Peter Green now

[kickshoot]

Where is Peter Green now. Is he making music. Is he playing at all. I have a lot of the old Max stuff and the Mayall cd. I have an anthology with a few of the things from his comeback. Is there anything recent. Is there word of anything to come.

[chiliD]

Where is Peter Green now. Is he making music. Is he playing at all. I have a lot of the old Max stuff and the Mayall cd. I have an anthology with a few of the things from his comeback. Is there anything recent. Is there word of anything to come.

Which "comeback"? The 78-82 era or the Splinter Group 1995-2001 era?

[kickshoot]

It's the
Man of the World Anthology. I'm pretty sure thats the '80s comeback. Is the Splinter Group stuff good?

[chiliD]

Is the Splinter Group stuff good?

You bet! :nod:

And, the sad part was that they were still getting better each album when they broke up. My faves are Destiny Road and Time Traders, but Reaching The Cold 100 (their swan song) has some great cuts, too. Plus, there's the two Robert Johnson tributes and the two live albums (their first album was live; and the two disc Live At Ronnie Scott's) and their all-blues album Blues Don't Change recorded simultaneously as Time Traders.

[doodyhead]

The Band is tight. The folks are devoted to presenting Peter Green in a good light. The other main vocalist guitar player is Nigel Watson (see post #1 on peter Green section of the ledge) He accompanied Peter Green to rejoin Fleetwood Mac to finish their tour when Jeremy Spencer left abruptly in 1970. Then he was heard on congas and shortly thereafter on two post FM singles by Peter Green. He is a good folk/slide Guitarist and covers much of the electric material well. He was a long time friend of Peter and aided him in coming back to playing in the 90's. All the CDs are interesting. Some cuts are outstanding. With this output of music, Peter Green earned comeback Player of the year frm the blues foundation. THE most presigious awards accolade for blues people. If you had to get just one CD, I would buy "Hot Foot Powder". I am sure you would buy others after listening to that. Unfortunatly Peter Green was separated from the Band right before their next US tour in 2003.

very sad all around

sincerely,

doodyhead

[kickshoot]

Thank You. I am 49 years old. I play guitar (poorly)and have followed guitar players for years. I have only recently discovered Peter Green. I am amazed by his tone and playing. I had heard some of the P.G. stories through the years. I had just never really heard much. I think I was put off because I have never been a fan of the buckingham -nicks Mac. I think that kept me from listening to the old stuff. I am now a huge fan. I listening to PG almost every day now. I now want an LP with the bass pickup backwards.

[doodyhead]

Dear kickshoot,

I have been a fan since i first heard him on record in 68. I am a guitar player. What you might consider first. is getting a new fangled pickup that can reverse phase. Or you can do what he did and tahe it out and put it back backwards. the latter is a lot cheaper. Most likely he did it rather than bring it somewhere.

8^)

doodyhead

[kickshoot]

I have an early '70 model LP that I recently bought. I have considered having the pick up reversed. Tell me about the new pick up where you can change the "phase". I see there is a jimmy page model that has a phase switch. I know there is a "gary moore" model that is based somewhat on the PG paul (not an exact copy but built on Moore's specs). The bass pick up is backwards on it. What about Moore selling Peter's guitar for almost $1,000,000 american. I don't think that was exactly in the same spirit as Peter almost giving it to him. I see there is a guitar made by Vintage guitars in england that is based on the PG LP. Any info on any of this stuff.

[zoork_1]

... I am amazed by his tone and playing. [...]...[...] I listening to PG almost every day now.


So do I, and to Danny and Jere.... :-)

//Zoork

P.S.
I've modified my Les Paul twice now and it's beginning to sound good. I've got a sample (cuts from Jigzaw puzzle blues/Need your love so bad) if you're interested in LP sound.

[chiliD]

I see there is a jimmy page model that has a phase switch. .

From what I've read, you can get the exact Peter Green "squawk" tone with the Jimmy Page Signature Les Paul. But, those Page models run nearly $6,000.00 or so...way too steep for my budget.

[madformac]

The tone you hear is in Peters fingers and soul, anything else merely enhances it but won't give you that tone unless you feel the notes in the way Peter did.

Peter sounds like Peter on any given guitar. :nod:

[doodyhead]

The tone you hear is in Peters fingers and soul, anything else merely enhances it but won't give you that tone unless you feel the notes in the way Peter did.

Peter sounds like Peter on any given guitar. :nod:

http://www.learn-futures.com/product/guitarpg.htm

Learn to play like him. The soul of playing is channeling feelings through the instrument. The guitar is just the vehicle. Green is about feeling.

[dansven]

The tone you hear is in Peters fingers and soul, anything else merely enhances it but won't give you that tone unless you feel the notes in the way Peter did.

Peter sounds like Peter on any given guitar. :nod:

Could not have been said better! :nod:

[zoork_1]

The tone you hear is in Peters fingers and soul, anything else merely enhances it but won't give you that tone unless you feel the notes in the way Peter did.

Peter sounds like Peter on any given guitar. :nod:

I think most people would agree - fingers and soul makes the difference. But gear (amplifiers, strings, etc) matters, believing something else would be romanticism. Moreover, guitarists don’t carry on the same sound, feeling or tone over the years, they develop or change over time. Sometime for better….

//Zoork

[kickshoot]

I'm not suggestiong that I will sound like Peter green by simply modding my guitar. I'm not very good. Peter's guitar had a distinct tone. It was from his bass pickup being put in backwards and the wiring being what is known as out of phase. It is sometimes very similar to B.B Kings tone. B.B.s guitar a Gibson 355 , has a 5 postion switch. Some of the postions have both pickups on "out of phase". You can hear the tone on a lot of Gary Moore's playing. Gary's playing does not sound that much like Peter's but his tone sometimes sounds like Peter's because it is the same guitar. I agree the magic in Peter's playing is in his heart and soul, but a lot of that tone came from that guitar.
Does the Gary Moore signature Les Paul have the sound?
Thanks for the info on the Page model.Way too costly for me.
And yes I would love to hear clips with that mod.
I am almost through with the Peter Green biography. Do any of the Fleetwood Mac bio's have a lot of Green info. I am not very interested in news about the modern day Mac.

[doodyhead]

I'm not suggestiong that I will sound like Peter green by simply modding my guitar. I'm not very good. Peter's guitar had a distinct tone. It was from his bass pickup being put in backwards and the wiring being what is known as out of phase. It is sometimes very similar to B.B Kings tone. B.B.s guitar a Gibson 355 , has a 5 postion switch. Some of the postions have both pickups on "out of phase". You can hear the tone on a lot of Gary Moore's playing. Gary's playing does not sound that much like Peter's but his tone sometimes sounds like Peter's because it is the same guitar. I agree the magic in Peter's playing is in his heart and soul, but a lot of that tone came from that guitar.
Does the Gary Moore signature Les Paul have the sound?
Thanks for the info on the Page model.Way too costly for me.
And yes I would love to hear clips with that mod.
I am almost through with the Peter Green biography. Do any of the Fleetwood Mac bio's have a lot of Green info. I am not very interested in news about the modern day Mac.
What B B King had in the 60's was a Gibson ES 355 Stereo/Varitone. which included a rotary dial that went to two separate outputs. he plugged them into two different amps. this was a stock guitar (if such a thing could be said of that cherry beauty. the pickups were wired to the dial to change the mix going to the amplifiers. I have not researched it but in my random visits to music stores there are several guitars that have an out of phase setting. I think the Jimmy Page Guitar is just plain Highway robbery. Yiu might consider getting the book "electronics for guitarists" this is available at Sam Ash or Guitar Center. They actually go over the wiring diagrams for the various Les Pauls. Of course ttyou also need the pickups of that vintage or start winding coils to approximate their sound. This is how eddie van halen started.
good luck. PS I doubt that Gary Moore did anything. He mostly used other Gibsons when he got money. He broke Peter's in a car accident and used it sparingly. The video's of him show another faded suburst les paul with dimarzio pickups

vinnie c

[Han Solo]

Kickshoot; reversing the neck pickup will have little effect, other than looks. For out-of-phase sounds you have several options. Wiring out-of-phase should get you close, but beware as not all wirings will work by just reversing the leads.

You can also ( As I did) open up the neck pickup and flip the magnet. If you are not used to making modifications to your guitar, I suggest to have this done by a guitar-tech.
Several pickup makers offer a Peter Green set (WCR, Seymour Duncan) with correct wiring instructions.

I would also suggest becoming a member at the Les Paul Forum ( www.lespaulforum.com ). If you do a search there on "Green" , you will find loads of info regarding Peter Green, his gear, his guitar and getting that out-of-phase tone. Good luck!

[Han Solo]

Here is a Peter Green Mod tone demonstration:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6qkF_6LNPA

[doodyhead]

Here is a Peter Green Mod tone demonstration:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6qkF_6LNPAThat was fine playing. Modifying your Les Paul is not for the faint at heart. Peter Green, in interviews had mixed emotions about what he did. He also had mixed emotions about the guitar itself. In recent statements he wishes that maybe he did not let it go. We all have regrets. I had a 60s Gibson ES355. I found that in some sense the sound was inherent in the design of the body. Semi Hollow body Gibsons had that horn like tone when you were close to feeding back on certain settings. It was a lovely guitar. I sold it when I had to pay for the birth of my daughter. I do not regret that at all, but I do remember the guitar fondly.The Les paul Custom I have now is a recent Custom Shop model. It has its own distinct (unmistakable Les Paul)sound, then it has the one I give to it.
Good Luck. You might try, as I did some years back, fooling with an expendible guitar that you like playing. If you get the sound you like, you will have that too.

doodyhead

[kickshoot]

I have seen that mod demonstration before. That guy is a great player. I have seen ads for that wcr pickup set. It is very expensive. I have never seen the duncan green set. Is it more reasonable. I had thought about getting the duncan pearly gates pickup. It is based on B. Gibbons '59 lp. I thought being a 59 it should be similar. I thought the pick up being backwards would make the guitar sound more mid rangey. The active pick up would be closer to the bridge making it more trebly. I know there is more than one way to wire pick ups out of phase. I was going to get a tech to do it. I guess I need to research which way it was wired to get the tone. I used to have a Gibson ES 330 way back. It was a nice guitar. It had 2 P-90's and the same shape as a 335. It did not have the out of phase sound . I had a Gibson L-6 S years ago. It did have a rotary switch. At least 2 of the positions were out of phase if I remember right. I have a Ibanez ar 250 which is set up similarly to a les paul. I may get the mod done to it before I get it done to my Les Paul to see how it comes out.

[kickshoot]

I take it putting the pickup in upside down would have the same effect as the guy in the video turning the magnet around.
Has anyone heard the Gary Moore signature LP. I have seen a couple of them go on ebay for around $1500- 1800. The bass pick up is reversed on it.
Has any one heard the vintage Icon guitar that is based on the PG les paul.

[kickshoot]

Hans Solo is that you playing guitar on that clip. That is some great playing.

[zoork_1]

[...]...And yes I would love to hear clips with that mod...

Look for a private message... :D

//Zoork

[Han Solo]

No, that's not me in the video. Putting the pickup in upside down will not have the same effect; the magnetic orientation will be the same i.e. the North and South-pole of the magnet are still connected in the wiring the same way.

You have to alter the flow of the pickup's signal in conjuction to the bridge pickup from North-South/North-South to South/North North/South.

Therefore you have two options:
a) Flip the magnet.
b) Rewire for out of phase.

Indeed some Gibson models have out of phase wiring stock. Most Les Pauls do not. If I recall correctly the Gary Moore LP did come with out of phase wiring.

If you are able to try the mod on one of your other guitars first that would be nice ofcourse, but you'll need individual volume controls for each pickup to make it work. I am not familiar with the Ibanez AR.

[kickshoot]

Thank you Zoork. I am at a University of Memphis computer lab right now and can not listen to it. I will listen to it when I get home.

[kickshoot]

Thank you Hans Solo for the info. I am going to get as much info as possible and get the mod done to my Ibanez first and see how it comes out. That way I will know if anything needs to be done differently for my les paul. I also have a les paul with P90's. I have heard the PRS Se guitar with P-90's it is wired with the middle position out of phase. I understand that is mush easier with single coil pick ups. I was thinking of having my single coil Les Paul rewired that way. I bought an Eric Clapton strat yesterday. It is great. I got a great deal on it trading a strat I already had. It has lace sensor pick ups in it and a built in boost. It is a few years old. The model has changed over the years. The built in boost is great.
Does anyone know anything about those Pearly gates pick ups.

[zoork_1]

I found this a while ago, it might be interesting....

http://www.singlecoil.com/docs/paula.pdf

Best regards
//Zoork

[kickshoot]

Thank you Zoork. That is very interesting.

[zoork_1]

:] I'm clearly not trying to turn feeling into pickups, guitars construction, wiring, etc. But as you people might have guessed I'm interested in gear. (I've just returned a Fender BandMaster 1965 to the local dealer, and I really liked it.) Does any of you know what amps PG played mostely (beside Orange once or twice)?

[zoork_1]

LP freaks....

You'll find the sample ("Peter Green Pickup modification.wmv") at:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apH_K6VWCPg

//Zoork

[kickshoot]

I just had one of my Les Pauls modded. It was a Les Paul special with 2 P-90 single coil pick ups. I asked the tech to reverse the wiring on the bridge pick up. The middle position now has that weird sort of out of phase sound. ( I know its not really out of phase). It has a lot of bite like a Tele because of the single coils but it's got that weird quack to it that is in the in between postions on a strat. I like it a lot. It sounds somewhat like Peter's sound but a little more biting.

[Wouter Vuijk]

It sounds somewhat like Peter's sound but a little more biting.
Which is probably due to the fact that they are single coils.
Do you have loss of output power as a consequence of the out of phase combination? I had it when I rewired one of my Ibanez LP humbucker pick-ups.

[doodyhead]

Can you post samples of the tonal variations? I know I am interested in the results.

[kickshoot]

It does lose volume when both pickups are on. But not a lot. I don't know how to post the tone. If you tell me I will try.

[doodyhead]

Dear Kickshoot

To record your guitar playing digitally is the first step. If you have access to a computer it is pretty easy to record up to 60 seconds using the sound recorder built right into windows without actually buying anything. All you would need is an adapter reducing the ¼ inch guitar cable to a 1/8 input to plug in to the mic in/ or the line in of your sound card. Be sure to adjust the volume of the sound recorder so it is loud enough to hear. It records as wav files. If you have more sophisticated stuff, great.

If you have itunes or even windows media player you can take the file recorded and convert it to an MP3 file. This file can be uploaded into youtube or google video as a post. The hot link can be put in your Ledge post.
The result will look like what zoork1 posted a little while ago on this thread.. Or if you want you cou could just send the file to anyone who wants it. I would be interested.

doodyhead

[kickshoot]

Check this out. This is my band. I am playing bass. You can hear us in the background during the first few scenes. You can hear us a couple of minutes in.
JM

[kickshoot]

the link did not come up. Let me try again.
http://www.appealtv.com/appealtv/italian
jm

[doodyhead]

Is that you wearing the UFC tee shirt?
let the good times roll!

whats the name of your band?

vinnie c

[kickshoot]

Yes thats me in the UFC shirt. The name of the band is the Ram Daddies. It is the first gig I have done in 24 years. We put the band together for this event. I think we may play more.