the Oscars live February 25 from Hollywood's Kodak Theatre. Ellen DeGeneres is hosting the show.

strandinthewind
01-23-2007, 10:26 AM
I prediect:

Best Picture - "The Departed" - though "Bable" is way up there IMO

Best Actor - Whitaker ("The Last King of Scotland") - though Will Smith ("The Pursuit of Happyness") is up there as well.

Best Actress - Mirren ("The Queen") - IMO hands down

Best Supporting Actor - Murphy ("Dreamgirls") - with the darkhorse being Wahlberg ("The Departed").

Best Supporting Actress - Hudson ("Dreamgirls") hands down - dark horse Blanchett ("Notes on a Scandal")

Best Director - Scorsese ("The Departed") - hands down as he has never won and was robbed several times

JazmenFlowers
01-23-2007, 10:27 AM
that's all BS. I hate the Oscars almost as much as I hate the Grammys.

strandinthewind
01-23-2007, 10:27 AM
^^^^

like you don't watch the pre-show :rolleyes:

:p :angel: :p

JazmenFlowers
01-23-2007, 10:29 AM
^^^^

like you don't watch the pre-show :rolleyes:

:p :angel: :p
oh, for sure. in fact, I watch the entire show. you can't NOT watch something you loathe. for where would the pleasure in bitching about how boring and predictable it was the next day come from? :laugh:

BlackWidow
01-23-2007, 10:32 AM
No Best Picture OR director for DreamGirls??? THAT does not add up!!!

strandinthewind
01-23-2007, 10:39 AM
No Best Picture OR director for DreamGirls??? THAT does not add up!!!

I tend to agree with them on that because other than Murphy and Hudson, it was just an okay film, with predictable and mundane parts from Beyonce and Foxx, and the script was lethargic and mostly very obviously built around Beyonce's sun with no great advantage there.

BlackWidow
01-23-2007, 10:57 AM
I tend to agree with them on that because other than Murphy and Hudson, it was just an okay film, with predictable and mundane parts from Beyonce and Foxx, and the script was lethargic and mostly very obviously built around Beyonce's sun with no great advantage there.

I just feel bad for Bill Condon who is a friend of mine...:(

danax6
01-23-2007, 11:13 AM
Dreamgirls was okay, I didn't think it was spectacular, so I can live with the fact that it didn't get nominated in the big categories. I have yet to see Babel, so I can't say anything about it. I, too, think Helen Mirren is going to take home the Oscar, though I secretly hope they give it to Meryl Streep, if only so we get to hear yet another great speech. She rocks these shows, really. But Helen Mirren was great in The Queen, so either is fine with me.

The only thing that really stood out, for me, is Beyoncé's nomination for 'Listen'. I can't stand that song. It's equal to someone scratching their nails on a school board. It hurts my ears. Her voice does not lend well for songs like that, imo. It lacks depth for instance. Sorry, Jaz. ;)

danax6
01-23-2007, 11:15 AM
oh, for sure. in fact, I watch the entire show. you can't NOT watch something you loathe. for where would the pleasure in bitching about how boring and predictable it was the next day come from? :laugh::nod:

I always stay up the entire night to catch the Oscars. It's like a trainwreck, you can't just NOT watch.

JazmenFlowers
01-23-2007, 11:34 AM
The only thing that really stood out, for me, is Beyoncé's nomination for 'Listen'. I can't stand that song. It's equal to someone scratching their nails on a school board. It hurts my ears. Her voice does not lend well for songs like that, imo. It lacks depth for instance. Sorry, Jaz. ;)
no worries.

as much as I love me some Beyonce', I don't necessarily disagree with you here.

with respect to the movie though, I really have to say I was blown away. I thought it was stunning all the way around.

estranged4life
01-23-2007, 11:36 AM
that's all BS. I hate the Oscars almost as much as I hate the Grammys.

seems alot of the Hollyweird types assume unless you win an award your career is nothing...Utter absolute BS. Why become an entertainer if fame & fortune is all you seek? Doesnt anyone perform nowadays just for the love of it? Honestly, No.

As for "Dreamgirls", havent seen or heard much about it...Sorry.

Gypsy-Rhiannon
01-23-2007, 11:56 AM
"The Queen," starring Helen Mirren as British monarch Elizabeth II in the days after Princess Diana's death, earned nominations for the actress, as well as best picture, best director (Stephen Frears) and best original screenplay.



Go Helen!!

BlackWidow
01-23-2007, 11:56 AM
no worries.

as much as I love me some Beyonce', I don't necessarily disagree with you here.

with respect to the movie though, I really have to say I was blown away. I thought it was stunning all the way around.

I agree..Stunning!

I think it is good for Beyonce to sit back and have a peice of Humble Pie!!
Bon Apetite Beeyotch!! :laugh: :cool:

Livia
01-23-2007, 11:57 AM
Beyonce and her armpits got snubbed in the acting category. Heh. If you've been keeping up w/ Perez Hilton's site, then you know what I'm talking about.

I love Meryl, but I don't think her performance in The Devil Wears Prada was Oscar-worthy.

I wouldn't be surprised if Peter O'Toole wins, just for the Susan Lucci factor...

Nixxxed
01-23-2007, 12:38 PM
Best Documentary Feature: "Jesus Camp" - featuring Ted Haggard

:lol:

I might actually *pray* for that to win.

Nixxxed
01-23-2007, 12:49 PM
The only thing that really stood out, for me, is Beyoncé's nomination for 'Listen'. I can't stand that song. It's equal to someone scratching their nails on a school board. It hurts my ears. Her voice does not lend well for songs like that, imo. It lacks depth for instance. Sorry, Jaz. ;)

She didn't get a nomination, did she? The award goes to the songwriters, not performers. On the list I saw: "Listen" from "Dreamgirls," Henry Krieger, Scott Cutler and Anne Preven. And I saw this article a few weeks ago:

http://www.broadwayworld.com/viewcolumn.cfm?colid=14711

Beyonce Disqualified for Oscar Songwriting Category?

The Envelope's Gold Derby reports that Beyonce Knowles was not qualified as a songwriter on the song "Listen" from the Dreamgirls film by the songwriting branch of the Oscars. What's known as Rule 16 of the Oscar's eligibility states that only 3 songwriters max can be credited for an Oscar-nominated song. In many interviews promoting the film (and in the credits itself), Beyonce has said that she was involved with writing the song. However, the Oscars are only recognizing Henry Krieger, Anne Preven and Scott Cutler for the song.

Word around the Net is that she tried her typical "I changed one note/word, so I get songwriting credit and royalties..." racket. There's even a feud going on between her and the guy (Ne-Yo?) who supposedly really wrote "Irreplaceable" or at least the majority of it, which Beyonce is claiming she did...

mikeschmike
01-23-2007, 01:23 PM
Typical lame ass nominations. What can you expect though? The average age of an academy voter is like 612. Not to take away from anyone's performance or anything, but their taste is highly questionable.

I'm convinced that Judi Dench could open a fortune cookie on camera and she would get nominated for an award. Apparently, the Brits do it better. :shrug:

Rickypt
01-23-2007, 01:34 PM
Best Picture:

Will win: Babel
Should win: Last King of Scotland. Oh wait, not nominated. Okay, Half Nelson. Oh, not nominated? Oh well, Little Miss Sunshine

Best actor:

Will win: Forest Whitaker
Should win: Ryan Gosling, but happy with Whitaker

Best actress:

Will win: Helen Mirren
Should win: Judi Dench (I love you, Helen, but Judi was on fire)

Best supporting actor:

Will win: Eddie Murphy
Should win: Eddie Murphy (but happy with any of them)

Best supporting actress:

Will win: Jennifer Hudson
Should win: Rinko Kikuchi (although would be thrilled with any of them, what a great set of performances!)

amber
01-23-2007, 01:44 PM
O'Toole all the way. He's been a genius for fifty thousand years! :laugh:

Gypsy-Rhiannon
01-23-2007, 03:49 PM
Beyonce and her armpits got snubbed in the acting category. Heh. If you've been keeping up w/ Perez Hilton's site, then you know what I'm talking about.

I love Meryl, but I don't think her performance in The Devil Wears Prada was Oscar-worthy.

I wouldn't be surprised if Peter O'Toole wins, just for the Susan Lucci factor...

Heh... I read the Beyonce stuff on Perez and it's so true. I opened a mag today and there she is flashing her armpits again!

danax6
01-23-2007, 03:55 PM
She didn't get a nomination, did she? The award goes to the songwriters, not performers. On the list I saw: "Listen" from "Dreamgirls," Henry Krieger, Scott Cutler and Anne Preven. And I saw this article a few weeks ago:

http://www.broadwayworld.com/viewcolumn.cfm?colid=14711



Word around the Net is that she tried her typical "I changed one note/word, so I get songwriting credit and royalties..." racket. There's even a feud going on between her and the guy (Ne-Yo?) who supposedly really wrote "Irreplaceable" or at least the majority of it, which Beyonce is claiming she did...Okay, didn't know that, thanks. :wavey: I thought the performing artist was included also. Either way, we will still have to sit through her performing it.

Nixxxed
01-23-2007, 04:00 PM
Heh... I read the Beyonce stuff on Perez and it's so true. I opened a mag today and there she is flashing her armpits again!
This set is the best. Has she not heard of clear gel deodorant?

http://perezhilton.com/upload/2007/01/when_will_the_madness/beyyyoonceeepits.jpg

GypsySorcerer
01-23-2007, 04:09 PM
For once, the Best Picture race is wide open. The only one I don't see winning is Letters from Iwo Jima, but I think the others have a shot. Right now, I'd say Babel, with Scorsese finally picking up his Best Director statue.

I'm quite sad that Volver ony received one nomination (the very deserving Penelope Cruz). :(

I'm starting to think Murphy won't win in Supporting. I am thinking they will give it Arkin. :shrug:

Serrart
01-23-2007, 04:52 PM
Best actress:

Will win: Helen Mirren
Should win: Judi Dench (I love you, Helen, but Judi was on fire)

Yes, she was but what Mirren did is a miracle of mimesis and Dench has already done that kind of part a zillion times in theater.


Best supporting actress:

Will win: Jennifer Hudson
Should win: Rinko Kikuchi (although would be thrilled with any of them, what a great set of performances!)

It doesn't really happen often that A 25 year old like Hudson steals a whole movie. The young lady is both exceptional both in the singing and in the acting. While Kikuchi is offering a very good performance in an irritating bath in Hollywood conventional way to speak about important issues.

Romy

Nixxxed
01-23-2007, 05:10 PM
i don't know . . . .
whatever she is wearing under her arms it seems to be coordinated with the dress. . . .
yucky shimmering grey
omg - the Beyonce and Mama Cass pics fit together so well ...

:lol:

Gypsy-Rhiannon
01-24-2007, 04:48 AM
This set is the best. Has she not heard of clear gel deodorant?

http://perezhilton.com/upload/2007/01/when_will_the_madness/beyyyoonceeepits.jpg

Why on earth does she think that's a good pose!

Rickypt
01-24-2007, 01:47 PM
Yes, she was but what Mirren did is a miracle of mimesis and Dench has already done that kind of part a zillion times in theater.




It doesn't really happen often that A 25 year old like Hudson steals a whole movie. The young lady is both exceptional both in the singing and in the acting. While Kikuchi is offering a very good performance in an irritating bath in Hollywood conventional way to speak about important issues.

Romy

Even though it doesn't happen this way, the award should be based on the specific role. The fact that Dench has played a similar part in theater should be irrelevant. Just like the fact that Peter O'Toole is old and never given an award should be irrelevant.

Helen Mirren was outstanding, but I think it is actually stronger acting to create a character than to mimic one. Either way, I will be happy, but I'm rooting for Dench.

I thought Kikuchi was riveting. But will not cry if Hudson wins.

Rickypt
01-24-2007, 02:29 PM
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i couldn't help myself . . .
:sorry: paula and jazzy . . .

OMG! Fricking hilarious. :laugh:

BlackWidow
01-24-2007, 05:19 PM
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i couldn't help myself . . .
:sorry: paula and jazzy . . .

:laugh: BRILLIANT!!! :laugh:

gypsysoul
01-24-2007, 05:37 PM
Helen Mirren was outstanding, but I think it is actually stronger acting to create a character than to mimic one. Either way, I will be happy, but I'm rooting for Dench.


Ricky, I don't think Helen Mirren was mimicking the queen.
The queen's whole persona is that of someone who aims to give nothing away.
As one reviewer said, Helen's achievement in this film is to take on an emotional journey a woman who lives to show no emotion (in public - which is all that we see of her).
I think Helen did actually create a character, that of the woman behind the royal mask. She said herself she had nothing to base that part of the character on and had to imagine what she might be like in private situations.

Für Elise
01-24-2007, 11:12 PM
Helen Mirren was outstanding, but I think it is actually stronger acting to create a character than to mimic one. Either way, I will be happy, but I'm rooting for Dench.


Ricky, I don't think Helen Mirren was mimicking the queen.
The queen's whole persona is that of someone who aims to give nothing away.
As one reviewer said, Helen's achievement in this film is to take on an emotional journey a woman who lives to show no emotion (in public - which is all that we see of her).
I think Helen did actually create a character, that of the woman behind the royal mask. She said herself she had nothing to base that part of the character on and had to imagine what she might be like in private situations.I agree about her creating that character but she also had to transform herself convincingly into what is about the most famous image for any Brit or anyone in the empire. It's almost like we're born knowing who she is and to convincingly portray someone who is so instantly recognisable must be incredibly difficult. Also when that person is still alive and still in the position that they're being portrayed as, that adds to the difficultly again. When I first heard about it it sounded like a bad tele-movie because you can't play the current queen without it coming off looking stupid. But she did manage it and there's no middle ground, if she slipped at all it would have turned the film into a mockery of itself.

Serrart
01-25-2007, 05:04 PM
I agree about her creating that character but she also had to transform herself convincingly into what is about the most famous image for any Brit or anyone in the empire. It's almost like we're born knowing who she is and to convincingly portray someone who is so instantly recognisable must be incredibly difficult. Also when that person is still alive and still in the position that they're being portrayed as, that adds to the difficultly again. When I first heard about it it sounded like a bad tele-movie because you can't play the current queen without it coming off looking stupid. But she did manage it and there's no middle ground, if she slipped at all it would have turned the film into a mockery of itself.

I agree, what she did is extremely rare, because it's not imitation. She kept the aspects of the image and used them as mirror for us. Behind it there's an incredibly truthful and deep study of character. I think only Anthony Hopkins did something equally spectacular with Nixon but in that case there wasn't the image matching. With the Queen the illusion of reality is total.

Romy