Say You Will Alternates

[joshywashy377]

I was invited to the Seven Wonders Myspace page and on it was a Thrown Down alternate which was really great. I was wondering if there are any more Say You Will alternates (not demos) such as this. I mean it sounds like it could have come straight off the album. Thanks, Josh.

[foxyluva]

As far as I know, there are no other alternates of this nature. There are single mixes and outtakes however, but nothing too different :)

[HomerMcvie]

I have the other Thrown Down, too. AFAIK, it's the only "other" mix of any of the SYW songs.

[LukeA]

I have the other Thrown Down, too. AFAIK, it's the only "other" mix of any of the SYW songs.

There's also the solo version of Peacekeeper that Lindsey released Spring 2001.

[gldstwmn]

The other Thrown Down was actually determined to be an outtake from the Trouble In Shangri La sessions.
To date we have only seen in circulation alternate mixes that were created by the fans.
Lindsey's Gifts Of Screws mixes of the Say You Will songs are basically the same with some overdubs and very minor tweaking to these ears.
I would kill to hear Stevie's demo submissions of these songs to the band as, IMO the only song that seemed to get rightful treatment on Say You Will was Destiny Rules.

[mylittledemon]

the Chris Lord Alge remix of "Say You Will" is quite a bit different. Stevie's vocal is a different take, and the main guitar is more "electric"

[joshywashy377]

Yeah the one im talking about is 4:43. Lindsey's on it so i assume its more around the Say You Will time. I also have two thrown down TISL demos. Also i do love Lindseys Peacekeeper, prbly more than the actual one! Thanks guys, Josh C

[gldstwmn]

the Chris Lord Alge remix of "Say You Will" is quite a bit different. Stevie's vocal is a different take, and the main guitar is more "electric"

I don't think the vocal is different. And the guitar is just a bit more forward in certain parts of the mix.
I should clarify that yes, there were several alternate mixes from Say You Will shipped to radio stations. But I was really addressing the fact that there are no demos or outtakes from the sessions at the Bellagio house and specifically no circulating demos of the Phoenix four songs that were played in the documentary. There are some tracks from Lindsey at the Village Recorder which later wound up on Say You Will. And then of course there is the still unreleased stuff from GOS which I hope he's going to release on this next electric album.

Here is the "cold remix" version of Say You Will produced by Chris Lord Alge. Is this the one you're talking about?

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=C1DE01583EAC51BD

[gldstwmn]

Actually, now that I think about it, the DVD A version of Say You Will did have some different... tweaks to the songs. I think it's most evident on Running Through The Garden. So I'm off to find that. Here's the Thrown Down I think you were originally talking about:

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=921955B4653C3F0F

[strandinthewind]

Actually, now that I think about it, the DVD A version of Say You Will did have some different... tweaks to the songs. I think it's most evident on Running Through The Garden. So I'm off to find that. Here's the Thrown Down I think you were originally talking about:

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=921955B4653C3F0F

Yes, the chorus of TD was a little different. I think we noticed that in some city.

[foxyluva]

the only song that seemed to get rightful treatment on Say You Will was Destiny Rules.

I disagree - I think "Illume" was exactly how it should have been, and demonstrated how FM should have sounded in the 21st century :shrug:

[strandinthewind]

Well obviously there's no right or wrong. It's just a matter of opinion. With respect to Illume, I like the song. But it's a direct rip off of Richard Ashcroft's New York. That melody is not original. They should have at least credited him.

And - like in TD and SYW - there shoulf have been a last verse instead of the repeating of the chorus. And - that gimmicky voice thing - ugh!

[gldstwmn]

And - like in TD and SYW - there shoulf have been a last verse instead of the repeating of the chorus. And - that gimmicky voice thing - ugh!

Yeah the helium voice...was that really necessary? John shines on this song though. It's amazing how he makes the song so many times. He does it on a lot of Stevie's songs.

[strandinthewind]

. . . It's amazing how he makes the song so many times. He does it on a lot of Stevie's songs.

I think that is because he is way talented and she tend to write in such a stark manner that he has more freedom to create his part - but in songs like Dreams (WHERE HE RULES THE SONG IMO) he essentially follows her chords in the stark demo.

[Peestie]

Actually, now that I think about it, the DVD A version of Say You Will did have some different... tweaks to the songs. I think it's most evident on Running Through The Garden. So I'm off to find that. Here's the Thrown Down I think you were originally talking about:

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=921955B4653C3F0F

Ever since I heard this version I've liked it more than the one that turned up on the album (though I still think it kicks serious ass), but the only thing that stops me listening to it more is that it's not as good quality :( . I just wish there was a lossless version out there. Anyone know if there is?

Actually, on more detailed listening, I don't think it's exactly the same as the one I have (5 seconds shorter and maybe slight differences here and there). The one I heard was the "single mix" and I don't remember where I got it, but I think it was buckinghamnicks.net.

[Johnny Stew]

The one I heard was the "single mix"There was no actual "single mix" for "Thrown Down"... that was just the phrase some fans used to distinguish it from the album version.
It's also been called the "Wall of Sound" version.

As gldstwmn pointed out earlier in the thread, it's actually an outtake from the 'Trouble In Shangri-La' sessions.

[Peestie]

There was no actual "single mix" for "Thrown Down"... that was just the phrase some fans used to distinguish it from the album version.
It's also been called the "Wall of Sound" version.

As gldstwmn pointed out earlier in the thread, it's actually an outtake from the 'Trouble In Shangri-La' sessions.

Ah right, cool. I didn't think it had been release as a single, but I wasn't sure. So were Lindsey's vocals just added then? What about drums and bass? If it's an out-take from one of her solo albums would John and Mick have been on it?

[Johnny Stew]

the Chris Lord Alge remix of "Say You Will" is quite a bit different. Stevie's vocal is a different take....

I don't think the vocal is different.

The majority of Stevie's vocals are the same as the album version, but the second line of the second verse ("here is a place that will never be dark -- I remember that place") is either from a different take or was re-recorded.

[gldstwmn]

The majority of Stevie's vocals are the same as the album version, but the second line of the second verse ("here is a place that will never be dark -- I remember that place") is either from a different take or was re-recorded.

Hmmm. Now I have to listen to that again.

[Johnny Stew]

Ah right, cool. I didn't think it had been release as a single, but I wasn't sure. So were Lindsey's vocals just added then? What about drums and bass? If it's an out-take from one of her solo albums would John and Mick have been on it?John and Mick aren't on that version, but Lindsey definitely is.

In 2000, Sheryl Crow talked to Billboard magazine and discussed working on 'TISL' with Stevie, and she mentioned that Lindsey had just been in the studio with them to record parts for two songs -- one of which would "really satisfy the diehard fans." (I paraphrased.)

(For the record, "Thrown Down" was released as a single in late November of 2003 -- simultaneously with "Steal Your Heart Away." But as they were released just as most AC stations were switching over to their Christmas music formats, neither received very much airplay.)

[gldstwmn]

Ever since I heard this version I've liked it more than the one that turned up on the album (though I still think it kicks serious ass), but the only thing that stops me listening to it more is that it's not as good quality :( . I just wish there was a lossless version out there. Anyone know if there is?

Actually, on more detailed listening, I don't think it's exactly the same as the one I have (5 seconds shorter and maybe slight differences here and there). The one I heard was the "single mix" and I don't remember where I got it, but I think it was buckinghamnicks.net.

I've never come across a lossless version of that version of Thrown Down. I think it originally showed up on a German CD that was shipped to radio stations? Does anyone else remember that?
I like all versions of Thrown Down. I think the one in question would have sounded out of place on Say You Will though. The vocal and big rock sound are more compatible with Trouble In Shangri La, although it didn't quite with that record either.

[gldstwmn]

John and Mick aren't on that version, but Lindsey definitely is.



There are some drum parts that definitely sound like Mick to me on that song. I'd like to know who did play the drums on it.

[mylittledemon]

The majority of Stevie's vocals are the same as the album version, but the second line of the second verse ("here is a place that will never be dark -- I remember that place") is either from a different take or was re-recorded.

Yep thats part of what i was talkin bout. =)