Official UTS Review Thread

[desertangel]

I dunno, thought maybe it would be nice to have one place to come and read what everybody's thoughts are on the songs and the CD. I'd like to know what everyone else thinks.

I love the artwork, the colors are appropriate for this time of year. It has a classy design and seems down to earth. This is only the 2nd solo LB work I own, but this one makes me want to do a cannonball off the deep end. I'll be at the Portland show one way or another, even if I end up with a crappy seat.

Question: During The Dance tour, Lindsey talks about Mick and John being in the studio helping him with what would have been songs for GOS. Do we know for sure which songs those were? Sounds like Down on Rodeo was one of them.

Without getting into lyrical deconstruction because that takes many more spins that just a few, here are my thoughts, so far. I could have a different opinion next week... like loving all of the songs equally...

Not Too Late:
Not loving the whispering vocal parts. The verse cadence is too choppy, but the chorus is good. The guitar part reminds me of Say Goodbye. The electronic vocal manipulations are obvious, but okay. This song doesn't rate with me.

Show You How:
Love the guitar intro and the rat-a-tat-tat percussion. It's fabulous. The vocals are signature .."slow down noowhooww.. I'll show ya show show ya hoowwooww." Great cadence. I think it would have fit nicely on Law and Order. Very commercially viable, excellent choice as a single. This is my favorite song on the album.

Under the Skin:
Another great guitar and percussion pairing. Even though the percussion sounds a bit Dr. Rhythm-ish, Lindsey does that a lot and I've come to love it in his songs more than in Stevie's songs. Mostly because all the other layering nearly buries it in all the right places. This whispery vocal sounds much better than in Not Too Late. The lyrics are great and the cadence is excellent. I do love the echoey sound, even if it might be a bit overdone in places, it does create an overall ambiance for the song, one that I really like a lot. It's very smooth, mellow... tea on an early Sunday morning, out on the deck. May also have some commerial viability. This is my second favorite song on the album.

I Am Waiting
Probably my least favorite song on the album because it's just too repetitive. I haven't heard the Stones version, so I can't compare the justice or injustice that Lindsey may have done to this song. This song doesn't rate.

It Was You
Short and sweet with a catchy rhythm. Is that a cowbell I hear? The vocal layering is signature Lindsey. When he sings "yeaaahhh" at the end of the chorus and bends the note up, it reminds me of John/Julian Lennon. This is my sixth favorite song on the album.

To Try for the Sun:
Some of the guitar parts on this song reminds me of Big Love. I thought this song was credited to Donovan but I couldn't find a clip to listen to, so again, I have nothing to compare it to. I like it, it's sweet and I really love the lyrics. The ebb and flow intensity, vocals and guitar remind me of some SYW songs (Red Rover/Miranda.) This is my third favorite song on the album.

Cast Away Dream
The lyrics are sweet. It reminds me of some early LB solo work. Again, I love the echoey layered vocals because I feel it adds to the overall feel of the song. And the rat-a-tat-tat rhythm. This would be the song where it sounds like they're all sitting around strumming acoustics. ... yes, well except for the echoey vocals, but that's okay. This has a good use of a whispery then a regular intensity type of vocal. This song ties for second favorite.

Shut us Down
Again, love the signature guitar, but not loving the whispery vocal parts on this song either. The ending vocals are really a bit weird, sorry, just sounds too pushed. Not liking this song a whole lot because the vocals just killed it for me, so doesn't rate.

Down on Rodeo
Well, we've been hearing this song for awhile... good rhythm, good vocals, great layering on the guitar, lovely lyrics. It was well placed in running order of the album and fits very nicely with the rest of the songs. The chorus is signature, as is vocals and guitar. Sounds like it may have originally been recorded around the time of The Dance, maybe just before ?? The use of the windchimes and the lead guitar tuning sounds like The Dance era. Some commercial viability? This song is another second favorite on the album. Glad it finally appeared.

Someone's Gonna Change Your Mind.
This song seems rather melancholoy, which is a nice change for the overall album. I like the "I know, I know, I know." It has a different vocal styling that works well for the feel of the song as does the children's voices. The horns seem a bit over dramatic and out of place on this song, but I'm not sure how else the crescendo could have been accomplished, what with using the timpani and all. This song is my fifth favorite on the album.

Flying Down Juniper
I love the lyrics, the sweetness, cadence, rhythm. The vocal tone seems a little off, particularly in the beginning, but perhaps that's just part of the overall feel of the song to make it seem more rustic. The chorus is sweet. The windchime intro reminds me of SS on The Dance. Almost sounds like you can hear a metronone in the background. Love the kids in the background. I think you can hear him pushing the stop button on the recorder too. heehee. This is my fourth favorite song.

[stefan]

I cannot rate the songs from 1-11. But I can build 4 categories. Here we go:

Fantastic:
Shut us down
Under the skin

Good:
Not too late
DOR
Try for the sun
SGTYM
Juniper
Cast away dreams

O.K.-songs:
I am waiting
Show you how

Don`t like it:
It was you

If I compare that to his other solo work or even to his entire work (add.FM) I can say that this album contains imo the best amount of songs on one disc together since Tusk.

[Kelly]

My favorite song from the album is "Under the Skin". The lyrics are wonderful and I don't mind the whispery vocal on this one.

I love or like all of the other songs, except It Was You. That is the only song I would put in the dislike category.

[face of glass]

Question: During The Dance tour, Lindsey talks about Mick and John being in the studio helping him with what would have been songs for GOS. Do we know for sure which songs those were? Sounds like Down on Rodeo was one of them.
Mick and John are on DOR and Mick only is on SGCYM if we are to believe the CD booklet. I was thinking it might be John playing the bass on Flying Down Juniper, but the booklet says it's Lindsey himself.

My review to follow, got some studying to do and a couple of videos to watch. :D

[shackin'up]

Mick and John are on DOR and Mick only is on SGCYM if we are to believe the CD booklet. I was thinking it might be John playing the bass on Flying Down Juniper, but the booklet says it's Lindsey himself.

My review to follow, got some studying to do and a couple of videos to watch. :D

I am SURE (by listening)they were on BTLH, GOS, TOF, Miranda, Murrow, SYHA, Shuffle riff, Come and the above mentioned.

[desertangel]

Forgot to mention how dissappointed I was that there were only 11 songs, it was obviously short. Couldn't help but wonder if the next CD will have 11 songs also and how they could have been blended to create one of those multiple personality type Lindsey albums. But we already know why that didn't happen.

Thanks for pointing out which songs Mick and John contributed on, I saw that on the linear notes. I was just wondering which ones may specifically have been done around The Dance era.

[bikerchic]

Someone's Gonna Change Your Mind.
This song seems rather melancholoy, which is a nice change for the overall album. I like the "I know, I know, I know." It has a different vocal styling that works well for the feel of the song as does the children's voices. The horns seem a bit over dramatic and out of place on this song, but I'm not sure how else the crescendo could have been accomplished, what with using the timpani and all. This song is my fifth favorite on the album.


Is it the same as Soundstage? because I absolutely LOVE this song on SS. The horns (keyboard that sound like horns) are my favourite part.

[face of glass]

Thanks for pointing out which songs Mick and John contributed on, I saw that on the linear notes. I was just wondering which ones may specifically have been done around The Dance era.
Well, if that's the case then I think Gerald left out Deep Dense. ;)

[face of glass]

Ok, let's give it a proper whirl:

Not Too Late: I know I complained about the lyrics earlier. With music like this I find them moving though. Disregard the two first lines and the rest is stuff that anyone can relate to at some point in their lives. The chorus hits really hard amidst the melancholy of the verses, the pseudo-classical picking and the middle eight. Almost as great as his previous album openers.

Show You How: Nuttily addictive thudding and a great song to boot. The panpipe outro at the end is still unnecessary though. ;)

Under The Skin: I have the same problem with this one as I do with Flying Down Juniper; the verses are good but the chorus is the one that sticks in my mind more. However, it is a very atmospheric listen with all the echoes and stuff.

I Am Waiting: Loved this on Soundstage, love it here too. Beautiful layers. This is how peaceful desperation should be done.

It Was You: The throwaway piece of the album for some. For me it's just as important as the best of the serious stuff. A playful song with all the Beach Boys influences. Someone here mentioned that he heard some reggae in it, I do too, in Lindsey's vocalising especially. Some kind of parody going on here? Whatever, it's a thrilling pastiche in the best tradition of Buckingham.

To Try For The Sun: It's kind of hard to get used to add the "To" word to it, having written the title without it ever since I first heard GOS. This was a highlight there and becomes one here too, I don't even mind the editing at all.

Cast Away Dreams: I've warmed up to it even more but still think there are better songs on the album. The echoed production works better on UTS and FLJ.

Shut Us Down: Cutting down the entire instrumental bit wasn't a good idea, but other than that I don't really notice the editing. Another moving piece of music that gets nicely heated during the choruses. I've really warmed up to this after not having been too excited about the track last year.

Down On Rodeo: Call me a mainstream sell-out but this has always been perfection and remains so here.

Someone's Gotta Change Your Mind: Fits well to the concept of the album with the echoes and all. Really grown to like this one as well, but still think Holiday Road is better.

Flying Down Juniper: Definitely needs SGCYM as its pair. Ends the record on a beautiful, hopeful note.

Other things I noticed: The click tracks on digital recording software are pretty much on all the new songs that he recorded on tour. Not that I mind, I think it's kinda funny.

Cover art: Can't beat OOTC here, but still looks better printed than it did when I first saw a digital version of the cover. Really nice autumn colours. :)

Overall: GOS is still my favourite solo album of his (even though a part of it appears here), but I guess this one has hit some soft spot right now: I can't really find anything to criticise, except for a few details. Such as the editing of SUD, but never mind that. I'm really glad and grateful that he released something again. Together with Gene Clark's No Other that I just bought recently, these two albums are the true "Cosmic American Music". Gram Parsons, eat yer heart out!

[DavidMn]

Oops I missed this before I started mine.:sorry: BUt suffice it to say I love it!

[michelle2677]

Favorite songs so far are UTS and Show you how.

I'm just thinking-Lindsey has always said his strong points have never been singing or songwriting, but that he focuses more on guitar and production. I happen to really like his voice, but I don't feel like he likes it himself. Is this probably why he is changing it so much in the studio..(I'm not a music person...how does he do it?? you know what I"m talking about :laugh: ) I love the stripped down feel of this album, but just wish the vocals were stripped as well. And anything else he wants to strip. :o

Like Steve's Riff (Wear You Down) . I love the verses, but it took me a long time to get used to that chorus.

[mylittledemon]

Favorite songs so far are UTS and Show you how.

I'm just thinking-Lindsey has always said his strong points have never been singing or songwriting, but that he focuses more on guitar and production. I happen to really like his voice, but I don't feel like he likes it himself. Is this probably why he is changing it so much in the studio..(I'm not a music person...how does he do it?? you know what I"m talking about :laugh: ) I love the stripped down feel of this album, but just wish the vocals were stripped as well. And anything else he wants to strip. :o

Like Steve's Riff (Wear You Down) . I love the verses, but it took me a long time to get used to that chorus.

My guess is he's singing that way now because he's lost a lot of his range, and/or maybe he wanted a softer/quieter album. Although his vocals are quiet on SYW as well. He's said he wanted the album to feel like you were in a room with him, so maybe this is how he sings to his wife and his kids...?

[desertangel]

I thought the same thing about his altering the vocals.

You ask how does he do it? Was that a rhetorical question? See the pictures of the big sound board in the It Was You video? Twisting and turning knobs; reverb, echo, chorus, changing the attack, delay, setting reverb to plate, room or hall, maybe some vocal patches. I'm no sound engineer, obviously, but I did buy a little 16 track recorder just to play around with. It has all the stuff I mentioned on it. You set the settings and sing into the mic, or vice versa. Record the vocal, then go back and add effects to it, which is the preferred method, from what I understand. I took a few classes just to get up and running quicker. I can honestly understand how Lindsey could spend hours, days, months and even years compiling an album. It's devastating how many hours can be wiled away recording one song. (I had to put a clock in my studio due to losing track of time. Four hours would go by and it would feel like only one.) Then again, other songs seem to finish themselves in no time.

[face of glass]

My guess is he's singing that way now because he's lost a lot of his range, and/or maybe he wanted a softer/quieter album. Although his vocals are quiet on SYW as well. He's said he wanted the album to feel like you were in a room with him, so maybe this is how he sings to his wife and his kids...?
I agree about him losing his range, but I remember Lindsey also said that he wanted to do something a bit beyond someone singing and playing the songs in front of you with a guitar. Another explanation for the effects: we'll see how dated they'll sound ten years from now. ;)

[desertangel]

Other things I noticed: The click tracks on digital recording software are pretty much on all the new songs that he recorded on tour. Not that I mind, I think it's kinda funny.

So that's what the sound is... I thought it sounded like a metronone.

GAAAHH..... I disabled the click tracks on both my recorders. They drive me NUTTS! I'll have to turn them back on at some point, like when I decide to quit playing around. They're useful not only for tempo but in editing as well. I don't understand why they can't be edited out for the mixdown. :shrug:

[wondergirl9847]

Got the official hard copy CD a few moments ago in the mail!!!!

Not Too Late - The flurry of guitarwork is mindblowing! His voice is very strong and powerful.

Show You How - This and It Was You are just adorable songs. Fun and funky. Gets stuck in your head for sure. You can totally groove while listening to this. LOL

Under the Skin - My absolute favorite song on this album as of right now. I adored it like I adored Red Rover the second it came on. The melody touches my heart and I love his vocal on this. "your passion swallows you whole..deaf, dumb and blind..." Sheebus.

I Am Waiting - The Soundstage version is one of my faves and I adore this version too. It's more tight sounding, but I just love it.

It Was You - Such a funky, breezy song. Very Caribbean-sounding. Love the shout-outs to the kids. I can picture them listening to this and dancing around with dad. Hee!

To Try for the Sun - I never much cared for this song in it's "demo" form, but it's nice. I like the new vocal. The guitar work is masterful...as usual. The Stevie fans should be happy with this one. ;)

Cast Away Dreams - I love the melody on this one!! A great hummable song...so pretty. The lines that are freaking me out... "it would do no good to drown in the sea where no one remembers their name and nothing but nothing is free." Woah...I may be reading that wrong, but...:shocked:

Shut Us Down - This one caught me off guard when we heard it a little while ago. It was so out there, in the vocal especially, but it's grown on me. I find myself singing the chorus allll the time. The guitar work is amazing. ARG, why cut the solo, Lindsey...WHY!?!!?!

Down on Rodeo - This was never a fave of mine, but it has grown on me A LOT and is a terrific song Great single choice. I am 99% sure they will do this tonight in Nashville. :)

SGCYM - One of my faves...have loved it for awhile now. Powerful vocals!!

Flying Down Juniper- LOVE the soaring vocal on the chorus! I can picture a video in my head for this song with kids playing and running around in slow-mo.

My only "complaint" is the pictures in the booklet seem very dark. Is it that way on everyone's copy? I have 2 more copies on the way, so perhaps it was just this one. :shrug: Well, that and the cut SUD solo. :mad:

This album is somethin' else, folks. I think when I heard SGCYM on that GLAAD CD a few years ago....it was a turning point. I listened and said "Wow, this is unlike anything I've ever heard from Lindsey." and he's been surprising me ever since with this new sound and maturity in his songwriting.

BRAVO! *Stands up and claps*

[macmar71]

Forgot to mention how dissappointed I was that there were only 11 songs, it was obviously short. Couldn't help but wonder if the next CD will have 11 songs also and how they could have been blended to create one of those multiple personality type Lindsey albums. But we already know why that didn't happen.

Thanks for pointing out which songs Mick and John contributed on, I saw that on the linear notes. I was just wondering which ones may specifically have been done around The Dance era.

Definitely too short!!! Could have used another 3 to 4 songs!

[macmar71]

I will also be using this type of scale to rate the songs:

Fantastic:
It was you
To Try For The Sun
DOR

Good:
I am waiting
SGTCYM
Show You How

O.K.-songs:
Shut Us Down
Castaway Dreams

Don`t like it:
Not Too Late
Under The Skin
Juniper

[Peestie]

To Try for the Sun -The Stevie fans should be happy with this one. ;)


Because of the "mirror, mirror in the sky" bit? I didn't think that was a nod toward Stevie since it's in the original Donovan song. (isn't it? :confused: )

[amber]

Because of the "mirror, mirror in the sky" bit? I didn't think that was a nod toward Stevie since it's in the original Donovan song. (isn't it? :confused: )

No, also because of the rest of what it says.

[Peestie]

No, also because of the rest of what it says.

So the "gypsy girl" bit? Sorry, I just never connected Stevie to this song so I don't really see it. :sorry:

[chiliD]

To Try for the Sun:
Some of the guitar parts on this song reminds me of Big Love. I thought this song was credited to Donovan but I couldn't find a clip to listen to, so again, I have nothing to compare it to.

CDUniverse.com: Donovan--Try For The Sun box set. (http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?pid=6936659&BAB=E)

Disc Two, track 8.

Donovan's original sounds eerily like a sequel to his own hit, "Catch The Wind". (which in itself sounds like a parody of early Bob Dylan)

Again, Lindsey pours a freight-load of angst on the lyric...but, mainly I think he was just experimenting with guitar sounds and found a lyric that fit. I think he took the ideas he discovered by doing this song and evolved them into "Red Rover".

Still, if my life was at stake and was forced to name one song on UTS to be my fave (which is painfully difficult to do, for me, suprisingly enough), this would have to be it. Yeah, I know, it's a cover, but hey, it's one of the times that Lindsey makes a song his own and it works, works f-ing well. ;)

[mylittledemon]

CDUniverse.com: Donovan--Try For The Sun box set. (http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?pid=6936659&BAB=E)

Disc Two, track 8.

Donovan's original sounds eerily like a sequel to his own hit, "Catch The Wind". (which in itself sounds like a parody of early Bob Dylan)

Again, Lindsey pours a freight-load of angst on the lyric...but, mainly I think he was just experimenting with guitar sounds and found a lyric that fit. I think he took the ideas he discovered by doing this song and evolved them into "Red Rover".

Still, if my life was at stake and was forced to name one song on UTS to be my fave (which is painfully difficult to do, for me, suprisingly enough), this would have to be it. Yeah, I know, it's a cover, but hey, it's one of the times that Lindsey makes a song his own and it works, works f-ing well. ;)


of all the Ledgies, I am awaiting your review

[DavidMn]

of all the Ledgies, I am awaiting your reviewToo late. He's already been hypnotized by Gerald.:lol:

[Peestie]

Still, if my life was at stake and was forced to name one song on UTS to be my fave (which is painfully difficult to do, for me, suprisingly enough), this would have to be it. Yeah, I know, it's a cover, but hey, it's one of the times that Lindsey makes a song his own and it works, works f-ing well. ;)

So how do you rate the album against his other works, Chilli? Too early to tell yet?

I love this version of TTFTS. I like it more than the GOS version by quite a bit, now that the vocals are clearer and more powerful. Certainly a high point on an already great album IMO.

EDIT: You don't happen to know what tuning he's using for it do you?

[chiliD]

Definitely too short!!! Could have used another 3 to 4 songs!

"She Smiled Sweetly", to me, would've fit the concept of the album. But, then that would've been TWO Rolling Stones covers. Heaven forbid THAT would ever happen. (yes, that was a sarcastic comment)

[mylittledemon]

"She Smiled Sweetly", to me, would've fit the concept of the album. But, then that would've been TWO Rolling Stones covers. Heaven forbid THAT would ever happen. (yes, that was a sarcastic comment)

...still waiting...

[DavidMn]

As someone who has absolutely no clue about the technical side of music, I'm endlessly fascinated with Lindsey's whole music making process.

[chiliD]

So how do you rate the album against his other works, Chilli? Too early to tell yet?

It is going to take a whole bunch for any album of his to top Out Of The Cradle, for me. That, to me, is his career defining masterpiece.

That said, this album is SO DIFFERENT (as a whole) from his other three, that it really is like comparing apples & oranges.

And, really, when you look at ONLY his solo output, each album is almost completely different than the one before.

But, when you look at his entire output (Fleetwood Mac included), there's definitely a thread going through it all...from Tusk to Law & Order there's a similarity, but also some growth...Mirage was an anomaly...then Go Insane was the experimental development that he more fully developed on Tango In The Night, then PERFECTED on Out Of The Cradle. It is just kind of too bad that an entire body of his work (what we know as Gift Of Screws)has been split out between Say You Will and Under The Skin...I guess if you take Lindsey's 10 songs from the Say You Will album (I'm including the Dylan cover, too) and the 11 songs from Under The Skin, you can approximate it. But, I'm starting to feel like these last couple of albums are in some ways a dilution of his vision (uh, oh...I used the "v" word!) in the same way that Brian Wilson's original concept for SMiLe was diluted into the Beach Boys' Smiley Smile and 20/20 albums (and beyond).

I love this version of TTFTS. I like it more than the GOS version by quite a bit, now that the vocals are clearer and more powerful. Certainly a high point on an already great album IMO.

EDIT: You don't happen to know what tuning he's using for it do you?

I have yet to "A/B" the two versions, so I can't really comment on the difference. Sure, the vocals are more prominent in the mix compared to the guitar, but that's about all I can remember off the top of my head.

I have no idea about the tuning. And, to be honest, I don't really care, since I have NO plans to sit down and try to learn the song (or any of his new songs). That's Lindsey's thing, I have my own thing...#1 one of which isn't to copy his.

[chiliD]

...still waiting...

I'm not real good at complying to demands. Usually, will purposely NOT respond to 'em. And, when we get into "Nagging" territory...I'll flat out refuse to respond. Is that clear enough? ;)

[mylittledemon]

I'm not real good at complying to demands. Usually, will purposely NOT respond to 'em. And, when we get into "Nagging" territory...I'll flat out refuse to respond. Is that clear enough? ;)

Aye, but from one Lindsey fan who actually agrees with your take on the "Here Comes the Sun" topic...I am eagerly awaiting your new thoughts on the album that I've still not heard as of yet...

[shackin'up]

So how do you rate the album against his other works, Chilli? Too early to tell yet?


Well, if it is too early to rank it for ChiliD, I agree. I still can't rank it. It's growing on me, I take time to feel it through, because this album is-again-unlike anything he has done before. Maybe some tracks remind me of earlier released ones, but as a whole I am still wrestling with the actual feel of the album. It hits me like a train, It's light and heavy at the same time, the productional sheen is something that I have to give a place yet. A fact is: this man learned me how to listen to, and be open towards, the edges of popmusic, and now, 27 years after Tusk, he does it again: testing the borders of my taste. Only therefore I can already say it is a masterpiece in my world.

And Shut Us Down, especially after seeing the video, I rank as the most gorgeous track the man has ever recorded. Ever

[chiliD]

Aye, but from one Lindsey fan who actually agrees with your take on the "Here Comes the Sun" topic...

Damn...you're good. :lol:

[Peestie]

I guess if you take Lindsey's 10 songs from the Say You Will album (I'm including the Dylan cover, too) and the 11 songs from Under The Skin, you can approximate it.


What Dylan cover? I think I missed that.


I have yet to "A/B" the two versions, so I can't really comment on the difference. Sure, the vocals are more prominent in the mix compared to the guitar, but that's about all I can remember off the top of my head.

I have no idea about the tuning. And, to be honest, I don't really care, since I have NO plans to sit down and try to learn the song (or any of his new songs). That's Lindsey's thing, I have my own thing...#1 one of which isn't to copy his.

It's edited down so it is and the mix is a bit different.

That's fair enough, I didn't know you didn't play his stuff.
Anyone else know?;)

[mylittledemon]

What Dylan cover? I think I missed that.

;)

Love Minus Zero, on the deluxe version of SYW...its well done too

[shackin'up]

Love Minus Zero, on the deluxe version of SYW...its well done too


a bit tame though. Not such a sparkling twist as eeeeehhhh...TTFTS

[Peestie]

Love Minus Zero, on the deluxe version of SYW...its well done too

Ah... Haven't heard that sadly. Don't think the delux version was available when I got my SYW, since that was only at the start of this year.

EDIT: AH, it was apparently. I must have missed it at the time.

[chiliD]

What Dylan cover? I think I missed that.

"Love Minus Zero/No Limit" on the limited edition 2 disc version of SYW that also had Stevie's "Not Make Believe" and a couple of live things from the AOL sessions.

EDIT: what they said (since I obviously was asleep at the switch on the response to that...Damn this having to work for a living thing.
It's edited down so it is and the mix is a bit different.

I'm interested to hear the differences in the versions of all three of the GOS tunes on this new album...I haven't really noticed anything obvious about the UTS versions right off the bat, anyway.

That's fair enough, I didn't know you didn't play his stuff. Anyone else know?;)

I mean, yeah, some of his older Mac stuff I learned to play (back when I HAD to for the cover bands I was in)...and I did learn The Dance version of "Big Love"...out of curiosity, since it didn't LOOK all that difficult when I finally SAW him play it...and it really isn't if you have a decent command of the guitar going into it. But, for the last 25 years, I've basically tried to focus on finding and bringing out MY style instead of imitate someone else's. Problem is, I've kept finding my way into cover bands where the goal is to "Play It Exactly Like The Record". So, hopefully, I've gotten rid of those (for now anyway) and am focusing on situations where I can let MY style shine.

[mylittledemon]

Ah... Haven't heard that sadly. Don't think the delux version was available when I got my SYW, since that was only at the start of this year.

Its visually nice...not much extras. A small poster, and 2 tracks that didnt make the album: Love Minus Zero and Stevie's "Not Make Believe"...and then there was a live version of SYW and Peacekeeper from the AOL sessions.

[dontlookdown]

I think the album is f*cking brilliant and I'm so happy Lindsey finally recorded an album that he wanted to make rather than an album that Warner Bros. wanted him to make.

It's masterful work and I think people will look back on it as a brave collection of songs - with songwriting that's right up there with Joni Mitchell and Bruce Springsteen.

[mylittledemon]

I think the album is f*cking brilliant and I'm so happy Lindsey finally recorded an album that he wanted to make rather than an album that Warner Bros. wanted him to make.


Didnt he do that with Tusk? The man's got nothing to prove, anymore, as far as I'm concerned. But yes, I'm happy he does his own thing regardless of what the record company wants him to.

[chiliD]

I think the album is f*cking brilliant and I'm so happy Lindsey finally recorded an album that he wanted to make rather than an album that Warner Bros. wanted him to make.

And, that he was assertive enough to tell WB to "stick it".


(but, I really think that there was some backroom bargaining done...that he'll quickly get the the "electric album", that he mentioned is in the works, ready for release in the Spring, on time, and catering to WB's wishes; if they'd let him release UTS as is).

[Peestie]

I'm interested to hear the differences in the versions of all three of the GOS tunes on this new album...I haven't really noticed anything obvious about the UTS versions right off the bat, anyway.


DOR is more or less exactly the same (other than being a bit louder). Same for SGCYM. TTFTS got a bit of an overhaul though. If you A/B them it's easy enough to see what he's done.


I mean, yeah, some of his older Mac stuff I learned to play (back when I HAD to for the cover bands I was in)...and I did learn The Dance version of "Big Love"...out of curiosity, since it didn't LOOK all that difficult when I finally SAW him play it...and it really isn't if you have a decent command of the guitar going into it. But, for the last 25 years, I've basically tried to focus on finding and bringing out MY style instead of imitate someone else's. Problem is, I've kept finding my way into cover bands where the goal is to "Play It Exactly Like The Record". So, hopefully, I've gotten rid of those (for now anyway) and am focusing on situations where I can let MY style shine.

I totally understand. I'm still at the stage when I'm "finding my feet" with the guitar, so I'm happy enough to play other peoples' stuff. I still try to do my own thing when I can by improving solos etc. Hopefully get into a band situation soon where I can do my own thing more. I'd write stuff occasionally, but I really need other people to bounce ideas off and find out what my style is like when playing with other people.

[Peestie]

And, that he was assertive enough to tell WB to "stick it".


(but, I really think that there was some backroom bargaining done...that he'll quickly get the the "electric album", that he mentioned is in the works, ready for release in the Spring, on time, and catering to WB's wishes; if they'd let him release UTS as is).

I would quite like it if they did, because that way we can be sure that we'll get it soon enough. Left to his own designs who knows how long it could be until it comes out? :laugh:

[shackin'up]

http://download.yousendit.com/484889563F9206FE

enjoy

[shackin'up]

And, that he was assertive enough to tell WB to "stick it".

THAT really makes ME happy.


(but, I really think that there was some backroom bargaining done...that he'll quickly get the the "electric album", that he mentioned is in the works, ready for release in the Spring, on time, and catering to WB's wishes; if they'd let him release UTS as is).

Spot on, Steve. I'm SURE that has happened.


HMMM....we're too much agreed these times...

[Peestie]

http://download.yousendit.com/484889563F9206FE

enjoy

Thanks :thumbsup: I'm liking it :D

[John Run]

And, that he was assertive enough to tell WB to "stick it".


(but, I really think that there was some backroom bargaining done...that he'll quickly get the the "electric album", that he mentioned is in the works, ready for release in the Spring, on time, and catering to WB's wishes; if they'd let him release UTS as is).

Steve-I think you are right on the deal. However, I think WB's has little interest in a Lindsey solo album and not so secretly hopes that the next album morphs into a Fleetwood Mac album....Lindsey first said that the album was done, and then it was 85% done, now this week he said after Christmas they will start working on the album with input from Mick and John. You have been around a long time and I am sure you know what that usually leads to...A FM album will sell a million copies a Lindsey solo album will sell 20% of that...I am sure WB would prefer the machinery suck Lindsey in again for a 12-14 song album...Of course me being me, would not mind a Lindsey, Mick, John trio album.

[WelshWitchPMD]

OK after driving around Atlanta like a crazy lady looking for Barnes and Noble I finally got the B & N 'exclusive' CD. It was right under the new releases section and it was the last one. They also had some promotional book markers and I took a few of those too.
Now I have my laptop with me and the speakers are really crappy so I can't hear the songs that well. I have to say that I really only liked one song which was "Under The Skin". To me it sounds like another song and I can't for the life of me remember the name of it.
I think another reason that I don't care for the CD is just because of some of the lyrics. I am not a man going through a mid-life crisis so I can't really relate.
Also the CD info doesn't even show up on my Windows Media player. What is up with that?

[BombaySapphire3]

After finally getting a chance to listen to tha album I have to say I like it very much it is atmospheric and very cohesive ie. the entire album works as a whole and having come up in the era of albums that is something that always impresses me.I also agree with whomever said it was a grower ..it seems to improve upon repeated listens.Good to know someone currently in Fleetwood Mac is doing some new and creative.

[chiliD]

Also the CD info doesn't even show up on my Windows Media player. What is up with that?

The album's been out, what?, TWO F-ING DAYS?!? Have a little patience for them to compile the info. GEEEEEEEEZ!!!

[desertangel]

As someone who has absolutely no clue about the technical side of music, I'm endlessly fascinated with Lindsey's whole music making process.

Absolutely so am I. Particularly after watching "The Making of Rumours" a few years ago. Fascinated to the point of buying a whirlygig machine myself. Now I can safely say... he really is a genius, extremely artistic and uncannily creative.

[Kelly]

The album's been out, what?, TWO F-ING DAYS?!? Have a little patience for them to compile the info. GEEEEEEEEZ!!!

Aww...she was just asking a question. ;)

[WelshWitchPMD]

Aww...she was just asking a question. ;)

:nod: I bet if I had bought a hip hip CD the info would have been on there lickity split!

[John Run]

Some quick thoughts on the album after listening to it for 3 plus days.

Musically I really enjoy it. It is sparse with lots of space. Subtle guitar playing, as opposed to some of the over the top stuff on Say You Will.

The songs are introspective and so far hold up well lyrically.

My problem with the album is the vocals. For me they come off as someone who is ashamed of his voice. The processing and the delays, and the whisper to almost a spoken word, really decay the quality of the songs for me. Nice pieces of music lose a lot of their muicality because of it.

I know many will see the merit in the way he approaches vocal sounds on this album. I find them to lessen what had the potential to me much better. The other concern for me. The two most complete songs were recorded 10 years ago.

[macmar71]

:nod: I bet if I had bought a hip hip CD the info would have been on there lickity split!

:lol: Ain't that the truth!

[estranged4life]

possibly on Saturday since my copy will arrive today via UPS.

Weird, the disc will arrive while we're shopping and noone will be home but our cats. I better not come home to find the cats tinkering with my CD or there will be hell to pay.

[shackin'up]

possibly on Saturday since my copy will arrive today via UPS.

Weird, the disc will arrive while we're shopping and noone will be home but our cats. I better not come home to find the cats tinkering with my CD or there will be hell to pay.

Let us know how you feel about the album, cats....eeehhhh brian:lol:

[Peestie]

Also the CD info doesn't even show up on my Windows Media player. What is up with that?

I put it in my Windows Media Player on Monday when I got it and it brought up the info :shrug:

[estranged4life]

Let us know how you feel about the album, cats....eeehhhh brian:lol:

I am on the first track "Not Too Late" and I like what I hear.

Heh, Why couldnt Lindsey's last name have started with the letter "Z", now I have to move my collection to add his disc into the alphabetical/chronological order I have my discs (Which is a pain in the ass!!!)

[chiliD]

I am on the first track "Not Too Late" and I like what I hear.

Heh, Why couldnt Lindsey's last name have started with the letter "Z", now I have to move my collection to add his disc into the alphabetical/chronological order I have my discs (Which is a pain in the ass!!!)

You should be glad his last name isn't "Aardvark". :lol:

[amber]

Some quick thoughts on the album after listening to it for 3 plus days.

Musically I really enjoy it. It is sparse with lots of space. Subtle guitar playing, as opposed to some of the over the top stuff on Say You Will.

The songs are introspective and so far hold up well lyrically.

My problem with the album is the vocals. For me they come off as someone who is ashamed of his voice. The processing and the delays, and the whisper to almost a spoken word, really decay the quality of the songs for me. Nice pieces of music lose a lot of their muicality because of it.

I know many will see the merit in the way he approaches vocal sounds on this album. I find them to lessen what had the potential to me much better.

This is just about exactly how I feel about the album, well put. I want to hear Lindsey sing. Lyrically I couldn't ask for better.

[estranged4life]

You should be glad his last name isn't "Aardvark". :lol:

I will have to reorganize next week when the new Amon Amarth disc arrives.

At least the Rush discs I am expecting/received are easy to place in the order (Weird, stopped at Hastings in Norman on Main Street today and was in and out the store in less than 1 minute-Seems they are totally remodeling the store and had ALL the music section under plastic tarps as they tore the ceiling tiles down :shrug: )

[CarterNix]

I have no idea about the tuning. And, to be honest, I don't really care, since I have NO plans to sit down and try to learn the song (or any of his new songs). That's Lindsey's thing, I have my own thing...#1 one of which isn't to copy his.

ChiliD, you really ought to have a decade spanning career, a dedicated fan base AND unquestionable talent before talking on a Fleetwood Mac forum about whatever it is you might do in you spare time. ;)

-CarterNix

[chiliD]

ChiliD, you really ought to have a decade spanning career, a dedicated fan base AND unquestionable talent before talking on a Fleetwood Mac forum about whatever it is you might do in you spare time. ;)

-CarterNix

And YOUR expertise is? :shrug:

I do have a "decade spanning career"...and my fans are damned "dedicated". And, my talent IS "unquestionable". "Opportunity" didn't drop in my lap like somebody we all fawn over.

[CarterNix]

And YOUR expertise is? :shrug:
Firstly, I am expert in knowing when it's my place to comment, and I believe it to be a skill that you could do with learning.
Secondly, my expertise is of no consequence here - I'm not the one claiming to be too good to learn how to play Lindsey's songs.

I do have a "decade spanning career"...and my fans are damned "dedicated". And, my talent IS "unquestionable". "Opportunity" didn't drop in my lap like somebody we all fawn over.

I've never believed much in making music for music's sake. I see it as the excuse of people who can't boast musical success.

-CarterNix

[amber]

I've never believed much in making music for music's sake. I see it as the excuse of people who can't boast musical success.

-CarterNix

:shocked: :shocked: But what about all the billions of people who love to make music, because it's fun, but aren't monetarily successful, but still may be really good? I know hella superior singers who aren't famous or singing for a living. :confused: I dunno, that whole statement confused me. You can't make music unless you love it, anyway, which is doing music for music's sake. Also, as far as I can tell, more than many people - Lindsey truly does make music for music's sake. He is also successful. The two aren't mutually exclusive, nor do they necessarily go hand in hand.

[Peestie]

Firstly, I am expert in knowing when it's my place to comment, and I believe it to be a skill that you could do with learning.
Secondly, my expertise is of no consequence here - I'm not the one claiming to be too good to learn how to play Lindsey's songs.


He didn't say he was "too good" to learn Lindsey's stuff :confused: He said he doesn't learn Lindsey's stuff. I think you took the totally wrong meaning from it. I think most people here would say Chilli can comment however he wants. He's been a fan long enough to know what he's talking about.


I've never believed much in making music for music's sake. I see it as the excuse of people who can't boast musical success.

Rubbish. Some successful artists claim to make music for music's sake. What are they making "excuses" for if they have the success?

[CarterNix]

:shocked: :shocked: But what about all the billions of people who love to make music, because it's fun, but aren't monetarily successful, but still may be really good? I know hella superior singers who aren't famous or singing for a living. :confused: I dunno, that whole statement confused me. You can't make music unless you love it, anyway, which is doing music for music's sake. Also, as far as I can tell, more than many people - Lindsey truly does make music for music's sake. He is also successful. The two aren't mutually exclusive, nor do they necessarily go hand in hand.

You're right Amber. I do understand the joy of making music. I simply think that in this case, ChiliD was using it as an excuse. My post was merely a call for humility from someone who is in no place to assume that the general Fleetwood Mac fan base who use this board - (people aside from his close friends and cronies) - would have any interest whatsoever in whatever music he makes.

Further to that, it doesnt matter how long he has been a fan - he was coming across as disrespectful in a thread where people where happily comparing likes/dislikes regarding a new album that has been so long awaited.

Put simply, this is a Lindsey Buckingham messageboard - it doesn't exist for anyone else to promote their own supposed virtues.

[John Run]

I did not interpret what Steve wrote here in anyway to be some sort of self promotion. He simply said he does not learn anyone's music note for note anymore. What is the big deal? As some who has been reading Steve's post for 10 years, I can assure you he is one of the most thoughtful contributers to these boards.

I have to admit I have become increasingly dismayed by the hijacking of these threads by people who seem to have a hair trigger release on anything they might find the least bit off putting. Get to know the styles and sense of humors of the posters.

[amber]

You're right Amber. I do understand the joy of making music. I simply think that in this case, ChiliD was using it as an excuse. My post was merely a call for humility from someone who is in no place to assume that the general Fleetwood Mac fan base who use this board - (people aside from his close friends and cronies) - would have any interest whatsoever in whatever music he makes.

Further to that, it doesnt matter how long he has been a fan - he was coming across as disrespectful in a thread where people where happily comparing likes/dislikes regarding a new album that has been so long awaited.

Put simply, this is a Lindsey Buckingham messageboard - it doesn't exist for anyone else to promote their own supposed virtues.

Oh. I understand the temptation to say what you said, when someone who hasn't made a billion dollars with their music talks disparagingly about someone who has - but I don't think that will necessarily make it true. Believe me, I understand well, as I have been tempted to use the "everyone loves Stevie!" argument to justify some stuff. It's been hard to employ logic with that, sometimes. But I push through, and still try. She is not immune, no matter how much I love her.

And I can't speak for others, but I do welcome musician's views, especially such seasoned ones as ChiliD. I'm not Chili's friend or Crony, heck, I almost never even talk to him - and maybe others here wouldn't be interested in what he does musically - I don't know.

But though I may disagree with Chili, I still find his opinions interesting, and do want to hear his special musician insight. That dude has been around the scene playing music since I was born, or nearly so - I love it. Though I rarely agree with him.

And maybe he is "disrespectful", I can see your point on that - but that is really what he thinks, and just because he thinks that from his perspective doesn't necessarily make his life musical experience or talent less - it just makes him not agree with "us". And I'm sure you realize not everyone will. I just don't think it is fair to judge his own music on his opinions about Linds. Who knows, Chili may suck, and he may be making excuses ( I doubt it) but until we know for sure, that seems unfair. As of now, we can only say that we think his opinion about Linds sucks. lol.

And people promote their virtues here all the time - it may seem self centered for Mr. D to draw on his own musical choices when talking about Lindsey, but as a lifelong musician, I couldn't really expect him not to draw on that experience. What else is he supposed to draw on? And he really is a musicians, all his opinions here that I've ever seen draw on that knowledge. I mean, that is WHO HE IS.

And as you pointed out, you may think he is "full of sh*t", perhaps, or doesn't have basis for his opinions and ways of doing things because he is a musician but not a "successful" one (I would argue with that, as it seems Mr. D has made a living, or at least a suppliimental living, being a musician).

I have to submit that though he may be full of sh*t, and has drawn on his own experience as a musician to illustrate his feelings about the album - that doesn't make his music or musicianship any less, or his opinions less valid, and doesn't necessarily mean he is self promoting any more than the rest of us - when people talk in their exercise threads about stuff, I sound all superior, too, because I know a lot about exercise and food - music just happens to be ChiliD's area of expertise, he knows about music - so like anyone his opinions in his area of expertise may come off stronger and more arrogant. No big.

Which, IMO, is to be expected, and doesn't at all mean anyone has to agree with him. Or even take his opinion as a seasoned musician. Not at all. I'm not sure I've ever agreed with Chili (except for TP's kick ass rendition of Oh Well)

But nevertheless that will be his perspective, because that is who he is, and where his opinion comes from.

In short version, I think anyone can think anyone else is an a-hole, or wrong, but I never really think it is disrespectful for someone to voice their opinion. Or, maybe I do, but I try to realize that I can't call someone out for their opinion, no matter how "disrespectful" I think it is. Obviously, you can tell when people come from a place of malice, without consideration of the actual work, and I don't think that is the case here.

But also, I think you can call him out, if that is your opinion. I just don't agree with the reasons you posted for your disagreement. :p I don't think any artist should ever be spared someone's real opinion because you are trying to be respectful. But I do think much, much, criticism about artists is wrong, wrong. Like, the critics who skewer Stevie - I know they don't know what I know, but I can only just say they are a-holes who don't know, and chalk it up to that. Calling them "disrespectful" is like coercing someone to like you when they don't, just because you are famous, or whatever. You can be talented and famous till the world ends, it doesn't still mean everyone will like you, or see that. It's a cryin' shame, but it's true.

I would never spare anyone out of pity, or trying to be respectful, because that shortchanges the artist as well as the listener. Any artist should never be immune to discussion and "criticism." Otherwise, where is the room to grow? It's not possible for any artist, or person, to be perfect all the time, is it? You, or I, might think they are perfect, but to actually expect everyone else to think they are perfect is odd and unattainable, and to label that disrespectful is tyrannical, IMO.

And god forbid, above all, please, no - that the artist themself is ever satisfied and think their work is perfect. Because that is when art dies, and parody and nostalgia take over what used to be art. And I think we all know what I mean by that. *Shudder*

It was nice to read what you said, though, haven't seen you round here. :wavey: I mean that, too. Sometimes people think I am being sarcastic when I am not, is why I'm double saying that it was a pleasure to read what you thought. It really was. lol.

*Also I may have to again agree with John Run. Twice in one day! Are you gay, John Run, or can I date you? lol*

And for the record, I bet ChiliD rocks. I know so, so, so many musician/singers who are far superior to what we hear but are not famous or recognized.
I long ago, like when I was 3, and my mom sang with her guitar, stopped judging music by its monetary or public success. I'd be a fool, and miss so many great things, If I had.

Okay but for reals in short:
To question ChiliD's opinion? - AWESOME!
To question ChiliD's musicianship having never heard him? - Lower than low, unfair, petty, etc. :p

S'okay, happens to the best of us. Or at least me. :laugh:
gar, I should probably erase the rest of that effluvium that I just wrote.

[desertangel]

So.... um... heh - after listening to this CD for several days... and those whispery vocal songs... I really have to wonder, knowing how Lindsey likes to experiment and all... perhaps he's doing a Bob Dylan thing, yanno... by makin his voice different - whispery - or something. heh, just a crazy thought... :shrug: sorry for all the dots. :sorry:

[Peestie]

You're right Amber. I do understand the joy of making music. I simply think that in this case, ChiliD was using it as an excuse. My post was merely a call for humility from someone who is in no place to assume that the general Fleetwood Mac fan base who use this board - (people aside from his close friends and cronies) - would have any interest whatsoever in whatever music he makes.

Further to that, it doesnt matter how long he has been a fan - he was coming across as disrespectful in a thread where people where happily comparing likes/dislikes regarding a new album that has been so long awaited.

Put simply, this is a Lindsey Buckingham messageboard - it doesn't exist for anyone else to promote their own supposed virtues.

What posts are you reading?! There was no self promotion! He just said he doesn't learn stuff by other artists! He didn't dismiss Lindsey's stuff (in this thread anyway :lol: ) and he didn't promote his own.


Back on topic, I've listened to this album 50+ times since Monday and is IMO one of his top albums. Not Too Late has become a real favourite. Hell, they are all real favourites! I just wish the album was longer, because I like it so much!:thumbsup:

[Sarah]

Heh, Why couldnt Lindsey's last name have started with the letter "Z", now I have to move my collection to add his disc into the alphabetical/chronological order I have my discs (Which is a pain in the ass!!!)

i do that too.

i haven't moved mine yet.. i think i'm going to do it on the ride to nashville today. frikkin' OCD tendencies.

[Keith]

“Under the Skin”

As soon as the needle hits the record, the familiar speed-induced guitar strum lets you know Lindsey Buckingham has once again filled your space with his always interesting, sometimes head scratching, but overall satisfying work – this time on his new record “Under the Skin.”

The openers “Not Too Late” and “Show You How” require a level of dedication to continue. Both tracks come on strong for being two of the weaker, but still solid tracks – Lindsey throws layers of sound out there, and it takes a bit of commitment to grab it. The listener who does will be rewarded with moments of pleasure as he sings “my children look away.. they don’t know what to say.” “Not Too Late” lets the listener know this journey is going to be a bit different that his last effort “Out of the Cradle.” “The shadow singer will stand and linger.. .. in places no one ever goes.” You instantly realize his words rely on the music he’s creating to express the emotion. “Show You How” continues to grow on me with each listen. It’s sentiment of being lucky enough to have someone that can center you in this crazy, unsettling world is powerful. Maybe this explains why Lindsey mellows the song as it fades out – slowing down for her.

He then strums perfectly into “Under the Skin” with its gorgeous melody that wraps nicely around his soft echoing voice. I willingly floated into its sadness. He follows it with two other great numbers: the longing, whispering “I Am Waiting” with its addictive, breathy strum and “It Was You” which has the best chorus-chant-vocal-layer on the record that fronts the catchy guitar riff anchoring the track. “Everyday now I can hear the sound.”

At this point, I’m totally immersed in Lindsey’s new record and it pays off as he delivers the one-two punch of “To Try for the Sun” and “Castaway Dreams,” two of my favorite tracks. “To Try for the Sun” is vintage Buckingham without sounding used. I hear pieces of Buckingham Nicks and Tango in the Night. His shift into high gear as the song ends reminisces “Big Love.” And with lines like “the Gypsy Girl and I… we were only trying for the sun” makes you wonder if he is writing about those Buckingham Nicks days.

I adore the lyrics of “Castaway Dreams,” especially “Hearts will break with choices we must make, so sleep and dream of me.” Sometimes the most simple lyrics best captures the sentiment, especially when the music that surrounds the words falsely emanates the air of serenity. “Look for me in the morning light.. ..dancing on my castaway dreams.”

“Shut Us Down” requires a good set of headphones to appreciate – hints of “World Turning” can be heard by the listener who moves beyond the vocals and focuses on the perfectly layered strings.

Although the next two tracks are outstanding, they seem a bit out of place due to their familiarity – I’ve heard them before. “Down on Radio” surprises by not being the radio single – actually I’ve heard it 3 times this past week on “The Loft” on XM radio. At least someone is playing it, as it’s a wonderful track. “Someone’s Gotta Change Your Mind” is another beauty, although its liveliness seems strange on this record.

He finishes the album with the breezy riff of “Flying Down Juniper” that floats along with such delicate percussion that you can almost feel Lindsey’s fingers brushing against the strings. The perfect, albeit too soon, ending.

The ultimate musical satisfaction can only come from the ultimate artist. “Under the Skin” achieves that distinction due to Lindsey’s passion, vision, and talent. Easily one of the best records I’ve heard this year. For music and this fan’s sake, let’s hope Lindsey Buckingham strums on…

[Dan B.]

I can't add much to all the great reviews everyone's already written on here, but to say I've just heard it the first time, and it's a complete home run, imo. Lyrics, sound, packaging, everything about this cd is just great. The only thing that seems out of sorts to me is "Someone's Gotta Change Your Mind" not being the opener, it always seemed like the logical opener for Gift of Screws. And yes, of course this is a different album, but it fits in just fine and is still one of my favorite Buckingham tracks ever.

[GypsySorcerer]

This album is fantastic..... not a weak track on it for me. As a lyricist, he has grown leaps and bounds. I was impressed lyrically with his work on Say You Will/Gift of Screws, and continue to be so here....particularly on "Not Too Late" and "Under the Skin." I think the two covers are brilliant, and I often play the trio of "I am Waiting", "It Was You," and "To Try for the Sun" over and over.... a perfect threesome.

"Shut us Down" has never been my favorite (sorry, Gerald :laugh: ), but it has grown on me here. I find myself singing it and "Show You How" randomly throughout the day. Simply, I could not be more pleased with this album.

[Carolina Girl]

[QUOTE=Keith;579033 I hear pieces of Buckingham Nicks and Tango in the Night. His shift into high gear as the song ends reminisces “Big Love.” And with lines like “the Gypsy Girl and I… we were only trying for the sun” makes you wonder if he is writing about those Buckingham Nicks days. [/QUOTE]

He might think of the BN days when he sings it, but he didn't write it.

[estranged4life]

confirm what I heard at the very end of "Flying Down Juniper", I hear one of Linds' lil' girls say clearly "Dad-dy" at the very end of the music (At the 4:39 mark)

Someone check this to make sure I am not imaging it, ok?

[GypsySorcerer]

confirm what I heard at the very end of "Flying Down Juniper", I hear one of Linds' lil' girls say clearly "Dad-dy" at the very end of the music (At the 4:39 mark)

Someone check this to make sure I am not imaging it, ok?

Yep, I hear it too. :nod:

[Peestie]

Yup it is there. Seems to be very happy about his family on this album.

[shackin'up]

"Shut us Down" has never been my favorite (sorry, Gerald :laugh: ), but it has grown on me here. I find myself singing it ...

:laugh: Don't be sorry. It's a weird song. But the fact it's growing on you proves that if you're open for it, it'll turn out to be a goldmine. In a few months you'll agree with me. I'm sure. The place SUD has on the album fits so perfectly that everyone who likes the album as a whole will gain more love for this song. BTW: have I mentioned before that -imo- SUD is the best thing he ever recorded?

PS: Tusk is the best album ever recorded by anyone.

[DavidMn]

The more I listen to the song Under The Skin, the more its becoming my favorite song of Lindsey's.:nod:

[mylittledemon]

.... a perfect threesome.

HAHAHA...!!

[GypsySorcerer]

:laugh: Don't be sorry. It's a weird song. But the fact it's growing on you proves that if you're open for it, it'll turn out to be a goldmine. In a few months you'll agree with me. I'm sure. The place SUD has on the album fits so perfectly that everyone who likes the album as a whole will gain more love for this song. BTW: have I mentioned before that -imo- SUD is the best thing he ever recorded?

PS: Tusk is the best album ever recorded by anyone.

I completely agree about SUD's placement, and IMO, this is an album that one needs to digest holistically.

[GypsySorcerer]

HAHAHA...!!

:laugh: I knew someone on here would appreciate that. ;)

[mylittledemon]

:laugh: I knew someone on here would appreciate that. ;)

haha...in fact, I noticed it right off...i hesitated to say anything!

[GypsySorcerer]

haha...in fact, I noticed it right off...i hesitated to say anything!

You did? I'm shocked. ;) :xoxo:

[mylittledemon]

You did? I'm shocked. ;) :xoxo:

Shocked that I noticed it quickly, or that i hesitated to mention it...? =P

[GypsySorcerer]

Shocked that I noticed it quickly, or that i hesitated to mention it...? =P

Hesitated to say anything. :laugh:

[mylittledemon]

BTW: have I mentioned before that -imo- SUD is the best thing he ever recorded?


I find that a strange thing to say. It's a good song but his vocals are weak and strained. Doesn't even have any of his best guitar work either. I guess we all have opinions though. Then again, we all have arseholes too.

[irishgrl]

Oh. I understand the temptation to say what you said, when someone who hasn't made a billion dollars with their music talks disparagingly about someone who has - but I don't think that will necessarily make it true. Believe me, I understand well, as I have been tempted to use the "everyone loves Stevie!" argument to justify some stuff. It's been hard to employ logic with that, sometimes. But I push through, and still try. She is not immune, no matter how much I love her.

And I can't speak for others, but I do welcome musician's views, especially such seasoned ones as ChiliD. I'm not Chili's friend or Crony, heck, I almost never even talk to him - and maybe others here wouldn't be interested in what he does musically - I don't know.

But though I may disagree with Chili, I still find his opinions interesting, and do want to hear his special musician insight. That dude has been around the scene playing music since I was born, or nearly so - I love it. Though I rarely agree with him.

And maybe he is "disrespectful", I can see your point on that - but that is really what he thinks, and just because he thinks that from his perspective doesn't necessarily make his life musical experience or talent less - it just makes him not agree with "us". And I'm sure you realize not everyone will. I just don't think it is fair to judge his own music on his opinions about Linds. Who knows, Chili may suck, and he may be making excuses ( I doubt it) but until we know for sure, that seems unfair. As of now, we can only say that we think his opinion about Linds sucks. lol.

And people promote their virtues here all the time - it may seem self centered for Mr. D to draw on his own musical choices when talking about Lindsey, but as a lifelong musician, I couldn't really expect him not to draw on that experience. What else is he supposed to draw on? And he really is a musicians, all his opinions here that I've ever seen draw on that knowledge. I mean, that is WHO HE IS.

And as you pointed out, you may think he is "full of sh*t", perhaps, or doesn't have basis for his opinions and ways of doing things because he is a musician but not a "successful" one (I would argue with that, as it seems Mr. D has made a living, or at least a suppliimental living, being a musician).

I have to submit that though he may be full of sh*t, and has drawn on his own experience as a musician to illustrate his feelings about the album - that doesn't make his music or musicianship any less, or his opinions less valid, and doesn't necessarily mean he is self promoting any more than the rest of us - when people talk in their exercise threads about stuff, I sound all superior, too, because I know a lot about exercise and food - music just happens to be ChiliD's area of expertise, he knows about music - so like anyone his opinions in his area of expertise may come off stronger and more arrogant. No big.

Which, IMO, is to be expected, and doesn't at all mean anyone has to agree with him. Or even take his opinion as a seasoned musician. Not at all. I'm not sure I've ever agreed with Chili (except for TP's kick ass rendition of Oh Well)

But nevertheless that will be his perspective, because that is who he is, and where his opinion comes from.

In short version, I think anyone can think anyone else is an a-hole, or wrong, but I never really think it is disrespectful for someone to voice their opinion. Or, maybe I do, but I try to realize that I can't call someone out for their opinion, no matter how "disrespectful" I think it is. Obviously, you can tell when people come from a place of malice, without consideration of the actual work, and I don't think that is the case here.

But also, I think you can call him out, if that is your opinion. I just don't agree with the reasons you posted for your disagreement. :p I don't think any artist should ever be spared someone's real opinion because you are trying to be respectful. But I do think much, much, criticism about artists is wrong, wrong. Like, the critics who skewer Stevie - I know they don't know what I know, but I can only just say they are a-holes who don't know, and chalk it up to that. Calling them "disrespectful" is like coercing someone to like you when they don't, just because you are famous, or whatever. You can be talented and famous till the world ends, it doesn't still mean everyone will like you, or see that. It's a cryin' shame, but it's true.

I would never spare anyone out of pity, or trying to be respectful, because that shortchanges the artist as well as the listener. Any artist should never be immune to discussion and "criticism." Otherwise, where is the room to grow? It's not possible for any artist, or person, to be perfect all the time, is it? You, or I, might think they are perfect, but to actually expect everyone else to think they are perfect is odd and unattainable, and to label that disrespectful is tyrannical, IMO.

And god forbid, above all, please, no - that the artist themself is ever satisfied and think their work is perfect. Because that is when art dies, and parody and nostalgia take over what used to be art. And I think we all know what I mean by that. *Shudder*

It was nice to read what you said, though, haven't seen you round here. :wavey: I mean that, too. Sometimes people think I am being sarcastic when I am not, is why I'm double saying that it was a pleasure to read what you thought. It really was. lol.

*Also I may have to again agree with John Run. Twice in one day! Are you gay, John Run, or can I date you? lol*

And for the record, I bet ChiliD rocks. I know so, so, so many musician/singers who are far superior to what we hear but are not famous or recognized.
I long ago, like when I was 3, and my mom sang with her guitar, stopped judging music by its monetary or public success. I'd be a fool, and miss so many great things, If I had.

Okay but for reals in short:
To question ChiliD's opinion? - AWESOME!
To question ChiliD's musicianship having never heard him? - Lower than low, unfair, petty, etc. :p

S'okay, happens to the best of us. Or at least me. :laugh:
gar, I should probably erase the rest of that effluvium that I just wrote.

one could only hope....

[desertangel]

Well I was going to wait a few more days before posting this, but there would be no real reason. Not yet knowing if this CD had grow potential, in my original post I mentioned my feelings towards some songs could possibly change by next week. I can now safely say every cut stands on equal footing with me. In otherwords, there are no real weak points, at least none worth mentioning. I still favor some songs more than others, such as Under the Skin, Show You How and Down on Rodeo, but I think that's to be expected. This CD is mature, cohesive and grounded. As was the case with the early Fleetwood Mac catalog, I've approached Lindsey's solo work with caution because some songs don't hit me quite right in the beginning. What usually ends up happening in situations like that is the material ends up being favorite for years to come. I would imagine, as an artist, that grow potential would definitely be something worth striving for. Wonder how one achieves that in their work?

[xhector]

I received the CD yesterday, via Amazon..

This is an absolute beauty. A treasure, that will take me time to assimilate properly, but that i'm already enjoying every second of it. I see it as a BIG work, IMPORTANT in 2006, well at least for us it is. To me he’s a genious, what more I can say. His music takes me more far and more deep than any other music. I can say more superlatives, and so on. But hey I’m a fan :D


Oh, the two mini-criticisms i had before were completely wrong sillinesses. Now i see "It was you" is just a little fun song for his family (I imagine them singing it together and laughing and having an awesome time), and that he wants to share for our fun also. It has its space in this album. And the central photo has a meaning as well. So who will be the one to say it was no good what he done. :nod:

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Héctor
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[xhector]

I would imagine, as an artist, that grow potential would definitely be something worth striving for. Wonder how one achieves that in their work?

Hi desertangel.
I think this can not be planned, achieved deliberately (I'm going to write a song that people dislikes at first but loves it from 12th listen). In my opinion what happens with certain songs is the following:

The author works a lot on a song, and takes it further and further. The direction of the song is changed, and then changed again. Finally, it arrives to a state where only the creator's mind is able to understand its internal logic. So, at first listens by someone outside, it just sounds weird and it's difficult to receive. Because it's not that much like similar songs he's liked in the past. With more listens, the knots are slowly undoing and the listener can approximate better to the place intended by the author.

[Sarah]

(I imagine them singing it together and laughing and having an awesome time), and that he wants to share for our fun also.

i've been thinking that too, xhector.

it's fun to sing along with.

[desertangel]

Now i see "It was you" is just a little fun song for his family (I imagine them singing it together and laughing and having an awesome time), and that he wants to share for our fun also. It has its space in this album. And the central photo has a meaning as well. So who will be the one to say it was no good what he done. :nod:

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Héctor
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It Was You seems like a fun song to me too. Kind of along the lines of Not That Funny, but kinder. In fact, every time I listen to It Was You my mind wants to draw lines to John Lennon's Double Fantasy album... particularly the song Beautiful Boy and it's carribean feel.

[desertangel]

Hi desertangel.
I think this can not be planned, achieved deliberately (I'm going to write a song that people dislikes at first but loves it from 12th listen). In my opinion what happens with certain songs is the following:

The author works a lot on a song, and takes it further and further. The direction of the song is changed, and then changed again. Finally, it arrives to a state where only the creator's mind is able to understand its internal logic. So, at first listens by someone outside, it just sounds weird and it's difficult to receive. Because it's not that much like similar songs he's liked in the past. With more listens, the knots are slowly undoing and the listener can approximate better to the place intended by the author.

Nicely said. I actually spent a few minutes thinking about this subject today and the way you described the process had crossed my mind. It kinda makes those songs seem more special.

[AliP]

For those who ordered the CD via ticketmaster...how long did it take for you to get your CD? I ordered the CD two weeks ago when I got tickets and still haven't received it.

[shackin'up]

I find that a strange thing to say. It's a good song but his vocals are weak and strained. Doesn't even have any of his best guitar work either. I guess we all have opinions though. Then again, we all have arseholes too.

The fact that his vocals are strained is the beauty of it. I wouldn't call it weak, I call it vulnerable and sweet. I don't fockin' care if it has good-better-best guitarwork. It's the sweetness and vulnerability AND the fight between the pickin'lines and the vocallines that appeal to me. It's one of the strangest of the hook songs he recorded and my eyes wet everytime I hear it.

Enough reason to state that it's the best thing he ever recorded. In my humble arsehole, ofcourse.

[Carolina Girl]

For those who ordered the CD via ticketmaster...how long did it take for you to get your CD? I ordered the CD two weeks ago when I got tickets and still haven't received it.

I ordered my tickets and cd on September 7, and the cd arrived on Friday, October 6. The email notification of the presale had this info:

CD Orders processed on or prior to October 3, 2006 will be shipped within 3 days of album release. CD Orders processed after October 3, 2006 will be shipped within two (2) business days of purchase date.

[chiliD]

You're right Amber. I do understand the joy of making music. I simply think that in this case, ChiliD was using it as an excuse. My post was merely a call for humility from someone who is in no place to assume that the general Fleetwood Mac fan base who use this board - (people aside from his close friends and cronies) - would have any interest whatsoever in whatever music he makes.

Further to that, it doesnt matter how long he has been a fan - he was coming across as disrespectful in a thread where people where happily comparing likes/dislikes regarding a new album that has been so long awaited.

Put simply, this is a Lindsey Buckingham messageboard - it doesn't exist for anyone else to promote their own supposed virtues.


I think you're the one who's out of line. I wasn't promoting anything of my own. I really think you need to RE-read my post that seemed to offend ONLY you. I wasn't putting Lindsey down in any way, shape or form. I wasn't promoting ME, either. I was just stating a fact...and if you'll refer back, I was answering someone's question specifically TO me. :shrug:

Now, how you disrespected ME? That's a whole 'nother story. :mad:

And, this is in no way any kind of self-promotion, but I'd bet that if people DID hear my music (without KNOWING it was me, especially, so there'd be no bias), they'd like it. But, I certainly don't come here to promote MY stuff, I come here to talk about Fleetwood Mac and its members & ex-members...and some of the peripheral folks who've made a whole musical career out of their association with said folks. And, because I AM in "the Biz" I have a certain perspective that some people don't.

[desertangel]

The fact that his vocals are strained is the beauty of it. I wouldn't call it weak, I call it vulnerable and sweet. I don't fockin' care if it has good-better-best guitarwork. It's the sweetness and vulnerability AND the fight between the pickin'lines and the vocallines that appeal to me. It's one of the strangest of the hook songs he recorded and my eyes wet everytime I hear it.

Enough reason to state that it's the best thing he ever recorded. In my humble arsehole, ofcourse.

I've been contemplating the whole strained vocals thing... then this evening I was listenting to SYW. There are some songs on there where Lindsey clearly has excellent vocals. It made me wonder if they used some post-production pitch correction that is far superior to anything I've seen, which isn't much. I dunno - I have a co-worker who is in the process of setting up a pc-based recording studio and he's getting Pro Tools, which is what everyone seems to be using. I'll check out the pitch correction on that. But I digress, I agree that the strained and weak vocals were purposeful. There have been handfuls of artists thru the ages who jumped on the strained and out of tune vocal bandwagon just so the counterculture types would say "wow.. that's really different and so therefore it's really cool" - I read a book about Hendrix that said he wrote his dad and told him not to be upset over the vocals when he hears one of his records because it's the in thing to do, to sing lousy. I honestly believe it takes more effort for a good singer to sing lousy than it does a lousy singer to sing good. I don't believe Neil Young ever stopped singing lousy... he always has, always will. Same with Dylan. So... ya, I agree. It's cool and not because I'm counterculture... because it just is. That's all. :nod:

[tuigirl]

Well....I was lucky enough to be lent UTS this past week and I have to say...I'm really struggling with it. With me, it's all about that first listen, I either love it or don't love it (any LB song) and with this whole cd, I just can't get to grips with it at all.Yes, I've tried listening to it as a whole piece, but I really have problems with those whispery vocals, the words of the songs are really interesting, but it's the overdone vocals (with all that delay and stuff) that don't do it for me.I am a Go Insane/Tusk lover at heart and I can't wait till his "other" CD comes out (thank goodness for the GOS demos...) which I hope will make up for this one.I was thinking too, I wonder if this CD appeals more to the mid-life crisis man (as opposed to woman)? I discussed this idea with my UTS lender and thought that the reviews I'd read from some of the more musically minded Ledgies were from chaps possibly asking themselves the same things (as LB is in this CD, you know about life, where they're going, what theyv'e done etc.)Maybe thats the appeal of it for some people. maybe I don't want to get there yet, or maybe I've been thru my MLC ..I don't know, but what I do know, is UTS won't be in my Xmas stocking this year (and I can't wait till the "other" one arrives!!:blob2: )
On, another note briefly, I saw the Save me a place video and hear that he's doing some great songs on stage...fantastic, he looks and sounds fab.Good luck with the tour Lindsey.

[shackin'up]

Well....I was lucky enough to be lent UTS this past week and I have to say...I'm really struggling with it. With me, it's all about that first listen, I either love it or don't love it (any LB song) and with this whole cd, I just can't get to grips with it at all.Yes, I've tried listening to it as a whole piece, but I really have problems with those whispery vocals, the words of the songs are really interesting, but it's the overdone vocals (with all that delay and stuff) that don't do it for me.I am a Go Insane/Tusk lover at heart and I can't wait till his "other" CD comes out (thank goodness for the GOS demos...) which I hope will make up for this one.I was thinking too, I wonder if this CD appeals more to the mid-life crisis man (as opposed to woman)? I discussed this idea with my UTS lender and thought that the reviews I'd read from some of the more musically minded Ledgies were from chaps possibly asking themselves the same things (as LB is in this CD, you know about life, where they're going, what theyv'e done etc.)Maybe thats the appeal of it for some people. maybe I don't want to get there yet, or maybe I've been thru my MLC ..I don't know, but what I do know, is UTS won't be in my Xmas stocking this year (and I can't wait till the "other" one arrives!!:blob2: )
On, another note briefly, I saw the Save me a place video and hear that he's doing some great songs on stage...fantastic, he looks and sounds fab.Good luck with the tour Lindsey.


Well, maybe you're right. I'm 41 and at first listen I was totally struck by the whole feel of the album. Maybe it has something to do with MLC, although I tend to think I'm still very far away from that. :rolleyes: I mean he's 57! For cryin' out loud. But the whole hunger for reflection is something I can relate to, so maybe that's part of the attraction of UTS for me.:shrug:

[tuigirl]

Well, maybe you're right. I'm 41 and at first listen I was totally struck by the whole feel of the album. Maybe it has something to do with MLC, although I tend to think I'm still very far away from that. :rolleyes: I mean he's 57! For cryin' out loud. But the whole hunger for reflection is something I can relate to, so maybe that's part of the attraction of UTS for me.:shrug:

Aww..Gerald, see...this could be it.! I confess I did think of you and ChiliD and a couple of others and about how much you all say you like this CD (my UTS lender is younger than you and I think he's doing the same MLC thing, which is why it appeals to him).Maybe, LB has struck a chord here. I wonder what other Ledgies think? I wouldn't mind betting that maybe( this is guesswork on my part) some of the younger musically minded Ledgies are struggling with this CD..Seteca, whats your take on it, as a matter of interest? (hmmm..wonder if I can jolly him out of hiding?)

[shackin'up]

Well maybe it's a part of the attraction. On the other hand, the music is very gentle and touching. I'm basicly a rock-lover, but I've always wished Lindsey did an album stripped down and sparse, musically spoken. And now he's done it. Ofcourse the LB-way, so it's screwed up stripped down :laugh: . Gotta love the man for that. He even jokes with the expectations of his biggest fans.

[gypsysoul]

I hadn't even thought of this CD as appealing to people going through a mid life crisis!
I just love it the more I hear it because the melodies are, ahem, getting under my skin. As for the lyrics, they seem to mean different things to different people (as they should) so I don't think everyone is responding to a particular 'message' although that's what they might get from it.

[shackin'up]

I hadn't even thought of this CD as appealing to people going through a mid life crisis!
I just love it the more I hear it because the melodies are, ahem, getting under my skin. As for the lyrics, they seem to mean different things to different people (as they should) so I don't think everyone is responding to a particular 'message' although that's what they might get from it.

true, It would be ridiculous to think this album only appeals to males in a midlifecrisis. I'm not in such a crisis, so there. Strandinthewind doesnot like the album that much so there goes our theory!:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[strandinthewind]

true, It would be ridiculous to think this album only appeals to males in a midlifecrisis. I'm not in such a crisis, so there. Strandinthewind doesnot like the album that much so there goes our theory!:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Hey there :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[xhector]

IMO this is the surface of the album (whispery vocals, loud electronic fx, fewer elements than before..). Once you don’t have a problem with that you’ll be able to let the music say things to you –eer get it under the skin :) . A lot more things actually than if this album was “correctly sung”, “correctly produced”, and talked about usual nonsenses, like the 95% (98%? :D) of the rest of today’s music. Lindsey has done it personal, and just said what he felt the need to say today, with not much ties to how one is supposed to do things.

But this is part of what “rock & roll” is: the first Velvet Underground album and its hypnotic two chord songs, Beach Boys’ Pet Sounds talking about intimate weaknesses for the first time and exploring new sonorities, or Kraftwerk’s refusal to use traditional (non electronic) instruments and having to invent new technologies from scratch: not doing the things as you’re supposed to.

In this album, Lindsey talks about his life and most of all about his family, puts family photos in the booklet and family videos in the web as if they were “his band”, sings with the heart in a nude and crude way without caring if it sounds “normal” or polite, plays the guitar with virtuosism but lets get in an error or two without problems, and plays with his favourite effect machines as if they were just another instrument. He invents, takes risks, is still a transgressor, but is not talking about drugs or sex or politics, only about his family and new life, and his own career. Why not? These are the things that matter to him today.

I mean, who liked and fully understood Tusk musically at first listen? :confused: Certainly not me, it was a slow process to let the most riskier songs grow to understand it was something valuable. Today I can appreciate Lindsey’s new work in less time, because after all this years I think I can connect better with his methods (and learn from them all the time, music and production being also part of my life) and changes of direction. Although it’s been a progressive process, with the leaking demos.. and culminating in listening the actual cd in its full quality (mp3 can’t make justice to this work, you loose lots of nuances).

In a way, I think I love Lindsey’s work for very different reasons I love Stevie’s. I totally understand, of course, that someone can like her, or the band, and not Lindsey, or the other way round. It’s fascinating overall: part of Lindsey’s “failure” as a solo artist is that his potential audience is different of FM’s. And every audience type has its prejudices, so it's difficult to fit anywhere.

After all the bla, bla, bla.. I think there’s only one way: you put the CD, and it says and makes you feel things to you, or not. If you respected the artist before, you can give it more time with more listens (to break its surface) before making a judgement. If it still doesn’t, yes, maybe you can try in another time in your life. Personally, as I said before, this album is a treasure (and will defend it to death if necessary :laugh: )

[Peestie]

Hmmm, well I'm 18 and love the album but I hope I'm not going through a midlife crisis! lol

[shackin'up]

IMO this is the surface of the album (whispery vocals, loud electronic fx, fewer elements than before..). Once you don’t have a problem with that you’ll be able to let the music say things to you –eer get it under the skin :) . A lot more things actually than if this album was “correctly sung”, “correctly produced”, and talked about usual nonsenses, like the 95% (98%? :D) of the rest of today’s music. Lindsey has done it personal, and just said what he felt the need to say today, with not much ties to how one is supposed to do things.

But this is part of what “rock & roll” is: the first Velvet Underground album and its hypnotic two chord songs, Beach Boys’ Pet Sounds talking about intimate weaknesses for the first time and exploring new sonorities, or Kraftwerk’s refusal to use traditional (non electronic) instruments and having to invent new technologies from scratch: not doing the things as you’re supposed to.

In this album, Lindsey talks about his life and most of all about his family, puts family photos in the booklet and family videos in the web as if they were “his band”, sings with the heart in a nude and crude way without caring if it sounds “normal” or polite, plays the guitar with virtuosism but lets get in an error or two without problems, and plays with his favourite effect machines as if they were just another instrument. He invents, takes risks, is still a transgressor, but is not talking about drugs or sex or politics, only about his family and new life, and his own career. Why not? These are the things that matter to him today.

I mean, who liked and fully understood Tusk musically at first listen? :confused: Certainly not me, it was a slow process to let the most riskier songs grow to understand it was something valuable. Today I can appreciate Lindsey’s new work in less time, because after all this years I think I can connect better with his methods (and learn from them all the time, music and production being also part of my life) and changes of direction. Although it’s been a progressive process, with the leaking demos.. and culminating in listening the actual cd in its full quality (mp3 can’t make justice to this work, you loose lots of nuances).

In a way, I think I love Lindsey’s work for very different reasons I love Stevie’s. I totally understand, of course, that someone can like her, or the band, and not Lindsey, or the other way round. It’s fascinating overall: part of Lindsey’s “failure” as a solo artist is that his potential audience is different of FM’s. And every audience type has its prejudices, so it's difficult to fit anywhere.

After all the bla, bla, bla.. I think there’s only one way: you put the CD, and it says and makes you feel things to you, or not. If you respected the artist before, you can give it more time with more listens (to break its surface) before making a judgement. If it still doesn’t, yes, maybe you can try in another time in your life. Personally, as I said before, this album is a treasure (and will defend it to death if necessary :laugh: )

My man!! I can't get much closer to total agreement here.

[Sarah]

IMO this is the surface of the album (whispery vocals, loud electronic fx, fewer elements than before..). Once you don’t have a problem with that you’ll be able to let the music say things to you –eer get it under the skin :) . A lot more things actually than if this album was “correctly sung”, “correctly produced”, and talked about usual nonsenses, like the 95% (98%? :D) of the rest of today’s music. Lindsey has done it personal, and just said what he felt the need to say today, with not much ties to how one is supposed to do things.

But this is part of what “rock & roll” is: the first Velvet Underground album and its hypnotic two chord songs, Beach Boys’ Pet Sounds talking about intimate weaknesses for the first time and exploring new sonorities, or Kraftwerk’s refusal to use traditional (non electronic) instruments and having to invent new technologies from scratch: not doing the things as you’re supposed to.

In this album, Lindsey talks about his life and most of all about his family, puts family photos in the booklet and family videos in the web as if they were “his band”, sings with the heart in a nude and crude way without caring if it sounds “normal” or polite, plays the guitar with virtuosism but lets get in an error or two without problems, and plays with his favourite effect machines as if they were just another instrument. He invents, takes risks, is still a transgressor, but is not talking about drugs or sex or politics, only about his family and new life, and his own career. Why not? These are the things that matter to him today.

I mean, who liked and fully understood Tusk musically at first listen? :confused: Certainly not me, it was a slow process to let the most riskier songs grow to understand it was something valuable. Today I can appreciate Lindsey’s new work in less time, because after all this years I think I can connect better with his methods (and learn from them all the time, music and production being also part of my life) and changes of direction. Although it’s been a progressive process, with the leaking demos.. and culminating in listening the actual cd in its full quality (mp3 can’t make justice to this work, you loose lots of nuances).

In a way, I think I love Lindsey’s work for very different reasons I love Stevie’s. I totally understand, of course, that someone can like her, or the band, and not Lindsey, or the other way round. It’s fascinating overall: part of Lindsey’s “failure” as a solo artist is that his potential audience is different of FM’s. And every audience type has its prejudices, so it's difficult to fit anywhere.

After all the bla, bla, bla.. I think there’s only one way: you put the CD, and it says and makes you feel things to you, or not. If you respected the artist before, you can give it more time with more listens (to break its surface) before making a judgement. If it still doesn’t, yes, maybe you can try in another time in your life. Personally, as I said before, this album is a treasure (and will defend it to death if necessary :laugh: )

I can't really add anything to this. When I first heard the disc.. hell, when I first heard Shut Us Down.. I knew it'd be hard for a lot of people to digest. But I'm like.. Lindsey to the core.. and it only took me a minute, thankfully.

[mylittledemon]

I finally got the album from Barnes and Noble...I have to say, I quite love it. I was surprised to find how much I like it, considering the mixed reviews here.

Not Too Late--great guitar parts
Show You How--Dont care for this one
Under the Skin--great guitar parts and great lyrics. I even like his voice on this one
I Am Waiting--the only flaw here is that Stevie's backing vocal is missing
It Was You--dont care for this one
Try For the Sun--GREAT song. Superb guitar. Love the lyrics and what they SEEM to say
Cast Away Dreams--very OOTC to me...I like it
Shut Us Down---not too bad
Down on Rodeo--my favorite I think, very FMac-ish
Somebody's Gotta Change Your Mind--like it
Flying Down Juniper--dont know why but this one made me cry. Twice.

[mylittledemon]

at the end of Down on Rodeo does Lindsey say "Can you hear me Annie?" If so, what the hell does that mean? And who is Annie?

[stefan]

Some songs from the GOS material are reported to refer to Anne Heche. LB stated that Come was about her, so I guess DOR is too.