Hillary Clinton launches White House bid: 'I'm in'

[gldstwmn]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/20/clinton.announcement/index.html

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Sen. Hillary Clinton jumped into the fray as a 2008 presidential candidate with the words "I'm in" posted on her Web site.

"And I'm in to win," she added in a statement, announcing she has set up an exploratory committee that can gauge opinions and raise money for a presidential campaign.

Clinton's announcement comes two years to the day the next president will be inaugurated: January 20, 2009.

The former first lady and Democratic senator from New York is considered her party's front-runner in what has become a diverse Democratic field.

Should she win, she would be the first woman to serve as president of the United States -- and the first presidential spouse to do so as well. President Bill Clinton served two terms from 1993 to 2001.

On Tuesday, Democrat Sen. Barack Obama announced that he was filing papers to form a presidential exploratory committee, a bid to become the first African-American president. (Full story)

And on Sunday, New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, also a Democrat, is expected to announce his bid, one that could make him the first Latino president.

Live 'Web chats' start Monday
Bringing "the right end" to the war in Iraq, reducing the deficit, making the country energy independent and health care affordable were issues Clinton touted in her announcement, speaking on a video posted on her site.

"After six years of George Bush, it is time to renew the promise of America," she said.

"I grew up in a middle-class family in the middle of America, and we believed in that promise," the 59-year-old Chicago native said.

"I still do. I've spent my entire life trying to make good on it, whether it was fighting for women's basic rights or children's basic health care, protecting our social security or protecting our soldiers."

In the video, she invited Americans to join her in a three-night series of live video Web chats beginning Monday.

"So let's talk. Let's chat, let's start a dialogue about your ideas and mine, because the conversation in Washington has been just a little one-sided lately, don't you think?"

She'll travel next weekend to Iowa and later to New Hampshire, two kickoff states for the Democratic presidential nominating process in 2008, according to her campaign organizers.

When Clinton launched her Senate bid in New York in 1999, she began a "listening tour" around the state to explore views on education, business and health care issues.

Her Republican opponent, Rick Lazio, called her a "carpetbagger" because she had not previously lived in New York. But she beat him, becoming the first sitting first lady to win an elected office, and was re-elected last year with 67 percent of the vote.

A crowded field
Clinton's announcement puts her in a big Democratic crowd of candidates.

In a statement released Saturday, Obama said: "Senator Clinton is a good friend and a colleague whom I greatly respect. I welcome her and all the candidates, not as competitors, but as allies in the work of getting our country back on track."

In addition to Obama and Richardson, the field also includes former Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina, the party's 2004 vice presidential nominee, who declared his candidacy late last year; Rep. Dennis Kucinich of Ohio, a liberal critic of the war in Iraq; and Iowa Gov. Tom Vilsack.

Sens. Joe Biden of Delaware and Chris Dodd of Connecticut have also said they will seek the nomination, and other Democrats mentioned as possible candidates include the party's 2004 presidential candidate, Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts; retired Army Gen. Wesley Clark, and the Rev. Al Sharpton.

Clinton wants troop cap, is wary of al-Maliki
Clinton, who just returned from a trip to U.S. military facilities in Afghanistan, Iraq and Germany, has urged the Bush administration to return its focus to Afghanistan.

She has proposed a bill to cap troop levels in Iraq and require congressional approval before the president may send more troops.

She has also been highly critical of Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki, saying Washington should cut off financial support to the Iraqi government unless it shows commitment to stemming the sectarian violence there.

"I don't have any faith," she said of al-Maliki, when asked by CNN if she had any faith in him.

In 2002, Clinton was among the majority in Congress who voted in favor of authorizing Bush to attack Iraq if Saddam Hussein refused to give up weapons of mass destruction as required by U.N. resolutions.

In a 2005 letter to constituents posted on her Senate Web site, she said that she took responsibility for her vote, which she said she made "on the basis of the evidence presented by the administration."

In turn, she said, "I, along with a majority of Americans, expect the president and his administration to take responsibility for the false assurances, faulty evidence and mismanagement of the war."

[JazmenFlowers]

wow. this will be interesting.

[gldstwmn]

wow. this will be interesting.

It certainly will be. :nod: I think at this point, a Clinton in the White House is going to sound mighty appealing to a lot of people.

[strandinthewind]

I think so too. She is, however, so polarizing and Fox is going to attempt to destroy her. I likely would vote for her though I am not a huge fan.

[ontheEdgeof17]

Interesting indeed. :)

[BombaySapphire3]

Barack Obama in 2008!!!!:blob2: :blob2: :blob2: :blob2:

[gldstwmn]

Just remember, she has one of the best political strategists of our times on her side- her husband. The only person that could possibly hope to eclipse her at this point is Al Gore. Men have been running this country for 200+ years. Maybe it's time for a woman to take a shot. Could it hurt?

[BombaySapphire3]

The only person that could possibly hope to eclipse her at this point is Al Gore.

Take a look at some of the polls .Barack is already starting to.

[seeker007nmss]

I can't stand her! Anybody but Hillary! Bill was a waste and the last thing we need is her. Good lord. I don't trust her or anything she does. (Did I mention, I don't like her?)

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a88/Dreamtimezzz/awjeeze.jpg

[BombaySapphire3]

I can't stand her! Anybody but Hillary! Bill wa a waste and the last thing we need is her. Good lord. I don't trust her or anything she does. (Did I mention, I don't like her?)


That is going to be one of the problems if she gets the nomination..she is about as likeable as a hemorrhoid.

[carrie721]

She is, however, so polarizing [...]

no kidding - i think this thread has already illustrated that in, like, 10 posts!

[gldstwmn]

Take a look at some of the polls .Barack is already starting to.

Don't shoot me I'm just the messenger. It ain't gonna happen babe.

[DavidMn]

I saw her on tv this morning. The woman is in serious need of a facelift!:shocked:

[gldstwmn]

Bill was a waste and the last thing we need is her. Good lord.


http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a397/peekingsleeping/awjeeze.jpg

:p :p :p :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[gldstwmn]

I saw her on tv this morning. The woman is in serious need of a facelift!:shocked:

Do you think her appearance will prohibit her from running the country?

[DavidMn]

Do you think her appearance will prohibit her from running the country?No. That wouldnt prevent me from voting for her if I chose to do so that is. How are you btw?

[Musicman408]

I am so excited. DEMS ALL THE WAY!!!!!:blob2:

[mikeschmike]

How are you btw?

there's a seperate thread for that now. :nod:

Good for Hilary I guess, but Obama is my man for the job.

[DavidMn]

there's a seperate thread for that now. :nod:

Good for Hilary I guess, but Obama is my man for the job.Oh how could I forget about Ethan's thread.:lol:

[vermicious knid]

Anybody but Hillary!

We already have anybody but Hillary. Do we want another Republican president? I sure as hell don't, and Hillary is the best candidate to make sure it doesn't happen.

It is not incorrect to say she is polarizing, but it may be better to be polarizing than for people to not have an opinion of you at all. 61% of Americans have no opinion of Barack Obama. Probably because he is so new. He is green; Hillary has the experience, and has lived a winning presidential campaign. And she is not as hated as you may believe. She has the highest approval rating of any 2008 presidential candidate, Democrat or Republican.

Information comes from here. (http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/CBSNews_polls/jana-candidates.pdf)

[seeker007nmss]

We already have anybody but Hillary. Do we want another Republican president? I sure as hell don't, and Hillary is the best candidate to make sure it doesn't happen.

It is not incorrect to say she is polarizing, but it may be better to be polarizing than for people to not have an opinion of you at all. 61% of Americans have no opinion of Barack Obama. Probably because he is so new. He is green; Hillary has the experience, and has lived a winning presidential campaign. And she is not as hated as you may believe. She has the highest approval rating of any 2008 presidential candidate, Democrat or Republican.

Information comes from here. (http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/CBSNews_polls/jana-candidates.pdf)

Okay, WHY would you want a corrupt, lying, manipulative, (wait am I talking about Hilary or George W?...oh yeah Hilliary) thing like her? Why is the choice always between the lesser of two evlis? Why not get a real candidate? Where is todays Thmoas Jefferson? There must be ONE noncorrupt, honest person out there. I would rather vote for an unknown possible evil, rather than one we KNOW is a corrupt, ...etc. like Hillary

[gldstwmn]

No. That wouldnt prevent me from voting for her if I chose to do so that is. How are you btw?

You'd vote for someone based on their looks? Or you'd vote for a woman based on her looks?
I'm fine, thank you for asking. :) I just came back from yoga. Namaste.

[gldstwmn]

Okay, WHY would you want a corrupt, lying, manipulative, thing like her?

She's been convicted of none of those things. And let's face it. We're all manipulative in our own ways, some more than others. :shrug:
And I'm not directing this next remark soley at you Jim but some of the men I have talked to today are really freaked about the prospect of Mrs. Clinton becoming president. It's like she's out to steal their balls or something. What gives?

[sparky]

This is gonna be high entertainment. I think Clinton's chances are good to get the nomination but doubt she is electable. The republicans don't just hate her - they loathe and despise her. As do many others. If she gets the nomantion, it'll be the ugliest, meanest campaign in modern history.
And when it comes down to it, I think many guys will have nut shrinkage and be unable to vote for a woman for president. The first thing they will think will be PMS.
Obama hasn't got a prayer. First off, he's not well known enough. Second, he's black (or half, anyway). Third and worst - that ridiculous name. Barack OBAMA. Are you kidding me? Barack HUSSEIN OBAMA? No chance. The populace of this country is neither interested enough nor enlightened enough to look past his race or his name. Never gonna happen.

McCain is interesting. I don't mind him too much. But, the religious fanatics don't like him so his chances for getting the nomination are slim.

It's gonna be interesting.

[bikerchic]

Hey, you Americans are going to get this thing right this time aren't you? :rolleyes:

[seeker007nmss]

She's been convicted of none of those things. And let's face it. We're all manipulative in our own ways, some more than others. :shrug:
And I'm not directing this next remark soley at you Jim but some of the men I have talked to today are really freaked about the prospect of Mrs. Clinton becoming president. It's like she's out to steal their balls or something. What gives?


Why is it that the minute you dislike someone everyone thinks it is because of gender or race? That has nothing to do with it. I don't like how she conducts herself, I don't like the clintons in general for that reason, and that reason alone. I would have the same reaction if Bill were somehow allowed to run again. (Thank god, that will never be).

I would love a women president. It might bring a different outlook to the whole mess. Unfortunately, to get to that level, the system would prevent any fresh views from anyone. Male or Female. I vote for the ideas of the person, not the color of their skin or the XY chromosomes factor.

And now...a baby polar bear

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a88/Dreamtimezzz/tiguak.jpg

[Nixxxed]

Hey, you Americans are going to get this thing right this time aren't you? :rolleyes:
:laugh:

We will if you will!

Is your next election in 2008 or 2010? I just read about some of the Canadian election guidelines on wiki & it was confusing as hell. Do you guys not have simple calendars??? ;)

[seeker007nmss]

Hey, you Americans are going to get this thing right this time aren't you? :rolleyes:

Nah, it will be messed up as usual.....:laugh: :p :nod:

[estranged4life]

Edwards over all...sorry! (Btw, I am married to a lifelong Democrat who loathes H.Clinton)

I wonder if an Independent will make the ballot this time around in OK? Rather enjoy wasting my vote this time instead of voting for candidates I dislike...

[seeker007nmss]

"If Hillary wins, we are going to stay in bed for the next 4 years."

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a88/Dreamtimezzz/Shelby2020Fluffy20Drawers.jpg

[seeker007nmss]

"I am not coming out till Hillary goes away!"

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a88/Dreamtimezzz/hiding.jpg

[BlackWidow]

I like her..don't love her..or trust her.

[seeker007nmss]

On a side note, if she did win would that make Bill the first (Insert Joke here)? :laugh:

[bikerchic]

:laugh:

We will if you will!

Is your next election in 2008 or 2010? I just read about some of the Canadian election guidelines on wiki & it was confusing as hell.

I have no idea :laugh: Whenever we feel like it. Whenever we get sick of Harper.

[seeker007nmss]

What we need is a Boudica type. Or is Xena available? (Crap she's from New Zealand and can't run)

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a88/Dreamtimezzz/Warrior-Queen-Boudica-Print-C121806.jpg

[bikerchic]

"If Hillary wins, we are going to stay in bed for the next 4 years."

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a88/Dreamtimezzz/Shelby2020Fluffy20Drawers.jpg

Are those your kitties? They are soooo cute!

[seeker007nmss]

Are those your kitties? They are soooo cute!

I can't have kitties for health reasons. :distress: Although I have a few who like to visit (from the neighbors) from time to time.

[BlackWidow]

I would vote EDWARDS/Clinton

[Rickypt]

I like Senator Clinton a great deal. She's been one of our greatest champions on health care, and especially on HIV/AIDS, which is a passion of mine.

If she hadn't been such an utter disaster on the Iraq War then I would be celebrating today. Unfortunately, she has been wrong all along the way, and what disappoints me the most is that I don't think her stance on the war has been from her own principles, rather from her playbook on how to win the presidency in '08. Fascinating that the week she announces her intention, she finally beings saying the right things about this disgrace.

Obama's youth and lack of experience at the federal level is of concern, but I refuse to be a part of the "he can't win because he's half black and because of his name". To buy into that is to be part of the problem.

Right now, the only candidate who could eclipse my support for Obama would be Al Gore, because he was right on the war all along as well. Edwards is very appealing and he has at least admitted his vote was wrong and has been speaking out against the atrocity for quite a while now.

What I will celebrate is the fact that two of the top candidates are a woman and a half-black man. I don't believe in the "are we ready" bullsh*t.

[Rickypt]

And here is a speech made by Barack Obama (what a ridiculous name :rolleyes: ) in late 2002. I will take someone of his intellect and judgement over the more "seasoned", yet wrong, Senator Clinton.

Remarks of Illinois State Sen. Barack Obama Against Going to War with Iraq
October 26, 2002

I stand before you as someone who is not opposed to war in all circumstances. The Civil War was one of the bloodiest in history, and yet it was only through the crucible of the sword, the sacrifice of multitudes, that we could begin to perfect this union and drive the scourge of slavery from our soil.

I don't oppose all wars. My grandfather signed up for a war the day after Pearl Harbor was bombed, fought in Patton's army. He fought in the name of a larger freedom, part of that arsenal of democracy that triumphed over evil.

I don't oppose all wars. After September 11, after witnessing the carnage and destruction, the dust and the tears, I supported this administration's pledge to hunt down and root out those who would slaughter innocents in the name of intolerance, and I would willingly take up arms myself to prevent such tragedy from happening again.

I don't oppose all wars. What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other armchair, weekend warriors in this administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne. What I am opposed to is the attempt by political hacks like Karl Rove to distract us from a rise in the uninsured, a rise in the poverty rate, a drop in the median income, to distract us from corporate scandals and a stock market that has just gone through the worst month since the Great Depression.

That's what I'm opposed to. A dumb war. A rash war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics.

Now let me be clear: I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power.... The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him. But I also know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors...and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history.

I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a U.S. occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of al-Qaeda.

I am not opposed to all wars. I'm opposed to dumb wars. So for those of us who seek a more just and secure world for our children, let us send a clear message to the president.

You want a fight, President Bush? Let's finish the fight with Bin Laden and al-Qaeda, through effective, coordinated intelligence, and a shutting down of the financial networks that support terrorism, and a homeland security program that involves more than color-coded warnings.

You want a fight, President Bush? Let's fight to make sure that...we vigorously enforce a nonproliferation treaty, and that former enemies and current allies like Russia safeguard and ultimately eliminate their stores of nuclear material, and that nations like Pakistan and India never use the terrible weapons already in their possession, and that the arms merchants in our own country stop feeding the countless wars that rage across the globe.

You want a fight, President Bush? Let's fight to make sure our so-called allies in the Middle East, the Saudis and the Egyptians, stop oppressing their own people, and suppressing dissent, and tolerating corruption and inequality, and mismanaging their economies so that their youth grow up without education, without prospects, without hope, the ready recruits of terrorist cells.

You want a fight, President Bush? Let's fight to wean ourselves off Middle East oil through an energy policy that doesn't simply serve the interests of Exxon and Mobil.

Those are the battles that we need to fight. Those are the battles that we willingly join. The battles against ignorance and intolerance. Corruption and greed. Poverty and despair.

http://www.barackobama.com/2002/10/26/iraq_war.php

[BlackWidow]

I like Senator Clinton a great deal. She's been one of our greatest champions on health care, and especially on HIV/AIDS, which is a passion of mine.

If she hadn't been such an utter disaster on the Iraq War then I would be celebrating today. Unfortunately, she has been wrong all along the way, and what disappoints me the most is that I don't think her stance on the war has been from her own principles, rather from her playbook on how to win the presidency in '08. Fascinating that the week she announces her intention, she finally beings saying the right things about this disgrace.

Obama's youth and lack of experience at the federal level is of concern, but I refuse to be a part of the "he can't win because he's half black and because of his name". To buy into that is to be part of the problem.

Right now, the only candidate who could eclipse my support for Obama would be Al Gore, because he was right on the war all along as well. Edwards is very appealing and he has at least admitted his vote was wrong and has been speaking out against the atrocity for quite a while now.

What I will celebrate is the fact that two of the top candidates are a woman and a half-black man. I don't believe in the "are we ready" bull****.

Edwards/Clinton :thumbsup:

[bikerchic]

I vote for Al Gore. I really liked his movie. Is he running?

[seeker007nmss]

I vote for Al Gore. I really liked his movie. Is he running?


I heard an interview on NPR and he said he wouldn't run. But you never know....:shrug:

[Rickypt]

Edwards/Clinton :thumbsup:

Not my ideal, but a million times better than any Republican combo, particularly John "Just Send In My Troops" McCain.

[Rickypt]

I vote for Al Gore. I really liked his movie. Is he running?

He will if Clinton stumbles and Obama goes nowhere.

[BlackWidow]

He will if Clinton stumbles and Obama goes nowhere.

I would vote: Gore/Clinton or Edwards/Clinton

[JazmenFlowers]

You'd vote for someone based on their looks? Or you'd vote for a woman based on her looks?
I'm fine, thank you for asking. :) I just came back from yoga. Namaste.
Bill...I need La Mer stat! :laugh:

and praise you for being able to do namaste.

[bikerchic]

I wish Jon Stewart would run.

[seeker007nmss]

I would vote: Gore/Clinton or Edwards/Clinton


How about Gore/Edwards?

[BlackWidow]

How about Gore/Edwards?

yes...Gore/Edwards would be my TOP CHOICE!!!

[gldstwmn]

Bill...I need La Mer stat! :laugh:

and praise you for being able to do namaste.

This is only my fourth class since my car accident in 7/05. I'm pretty proud of myself for getting back on the horse. Plus it makes me feel really good. :) Maybe we should require our leaders to do yoga. I think it would really help Bush and Cheney. :laugh:

[gldstwmn]

yes...Gore/Edwards would be my TOP CHOICE!!!

It would be a fantastic ticket. But Edwards has indicated he ain't running for VP again.

[markolas]

I'm not a huge fan of her, but then again, any candidate I would pick would basically be a Socialist, and therefore unelectable.

As far as Hillary being electable...I dunno. Depends on who the Republican nominee is. She may have a better shot against McCain than against Guiliani. Has Mutt Romney announced that he's running yet?

[bikerchic]

Listen girls, you need to get a woman in there! Women are more sensitive. You'd have less sons and daughters going off to war. Women's health issue's would be at the forefront. Longer materrnity leave, hey you might even get paid leave every month for menstruation including all supplies :blob1: :laugh: All cosmetics and cosmetic surgery will be paid for. All hair appointemts including two hours pay, every six weeks for the hair appointment. And finally, two free shopping days every month! Just think of the possibilities girls (and guy's ;) ) ! :laugh:

[Rickypt]

It would be a fantastic ticket. But Edwards has indicated he ain't running for VP again.

Ah, he's just saying that. He'd totally do it if he doesn't win the nomination.

[Rickypt]

New Mexico gov Bill Richardson entering the race. I think he'd make an appealing VP candidate but don't think he'll go far in the primaries. The west and southwest are crucial for a Dem win, as is the Latino vote, and he can help deliver this.

Actually, a Clinton/Richardson ticket could be really strong.

[DavidMn]

Mutt Romney
NO NOT THAT HAIR!!!!!!:lol:

[Rickypt]

To address the issue of Obama's inexperience:

What really constitutes true experience to be President? Bill Clinton's experience was running a very small state and had no foreign policy background. Hillary Clinton has been in the Senate for 6 years; is that really that much more than 2 years? She was an active First Lady, but I'm not sure that counts much more than Obama's experience in the Illinois State Legislature.

Now if we were to compare the experience of Al Gore or Joe Biden against Obama, then it is no contest.

[Rickypt]

Okay, I'm more or less having a conversation with myself here. :D

So, I really think Richardson is running for Hillary's VP slot. I struggle to think why he would believe that he'd have a better chance than the top 3. But he needs some national exposure, so he'll do the campaign for a bit, drop out when he comes in 4th or 5th (or worse) in the first few primaries, but will be strongly considered a good shot for VP nominee.

He was in the Clinton Administration and I think good friends with Sen. Clinton? I wonder if they've already talked and set things up for a Clinton/Richardson ticket. That would be powerful--many people are longing for the Clinton years and two people from that era running together could be the ticket to success.:nod:

On another note, anyone see Kennedy on Meet The Press? He said that he will support John Kerry if he runs. :rolleyes:

[gldstwmn]

Hmmm. A lot of people were talking about Evan Bayh as Hillary's VP. Richardson is a good choice as well though.

[strandinthewind]

. . . On another note, anyone see Kennedy on Meet The Press? He said that he will support John Kerry if he runs. :rolleyes:


He kind of has to say that :shrug:

I think Edwards would consider being Hillary's VP - but she pretty much will pick a governor from some state were she will be in trouble.

[Rickypt]

He kind of has to say that :shrug:

I think Edwards would consider being Hillary's VP - but she pretty much will pick a governor from some state were she will be in trouble.

Richardson would help deliver New Mexico, Arizona, maybe Colorado. This would take the pressure off trying to get Florida and Ohio.

[strandinthewind]

Richardson would help deliver New Mexico, Arizona, maybe Colorado. This would take the pressure off trying to get Florida and Ohio.

True!

She will have to win Florida to win :shrug:

This is going to play out very interestingly though and she is a survivor and she has a hugely talented crew with her.

IMO - it all comes down to W and his complete and utter failures - I think those will make a few people vote for any D even if it is Hillary - a little like me voting for Kerry in 04.

[estranged4life]

she pretty much will pick a governor from some state were she will be in trouble.

she wont pick Governor Brad Henry cause she is in MAJOR trouble already in OK. According to a local poll, she would finish behind Edwards, Gore & Barack (In that order) as the Demo's nomination if selected by Oklahoma voters - Funny, according to a larger OK poll Edwards could be the first Democrat to carry that state of OK since JFK if he would get the nod.

[sparky]

I just watched the video on her web site. Damn she seems phony.
Not buying it. It's like bad acting. Even though I agree with her on a lot of things, she comes off as slippery and insincere.

[SuzeQuze]

Listen girls, you need to get a woman in there! Women are more sensitive. You'd have less sons and daughters going off to war. Women's health issue's would be at the forefront. Longer materrnity leave, hey you might even get paid leave every month for menstruation including all supplies :blob1: :laugh: All cosmetics and cosmetic surgery will be paid for. All hair appointemts including two hours pay, every six weeks for the hair appointment. And finally, two free shopping days every month! Just think of the possibilities girls (and guy's ;) ) ! :laugh:

Not to mention birth control would be fully covered by health insurance rather than having a LARGER COPAY than other medications. Frigging ridiculous puritanical system.

[Rickypt]

I just watched the video on her web site. Damn she seems phony.
Not buying it. It's like bad acting. Even though I agree with her on a lot of things, she comes off as slippery and insincere.

I agree. That whole thing about wanting a "conversation" with the country....please. I thought SNL did a great job pegging her this week.

But, like you, I agree with her on a lot of things and think she'd probably make a pretty good president. She won't get my primary vote because of her actions on the war, but I'll be happy to vote for her in the general if she makes it.

[amber]

I agree. That whole thing about wanting a "conversation" with the country....please. I thought SNL did a great job pegging her this week.


:lol: :lol:

that was hilarious. I just spent about 10 minutes on youtube looking for it, to no avail. They have other skits from last week, but not that one. :(
If anyone finds it...

[Rickypt]

:lol: :lol:

that was hilarious. I just spent about 10 minutes on youtube looking for it, to no avail. They have other skits from last week, but not that one. :(
If anyone finds it...

And that was the only funny skit the entire night!

[Sarah]

I just really dislike her in an ice princess sort of way.

And, as much as I'd like for there to be a female president, I don't want her to be the first one, and I definitely don't think this is a good time for it. Allah might get pissed. :rolleyes:

[strandinthewind]

^^^

The vast majority of women I know hate her seemingly because they see her as a pushy bitch. It seems women would realize that pretty much is what she had to be to get where she is and that although others like Kay Bailey H. of Liddy Dole may appear to be sugary, they likely are just as tough.

[amber]

And that was the only funny skit the entire night!

Oh, I disagree. For instance I just watched on youtube again "Oh, Really?" the new news segment. "so you put your weed, which isn't allowed on a plane, in a water bottle which also isn't allowed on the plane? Really? You didn't think they would check for drugs at MIAMI airport? Really? And you were flying home to Atlanta, do you not keep weed at your house? Really? Cause if you like weed, you should have some at your house..." :laugh:

Anyway, about Hillary. She's slippery, but I like her. I attribute some of her excessive ice princess qualities to the fact that she is a scorpio, they often appear cold.
Also, she's smart and has a ton to do, and is a girl. I don't think she needs to waste time being warm and fuzzy. I don't need that from my candidates, I need someone who solves problems, and is smart and learned.
She's okay. Her record is less than stellar in my eyes, but I also respect her in a lot of ways.

[Rickypt]

Oh, I disagree. For instance I just watched on youtube again "Oh, Really?" the new news segment. "so you put your weed, which isn't allowed on a plane, in a water bottle which also isn't allowed on the plane? Really? You didn't think they would check for drugs at MIAMI airport? Really? And you were flying home to Atlanta, do you not keep weed at your house? Really? Cause if you like weed, you should have some at your house..." :laugh:



Ah, I was gonna say the news segment was also funny. The "Oh Really" piece was a riot!!

And who was that group? AFI?? I'm getting really old because they scared me. :laugh:

[skcin]

Okay, WHY would you want a corrupt, lying, manipulative, (wait am I talking about Hilary or George W?...oh yeah Hilliary) thing like her?

Specific examples please. I'm curious why you feel this way about her.


The vast majority of women I know hate her seemingly because they see her as a pushy bitch.

Funny. That's why I like her. :D

[Rickypt]

I'm intrigued by Hillary Clinton's speech at the DNC yesterday. Where she stated that if she were president in October, 2002, she wouldn't have gone to war in Iraq. Maybe not, but please, she has been a big supporter of this war until about two weeks ago. Her immediate shift to anti-war candidate rings so hollow.

She's just too phony. And too obviously phony. I like her a great deal. And I would like to support her, but she's so far down the list of primary candidates for me.

[markolas]

^^^

The vast majority of women I know hate her seemingly because they see her as a pushy bitch. It seems women would realize that pretty much is what she had to be to get where she is and that although others like Kay Bailey H. of Liddy Dole may appear to be sugary, they likely are just as tough.

Kay Bailey Hutchinson is a barracuda, and so is Elizabeth Dole. They put on a phony-baloney facade, but underneath, they're eeeeeviiiiiiiiiiil personified. Typical southern-fried Baptist women.

[Rickypt]

I have a problem with the Democrats who voted for the war during the swell of patriotism after 9/11. Now they backtrack and try to cover their arses.

I agree, but I do at least appreciate John Edwards' complete apology and admission that he was wrong. It doesn't excuse the vote but it shows some maturity. I personally plan to vote in the primary for someone who was against the war from the start, whether it's Obama, Al Gore if he gets in, or even Kucinich. That's my only true way of protesting.

Thing about Hillary, she absolutely can't backtrack at this point. She has been too supportive of the war. Instead of going back to 2002 and trying to say this or that, she should just say what she really feels. The only thing that would seem sincere coming from her is something like "I voted for the war and I still think it was the right vote at the time. But the war has been mismanaged, and here is my proposal for what to do starting right now."

[gldstwmn]

Say it with me people: GORE! GORE! GORE! GORE! :blob2: :blob2: :blob2:

[Macfanforever]

Hum, maybe another Fleetwood Mac get together doing "Don't Stop" when Clintons Campaign starts rolling.

[Rickypt]

Say it with me people: GORE! GORE! GORE! GORE! :blob2: :blob2: :blob2:

I'm with you. I'd really like him to jump in the race.

[mylittledemon]

Barack Obama in 2008!!!!:blob2: :blob2: :blob2: :blob2:

Hmm...dont trust him either for some reason...

[strandinthewind]

Kay Bailey Hutchinson is a barracuda, and so is Elizabeth Dole. They put on a phony-baloney facade, but underneath, they're eeeeeviiiiiiiiiiil personified. Typical southern-fried Baptist women.

And Hillary is a straight shooter :eek:

[markolas]

And Hillary is a straight shooter :eek:

Oh, no, I never said she was. But these Southern bitches are worse. I would love to move to the Northeast, if only they didn't have such ****ty weather.

[strandinthewind]

Oh, no, I never said she was. But these Southern bitches are worse. I would love to move to the Northeast, if only they didn't have such ****ty weather.

I put them all in the same category. Like the other two - Hillary dresses to a T and lies through her teeth. But, to each their own :cool:

[markolas]

I put them all in the same category. Like the other two - Hillary dresses to a T and lies through her teeth. But, to each their own :cool:

There's just something about a Southern accent that sounds so sinister to me, though. :laugh:

[strandinthewind]

There's just something about a Southern accent that sounds so sinister to me, though. :laugh:

You just hate a Chanel suit ;)

[Rickypt]

Hmm...dont trust him either for some reason...

That's interesting...can you share more? I do think Obama is the least experienced of the bunch, but I trust him more than all of them. I find him to always give clear answers, sometimes way more info than most people want.

[Rickypt]

Very, very bad answer from Hillary Clinton on whether or not homosexuality is immoral. I'm interested in seeing responses from other candidates:

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/03/14/clinton-ducks-answer-on-whether-homosexualty-is-immoral/

March 14, 2007, 6:40 pm
Clinton Ducks Answer on Whether Homosexualty is ‘Immoral’

By Patrick Healy

Asked if she believed homosexuality was immoral, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton declined to answer the question in a television interview this morning and said it was for “others to conclude.”

General Peter Pace, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said in a recent interview that he personally believed homosexuality was immoral and that this view was a factor in his opposition to gays serving openly in the military.

Mrs. Clinton, a candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination, supports allowing gays to serve, which would amount to a change in her husband’s “don’t ask don’t tell” policy. She has also been aggressively courting gay voters and groups in recent weeks. Some gay groups have been critical of Mrs. Clinton’s refusal to support gay marriage, however, though she does support civil unions.

Asked on ABC News today if she agreed with General Pace’s view that homosexuality was immoral, Mrs. Clinton said: “Well I’m going to leave that to others to conclude.” She added, “I’m very proud of the gays and lesbians I know who perform work that is essential to our country, who want to serve their country and I want make sure they can.”

[markolas]

Very, very bad answer from Hillary Clinton on whether or not homosexuality is immoral. I'm interested in seeing responses from other candidates

She's acting like a presidential candidate already. :laugh:

Seriously, my first reaction was "She's such a bitch." She's definitely trying to play both sides of the fence, no matter what she really thinks. Will it backfire? Who knows? This is kind of a weird presidential race. For the first time, the Republicans don't look like they have a sure-fire win right off the bat. McCain is too old now, and I think is perceived as kind of unstable; Guiliani will be eaten alive over his affairs, marriages, and liberal social views; Mitt Romney is a Mormon, which will not go over well with the evangelical/fundamentalist Christian base, who view Mormons as non-Christians. I don't know a hell of a lot about Mike Huckabee, but I wonder if he's actually too reactionary to be electable, if that's possible. Then there's talk that Newt Gingrich might run, but I think he's even less electable, so... :shrug:

I think Hillary will probably be the Democratic candidate; Obama is unelectable. I can see a Clinton/Edwards ticket, and of course I'd vote for it, but Hillary's love for the gays runs hot and cold, and we need to remember that she's not exactly our friend.

[estranged4life]

I'm going for William "KHAN!!!!! KHAN!!!!" Shatner in 2008 - More personality than Gore and a better actor than Clinton :thumbsup:

Gee, the more I see who is running for the '2 party system' the more appreciative I am that I am an Independent.

Shatner/Fonzie in 2008..."Ayyyyyy!" :thumbsup:

[Rickypt]

She's acting like a presidential candidate already. :laugh:

Seriously, my first reaction was "She's such a bitch." She's definitely trying to play both sides of the fence, no matter what she really thinks. Will it backfire? Who knows? This is kind of a weird presidential race. For the first time, the Republicans don't look like they have a sure-fire win right off the bat. McCain is too old now, and I think is perceived as kind of unstable; Guiliani will be eaten alive over his affairs, marriages, and liberal social views; Mitt Romney is a Mormon, which will not go over well with the evangelical/fundamentalist Christian base, who view Mormons as non-Christians. I don't know a hell of a lot about Mike Huckabee, but I wonder if he's actually too reactionary to be electable, if that's possible. Then there's talk that Newt Gingrich might run, but I think he's even less electable, so... :shrug:

I think Hillary will probably be the Democratic candidate; Obama is unelectable. I can see a Clinton/Edwards ticket, and of course I'd vote for it, but Hillary's love for the gays runs hot and cold, and we need to remember that she's not exactly our friend.

Yep to most of this (although I think Obama is electable). Thing about this latest with Clinton is that it shows she can't even take a strong stand on something basic. To me, the question "is homosexuality immoral" is a gut question. You have an opinion one way or another. She wants to be president of the U.S., but says it is not for her to decide if it is immoral or not.

I find her answer to be repugnant.

[Rickypt]

Look, Republican Senator John Warner managed to make a clear and firm statement:


"I respectfully but strongly disagree with the chairman's view that homosexuality is immoral," the senator said. "In keeping with my long-standing respect for the Armed Services Committee hearing process, I will decline to comment on the current policy until after such hearings are held."

[strandinthewind]

. . . I find her answer to be repugnant.

She is repugnant - I predict she will have an official answer on this as soon as her people (amongst the best in the world mind you) determine what side of the fence to fall on. Personally, I think she will say she does not think it is immoral. And, in this instance, the question was irelevant.

[markolas]

Look, Republican Senator John Warner managed to make a clear and firm statement:


"I respectfully but strongly disagree with the chairman's view that homosexuality is immoral," the senator said. "In keeping with my long-standing respect for the Armed Services Committee hearing process, I will decline to comment on the current policy until after such hearings are held."

Ooh, yeah, that makes her look even worse. :mad:

[Rickypt]

She is repugnant - I predict she will have an official answer on this as soon as her people (amongst the best in the world mind you) determine what side of the fence to fall on. Personally, I think she will say she does not think it is immoral. And, in this instance, the question was irelevant.

You make a good point. The question was kind of irrelevant. The question should be more like "how would you approach your policy decisions around gay issues"? Because it really doesn't matter if she finds homosexuality to be immoral as long as she could separate those feelings and make policy based on the right factors.

[BombaySapphire3]

Quote:
Originally Posted by BombaySapphire3
Take a look at some of the polls .Barack is already starting to.

Don't shoot me I'm just the messenger. It ain't gonna happen babe.
he just took Iowa!!!! we shalll see...

[gldstwmn]

I wonder if it's the Oprah factor... Anyway, we've got a way to go yet.