The Tipping Thread...

[DrummerDeanna]

Ok...so it seems that outside of restaurants and haircuts I am tip stupid.

Like I don't know exactly WHO to tip. Do you tip dog groomers? I took my dog to get groomed last weekend, didn't know if you're supposed to tip them -if so how much?

Massages - do you tip your masseuse?

It seems like you're supposed to tip EVERYONE nowadays..I've lost track.

[jannieC]

I have no idea about dog groomers, as I've never been to one. And I don't think you need to tip a masseuse, as they are usually self-employed. Oh wait, my husband just told me I am wrong. He used to work in an upscale salon that had masseuses and apparently you ARE supposed to tip them.

[michelle2677]

I know. I totally agree. I tip pretty good (for good service) but I don't tip everyone. I tip when I get an eyebrow wax (of course!!! :lol: ) and a haircut. But other than that (and food of course) I really don't :( oh, valet. (because I use it so often :laugh: ) but when I do, they get tipped...


*thinking*....hmmmmm..

on edit- bartenders. You tip them well, they will hook you up!! :nod:

[jannieC]

Having worked in customer service for most of my life, I tend to tip everyone. And I tip REALLY well when I get good service. However, I probably need to chill out on it. I'm going to pay attention to the rest of this thread so I can see who I can cut out of my tipping list. ;)

[DrummerDeanna]

I have no idea about dog groomers, as I've never been to one. And I don't think you need to tip a masseuse, as they are usually self-employed. Oh wait, my husband just told me I am wrong. He used to work in an upscale salon that had masseuses and apparently you ARE supposed to tip them.

Oh Good God. So in addition to paying out the ass for a massage I have to tip them :laugh:

So how much is typical for a massage? do restaurant typing standards apply?

[Sugar]

Here's something I found a while back:

http://www.findalink.net/tippingetiquette.php

[Rickypt]

I pretty much tip everyone 20%. Waiters, cafe workers, guy who cuts my hair, woman who comes and takes care of my cats when I travel. I don't think it matters if they are self-employed. I tip good bartenders very well also; it pays off. Plus they work hard.

[carrie721]

if you want good service, tip well! anyone who has ever worked in the restaurant industry will tell you that good tippers are never forgotten, and always get great service.

[mylittledemon]

20% was the norm for me before I came to NZ. 25% if the waiter/waitress was exceptional (i.e. friendly/nice)

[DrummerDeanna]

Well I'd never think of NOT tipping in a restaurant - but the dog groomer was what I was most curious about. The link Sugar posted said one should tip the dog groomer. Great....I'm an asshole :laugh:

[BlackWidow]

I have no idea about dog groomers, as I've never been to one. And I don't think you need to tip a masseuse, as they are usually self-employed. Oh wait, my husband just told me I am wrong. He used to work in an upscale salon that had masseuses and apparently you ARE supposed to tip them.

Are you kidding me...You tip anyone in the service industry..BECAUSE..they pay taxes on those services even if you do not tip....

Ex-waiter

Also: drivers
cabs,Massage, hair, nails, restraunts...bartenders..waitresses..waiters.

[jannieC]

Are you kidding me...You tip anyone in the service industry..BECAUSE..they pay taxes on those services even if you do not tip....

Ex-waiter

Also: drivers
cabs,Massage, hair, nails, restraunts...bartenders..waitresses..waiters.

I know! Listen, quit siding with Jeff. lol

I have been a bartender and waitress my whole life, so believe me, I am the queen of tipping. But there has to be some people I don't have to tip?

[Rickypt]

Are you kidding me...You tip anyone in the service industry..BECAUSE..they pay taxes on those services even if you do not tip....

Ex-waiter

Also: drivers
cabs,Massage, hair, nails, restraunts...bartenders..waitresses..waiters.

....basket guys

[DrummerDeanna]

I am the queen of tipping. But there has to be some people I don't have to tip?

ActuallY I am the queen of tipping. ;) Just kidding - but I do always tip generously for all services mentioned...

But the dog groomer that one had me stumped...

[michelle2677]

My thinking is...why should we even tip, unless they are making $2.50 (approx) an hour...(waitresses ect. ) I mean...I'm sure a massage therapist is making some jack. So why tip them? No one tips me when I make them a fabulous temporary tooth. I've never tipped the person who scanned my groceries at the store. :shrug: How many times have you tipped the wal-mart greeter or your gynocologist/proctologist??



just asking.

[ontheEdgeof17]

I say f*** tipping.

No one tips me when I save their life.

[michelle2677]

I say f*** tipping.

No one tips me when I save their life.

EXACTLY!!!! My point!!! why is it o.k. to tip SOME people but not the rest. I understand if that's where you make the bulk of your cash flow (waiting tables) but everyone else---screw 'em!! I'm cheap I guess.

[DrummerDeanna]

EXACTLY!!!! My point!!! why is it o.k. to tip SOME people but not the rest. I understand if that's where you make the bulk of your cash flow (waiting tables) but everyone else---screw 'em!! I'm cheap I guess.

You're not supposed to tip your gynecologist!?! :eek:


:p

That's what I was sort of getting at...it seems that more and more people are starting to expect tips. And outside of food service and other acceptable tip practices it's starting to annoy me!

I went to a coffe shop recently...I ordered a freakin' cup of regular coffee..that's it. I paid, and as I was putting my change in my wallet the cashier chippy picked up the tip jar shook it, looked in it, gave an exasperated sigh and slammed it back down...

That is NOT going to get me to tip ya girlie...I was not happy by that show and never went back to place...

When I worked at a coffee shop, tips were appreciated, but I never expected them...it seems more and more it is expected, much to my chagrin.

[jannieC]

You're not supposed to tip your gynecologist!?! :eek:


:p

That's what I was sort of getting at...it seems that more and more people are starting to expect tips. And outside of food service and other acceptable tip practices it's starting to annoy me!

I went to a coffe shop recently...I ordered a freakin' cup of regular coffee..that's it. I paid, and as I was putting my change in my wallet the cashier chippy picked up the tip jar shook it, looked in it, gave an exasperated sigh and slammed it back down...

That is NOT going to get me to tip ya girlie...I was not happy by that show and never went back to place...

When I worked at a coffee shop, tips were appreciated, but I never expected them...it seems more and more it is expected, much to my chagrin.

I work at a coffee shop P/T and while yes- tips are appreciated, good Lord, they are not expected. It's not ike I'm making $2 an hour or something. What did you say to the girl who shook the tip jar (that's insane)?

[sara1998]

I work at a coffee shop P/T and while yes- tips are appreciated, good Lord, they are not expected. It's not ike I'm making $2 an hour or something. What did you say to the girl who shook the tip jar (that's insane)?

I would have told her to **** off! And Deanna, I always tip my dog groomer. She's awesome. She charges me $25 for cut and wash, and I always give her $30. Not much of a tip, but I always go back, so she knows I like her, and I will always go to her so long as she stays in business.

[catinthedark]

here's another one i was up against: i stayed at a ritzy hotel a few months ago (travelled with work). how about the guy who stands outside in the morning in a snazzy get up and opens the door of the cab for you? he doesn't hail them - they all just pull in. but this guy stands there and opens the door. ya don't have a choice. i watched everyone in line before me - no one tipped, so i didn't either. if the guy had put six bags in the trunk for me, then sure.

how about my dogwalker? comes in five days a week, and i pay HUGE for the service (but it's so worth it for my sweet dog). i have always just bought a christmas present for him (about $100 in value). am i cheap?

massage: i didn't know. so i asked the receptionist person. she said most people do... so i did.

[BTFLCHLD]

I'm on overtipper. :shrug:

[Miss Vicky]

Well I'd never think of NOT tipping in a restaurant

Oh I've done it on many occasion. If I get crappy service, my server gets either a crappy tip or none at all (depending on the severity of the crappy service). I've had servers who were just flat out rude and many who screwed up my order BIG time - like when I order a virgin daquiri and what they bring me is definitely not virgin, or when I order a veggie burger and they bring me beef (yeah, I know, I go to real upscale restaurants, don't I?).

On the other hand, if a server is very polite and helpful, I leave a generous tip. I've been known to leave a $5.00 tip on an $8.00 order if I'm really impressed with the service (this was at a Mexican restaurant, so the food wasn't expensive). It also doesn't hurt if the server is cute. :laugh:

[bikerchic]

I say f*** tipping.



I totally agree. Tipping has gotten out of control. We're tipping anybody weather they do a good job or not. That is wrong.

I was told, as far as hairdresser's, do not tip if she/he is the owner of the salon.

[JazmenFlowers]

I totally agree. Tipping has gotten out of control. We're tipping anybody weather they do a good job or not. That is wrong.

I was told, as far as hairdresser's, do not tip if she/he is the owner of the salon.
ITA.

I tip when I feel like it. I know people think I'm bipolar, but I'm just an ass.

[strandinthewind]

Here is what Emily Post says about holiday tipping:

Holiday Etiquette—Holiday Tipping Guidelines—Updated for 2006

The holiday season is the traditional time to say “thank you” and “I appreciate the work you do” to those who have provided service to you throughout the year. Don’t forget that one of the best ways to express your appreciation is a hand-written note, which should accompany any holiday tip.

Whether and how much to tip varies widely, depending on:

the quality and frequency of the service
your relationship with the service provider
where you live (amounts are usually higher in large cities)
the frequency of the service or how long you have worked together
your budget
regional customs
the type of establishment: deluxe vs. moderate

If you regularly tip at the time of service, you may forgo or give a more modest holiday tip. Try to include your child in gift decisions for teachers, day care providers, nannies, and babysitters.

Every situation is different, so let common sense, specific circumstances, and holiday spirit be your guides. The tip amounts in this chart are merely guidelines. What to give is always an individual decision.

Au pair A gift from your family (or one-week’s pay), plus a small gift from your child

Babysitter, regular One evening’s pay, plus a small gift from your child

Barber Cost of one haircut, and/or gift

Beauty salon staff The cost of one salon visit, split among the staff

Child’s teacher Check your school’s policy first. Consider a joint gift with other parents and their children. Give a gift, not cash. Possibilities: gift certificate for coffee shop, book store, or restaurant; book, picture frame, fruit basket or gourmet food item.

Day care providers $25 to $70 each, and/or a small gift from your child for the providers who give direct care to your child(ren)

Dog walker One week’s pay and/or a gift

Fitness trainer, personal Up to the cost of one session

Garage attendants $10 to $30 each

Home health employees A gift, but check with the agency first, as most agencies have a no gifts or no tips policy. If this is the case, consider giving a donation to the agency.

Housekeeper/cleaner Up to one week’s pay and/or a gift

Letter carriers U.S. government regulations permit carriers to accept gifts worth up to $20 per occasion, not cash

Live-in help (Nanny, Housekeeper, Cook, Butler One week’s to one month’s salary based on tenure and customs in your area, plus a personal gift

Massage therapist Up to one session’s fee, and/or gift

Newspaper deliverer $10 to $30

Nurse, private A gift, not cash

Nursing home employees A gift, not cash, but check the company policy first. Consider giving a gift that could be enjoyed by or shared among the floor staff: flowers, chocolates or food items.

Package deliverer A small gift if you receive deliveries regularly; most delivery companies discourage or prohibit cash gifts

Personal caregiver Up to one week’s salary, and/or a small gift

Pet Groomer If the same person grooms your pet all year, up to one session’s fee and/or a gift

Pool cleaner Cost of one cleaning, to be split among crew

Residential building personnel: Check with your building association first to see if there is a holiday fund that is shared among all the building personnel

Superintendent $20 to $80

Doorman $15 to $80; $15 or more each, for multiple doormen

Elevator operator $15 to $40

Handyman $15 to $40

Trash/recycling collectors $10 to $30 each (for private service); for municipal service, check local regulations

Yard and garden worker $20 to $50

http://www.emilypost.com/etiquette/holiday/holiday_tipping.htm
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Here is more info for everyday:

Your Printable Guide to Tipping

RESTAURANTS

Server: 15 to 20 percent of the total bill—20 percent for a first-class place.

Bartender: If you've had a drink at the bar, leave the bartender 15 to 20
percent, or at least $1 a drink.

Coat checker: $1 a coat.

Sommeliers: Optional (they usually get a share of the waiters' take), but if you'd like to tip them separately, you can slip them 10 to 20 percent of the cost of wine, in cash. (Subtract that amount from your total tip.)

Delivery: Tack on 15 percent.

Tip jars: "The level of service a counter employee provides doesn't require a tip," says Peggy Post, head of the Emily Post Institute.

SALONS

Salon owner or stylist: Peggy Post recommends 15 to 20 percent of the fee, whether or not the stylist owns the place.

Multiple stylists: When more than one person (stylist, colorist, blower) attends to you, split 15 to 20 percent among them according to how much each contributed to the outcome.

Shampoo: A basic shampoo and conditioning rates $1 to $3; a wash involving foil removal and color rinses requires a bit more.

Masseuse and manicurist: Slip 15 to 20 percent.

HOTELS

Taxi or limo driver: 15 to 20 percent

Bellhop: $1 a bag

Doorman: $1 for the doorman who hails your cab or fetches your car

Room-service delivery person: 15 to 20 percent of the bill

Housekeeper: $2 a day

Concierge: "You might tip $5 for a dinner reservation, $20 for theater tickets," suggests Sara-ann Kasner, president of the National Concierge Association. "But if someone goes the extra mile—getting you into a popular restaurant at the last minute or obtaining hard-to-get theater tickets—you can tip upwards of $25."

GRATUITY ADVICE FOR THE HOLIDAYS

Nanny: A week's salary plus a small gift from your child.

Babysitter: An evening's pay plus a gift from your child.

Newspaper carrier: $5 to $15.

Mail carrier: Postal workers can accept gifts worth up to $20.

Housekeeper: A week's salary.

Garbage collectors: $10 to $20 each.

Doorman: $25 to $100.

Super: $30 to $100.

Elevator operator: $20 to $50.

Personal trainer: Price of one session.

Parking-garage attendant: One third of monthly bill.

Dog walker: A week's salary.

Hairdresser: $25 to $100.

Manicurist: $10 to $50.

http://www.oprah.com/omagazine/200212/omag_200212_tipping.jhtml

[skcin]

That's all fine & good, but not everyone can afford to tip so high on everything. :shrug: $70 for day care provider? My sister-in-law can barely afford day care with an assistance program, she sure as hell won't be able to give them an extra $75, esp. around the holidays.

In restaurants, I always tip. I'll go as low as 10% if the service is very bad. We usually do just over 15%, up to 20% if it's excellent service.

I've heard you shouldn't leave nothing because the server will just think you forgot - or that you're an assh*le - and NOT that they gave bad service. A low tip, or a complaint to the manager after the meal is better, IMO.

I usually tip $1 to bartenders each trip to the bar. Coffeeshops, delis, ice cream parlors, and other places where they leave tip jars out on the counter, I'll toss in my change. My haircut only costs $11 so I give her $15 - I'll give her $10 or $20 additonal at Christmas. The paperboy & the mail lady each get $10 at Xmas.

My gyno gets 3x my copay if he does a good job. :cool:

[JazmenFlowers]

My gyno gets 3x my copay if he does a good job. :cool:
and a free cop if he's cute. right, Paula? don't lie.

I'm like Curty. I don't get a tip when I save my client millions of dollars in legal expenses. hell, I don't get a tip from my firm when I bring in $300,000 each year. and I don't make a quarter of that. what gives? :shrug:

[estranged4life]

I say f*** tipping.

No one tips me when I save their life.

Nurses are always ignored (One way or another) when they do ALL the dirtywork that the asshat doctor won't do.

[SuzeQuze]

I would have told her to **** off! And Deanna, I always tip my dog groomer. She's awesome. She charges me $25 for cut and wash, and I always give her $30. Not much of a tip, but I always go back, so she knows I like her, and I will always go to her so long as she stays in business.



F off is appropriate under those circumstances! Does your groomer own her business? If so, that is a generous tip since you don't have to tip business owners, just their employees.

[skcin]

and a free cop if he's cute. right, Paula? don't lie.



Dude. I have a friend who "gets ready" for her gyno cuz she thinks he's hot. She gave herself an enema before she had her kids so she wouldn't poop on the table & embarrass herself in front of him. :shocked:

[ontheEdgeof17]

She gave herself an enema before she had her kids so she wouldn't poop on the table & embarrass herself in front of him. :shocked:

'Cuz a body coming out of a vagina is soooo hot and attractive. :cool:

[skcin]

'Cuz a body coming out of a vagina is soooo hot and attractive. :cool:

Exactly. :rolleyes: Freak.


BTW - Curtis, I think we gave that witress like a 60% tip after breakfast in Cleveland. Of course, the bill for the 4 of us was barely $20.

[HomerMcvie]

Dude. I have a friend who "gets ready" for her gyno cuz she thinks he's hot. She gave herself an enema before she had her kids so she wouldn't poop on the table & embarrass herself in front of him. :shocked:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Now THAT's some funny ****!

I can't stop laughing!

[jannieC]

Dude. I have a friend who "gets ready" for her gyno cuz she thinks he's hot. She gave herself an enema before she had her kids so she wouldn't poop on the table & embarrass herself in front of him. :shocked:

I don't think my gyno is hot, but I do *prepare* for the annual. Just not to that extent. Well, basically I make sure my legs are shaved. :laugh:

[ontheEdgeof17]

BTW - Curtis, I think we gave that witress like a 60% tip after breakfast in Cleveland. Of course, the bill for the 4 of us was barely $20.

I think we tipped more for egg sandwiches than the "fancy" Italian meal we chowed down on (in under an hour :laugh: ) the night before......

[SuzeQuze]

I don't think my gyno is hot, but I do *prepare* for the annual. Just not to that extent. Well, basically I make sure my legs are shaved. :laugh:

Okay, I think that's normal. But an enema? I think if someone's going to that extreme that they would keep it their own little secret. Apparently not Paula's friend!

[BlackWidow]

I say f*** tipping.

No one tips me when I save their life.

.....lovely.

[BlackWidow]

I work at a coffee shop P/T and while yes- tips are appreciated, good Lord, they are not expected. It's not ike I'm making $2 an hour or something. What did you say to the girl who shook the tip jar (that's insane)?

I am a great tipper..unless the service is ****!
in most service jobs..those employees are TAXED on those services..it is completely unfair to not tip a service job employee..I mean ..****..I'm from Vegas..You tip!!!!:nod: :nod: :nod:

[BlackWidow]

Having worked in customer service for most of my life, I tend to tip everyone. And I tip REALLY well when I get good service. However, I probably need to chill out on it. I'm going to pay attention to the rest of this thread so I can see who I can cut out of my tipping list. ;)

......nice.

[BlackWidow]

I pretty much tip everyone 20%. Waiters, cafe workers, guy who cuts my hair, woman who comes and takes care of my cats when I travel. I don't think it matters if they are self-employed. I tip good bartenders very well also; it pays off. Plus they work hard.

plus you have class.

[BlackWidow]

I know! Listen, quit siding with Jeff. lol

I have been a bartender and waitress my whole life, so believe me, I am the queen of tipping. But there has to be some people I don't have to tip?

Thanks for throwing your fellow service workers under the bus....:distress:

[DrummerDeanna]

^^

What are you even talking about!?!

It's been established who DOES get tips - but there's all sorts of gray area for other jobs....:shrug:

So just to clarify - we all know you tip waitresses, bartenders and other obviously and traditionally tipped people - it's the non-traditional stuff some were unclear on.

[sara1998]

Ya know whats funny... I have been with the same hairdresser for about 6 years now, and she dosen't accept tips (of course, it's absorbed in the cost...) but I took my stepdaughter to have her hair done Saturday to a different hairdresser, and I was really stumped on how much to tip her. It cost $170, and I tipped her $15... I probably should have made it $20, huh?

[BlackWidow]

Ya know whats funny... I have been with the same hairdresser for about 6 years now, and she dosen't accept tips (of course, it's absorbed in the cost...) but I took my stepdaughter to have her hair done Saturday to a different hairdresser, and I was really stumped on how much to tip her. It cost $170, and I tipped her $15... I probably should have made it $20, huh?

15% standard tip = $25.50
20% = 34.00

[BlackWidow]

^^

What are you even talking about!?!

It's been established who DOES get tips - but there's all sorts of gray area for other jobs....:shrug:

So just to clarify - we all know you tip waitresses, bartenders and other obviously and traditionally tipped people - it's the non-traditional stuff some were unclear on.

I was responding to people seemingly oblivious to the obvious.

[DrummerDeanna]

I was responding to people seemingly oblivious to the obvious.

But no one is :shrug: We all know to tip most service people...esp. wait persons.

BUT I agree with everyone who says if the service is ****ty then a crappy tip is in order.

I'm incapable of not leaving a tip - but I WILL leave a piddly crap tip for bad service...

[Miss Vicky]

I still say that if the service is ****, the server shouldn't get any extra pay for it, not one single freakin' penny. It makes no difference to me if the server knows it was intentional or not, because if the service sucks enough that I refuse to tip, I simply won't go back anyay. :shrug:

I think I pay enough for the goods/services I purchase, I don't feel a need to pay extra to have my order messed up and be treated rudely, but that's just me.

[DrummerDeanna]

I still say that if the service is ****, the server shouldn't get any extra pay for it, not one single freakin' penny. It makes no difference to me if the server knows it was intentional or not, because if the service sucks enough that I refuse to tip, I simply won't go back anyay. :shrug:

I think I pay enough for the goods/services I purchase, I don't feel a need to pay extra to have my order messed up and be treated rudely, but that's just me.

Nah, I don't think it's just you - my brother in law is the same way. He used to manage restaurants, so when he eats out he expects a certain level of service, if he's let down in a big way - he won't leave a tip and he'll talk to the manager.

[BlackWidow]

Nah, I don't think it's just you - my brother in law is the same way. He used to manage restaurants, so when he eats out he expects a certain level of service, if he's let down in a big way - he won't leave a tip and he'll talk to the manager.

If my boyfriend and I get bad service..I am up and looking for the Manager.
One time this cocky little waiter gave us attitude in Laguna and I walked right up to the mngr and said..i want a new waiter..Now..because I'm about to knock that chip off his shoulder....:cool:

[DrummerDeanna]

If my boyfriend and I get bad service..I am up and looking for the Manager.
One time this cocky little waiter gave us attitude in Laguna and I walked right up to the mngr and said..i want a new waiter..Now..because I'm about to knock that chip off his shoulder....:cool:

Oh I always talk to the manager as well -and most of the time they're great and apologetic...once in a while though I encounter a manager who's just as ****ty as his staff....

And I always start out nice as pie - if I get attitude then I can get down and nasty with the best of them, but thankfully that doesn't happen often. Once you go to a manager things are usually taken care of....

[BlackWidow]

Oh I always talk to the manager as well -and most of the time they're great and apologetic...once in a while though I encounter a manager who's just as ****ty as his staff....

And I always start out nice as pie - if I get attitude then I can get down and nasty with the best of them, but thankfully that doesn't happen often. Once you go to a manager things are usually taken care of....

usually...I have gone over Managers heads too...The Owners care the most...;)

[BTFLCHLD]

This guy came stomping back to the bar at the deigo show...he said he over paid the bartender and then proceeed to have her empty her chip jar to give him back $$$....then he walked away giving her -0-.

She clearly didn't go it on purpose. what a dick.

[jannieC]

Gah. let me clarify- I tip ALL people in the service industry- the question was, are there people that are being tipped OUTSIDE of the service industry when it's not necessary.

[BlackWidow]

Gah. let me clarify- I tip ALL people in the service industry- the question was, are there people that are being tipped OUTSIDE of the service industry when it's not necessary.

How does Jeff put up with you.....? :shrug: :D

[JazmenFlowers]

Dude. I have a friend who "gets ready" for her gyno cuz she thinks he's hot. She gave herself an enema before she had her kids so she wouldn't poop on the table & embarrass herself in front of him. :shocked:
say whaaa? that is a little much.
'Cuz a body coming out of a vagina is soooo hot and attractive. :cool:
I know, right? :laugh:
BTW - Curtis, I think we gave that witress like a 60% tip after breakfast in Cleveland. Of course, the bill for the 4 of us was barely $20.
wait. let's all think back to that little sushi restaurant in Berkeley and how long it took us to figure out who owed what and how much tip to leave. the fact that y'all let me handle money is frightening.

[skcin]

Ya know whats funny... I have been with the same hairdresser for about 6 years now, and she dosen't accept tips (of course, it's absorbed in the cost...) but I took my stepdaughter to have her hair done Saturday to a different hairdresser, and I was really stumped on how much to tip her. It cost $170, and I tipped her $15... I probably should have made it $20, huh?

Holy crap! Did they weave her an entire new head of hair? That's astronomical! :shocked: I wouldn't have had any money left to leave a tip. :shrug: You gave a bit less than 10%, but at least you gave something.

[skcin]

I still say that if the service is ****, the server shouldn't get any extra pay for it, not one single freakin' penny. It makes no difference to me if the server knows it was intentional or not, because if the service sucks enough that I refuse to tip, I simply won't go back anyay. :shrug:

I think I pay enough for the goods/services I purchase, I don't feel a need to pay extra to have my order messed up and be treated rudely, but that's just me.


So you don't care if the server never knows what they did wrong? If they don't realize why they're being penalized, then how can learn to do a better job? I understand you won't be going back there, but what about all the other customers?

And how is that fair to the owner of the establishment? If they knew their server was a jerk, they would probably take care of the problem, rather than lose customers over it. I would hate to think that a small business owner could end up closing because people stopped going there little by little, all because of a bad waitress. :shrug:

[Miss Vicky]

So you don't care if the server never knows what they did wrong? If they don't realize why they're being penalized, then how can learn to do a better job? I understand you won't be going back there, but what about all the other customers?

Quite frankly, no. I'm not going to go through the hassle of making a scene and I'm definitely not paying more for bad service.

And how is that fair to the owner of the establishment? If they knew their server was a jerk, they would probably take care of the problem, rather than lose customers over it. I would hate to think that a small business owner could end up closing because people stopped going there little by little, all because of a bad waitress. :shrug:

I've never had bad service at a privately owned establishment. It's always been chain restaurants that have been the problem. I always tip well at the small places that I frequent because they always give GREAT service.

[skcin]

Quite frankly, no. I'm not going to go through the hassle of making a scene and I'm definitely not paying more for bad service.


I've never had bad service at a privately owned establishment. It's always been chain restaurants that have been the problem. I always tip well at the small places that I frequent because they always give GREAT service.

You work at a vet's office, correct? Wouldn't you want to know if people there were perceiving you as rude, or felt you weren't helping them to the best of your ability? I'd like to know when a patient was unhappy with the care I gave them, so that I can improve my skills. :shrug: If they just walk out & bitch to their friends, I'll never know.

That's great that you've never once had crappy service at a privately owned establishment. Wish I could say the same. :distress:

[Miss Vicky]

You work at a vet's office, correct? Wouldn't you want to know if people there were perceiving you as rude, or felt you weren't helping them to the best of your ability? I'd like to know when a patient was unhappy with the care I gave them, so that I can improve my skills. :shrug: If they just walk out & bitch to their friends, I'll never know.


When I've been treated rudely by servers at restaurants, it's always been blatantly intentional, and I don't think they really gave a damn about "improving their skills." One example was when a friend of mine and I went into a Denny's late at night. The waitress came up and was all friendly until we placed our orders - desserts. Then she gave us a nasty look and walked away. When she came back, she just put the orders on the table, gave us our check and proceeded to disappear.

Another example was when a group of friends and I went to Red Robin. We were seated, then had to wait FOREVER to place our orders and the damned waitress never once bothered to check on us and took a long ass time to bring us our check. Were they super busy at the time? No. The waitress was just too damned busy chatting it up with the people at another table. My friends and I suspected that we were victims of racism, but that's a whole other matter.

As for the great service I get at the privately owned places I frequent, that seems to be because they're family run so the employees have just as much stake in the business as anybody.

[diamondsnake]

One example was when a friend of mine and I went into a Denny's late at night. The waitress came up and was all friendly until we placed our orders - desserts. Then she gave us a nasty look and walked away. When she came back, she just put the orders on the table, gave us our check and proceeded to disappear.

No offense, but what do you expect if you are at a "Denny's" in the middle of the night? I wouldn't expect the greatest quality of people to be working the grave-yard shift at a diner.

[DrummerDeanna]

No offense, but what do you expect if you are at a "Denny's" in the middle of the night? I wouldn't expect the greatest quality of people to be working the grave-yard shift at a diner.

Um..people who rely on tips for pay should be friendly and do their jobs regardless of the time of night.

Why should graveyard workers be held to less of a standard? They probably have to deal with more drunks - but in my experience when me and my friends have gone to Denny's in the middle of the night...drunk...we tip like mad if we get a friendly and pleasant waiter/tress....

And quality of people? Good God...have you SEEN the job market? Sometimes a graveyard shift may be the only thing a person can get at the moment...my mom's husband works a graveyard shift at a restaurant...and he's a wonderful person - and friendly and pleasant...

[Miss Vicky]

No offense, but what do you expect if you are at a "Denny's" in the middle of the night? I wouldn't expect the greatest quality of people to be working the grave-yard shift at a diner.

Certainly I don't expect top notch service, but I do expect to not be treated like ****. :wavey: