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Livia
10-24-2006, 12:21 PM
http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,14933-2417663,00.html

The Times October 24, 2006

Art is always on our mind
Tim Teeman

The style odyssey that is the Pet Shop Boys' career is celebrated in a new book and a show at the National Portrait Gallery. Pretty impressive for a band without a plan, they tell Times2


Neil Tennant recalls a friend who ran a record label telling him that the Pet Shop Boys were the “start of the rot of Top of the Pops because we came on stage and didn’t do anything”.

Chris Lowe, Tennant’s musical partner, lets rip his best evil-genius cackle. “It worked. Top of the Pops has gone. We did it.”

The Pet Shop Boys have long revelled in their difference. It’s there in the album covers — in the early days, acres of white space with stark images, later superseded by bold colours, textured CD cases and inventive graphics. It’s there in the intelligent, complicated riffs on love and loss. It’s there in the musical forms they choose, always going against whatever the trend has been, although Lowe’s on-stage decks-spinning was widely copied. The current vogue for electro and electropop, which they have been experimenting with for 20 years, has meant — as Tennant puts it — that they feel “the most sense of belonging we’ve ever had”.

A new book, Catalogue, brings together 20 years of Pet Shop Boys visuals: all their record and CD sleeves, videos, concerts and photoshoots. Next week, an exhibition of portraits of the pair opens at the National Portrait Gallery (a clear attempt by the gallery to attract a younger, fashionable audience), while a new album — Concrete — features the Pets performing versions of their classics backed by the BBC Concert Orchestra. Rufus Wainwright guests on Casanova in Hell, Robbie Williams on Jealousy. It’s a typical genre-crossing Pets project: Planet Pop isn’t their only home.

The duo have always played on the contrast between the loquacious, besuited Tennant and the withdrawn, muckily-sexy Lowe. In person they play their parts: Tennant erudite and sharp, Lowe mostly mute until riled (mention Tony Blair and stand well back). They have played with film, musicals, camp, homoeroticism and, on their latest album, politics. They don’t leap about on stage, but as Tennant says: “We are doing something.”

In their current incarnation, the Pets — currently on a world tour — appear surrounded by facsimiles of themselves, dancers who bound around a huge coloured cube designed by Es Devlin. Tennant (as well as his many doubles) is dressed in top-hatted showman’s garb and later regimental dress; Lowe (and his doubles) pouts away in lemon-yellow sports top, cap, jeans and trainers.

Tennant says they’ve had two distinct images — “the pointy hats” (first seen in Can You Forgive Her?) and “the orange wigs” they sported in 1999 around the release of New York City Boy. “The rest of the time it’s really been extensions of us,” he says. They started off quite tame: their first single, West End Girls, had them in white T-shirts, the second, One More Chance, in sweatshirts and jeans.

In Opportunities, a more distinct aesthetic took shape: Tennant started wearing a suit and hat, while Lowe skulked like a hustler in the background. One of Tennant’s favourites is the cover of Suburbia, which has Lowe wearing a stripey T-shirt and outrageous Issey Miyake sunglasses. The cover of Rent has both men looking moody in a pool of light on a deserted railway platform. “I think it’s fiercely heterosexual myself,” deadpans Lowe, but in retrospect it’s amazing that in 1994 Tennant’s “coming out” was any news at all: the images, plus all those lyrics about longing and self-denial, make it all seem so obvious.

Tennant explains that, besides the beautifully shot imagery (Derek Jarman directed a few of their videos, beginning with It’s a Sin in 1987), the intention was to make their songs “narratives”, so the titles acquired inverted commas and full stops. Being Boring is an aching, elegiac poem to times past and lost loves ones that also, says Tennant, confronted the “cliché” of the Pets as boring “with a song that was anything but”. For the picture that graced the cover of It’s a Sin (shot in the sacristy of Christ Church, Spitalfields), Tennant was inspired by Sickert’s painting Ennui. They invited the architect Zaha Hadid to design sets after Tennant fell in love with models of her designs for a railway station. The Pets have worked with Sam Taylor-Wood, Bruce Weber and Wolfgang Tillmans, though sifting through the many jewels in Catalogue and the NPG exhibition the most memorable images, playing with sexuality and anonymity, have been taken by Eric Watson.

“We’ve always taken art and design seriously,” Tennant says. “Chris trained as an architect, I worked in book and magazine publishing. We wanted the videos to look filmic. Our sleeves were regarded as austere, although it very rapidly became the style of the business.” Their spare lyrics and record design contrasted with their lavish and theatrical stage performances. “We always thought there was something a little bit tragic about rock shows. It always seemed to be about how many fairy lights there were. To this day there’s this macho thing: ‘How many trucks have you got?’ Directors like David Alden [known as “opera’s Sam Peckinpah” for his bloody and chaotic renderings of old classics] became well-known. We liked their iconoclasm.”

Tennant always loved performance: at the age of 9 he wrote his first musical, The Girl Who Pulled Tails, about a little girl who pulled cats’ tails. “Eminem has a Ferris wheel but that’s it, it’s not going to do anything else. Very few people approach their concerts as theatre, as we do: Madonna and maybe U2.”

Did they expect their careers to last more than 20 years? “No,” says Tennant. “I think we both would have been fairly amazed if you had told us 20 years ago that we’d be sitting here today with a book and the whole thing, but we’ve never had any sort of a plan. A lot of things are done spur of the moment — like the pointy-hat thing. We were worried we were going to look like complete prats, obviously, but it worked very well. They were made of cardboard; it’s quite easy to make one of your own.” Lowe adds: “When we put lights on them, we felt like the Blackpool illuminations.”

Have they ever thought about giving up? “Yerrrrnnnooo,” says Tennant. “I don’t think seriously.” Lowe: “Maybe if something better came along but it hasn’t. What’s better than pop star? Professional footballer.” Tennant roars. “An antiques shop in Hove.”

For a time in the late Eighties they became known for working with icons such as Dusty Springfield and Liza Minnelli. Who would they like to work with next, having just produced Robbie Williams and Kylie? “Chris would like to work with Randy Crawford. For me, Stevie Nicks,” says Tennant.

Tennant notes bitterly how the critics “slagged off” Closer to Heaven, the musical about clubland kids that they did with Jonathan Harvey. But Lowe interjects: “It was great working in the theatre. There are meetings about what the song should be doing, where a scene should start, where it should end. You don’t get that kind of intellectual critique in pop music.”

Lowe seems quite chatty: does he just pretend to be the sulky one? “No, it isn’t a pose,” he says tightly. Does he hate being in the public eye? “Yes. That’s why I wear all the disguises,” he says, looking as if he is chewing glass.

Disguise features over and over again in the Pets’ projects: pictures of them are blurred on their CD covers, on stage there are the doubles. “I think disguise is powerful,” says Tennant. “I never go on stage without wearing make-up. It gives me something to hide behind. I wear high-heeled boots when we perform. They make me feel stronger, more confident.”

Lowe just hates being looked at. “I always tell the lighting guy not to put lights on me. I’m furious if they do. I’m not the singer. Why do you think we’ve got a cube of flashing lights behind us?” But that doesn’t help to hide them: a dancer once said to Tennant that despite all the diversions — films, lights, insane costumes, the dancers — “all they [the audience] do is look at you”.

Are they planning anything large-scale and grand along the lines of scoring and screening Battleship Potemkin, which they did in 2004 in Trafalgar Square? “We’re thinking of writing a ballet,” Tennant says. “I wouldn’t mind writing a musical that had no dialogue. I think pop stars trying to do something outside their immediate environment tend to get slagged off and I don’t think that’s fair.”

People thought you two were together at the beginning, I say. “People are going to assume you are going out with each other ’cos you’re always seen together. Everyone thought Simon and Garfunkel were going out when I was a kid. No, we never were.”

Lowe grumbles that he doesn’t have a love life, to which Tennant guffaws — “That’s rubbish. A blatant lie” — adding that he wouldn’t take advantage of the new gay partnership laws. “I’d only marry for the money,” Lowe says, with a dirty leer.

They have become blatantly political: anti-Blair and Bush rhetoric litters their latest album. Lowe says: “I hate the man [Blair]. I haven’t got the vocabulary to express my hatred ’cos the words don’t exist. It’s a gut feeling that wrenches at my heart.”

Tennant says: “The well of politics has been poisoned by the non-appearance of weapons of mass destruction. The sensible thing for him to have done two years ago was say: ‘Sorry, guys, I was wrong. I’m resigning’. ” Tennant is annoyed by bureaucracy, ID cards, over-regulation. Lowe snarls: “Is 1984 still a textbook in school? It’s all in there. Orwell just got the year wrong.”

What are their remaining dream projects?

Lowe: “I’d like to become a male porn star.”

Tennant: “I grew up a devout Catholic and wanted to become the Pope and then when I died to become a saint: Saint Neil of Newcastle. I’ve given up on that. I want us to carry on doing fantastic, interesting projects and writing beautiful pop songs.” He pauses, considers that and adds dryly: “That’s quite an ambition, really.”


Catalogue is published by Thames & Hudson, £29.95; available from The Times Books First for £26.95 with free delivery on 0870 1608080. Pet Shop Boys, Bookshop Gallery, National Portrait Gallery, London WC2, from Monday to Feb 28; Concrete is out now on Parlophone

Rickypt
10-24-2006, 12:37 PM
I wonder if Stevie even knows who they are.:shrug:

carrie721
10-24-2006, 12:39 PM
i would hate for her to work on a whole album with them. i love me some PSB, but no.

Travis
10-24-2006, 12:58 PM
i would hate for her to work on a whole album with them. i love me some PSB, but no.

Whole album? I didn't read the whole article but Neil only said "work with". I assume they only meant one song. I'm all for it. Love me some PSB ...

SE A VIDA ... that's the way life is .... my fave PSB ever ...

JazmenFlowers
10-24-2006, 01:21 PM
I would like a song or two. I love PSB and their production.

shackin'up
10-24-2006, 01:49 PM
I'd rather see her work with Billy Ray Cyrus.
Pet Shop Boys? Spinecringing carreerwrecking thought.

strandinthewind
10-24-2006, 01:50 PM
I would like a song or two. I love PSB and their production.

Didn't they do "Losing My Mind" with Liza (with a "Z") -- if so, that was FAB!!!

carrie721
10-24-2006, 01:51 PM
I would like a song or two. I love PSB and their production.

i do, too ... i just don't think it's right for stevie. i could handle a song or two, though, i guess.

strandinthewind
10-24-2006, 01:53 PM
i do, too ... i just don't think it's right for stevie. i could handle a song or two, though, i guess.

I think it would mimic the Tracy Young Dance Remix of POTU and, in many ways, the BIG sound of the song TISL. AND - maybe they could get her to song above Middle C and more than three or so notes. So, I am all for that!!!!

sparky
10-24-2006, 02:31 PM
I think it would be fun to hear what they would do. A whole album would be too much, but a few songs, why not? Anything to rattle the cage. The stuff they did with Dusty was super cool. If nothing else, it would get her profile up again in the UK and Europe.

foxyluva
10-24-2006, 02:57 PM
I think this could work - if they went for a more natural/stripped down sound for Stevie like they did on their "Release" album :shrug:

dontlookdown
10-24-2006, 03:16 PM
eww.

i hope she doesn't have another lapse of judgement like she did in the 80's.

hopefully Lindsey's commitment to FM these days will keep Stevie's taste from falling off the wagon.

strandinthewind
10-24-2006, 03:20 PM
I think it would be fun to hear what they would do. A whole album would be too much, but a few songs, why not? Anything to rattle the cage. The stuff they did with Dusty was super cool. If nothing else, it would get her profile up again in the UK and Europe.

I could sooooo see her doing her version of "since you went away, I've been hangin around, wonderin why - IIIIIIIIII'm feeling down . . . . "

I could also see her doing something like Tammy Wynette did in KLF's shiitte :eek:

JazmenFlowers
10-24-2006, 03:34 PM
I could also see her doing something like Tammy Wynette did in KLF's shiitte :eek:
you had me right up to this part. :laugh: don't get me wrong, I like it, but not for Stevie...

strandinthewind
10-24-2006, 03:41 PM
you had me right up to this part. :laugh: don't get me wrong, I like it, but not for Stevie...

You just HATE that song :laugh:

I am not talking about that exact style, but a cameo is way cool a la the Bootylicious video.

Travis
10-24-2006, 03:43 PM
I'd rather see her work with Billy Ray Cyrus.
Pet Shop Boys? Spinecringing carreerwrecking thought.

Billy Ray over PSB???? hell to the N O

JazmenFlowers
10-24-2006, 04:13 PM
You just HATE that song :laugh:

I am not talking about that exact style, but a cameo is way cool a la the Bootylicious video.
ah. ok. I concede.
Billy Ray over PSB???? hell to the N O
make sure you snap at least three times when saying that.

or say it like Whitney..."HELL TO THE NAWWW"

mikeschmike
10-24-2006, 04:40 PM
or say it like Whitney..."HELL TO THE NAWWW"

I prefer her "Kiss m' ass!" overall.

SpyNote
10-24-2006, 05:03 PM
There's something strangely hip about electronic artists wanting to hook up with classic rockers. :woohoo:

ELIUD
10-24-2006, 05:15 PM
I'd rather she work with the Art of Noise. If they're still at work.

Villavic
10-24-2006, 05:28 PM
Didn't they do "Losing My Mind" with Liza (with a "Z") -- if so, that was FAB!!!

that song was really cool, great work.

The idea of SN with PSB excites me, but.. I don't see Stevie style fitting in the PSB sound..

shackin'up
10-24-2006, 05:40 PM
Billy Ray over PSB???? hell to the N O


well, I joked, for me they're in the same league. Vomit vomit vomit.

Livia
10-24-2006, 05:40 PM
I'd like to see her next album produced by Rick Rubin AND Jack White. :thumbsup:

shackin'up
10-24-2006, 05:51 PM
I'd like to see her next album produced by Rick Rubin AND Jack White. :thumbsup:

Look! NOW we're talking!!! :thumbsup: :xoxo:

SandyMac
10-24-2006, 05:54 PM
The first song that came to mind for a remix would be Stand Back, I think that might work.

Also, Art of Noise, now that would be interesting. Are they still together? Anyone know?

I agree that it would only have to be a couple of songs, not a whole album.

Travis
10-24-2006, 06:01 PM
The first song that came to mind for a remix would be Stand Back, I think that might work.

Funny you say that because, Promo Only (one of the video pools I have a subscription with) has a DVD series called Dance Mix. Dance Mix is where they beat mix 3 videos together. For the past year or so, the last power set they use are retro videos. Not long ago, they beat mixed ....

PSB "West End Girls"
Stevie "Stand Back"
Animotion "Obsession"

Not a huge fan of the Animotion song, but they are mixed very well together.

Travis

SandyMac
10-24-2006, 06:06 PM
Funny you say that because, Promo Only (one of the video pools I have a subscription with) has a DVD series called Dance Mix. Dance Mix is where they beat mix 3 videos together. For the past year or so, the last power set they use are retro videos. Not long ago, they beat mixed ....

PSB "West End Girls"
Stevie "Stand Back"
Animotion "Obsession"

Not a huge fan of the Animotion song, but they are mixed very well together.

Travis

Wow, thanks for mentioning that. Come to think of it, those songs I guess would sound good together if mixed right. Do you know if it is on YouTube or anything like that?

Rickypt
10-24-2006, 06:32 PM
I'd rather see her work with Billy Ray Cyrus.
Pet Shop Boys? Spinecringing carreerwrecking thought.

I think the only damage that can be done to Stevie's career at this point is not making any new music at all.

BlackWidow
10-24-2006, 07:36 PM
I bet that would be cool...

sparky
10-24-2006, 09:15 PM
I could also see her doing something like Tammy Wynette did in KLF's shiitte :eek:

Well, we are talking justified and ancient, baby.

JunkFoodGenius
10-24-2006, 09:52 PM
Well, with her work with Deep Dish, this could be a lot of fun! I'm always thrilled to see my worlds of Fleetwood Mac fan and electronic enthusiast combine. (If Vince Clarke and Lindsey ever got together, I may die. This may be the closest I get to dying.)

BlackWidow
10-24-2006, 09:52 PM
I think the only damage that can be done to Stevie's career at this point is not making any new music at all.

here, here!!!!:thumbsup:

strandinthewind
10-24-2006, 10:21 PM
Well, we are talking justified and ancient, baby.

and they drive and ice cream van!!!!!!!!

Tammy was FABULOUS in that!!!!!!

BlackWidow
10-24-2006, 10:42 PM
:nod: and they drive and ice cream van!!!!!!!!

Tammy was FABULOUS in that!!!!!!

:nod: :nod: :nod: :nod: :nod:

Gypsy-Rhiannon
10-25-2006, 03:12 AM
Didn't they do "Losing My Mind" with Liza (with a "Z") -- if so, that was FAB!!!
They did indeed... and it was fab!

Gypsy-Rhiannon
10-25-2006, 03:14 AM
and they drive and ice cream van!!!!!!!!

Tammy was FABULOUS in that!!!!!!

:nod: :thumbsup:

tommer
10-25-2006, 04:23 AM
a PSB-SN recording sounds like a wonderful idea to me, PSB are EXCELLENT collaborators!
besides those mentioned before, they've done a very good job with many others. to name a few more, there were Blur's Girls & Boys, David Bowie (Hallo Spaceboy), Tina Turner's Confidential, they also gave Boy Beorge his greatest solo hit (the crying game), done No Regrets for Robbie Williams, Kylie's Falling, and Pete Burns' masterpiece Jack And Jill Party.
at this point, it seems like a strong production effort may be the only way to redeem her recording career, and for that matter, i'd be happy to see her working even with Jim Steinman or Michael Cretu.

JazmenFlowers
10-25-2006, 10:37 AM
working even with Jim Steinman
that! would be interesting.

strandinthewind
10-25-2006, 10:40 AM
that! would be interesting.

He would make her sing like she meant it. I am seeing a belter like B&B in Vegas come out of those sessions - and that's a good thing!

JazmenFlowers
10-25-2006, 10:47 AM
He would make her sing like she meant it. I am seeing a belter like B&B in Vegas come out of those sessions - and that's a good thing!
don't tease me. I think I would just weep uncontrollably.

did I spell that right?

BlackWidow
10-25-2006, 11:09 AM
that! would be interesting.

Stevie no longer has the vocal range to work with Jim Steinman...:sorry:

JazmenFlowers
10-25-2006, 11:15 AM
Stevie no longer has the vocal range to work with Jim Steinman...:sorry:
oh hush you!

sure she does. even if she didn't, maybe Mr. Steinman would just have to change his songwriting formula a bit.

carrie721
10-25-2006, 11:19 AM
oh hush you!

sure she does. even if she didn't, maybe Mr. Steinman would just have to change his songwriting formula a bit.

stevie doesn't have the confidence to display her full vocal range on stage, but i think in a studio environment, she can still hit high c. she did on the dreams remix. :shrug: she'll never have the range she had before, but she sells herself short in concert IMO.

JazmenFlowers
10-25-2006, 11:21 AM
stevie doesn't have the confidence to display her full vocal range on stage, but i think in a studio environment, she can still hit high c. she did on the dreams remix. :shrug: she'll never have the range she had before, but she sells herself short in concert IMO.
oh I agree totally about in concert. I think there could be some magic in the studio tho.

carrie721
10-25-2006, 11:22 AM
oh I agree totally about in concert. I think there could be some magic in the studio tho.

yeah. sadly, i don't have a lot of hope that she'll release another solo album. :distress:

JazmenFlowers
10-25-2006, 11:27 AM
sadly, i don't have a lot of hope that she'll release another solo album. :distress:
I didn't hear that...I didn't hear that...tralalalalala.


:D

carrie721
10-25-2006, 11:28 AM
I didn't hear that...I didn't hear that...tralalalalala.


:D

sorry ... just call me debbie downer, lol. :sorry: :cool:

sparky
10-25-2006, 01:05 PM
i'd be happy to see her working even with Jim Steinman

Paradise by the blue lamp light.

SandyMac
10-25-2006, 04:42 PM
Paradise by the blue lamp light.

:laugh: I like that. :thumbsup:

Sahara
10-30-2006, 07:13 PM
Steinman and Stevie is to kill or die for.... I've thought that for a very long time. He'd bring something absolutely wicked out of her. *dreams*

Failing that, I'd love to hear Robert Smith and Stevie do something....

Pet Shop Boys have some really brilliant songs (West End Girls has been top of my playlist for the last week) but with Stevie? I can't see it working....!

DestinyRules
10-31-2006, 10:40 PM
I wonder if Stevie even knows who they are.:shrug:I think she would. Stevie's shown a capacity to keep up with current (or then-current) musical acts. She mentioned MAROON 5 for Chrissakes!

Rickypt
11-05-2006, 01:20 PM
So next to the annoying Lindsey article in today's SF Chronicle is a very nice one about the Pet Shop Boys. In which Neil reiterates his desire to work with Stevie.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/11/05/PKGJULU7L61.DTL&hw=pet+shop+boys&sn=001&sc=1000

After everything they've done in the past 20 years, is there anyone the Pet Shop Boys still dream about collaborating with?

"We wanted to work with Nina Simone," Tennant says of the singer-pianist-composer, who died in 2003. "We were always too shy to ask her. Chris would like to make a record with Randy Crawford, who is a great vocalist, and I'd like to work with Stevie Nicks. I recently heard her song 'Has Anyone Ever Written Anything for You?' and her husky vocals really impressed me. So if you're reading this, Stevie, give us a call."

iamstevienicks
11-06-2006, 04:42 PM
It would quite possibly get her a hit single though

Something Dustyesque would be superb!!