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estranged4life
11-15-2006, 01:59 PM
this article was in the newspaper this morning, thought maybe some of y'all needed a good laugh at the BS spewing from the article & the God-made BS spewing from the State Southern Baptist Convention (I added my own social commentary on this article):

"Oklahoma Southern Baptists are urging businesses, organizations and government to provide family benefits only to "traditional families" — not same-sex or unmarried couples.

The Baptist General Convention of Oklahoma, meeting Tuesday in Oklahoma City, defined a traditional family as a household headed by a husband and wife or a single parent. Leaders said homosexual and unmarried couples living together are precluded from the definition.

(Uh-oh, The poor ol' 'unmarried couples' are in trouble now, wonder how they'll react? Hmmm, maybe by not attending services on Sunday? Maybe by not putting money in the offering plate since they wont be allowed in church on Sunday? Oh wait, how could I forget, when Oklahoma passed a law last year to define marriage as only between a man & woman they worded the law to leave out those unmarried couples too...Damn, my slow brain, What was I thinking! So if you were an unmarried couple and you voted in favor of that law ya basically screwed yourself more than anyone else.)

A resolution on the matter was approved Tuesday by 1,009 representatives attending the convention's 100th annual meeting at Quail Springs Baptist Church, 14613 N May. Calling the homosexual lifestyle abhorrent, one leader said the resolution helps fight a societal assault on family values and the institution of marriage.

"In our society we know what people consider ‘family' is rapidly changing. As Christians and believers, we still believe it's not a man and a man, or a woman and a woman. Based on the word of God, that does not constitute a family," said the Rev. Rick Frie, convention resolutions committee chairman.

(Really, God said that? **** I talk to God all the time...He never replies back with his opinion. Maybe he doesnt like me or his phone is too busy and he no longer cares to answer prayers for some dimwit to "win the lottery". I guess I could talk to God LOUDLY in public so people can point and say "Look, that guy is frikkin' mental, He's talking to noone"-But I doubt even then He would answer me :shrug: )

The Rev. Anthony Jordan, the convention's executive director-treasurer, said the resolution is the Baptists' way of staying true to the Scriptures.

"There has been an all-out frontal attack on traditional family. When companies accept homosexual partners, they are eroding the foundations of traditional marriage and family," he said.

(What exactly is a "frontal attack"? I am very surprised they didnt use "rear attack" since they're very homo-phobic.)

"Having said that, we have no hate for homosexuals. We love homosexuals as much as we love anyone, but we will not and cannot ignore their lifestyle as being abhorrent."

(Sounds like a contradiction there Reverend Numbnuts-"We love....BUT", yeah like noone saw that ever popular BUT coming.)

Jordan said the resolution's definition of family also precludes other lifestyles.

"We would say the same thing about living in immorality," he said, referring to common law unions.

(Nah, "living in morality" is believing in what you said preacher..."Unfortunately I do this moronic thing called thinking and I form thoughts and opinions for myself. I dont have to be trained to believe anything"-George Carlin)

Frie said single parents are considered traditional families "because we realize that today, there's a family where a mom's trying to raise kids, or a dad, whether there's been a divorce or death."

A resolution to take Baptist children out of public schools did not make it to the floor for a vote.

Like other Southern Baptist state conventions across the country, Frie said an "exit strategy" resolution calling for Southern Baptists to pull their children from public schools was submitted to the Oklahoma convention. It was not one of several resolutions approved Tuesday.

Frie said Oklahoma Southern Baptists wanted to send a different message. Instead of supporting the exit strategy proposal initially introduced at the Southern Baptist Convention's annual meeting several years ago, the committee submitted a resolution encouraging parents to be involved in their children's education in public, private or home schools.

Jordan said he was not surprised convention delegates approved the resolution.

"We do not propose an exit strategy because we believe we still have an opportunity to be ‘salt and light' in the public school system and we believe there are many public school systems across Oklahoma that are doing a good job," he said.

Jordan also said there are many good teachers and administrators committed to working within the public schools.

(What the hell is with the religatarded right and this exit strategy crap?)

skcin
11-15-2006, 02:12 PM
"There has been an all-out frontal attack on traditional family. When companies accept homosexual partners, they are eroding the foundations of traditional marriage and family," he said.



Yeah! I wish you gays would stop attacking my family by being gay with all of your gayness & stuff! :mad: Cuz man, does you being gay really affect me and my family.



:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

PsychCat
11-15-2006, 02:13 PM
With a thread title like that, how could I NOT see what this was about?? :eek:

It will be a better place when groups like this get out of others beezwax and pay attention to their own "stuff".
When they throw out concepts like this and protest with such vengence about the latest whatever.... they only end up pointing out their own shortcomings.
They don't seem to "get it".... :shrug:

Nixxxed
11-15-2006, 02:22 PM
How strange that hypocrites who get repeatedly divorced aren't included in their Crusade...

SuzeQuze
11-15-2006, 02:24 PM
I can't believe how threatened some people are by gay marriage. A couple getting married is no assault on anything. God also failed to tell me it's abhorrent. I guess I'm not on His call list.

mikeschmike
11-15-2006, 02:26 PM
Really, God said that? **** I talk to God all the time...He never replies back with his opinion. Maybe he doesnt like me or his phone is too busy and he no longer cares to answer prayers for some dimwit to "win the lottery".

I'd like to think that God is on the "do not call" list.

SuzeQuze
11-15-2006, 02:28 PM
How strange that hypocrites who get repeatedly divorced aren't included in their Crusade...

Why is your bird standing on a dildo? :lol: :sorry:

skcin
11-15-2006, 02:29 PM
Why is your bird standing on a dildo? :lol: :sorry:

ROTFLMAO! :lol:

estranged4life
11-15-2006, 02:32 PM
I can't believe how threatened some people are by gay marriage. A couple getting married is no assault on anything. God also failed to tell me it's abhorrent. I guess I'm not on His call list.

is distancing himself from Furher Bush & his Third Religious Reich, So He probably isnt answering even His cellphone at this time :shrug: :lol:

Nixxxed
11-15-2006, 02:35 PM
Why is your bird standing on a dildo? :lol: :sorry:
:lol: :lol:

I had to do something with it! They're not biodegradable, so I felt bad just throwing it out...

:lol:

But, in all reality, that picture is pretty much life-size if your monitor is 800x600 resolution. ( ... read between the lines ... :nod: )

estranged4life
11-15-2006, 02:38 PM
:lol: :lol:

I had to do something with it! They're not biodegradable, so I felt bad just throwing it out...

:lol:

But, in all reality, that picture is pretty much life-size if your monitor is 800x600 resolution. ( ... read between the lines ... :nod: )

'Polly wants a tali-wacker?"

SteveMacD
11-15-2006, 02:48 PM
"Oklahoma Southern Baptists are urging businesses, organizations and government to provide family benefits only to "traditional families" — not same-sex or unmarried couples.

How ironic...Just the other day, I was urging that religious organizations lose their tax exempt status whenever they become politically involved.

SuzeQuze
11-15-2006, 02:51 PM
How ironic...Just the other day, I was urging that religious organizations lose their tax exempt status whenever they become politically involved.

As they should.

estranged4life
11-15-2006, 02:59 PM
How ironic...Just the other day, I was urging that religious organizations lose their tax exempt status whenever they become politically involved.

Oklahoma could collect enough tax to balance the stupid effing budget for the whole USA !

chiffon head
11-15-2006, 03:02 PM
yes, they always have been and always will be...

mikeschmike
11-15-2006, 03:05 PM
How ironic...Just the other day, I was urging that religious organizations lose their tax exempt status whenever they become politically involved.

I love this idea. Too bad it will never happen, but think of the possibilities if it were to be put into effect?

chiffon head
11-15-2006, 03:10 PM
I love this idea. Too bad it will never happen, but think of the possibilities if it were to be put into effect?

Anarchy
LOL

SuzeQuze
11-15-2006, 03:11 PM
I love this idea. Too bad it will never happen, but think of the possibilities if it were to be put into effect?

Churchorations paying their fair share? What a thought.

DrummerDeanna
11-15-2006, 03:15 PM
Ugh. People are starving..in this country. 1 in 5 children live in poverty. People die everyday from horrible illnesses because they can't afford decent health care...


Yet THIS is what our churches focus on. It's really starting to piss me off.

JazmenFlowers
11-15-2006, 06:07 PM
I grew up Southern Baptist and am in the breeding ground of Southern Baptists. I swear everytime I walk by a church I'm scared it's going to go up in flames if I look at it.

markolas
11-15-2006, 08:16 PM
Yes, they're nuts, but for some reason I find myself not getting worked up about this kind of thing anymore. All this really says to me is that they are not a religion in the true sense of the word, and that they don't seem to possess anything that resembles true spirituality.

markolas
11-15-2006, 08:18 PM
I grew up Southern Baptist and am in the breeding ground of Southern Baptists. I swear everytime I walk by a church I'm scared it's going to go up in flames if I look at it.

I honestly don't see how you live there. :distress: I grew up in the Shreveport area, which I can imagine is about comparable to where you live, and if I hadn't left when I did, I would've killed myself within six months. Seriously.

sara1998
11-15-2006, 09:27 PM
Why is your bird standing on a dildo? :lol: :sorry:
LMMFAO!!! Dildo's are running rampant on the Ledge lately...:lol:

Oh, and to contribute to the thread... southern baptists scare the hell out of me. I hate going to Tennessee where some of my family lives, and when they find out you're not a church goer... whoa. They might as well stone you with Bibles.... I honestly can't see where gay marriage is threatening traditional marriage. Gay couples didn't interfere with MY marriage....

PsychCat
11-16-2006, 06:29 AM
Ugh. People are starving..in this country. 1 in 5 children live in poverty. People die everyday from horrible illnesses because they can't afford decent health care...

Yet THIS is what our churches focus on. It's really starting to piss me off.

Amen!! That's what has turned me off of "organized religion". They look right over the heads of the truly hurting sitting right next to them in church. This includes the "straight" recently divorced who are now shunned as if now contagious, the depressed & mentally ill, the various addicts, the domestic abuse victims, etc.

It's all about appearances anyway.... :angel:

I always say, the first thing God is gonna ask us all about on that "great day" is what was with all these denominations and "rules"??? :shrug:

irishgrl
11-16-2006, 08:34 AM
How ironic...Just the other day, I was urging that religious organizations lose their tax exempt status whenever they become politically involved.
Yep, that should be a given...:nod:

JazmenFlowers
11-16-2006, 09:32 AM
I honestly don't see how you live there. :distress: I grew up in the Shreveport area, which I can imagine is about comparable to where you live, and if I hadn't left when I did, I would've killed myself within six months. Seriously.
yeah, been there, done that. I don't know how I pulled myself out of it. oh, wait, yes I do. Stevie. 10 years ago I think I was a different person.

it is the pits being here. it really is. everywhere you turn. there's even a devotional here at work at 8:15 every morning. especially when you ask your grandmother what she wants for Xmas and she says "the best present I could get is if you'd start going to church again" - ugh.

and I totally agree with what you said about spirituality. most Southern Baptists I know are yearning for something more fulfilling...they don't really know spirituality, they think as long as they read the Bible and can recite scripture, they're fine. anyway, I could go on and on about this. but all it will do is depress me.

BlackWidow
11-16-2006, 09:54 AM
I honestly don't see how you live there. :distress: I grew up in the Shreveport area, which I can imagine is about comparable to where you live, and if I hadn't left when I did, I would've killed myself within six months. Seriously.

I have to say..Jaz..I was wondering the SAME THING?????????:shrug:

SuzeQuze
11-16-2006, 10:39 AM
yeah, been there, done that. I don't know how I pulled myself out of it. oh, wait, yes I do. Stevie. 10 years ago I think I was a different person.

it is the pits being here. it really is. everywhere you turn. there's even a devotional here at work at 8:15 every morning. especially when you ask your grandmother what she wants for Xmas and she says "the best present I could get is if you'd start going to church again" - ugh.

and I totally agree with what you said about spirituality. most Southern Baptists I know are yearning for something more fulfilling...they don't really know spirituality, they think as long as they read the Bible and can recite scripture, they're fine. anyway, I could go on and on about this. but all it will do is depress me.

A devotional at work? Wow. I think I would suffer major culture shock if I moved down there. If it ever gets too much you can always move! Just remember that they're closed-minded due to their own fears and that paralyzes them so they're not actually living. It's no way to be IMO.

markolas
11-16-2006, 08:11 PM
yeah, been there, done that. I don't know how I pulled myself out of it. oh, wait, yes I do. Stevie. 10 years ago I think I was a different person.

Well, music and a few other interests kept me something vaguely approaching sane until I was about 21, but I had to leave after that.

it is the pits being here. it really is. everywhere you turn. there's even a devotional here at work at 8:15 every morning. especially when you ask your grandmother what she wants for Xmas and she says "the best present I could get is if you'd start going to church again" - ugh.

Ick. My family was never a real church-going group of people, but they paid it lip service. However, my older brother is now a Southern Baptist minister. :eek:

and I totally agree with what you said about spirituality. most Southern Baptists I know are yearning for something more fulfilling...they don't really know spirituality, they think as long as they read the Bible and can recite scripture, they're fine. anyway, I could go on and on about this. but all it will do is depress me.

The ones I knew only cared about going to heaven when they died. :rolleyes:

Anyway, you really should move, but you don't need me to tell you that. :D

estranged4life
11-17-2006, 01:13 PM
Baptist support for traditional family brings heated words from gays, Unitarians and others

By Carla Hinton
Religion Editor

The Oklahoma Southern Baptists call for businesses to deny family benefits to same-sex and unmarried couples was described Wednesday as unfair and anti-family.

"It seems to me that all families should be valued, whethers it's the traditional man, woman and children or it's two women living together taking care of children or two men, or a man and a woman living together," said Pat Reaves, a member of OBU Pride, an Oklahoma Baptist University alumni organiztion for gay, lesbian, bi-sexual or transgender individuals and their allies.

"It doesn't seem to me to pass the fairness test," Reaves said Wednesday. The 1976 OBU graduate's comments came one day after the Baptist General Convention of Oklahoma approved a resolution urging businesses, organizations and government to offer family benefits only to traditional families, which leaders defined as a husband, wife and children or a single parent and children.

"Doing otherwise defies Biblical principles and moral standards for the family," the resolution stated.

It was approved Tuesday by Southern Baptist delegates at the convention's 100th annual metting in Oklahoma City.



The Rev. Mark Christian, pastor of First Unitarian Church of Oklahoma City, said the Baptists, as Oklahoma's dominant denomination, may chase companies away with such ideas.

"This world is becoming increasingly pluralistic. This seems to be an attempt to roll back to a theocracy where people are chased out of town or there is a witch-hunt for people who are different. This is just one attempt to strip humanity from a group of people."

He said determining the Biblical standards for family can be daunting when one takes a literal interpretation of Scriptures.

"A biblical standard included the right to sell your daughter into slavery," Christian said.

"If you're going to say that's no longer a relevant issue for today's families, where do you draw the line? How do you decide where to open the door and where to close it in the definition of families?"



Paige Schilt, media director for Soul Force, said the organization is hoping businesses do not heed the Baptists' recommendation.

"Denying benefits to same sex families ultimately hurts children as well as adults," Schilt said.

She described Soul Force as a national social justice and civil rights organization committed to freedom for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people from religious and political oppression.

"We hope businesses and organizations will recognize that all families deserve to be able to protect and provide for those they love," she said.



Meanwhile, several people chose to answer NewsOK's online question about the Baptists' resolution.

Amber Cariker of Norman supports the denomination's resolution.

"I don't believe that when you encounter a homosexual person you should be mean or disrespectful, but I think the commitment it shows to be legally married is something that should be considered for the family benefits," said Cariker, who said she attends Heartland Free Will Baptist Church in Oklahoma City.

Debbie Ward of Moore said she is against the idea because it smacks of self-righteousness.

"The Bible says 'judge not lest you be judged," Ward said.