Republican Foley Resigns House Seat Over Allegations Of Sexual Harrassment [Archive]

irishgrl

09-29-2006, 03:21 PM

Republican Foley resigns House seat By John Whitesides, Political Correspondent

Six-term Republican Rep. Mark Foley (news, bio, voting record) of Florida resigned from the U.S. Congress on Friday following reports he sent sexually inappropriate e-mails to underage congressional interns.
Foley, chairman of the House caucus on missing and exploited children, said he would resign immediately after ABC News reported he sent messages to current and former congressional pages with repeated references to sexual organs and acts.

"Today I have delivered a letter to the Speaker of the House informing him of my decision to resign from the U.S. House of Representatives, effective today," Foley said in a statement.

"I am deeply sorry and I apologize for letting down my family and the people of Florida I have had the privilege to represent."

Foley's decision to resign just five weeks before the November 7 congressional election complicated Republican efforts to retain control of the House of Representatives. Democrats must pick up 15 seats to reclaim a House majority.

Lawyers from both parties were examining Florida election laws to see if his name can be removed from the ballot in his Republican-leaning district, party sources said, but it might be too late.

Foley won re-election in 2004 with 68 percent of the vote and was favored to win in November over Democrat Tim Mahoney, a self-funding financial officer. President George W. Bush carried the district with 54 percent of the vote.

Foley was the author of the key sexual predator provisions of the Adam Walsh Child Protection and Safety Act of 2006, :eek: :eek: which Bush signed in July.

(I guess it takes one to know one eh?)

Foley, who represents a district in southern Florida, also was a member of the powerful House Ways and Means Committee, which oversees tax and trade policy.

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ELIUD

09-29-2006, 04:45 PM

Mmm. Yummy. Love that republican hypocrisy.

estranged4life

09-29-2006, 04:54 PM

another wolf in sheep's clothing.

DavidMn

09-30-2006, 02:22 AM

:laugh: I guffawed loudly when I read this...:laugh:

mikeschmike

10-01-2006, 08:18 AM

This guy is gross. Not only is he a disgusting hyocritical pedophile, he broke the "don't **** where you eat" rule .

Seriously though, good job on busting this guy. I'm glad he won't be here at the convention seducing kids on the internet.

Nixxxed

10-01-2006, 02:52 PM

This is going to get really nasty this week now that it's been revealed the Republican House leadership has known about this for nearly a year.

I saw a R strategist on TV this morning saying the public should "wait until a proper investigation is conducted" before forming an opinion. Do you think he means the investigation that should have been (and never was) started a year ago????????????????????????

irishgrl

10-01-2006, 05:41 PM

no, what he's really saying is: "Folks ignore this when you go to the voting booth" :nod: :nod: :nod:

Rickypt

10-02-2006, 11:33 AM

I see Foley is checking himself into rehab for alcoholism. Not to downplay alcoholism, and I don't doubt he has a problem, but has anyone noticed that often when a politician gets busted for something, they say they are an alcoholic and go into rehab?

That's what one of the guys who was nailed in the Abramoff scandal did (Rep. Ney, I think).

So far, Foley has not admitted that what he did was wrong. He has tried to claim that the emails weren't that big a deal and now he's saying he's an alcoholic. But I haven't read anything that acknowledges the severity of what he did, nor has he apologized to the boy.

On another note, did he really think he'd never get caught? It amazes me that an elected representative would do something like this that has an obvious paper trail.

strandinthewind

10-02-2006, 11:46 AM

And - now he's claiming the liquor made him do it :rolleyes: Maybe he'll say "sugar tits" too :rolleyes:

Also and for the record, a pedophile is someone who likes pre pubescent kids, not 16 year olds. In fact, in some states 16 is the age of consent. So, there is a big difference between inappropriate behaviour and illegal behaviour here and assuming it was consensual.

Also, does anyone get the feeling that the parents sold out by not pursuing this? I mean if it had been a D that did it, maybe they would have. If so, that is just sick.

Livia

10-02-2006, 11:55 AM

IM transcripts:

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/print?id=2509586

Rickypt

10-02-2006, 12:24 PM

Nixxxed

10-02-2006, 12:47 PM

I think it's pretty clear why the parents didn't pursue this. This is pretty humiliating for their son, given that he played along in the IM and we all now know his fetishes and size. Why on earth did this get printed in the media? Even if you take out the boy's IM handle, his friends are going to know it's him.

I expected something completely different, like a bunch of harassing questions from Foley and silence from the boy.
It may have been silence in the beginning - it's not clear from the emails/IMs already published when they occurred, and how long the exchange had been happening. It may very well be that the student was wary at first, and was slowly lured into giving more info, etc. - a basic pattern of predator behavior.

ABC just posted more - the page seems more wary in this set...

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2006/10/emails_show_fol.html

Also, I read elsewhere that the 2001-2002 page class was warned about Foley and his behavior.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2006/10/gop_staff_warne.html

BombaySapphire3

10-02-2006, 02:23 PM

Like many politicians Foley appears to be an entitled sociopath.Judging from the IMS he may be telling the truth about being alcoholic ..either that or he is an illiterate.

mikeschmike

10-02-2006, 02:53 PM

IM transcripts:

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/print?id=2509586

Eeew. That grosses me out in a big big way.

strandinthewind

10-02-2006, 03:54 PM

What is intersting is the pages seem interested in him sexually. If I am not mistaken, these are almost eighteen uear old teenagers. I knew what I was doing then and everyone I knew knew as well - and I do not come from a big city. So, I guess these kids are gay or curious. I get that Foley was in a position of power, their employer, etc. - but I wonder how much of the interlude (even written) was consenual. Again, in some states (CT comes to mind) the age of consent is 16 :shrug: I posit this only as a matter of curiosity and not in approval in any way of Foley.

DrummerDeanna

10-02-2006, 04:34 PM

Holy Crap!! Those transcripts are something else!! And yeah - a 16 year old kid may know what he/she is doing/saying - but this is still HIGHLY innapropriate---for a grown elected official to go along with it. It's just gross and even if 16 is still the age of consent in some states - that's still too young and for a man of Foley's age - I'm sorry but it's just sick.

sparky

10-02-2006, 05:54 PM

This is rich. Highly entertaining. I did far worse at 16. But not with an elected official old enough to be my father. And certainly not with a republican.:lol:

SuzeQuze

10-02-2006, 06:08 PM

I think if you were a parent you would find this particularly horrifying. I don't think that you would think your 16 year old boy was mature enough to consent to anything sexual with a middle-aged man, especially one in such a position of power who would yield great influence over your child. Boys can become very confused after a liason with an adult, just as girls can. It can make them depressed, etc. It was just wrong and Foley is 100% to blame given his age and position. Sixteen is still such a young, immature age, they're really still just boys not men.

AliceLover

10-02-2006, 06:14 PM

I think its awful that he pushed for a law to make sexual offenders suffer more in prison. Or something to that effect.

strandinthewind

10-02-2006, 06:16 PM

sparky

10-02-2006, 06:32 PM

Are you kidding me - at 16-18 (the range here) love is an erection :laugh:

And it isn't at 50 ? LOL.

Girls are so different :cool:

That's the truth.

markolas

10-02-2006, 07:38 PM

Holy Crap!! Those transcripts are something else!!

Setting aside the fact that he's chatting with a 16-year old, the transcript she posted was really, really tame. :shrug:

Half the people in my family were married by the time they were 16, so I think there might be a slight overreaction here. Still, knowing how nutty people are about anything that even looks like sexual harrassment (and saying that an adult who has a mildly erotic conversation with a 16-year old is a pedophile is really pushing it, IMO)...it was a really, really stupid thing for this guy to do.

Oh, god, and I love how ABC has this disclaimer in all caps "READER DISCRETION IS ADVISED. OMG, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT SEX, HIDE YOUR VIRGIN EYES!"

Sugar

10-03-2006, 10:13 AM

Holy Crap!! Those transcripts are something else!! And yeah - a 16 year old kid may know what he/she is doing/saying - but this is still HIGHLY innapropriate---

Absolutely. And what keeps on occurring to me is that while a 16-year old may talk a good game, IMO he/she is really still too young to fully understand the repurcussions of acting on things like this. I mean, when I was 16 I remember getting into sexual conversations with people and the LAST thing I wanted to let on was that I wasn't a woman of the world. I would have never let on that anything anyone said surprised, offended, or intimidated me. I don't think this kid's...shall we say bravado...should be used against him.

Or maybe girls are just different...:laugh:

ELIUD

10-03-2006, 12:24 PM

strandinthewind

10-03-2006, 12:32 PM

strandinthewind

10-03-2006, 12:34 PM

I don't care how horny a 16 year-old can be or what the age of consent is in Washington. What Foley did is illegal, hypocritical, and predatory. This is karma coming back to bite the replubican party in the ass for the way they went after Clinton.

And it's shocking to listen to those conservative talkshow hosts defend the congressman and blame the teenager like so many are doing.

If the age of consent is 16 and it was consenual - there is no illegal activity unless there is some law I do not know of that makes it illegal for an employer to seduce an employee (note -- I am unsure the employer/employee relationshp would exist here as Foley did not employee these pages, etc. )

Again, I am speaking only to the illegality -- not the morality. Moreover, I think Foloey was wrong for doing this and in states where the age of consent is 18, what he did was illegal.

The far more pressing question though, is the cover up :nod:

sparky

10-03-2006, 01:03 PM

Put it this way, every single 16 year old guy I knew, including myself, would have given their eyeteeth to have been seduced by a 20 something year old college girl or even a hot 30 something year old. Again, guys are just different when it somes to that it seems.

Completely different. Of course, this is a great scandal because it involves a politician. It is taken to another level entirely by the party of the politican in question, and laced with further irony by his own particular projects (child protection issues). He's an idiot, and he acted rashly and without regard for his own reputation or the general well being of the young man or men involved.
That being said, Strand is right. Horny young men are horny young men. Are they mature enough to deal with the repercussions of their sexual behavior ? Of course not. Did most of us did it anyway ? Absolutely. Like Markolas said, lots of people were married at 16 just one or two generations ago. Hell, at the turn of the century, it was not uncommon for girls to be married and pregnant at 14. It didn't kill them. It was accepted and people dealt with it. I doubt it was ideal, but even though things have changed, it just shows how society shifts.
It has also shifted in terms of hysteria over sexuality in general. It is preposterous to call this guy a pedophile. 16 year old males are not going to be scarred for life by sexual contact. There's a strange between the lines assumption in much of the reaction to this situation that implies that the 16 year old is somehow going to be influenced by such an incident. As if his sexuality might be "changed" or somehow altered. That is disturbing. It speaks about an underlying belief that males under a certain age can have their sexuality switched over by sex with another man. That they can be recruited or something, which is patently ridiculous. But, people have grown increasingly uptight about sex these days, even as society has become immersed in it in every aspect of our media. Perhaps because of it.
The truth is we are all sexual beings. From birth. People either forget that or block it out. The resulting squeamishness about the whole thing is curious and borders on a pathology that has taken on a life completely different from the real concern about the sexual irresponsibility of politicians. It says something about our inherent paranoia and fear about sex in general. It's a puzzling development.

strandinthewind

10-03-2006, 01:08 PM

^^^^^

I agree.

cliffdweller

10-03-2006, 01:32 PM

Completely different. Of course, this is a great scandal because it involves a politician. It is taken to another level entirely by the party of the politican in question, and laced with further irony by his own particular projects (child protection issues). He's an idiot, and he acted rashly and without regard for his own reputation or the general well being of the young man or men involved.
That being said, Strand is right. Horny young men are horny young men. Are they mature enough to deal with the repercussions of their sexual behavior ? Of course not. Did most of us did it anyway ? Absolutely. Like Markolas said, lots of people were married at 16 just one or two generations ago. Hell, at the turn of the century, it was not uncommon for girls to be married and pregnant at 14. It didn't kill them. It was accepted and people dealt with it. I doubt it was ideal, but even though things have changed, it just shows how society shifts.
It has also shifted in terms of hysteria over sexuality in general. It is preposterous to call this guy a pedophile. 16 year old males are not going to be scarred for life by sexual contact. There's a strange between the lines assumption in much of the reaction to this situation that implies that the 16 year old is somehow going to be influenced by such an incident. As if his sexuality might be "changed" or somehow altered. That is disturbing. It speaks about an underlying belief that males under a certain age can have their sexuality switched over by sex with another man. That they can be recruited or something, which is patently ridiculous. But, people have grown increasingly uptight about sex these days, even as society has become immersed in it in every aspect of our media. Perhaps because of it.
The truth is we are all sexual beings. From birth. People either forget that or block it out. The resulting squeamishness about the whole thing is curious and borders on a pathology that has taken on a life completely different from the real concern about the sexual irresponsibility of politicians. It says something about our inherent paranoia and fear about sex in general. It's a puzzling development.

No, what it really comes down to is ethos. This guy is an elected official in our government and he's ****ing around with kids on the internet! Have some ****ing couth man! (Foley, not you Sparky). I get what you're saying about sexuality and how we in the U.S. are very puritanical in our views of it, but come on! This guy has no credibility whatsoever now, he is a hypocrite of the worst order! I think THAT'S where most of the outrage is coming from; he's an elected official who is supposed to be protecting children, not exploiting them. The irony is deafening. And to get caught up in a ridiculous debate about "sexuality" is missing the point, not to mention that the Republicans would LOVE that red herring in order to sweep this stuff under the rug. Let's call a spade a spade and cut the bull****.

strandinthewind

10-03-2006, 01:39 PM

I think Sparky's point was that this man is not a pedophile. A pedophile is defined as someone who wants to have sex with, touch, etc., a person whose sexual organs have not yet developed. The purpose is for control and domination, not sexual pleasure per se - though that could be a side effect. Thus, pedophilia really is its own sexuality of it must be termed in that way - though I think it is not sexuality at all as it is all about the control, etc.

Folely, on the other hand, solicited apparently consenual interludes with post pubescent boys. So, this cannot be pedophilia.

Did he do it for control or for sexual pleasure despite it not being pedophilia? Who can say for sure. In the end though, it was wrong for him to seduce a person in his pseudo employ no matter how willing or what age they were. Moreover, that the R's in power knew of this and did nothing about it will ruin them in the end.

I also think that though I hate it to be this way, that he solicited tennage boys is FAR more damning to the far right wingers than if he had solicitied teenage girls. A backward salute to gay bashing if you will.

markolas

10-03-2006, 01:43 PM

Like Markolas said, lots of people were married at 16 just one or two generations ago. Hell, at the turn of the century, it was not uncommon for girls to be married and pregnant at 14.

My great grandmother was married at 13. Of course, she and my great grandfather were from the hills of North Carolina, made moonshine, and he did shoot and kill her several decades later (for which he served prison time). So maybe they're not such great examples. :shrug: :laugh:

strandinthewind

10-03-2006, 01:47 PM

My great grandmother was married at 13. Of course, she and my great grandfather were from the hills of North Carolina, made moonshine, and he did shoot and kill her several decades later (for which he served prison time). So maybe they're not such great examples. :shrug: :laugh:

You MUST write a book on your family!!!!!!!!

It will make Deliverance look tame :eek: :laugh:

cliffdweller

10-03-2006, 01:48 PM

I think Sparky's point was that this man is not a pedophile. A pedophile is defined as someone who wants to have sex with, touch, etc. the a person whose sexual organs have not yet developed. The purpose is for control and domination, not sexual pleasure per se - though that could be a side effect. Thus, pedophilia really is its own sexuality of it must be termed in that way - though I think it is not sexuality at all as it is all about the control, etc.

Folely, on the other hand, solicited apparently consenual interludes with post pubescent boys. So, this cannot be pedophilia.

Did he do it for control or for sexual pleasure? Who can say for sure. In the end though, it was wrong for him to seduce a person in his pseudo employ no matter how willing or what age they were.

And I'm saying that this is sort of beside the point. This is just not how an elected official should be acting plain and simple, and he CERTAINLY should not be cavorting with this kid on the internet of all ****ing things. It's almost like he WANTED to get caught. Apparently he doesn't understand the publicness of online chatting, but whatever, he's an idiot douchebag so what can I really expect? :shrug:

I think getting sidetracked with a discussion about teenage sexuality is veering off of the point and relieving this guy of any and all responsibility for his actions. Because he did **** up. Oh yes, he did. And again, ethos. This guy has lost every ounce of credibility he may have had. He's ruined. He's an idiot. What more can I say?

strandinthewind

10-03-2006, 01:51 PM

^^^

and I think sadly that this was because it was boys and that if it had been girls, the heat would be less - but still there obviously.

irishgrl

10-03-2006, 01:51 PM

No, what it really comes down to is ethos. This guy is an elected official in our government and he's ****ing around with kids on the internet! Have some ****ing couth man! (Foley, not you Sparky). I get what you're saying about sexuality and how we in the U.S. are very puritanical in our views of it, but come on! This guy has no credibility whatsoever now, he is a hypocrite of the worst order! I think THAT'S where most of the outrage is coming from; he's an elected official who is supposed to be protecting children, not exploiting them. The irony is deafening. And to get caught up in a ridiculous debate about "sexuality" is missing the point, not to mention that the Republicans would LOVE that red herring in order to sweep this stuff under the rug. Let's call a spade a spade and cut the bull****.

Clinton underwent Impeachment proceedings for having consensual sex with an ADULT for cripes sake! This incident just PROVES there is a double standard......

markolas

10-03-2006, 01:56 PM

You MUST write a book on your family!!!!!!!!

It will make Deliverance look tame :eek: :laugh:

You know, I really should. Nobody would believe it was a true story. Thankfully, most of it took place before I was born. :o

sparky

10-03-2006, 01:56 PM

No, what it really comes down to is ethos. This guy is an elected official in our government and he's ****ing around with kids on the internet!

He has few ethics. no doubt about that. I don't particularly agree that a 16 year is a kid, however.

I get what you're saying about sexuality and how we in the U.S. are very puritanical in our views of it, but come on! This guy has no credibility whatsoever now, he is a hypocrite of the worst order!

Of course he is a hypocrite.

I think THAT'S where most of the outrage is coming from; he's an elected official who is supposed to be protecting children, not exploiting them.

Oh, I think the "outrage" is something else. Of course the media is jumping on it because it is salacious. It's about going after a hypocrite. A hypocrite in terms of ethics and morals.

And to get caught up in a ridiculous debate about "sexuality" is missing the point, not to mention that the Republicans would LOVE that red herring in order to sweep this stuff under the rug. Let's call a spade a spade and cut the bull****.

Au contraire. This is ALL about sex. If it was about business, the silence would be deafening, and his party would be making excuses all the way to the campaign financing. Washington scandals, the good ones, the ones that ruin careers and generate headlines, are all about sex in this age. I believe that our hangups about sex are at the root of all this, quite frankly. The hypocrisy is the merely the backdrop. You want to call a spade a spade - I will. All politicians are hypocrites. They're all for sale, and they are all on a sliding scale of moral and ethical bankruptcy. Every last one. Our system insures that this is the case. The only time the media or any of us gets truly wound up is if there is an erection involved. Or god forbid, TWO of them.

strandinthewind

10-03-2006, 02:02 PM

Clinton underwent Impeachment proceedings for having consensual sex with an ADULT for cripes sake! This incident just PROVES there is a double standard......

Well, Foley quit - or he surely would have had the same treatment - though the R's apparently knew about it and did nothing - though this has yet to be proven, etc. if so, Hassert is gone for good.

markolas

10-03-2006, 02:04 PM

It will make Deliverance look tame :eek: :laugh:

I think it would be more like "Dallas," only several rungs down on the socio-economic ladder.

cliffdweller

10-03-2006, 02:07 PM

You want to call a spade a spade - I will. All politicians are hypocrites. They're all for sale, and they are all on a sliding scale or moral and ethical bankruptcy. Every last one. Our system insures that this is the case. The only time the media or any of us gets truly wound up is if there is an erection involved. Or god forbid, TWO of them.

You'll get no argument from me there ;)

SuzeQuze

10-03-2006, 02:11 PM

From age 11 - 17 teenagers brains are still developing in the ability to think through consequences.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/teenbrain/interviews/todd.html

I'm conservative about the age of consent and think it is 18 period. I concede it is different if two teens decide to be sexual with one another. But if an adult is involved the power is way out of balance and the adult should know better. And yes I get that men are different, oh lord do I get it. Here's an article though about how teen boys can be negatively impacted emotionally when molested.

"Gartner says victimized boys have trouble developing age-appropriate relationships. He says they are more likely as adults to suffer depression, anxiety, drug addiction and resort to pornography and one-night stands."
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-11-29-women-sex-crimes_x.htm

I think strand and sparky, you're perhaps looking back and remembering with your more adult emotional stability and maybe not being 100% honest with yourselves about the emotional impact this could have on a boy. Sorry if I'm off base. I also suspect if you were the parent of a 16-year-old boy you'd be pretty horrified by the knowledge he was chatting this way with a 54 year old resmuglican. You might even barf! :eek:

Strand, it appears you're partly right about the definition of pedophilia, legally it is sexual activity with someone under 18 but psychologically it is with one under 13, or pre-pubescent.

http://www.healthline.com/galecontent/pedophilia?utm_term=pedophilia&utm_medium=mw&utm_campaign=article

This just in, he had online sex with one of these boys according to Ed Schultz.

strandinthewind

10-03-2006, 02:12 PM

. . . Au contraire. This is ALL about sex. If it was about business, the silence would be deafening, and his party would be making excuses all the way to the campaign financing. Washington scandals, the good ones, the ones that ruin careers and generate headlines, are all about sex in this age. I believe that our hangups about sex are at the root of all this, quite frankly. The hypocrisy is the merely the backdrop. You want to call a spade a spade - I will. All politicians are hypocrites. They're all for sale, and they are all on a sliding scale or moral and ethical bankruptcy. Every last one. Our system insures that this is the case. The only time the media or any of us gets truly wound up is if there is an erection involved. Or god forbid, TWO of them.

Exactly - I mean war for no good reason wasn't good enough but trying to get a hummer from a sixteen year old hottie on your staff is - go figure

Or god forbid, TWO of them.

I'm getting one now - thank goodness you are older than I am and I passed the age of censent long ago :cool:

sparky

10-03-2006, 02:13 PM

Apparently he doesn't understand the publicness of online chatting, but whatever, he's an idiot douchebag so what can I really expect? :shrug:

Complete idiot. Total douchbag. And in a "treatment center". Expect a very public apology. Expect clergy to be involved.

I think getting sidetracked with a discussion about teenage sexuality is veering off of the point and relieving this guy of any and all responsibility for his actions.

I don't think it relieves him of any resposibility to talk about sexuality. That aspect is one of the only interesting parts of the entire story. Criminal politicians are not remotely rare or noteworthy. They almost all get away with it anyway. Our focus on sex as a culture is what is making this story get attention. My interest in the teenage sexuality angle is that I don't agree with the popular assertion that he is a pedophile or was molesting anyone. I think that language is being used to up the sensational aspect of the story and is a reflection of our warped view of sex. That's about the only asepct of this thing that is worth discussing. The rest is Washington business as usual.

strandinthewind

10-03-2006, 02:13 PM

I think it would be more like "Dallas," only several rungs down on the socio-economic ladder.

You're playing the Charlene Tilton character and I, of course, am J.R.

strandinthewind

10-03-2006, 02:17 PM

SuzeQuze

10-03-2006, 02:19 PM

Complete idiot. Total douchbag. And in a "treatment center". Expect a very public apology. Expect clergy to be involved.

I don't think it relieves him of any resposibility to talk about sexuality. That aspect is one of the only interesting parts of the entire story. Criminal politicians are not remotely rare or noteworthy. They almost all get away with it anyway. Our focus on sex as a culture is what is making this story get attention. My interest in the teenage sexuality angle is that I don't agree with the popular assertion that he is a pedophile or was molesting anyone. I think that language is being used to up the sensational aspect of the story and is a reflection of our warped view of sex. That's about the only asepct of this thing that is worth discussing. The rest is Washington business as usual.

While it may not technically be pedophilia he appears to exclusively go after teen boys. That is weird, why no relationships with men? Also, a 16 year old is very much a child. I suspect you had to be a grown up earlier than a child should have to be. That I can relate to. That said, I agree that we are very twisted about sexuality. I think every adult has looked at a teen and then been like, "oh snap, he/she is just a kid!" Woops. :lol: Like this kid at my gym, I saw the body first, then the boy's face. :eek: Their bodies do not look like those of children. But their minds are still not adult by any stretch.

strandinthewind

10-03-2006, 02:23 PM

strandinthewind

10-03-2006, 02:24 PM

While it may not technically be pedophilia he appears to exclusively go after teen boys . . . .

That is because he is gay and not a pedpohile.

As for other relationships with men say 21 and older, we do not know that for sure -- or at least I missed that report.

strandinthewind

10-03-2006, 02:28 PM

From cnn.com

Former Rep. Mark Foley allegedly interrupted a vote on the House floor in 2003 to engage in cyber-sex with a former page, ABC News reports.

strandinthewind

10-03-2006, 02:30 PM

AND ANOTHER THING :laugh:

Why the fook do they have pages anyway. I mean every few years one or some of them get their weenies wanked or ginies rubbed and all hell breaks loose. I say its time to end the fukcing program or arrest parents who let their kids participate on charges of child abuse.

sparky

10-03-2006, 02:31 PM

You're playing the Charlene Tilton character and I, of course, am J.R.

I am lobbying for the part of Bobby. For the record, I think you could also understudy Sue Ellen. Though I think Livia probably has to be cast initially.

SuzeQuze

10-03-2006, 02:35 PM

Foley is not even hot! ;) I get where you're coming from. But kids wanting sex with an adult isn't relevent because they don't even have the ability yet to think through consequences! (broken marriages, ruined reputations, social issues, etc.) But you would have had to read what I posted to get that.

That hot blonde teacher argued that the kid wanted it. I'm sure his mother loved that. He's just a kid, doesn't house himself, clothe himself etc. He's still so dependent on his parents at 16. Perhaps that wasn't the case 100 years ago. We are no longer in those times. You can't just go build another house on your family's acreage at 16, at least most of us can't. How can we protect our kids if people don't even see this as a problem?

SuzeQuze

10-03-2006, 02:36 PM

That is because he is gay and not a pedpohile.

As for other relationships with men say 21 and older, we do not know that for sure -- or at least I missed that report.

Well, I'm jumping to a conculsion there but I suspect I am right. We'll see.

strandinthewind

10-03-2006, 02:39 PM

I am lobbying for the part of Bobby. For the record, I think you could also understudy Sue Ellen. Though I think Livia probably has to be cast initially.

Yes, the lovely and talented Livia most assuredly is Sue Ellen.

Of course, with the right outfit, I'd make a great Miss Ellie (Barbara Bel Geddes) http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000895/

Rickypt

10-03-2006, 02:40 PM

I think we should a take a poll amongst the guys around here and see just how many would have readily consented and thoroughly enjoyed banging some hot older person when they were 16-18. I submit all will say they fantasized about it - or they are lying :laugh:

Seriously, I think it is just different with guys. Moreover, they guys in these IM's clearly were into Foley. I mean they were chatting with him and discussing sexual things in a sexual manner. So, they are gay - big wooo. Folely is still a heel for abusing his position of power.

I actively tried to pick up older guys from the age of 14 at shopping malls. :cool:

And never succeeded. :lol:

Strand, I largely agree with your arguments on this thread. There is no question that Foley has a big problem and acted in a very inappropriate and unethical manner. He is unfit to be an elected official and needs a lot of therapy.

However, he is not a pedophile and I think there has been an extreme overreaction around this country to this story.

Probably an unpopular opinion.

strandinthewind

10-03-2006, 02:47 PM

Again, you are talking about non consenual stuff (at someone is making or implying that) -- here, these guys from what I can see were down with the notion, no matter how gross that seems to us (I mean to each their own) -

But, I do see that some 16-18 year olds may not understand what they are doing, etc. I am just saying everyone I knew, including myself, knew exactly what they were doing and in fact coveted it.

SuzeQuze

10-03-2006, 02:52 PM

strandinthewind

10-03-2006, 03:01 PM

I got you. :) But have you seen Foley? :eek:

Oh honey I know - but I know this HOT guy (used to model for Elite) who "married" the shortest, baldest, fattesst ( sp.? ) little man. Granted the hobbitt is a doctor, but the hot guy is worth a fortune on his own - so it is not about $$$.

It takes all kinds I guess.

And - I don't know - some go go shorts, a smart new color and do, and Foley could be dancing on a box shirtless somewhere to the latest Kristine W. remix

strandinthewind

10-03-2006, 03:03 PM

I actively tried to pick up older guys from the age of 14 at shopping malls. :cool:

And never succeeded. :lol:

Strand, I largely agree with your arguments on this thread. There is no question that Foley has a big problem and acted in a very inappropriate and unethical manner. He is unfit to be an elected official and needs a lot of therapy.

However, he is not a pedophile and I think there has been an extreme overreaction around this country to this story.

Probably an unpopular opinion.

Its a good thing I wasn't at your mall :cool:

SuzeQuze

10-03-2006, 03:20 PM

Oh honey I know - but I know this HOT guy (used to model for Elite) who "married" the shortest, baldest, fattesst ( sp.? ) little man. Granted the hobbitt is a doctor, but the hot guy is worth a fortune on his own - so it is not about $$$.

It takes all kinds I guess.

And - I don't know - some go go shorts, a smart new color and do, and Foley could be dancing on a box shirtless somewhere to the latest Kristine W. remix

I guess. :lol: When you were a teen would you find a man that age attractive? I know I never did. At the time men that age were my great grandfather's age. :eek: Yes, my fam is young. Would your friends? I just don't see that part of it.

SuzeQuze

10-03-2006, 03:21 PM

Its a good thing I wasn't at your mall :cool:

So what you're saying is, that kid at the gym, I should... oh forget it, I'll see you in hell. :wavey: :lol:

strandinthewind

10-03-2006, 04:11 PM

I guess. :lol: When you were a teen would you find a man that age attractive? I know I never did. At the time men that age were my great grandfather's age. :eek: Yes, my fam is young. Would your friends? I just don't see that part of it.

Some people do though. That is my point. I mean looks are not everything :shrug:

strandinthewind

10-03-2006, 04:16 PM

So what you're saying is, that kid at the gym, I should... oh forget it, I'll see you in hell. :wavey: :lol:

And - ypu didn't at least think about it :wavey: How about later that day?

priestofnothing

10-03-2006, 05:15 PM

I think we should a take a poll amongst the guys around here and see just how many would have readily consented and thoroughly enjoyed banging some hot older person when they were 16-18. I submit all will say they fantasized about it - or they are lying :laugh:

Seriously, I think it is just different with guys. Moreover, they guys in these IM's clearly were into Foley. I mean they were chatting with him and discussing sexual things in a sexual manner. So, they are gay - big wooo. Folely is still a heel for abusing his position of power.

When I was 18, I had a regular f-bud who was 35. Today 35 doesn't seem that old to me, but when I was 18, he was double my age, so he seemed much older then. He was very good looking, but the appeal for me was really his total confidence, his experience and sexual adventurousness (is that a word?) Plus he took me to Key West and let me ride on the back of his motorcycle Purrrrr.

Guys my age were inexperienced confused nervous and fumbling just like I was - this was a different time, 1984.

I wouldn't do it now, but I totally understand the dynamics of the daddy/boy thing.

strandinthewind

10-03-2006, 06:26 PM

strandinthewind

10-03-2006, 06:30 PM

From cnn.com

Former Rep. Mark Foley was molested as a teen by a clergyman, his attorney says. David Roth added the admission was made as part of Foley's recovery program at a treatment center.

1. Does anyone really believe this shiitte :laugh:

2. even if he was - he's gay and the two things are mutually exclusive

3. If he fukcs with the Roman Catholic Church - he will be destroyed by their machine - mark my words.

What a cliched heel

markolas

10-03-2006, 06:31 PM

LOL - no guys coming forward and saying they would NEVER be with an older hottie when they were 16 -- HMMMMMMMMM

Certainly not me. I had major hots for most of my male teachers in junior high and high school. And when I was 25-26, I dated a guy who was 50. Not the same as 16, but still...he was/is twice my age. So I really don't think it's uncommon at all.

amber

10-03-2006, 06:57 PM

Certainly not me. I had major hots for most of my male teachers in junior high and high school. And when I was 25-26, I dated a guy who was 50. Not the same as 16, but still...he was/is twice my age. So I really don't think it's uncommon at all.

Me, too, I totally would've dated someone older. Way older. Preferably one of my teachers. :shrug: I would still date someone way older, if his stuff worked well.

And yes, I do believe he was molested by a clergyman - and yes, gay is different, but still if he was 16 or 17 at the time, that could easily account for his younger man preference, in addition to him being gay, of course. Most people who are molested pick the same age group to molest. Only in this case it isn't molestation b/c the guys are older and it seemed consentual. I'm just saying that could account for his preference in age.

sparky

10-03-2006, 07:00 PM

LOL - no guys coming forward and saying they would NEVER be with an older hottie when they were 16 -- HMMMMMMMMM

Seriously thought, I know lots of straight guys who fukced older women when they were in high school. Not only did they not regret it -- they bragged about it and still do :laugh:

Hey - men are pigs - what can I say :cool:

When I was 16 I had an affair with a 32 year old. And was thrilled to have done it. I always liked older men. I mean, 54 is pushing it, but older, always. It's only now that I find guys in their 20's remotely attractive. Key word remotely, and LATE 20's at that.:D

sparky

10-03-2006, 07:06 PM

From cnn.com

Former Rep. Mark Foley was molested as a teen by a clergyman, his attorney says. David Roth added the admission was made as part of Foley's recovery program at a treatment center.

Well, the clergy is involved already. :laugh: I knew it. How many days till he appears in public with a priest who is consoling him ? Do you think Jesse Jackson will counsel him ? Woops. Wrong party.
What I have noticed with some people is that if they are attacted to those who are inappropritely young, it is those who are the age at which they stopped maturing emotionally and psychosexually. Re : priests attracted to teens who are the same age they were when they stopped dealing with their own sexuality and maturing into more adult attraction patterns.

irishgrl

10-03-2006, 07:43 PM

And yes, I do believe he was molested by a clergyman -

ya know, Ive got some lunar real estate you might be interested in...:rolleyes:

ps: Ive done the May/December thing many times over, and I gotta say I LOVE it (I was the older partner :thumbsup: )

BombaySapphire3

10-04-2006, 04:21 AM

3. If he fukcs with the Roman Catholic Church - he will be destroyed by their machine - mark my words.

What a cliched heel

And he isn't destroyed already?.The man is a sociopath and i'm not saying this just out of partisan politics.Although I will admit it doesn't hurt that he's a repug and only five weeks out from an election.:laugh:

irishgrl

10-04-2006, 06:33 AM

And he isn't destroyed already?.The man is a sociopath and i'm not saying this just out of partisan politics.Although I will admit it doesn't hurt that he's a repug and only five weeks out from an election.:laugh:

lets just hope it gives the Dem challenger in that district the EDGE come election day. the GOP already named a replacement for the election, and that guy is busy saying things like "Im not Foley, dont vote for Foley" What a maroon.

strandinthewind

10-04-2006, 08:41 AM

SuzeQuze

10-04-2006, 09:09 AM

Well, the clergy is involved already. :laugh: I knew it. How many days till he appears in public with a priest who is consoling him ? Do you think Jesse Jackson will counsel him ? Woops. Wrong party.
What I have noticed with some people is that if they are attacted to those who are inappropritely young, it is those who are the age at which they stopped maturing emotionally and psychosexually. Re : priests attracted to teens who are the same age they were when they stopped dealing with their own sexuality and maturing into more adult attraction patterns.

This is true! And often what causes the hault of psychosexual maturity is having been molested.

strandinthewind

10-04-2006, 09:11 AM

This is true! And often what causes the hault of psychosexual maturity is having been molested.

In some cases. But, in the Folely instance, there does not appear to be any molestation. These teens appear to have consented to the emails, etc.

SuzeQuze

10-04-2006, 09:16 AM

In some cases. But, in the Folely instance, there does not appear to be any molestation. These teens appear to have consented to the emails, etc.

I only read one of the transcripts. What I read was a teen going along with what Foley was saying, answering his questions. I didn't see any indication that the teen was sexually interested in the man. But the teen didn't say he was uncomfortable with the conversation or stop it. However there is the unbalance of power. I had a boss once that used to do this to girls in my department. They all went along with what he said out of fear and none of them reported him, not a single one.

I didn't say Foley molested anybody. But he says he was molested as a teen which can hault psychosexual development hance his penchant for teens.

strandinthewind

10-04-2006, 09:55 AM

SuzeQuze

10-04-2006, 11:11 AM

He is full of shiitte IMO and is using that as an excuse.

As for the teens - they seemed interested to me -- in fact onbe beat off online with him. That sounds interested to me :shrug: Again, these are not 10 year olds.

I wonder. There seems to be a form for these people to get out of sh*t.

* Admit it and say you're sorry.
* Say you're sorry for the hurt you've caused to your family.
* Go to rehab.

Politicians know that voters are more willing to forgive when they apologize. So as far as sincerity goes, I just don't see it. It's all PR and pre-formatted at that.

strandinthewind

10-04-2006, 12:20 PM

Well, rock stars use it as well - "Oh - don't blame me for the failure of SA and for being a total C U Next Tuesday, it was the Klonopin" :nod:

sparky

10-04-2006, 01:02 PM

Well, rock stars use it as well - "Oh - don't blame me for the failure of SA and for being a total C U Next Tuesday, it was the Klonopin" :nod:

"Don't Blame it on Me. Blame it on my Wild Addiction."

strandinthewind

10-04-2006, 01:04 PM

Exactly !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I mean look at Mel Gibson - if you have to :laugh:

mikeschmike

10-04-2006, 01:15 PM

I mean look at Mel Gibson - if you have to

Please don't make me.

From CNN's homepage:

Kirk Fordham, chief of staff to Rep. Tom Reynolds, resigns amid fallout from Rep. Mark Foley's sex messages to a teenage page, CNN confirms.

What in hell is going on here?

sparky

10-04-2006, 01:15 PM

Exactly !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I mean look at Mel Gibson - if you have to :laugh:

The only view I can imagine I want to see of him is his bare ass in the first Lethal Weapon. That, I can deal with.

strandinthewind

10-04-2006, 01:30 PM

The only view I can imagine I want to see of him is his bare ass in the first Lethal Weapon. That, I can deal with.

He was soooo nice looking and I LOVED Braveheart!!!!

Also - Mike - what's is going on here is a melt down and a panic - couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch of people :nod:

Nixxxed

10-04-2006, 01:52 PM

Please don't make me.

From CNN's homepage:

Kirk Fordham, chief of staff to Rep. Tom Reynolds, resigns amid fallout from Rep. Mark Foley's sex messages to a teenage page, CNN confirms.

What in hell is going on here?
Scapegoat: http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2006/10/top_gop_staffer.html

Top GOP Staffer Forced Out for Role in Page Scandal
October 04, 2006 1:44 PM

Brian Ross and Rhonda Schwartz Report:
Jake Tapper contributed to this report.

The chief of staff for Republican Congressman Tom Reynolds, Kirk Fordham, resigned after questions were raised about his role in the handling of the congressional page scandal, according to Republican sources on Capitol Hill.

Those sources said Fordham, a former chief of staff for Congressman Mark Foley, had urged Republican leaders last spring not to raise questionable Foley e-mails with the full Congressional Page Board, made up of two Republicans and a Democrat.

"He begged them not to tell the page board," said one of the Republican sources.

They said Fordham had repeatedly warned Hastert's staff about Foley's "problem" with pages, but little was done.

The complaint about Foley was brought to the chairman of the page board, Congressman John Shimkus (R-IL), last spring, and he then consulted with the Clerk of the House of Representatives, Jeff Trandahl.

At Fordham's urging, according to the sources, the matter was not given to the full board, and instead Congressman Foley was privately approached and told to stop all contact with the page he had been e-mailing.

"This is something we should have been aware of, and we weren't, and I'm very unhappy about that," said Congresswoman Shelley Moore Capito (R-WV), who also serves on the page board.

The Democrat on the page board, Congressman Dale Kildee (D-MI), said it was "unprecedented" to have handled the matter without informing the board members.

Fordham was also instrumental in orchestrating Foley's abrupt resignation last week hours after ABC News confronted the congressman with sexually explicit instant messages allegedly sent to pages.

Fordham offered ABC News a deal if it would not publish the content of the instant messages.

"He said we could have the exclusive on the resignation if we did not run direct quotes from the instant messages," said Maddy Sauer, the ABC News producer who dealt with Fordham.

ABC News refused to make any such deal.

Capitol Hill sources say Fordham's resignation was demanded by Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert, whose job is on the line because of his handling of the page scandal.

Repeated phone calls to Fordham for comment have not been returned.

================

But now Fordham has released his own statement:
http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2006/10/forced_out_staf.html

mikeschmike

10-04-2006, 02:01 PM

Fordham offered ABC News a deal if it would not publish the content of the instant messages.

"He said we could have the exclusive on the resignation if we did not run direct quotes from the instant messages," said Maddy Sauer, the ABC News producer who dealt with Fordham.

ABC News refused to make any such deal.

This actually surprises me. It's almost like the media and the government are two seperate entities. Almost.

Nixxxed

10-04-2006, 02:13 PM

This actually surprises me. It's almost like the media and the government are two seperate entities. Almost.

EDIT: My bad - the quoted section below is still in the ABC story - I obviously need to retake my Mouse Skills 101 class...

They're one entity.

People familiar with Fordham's side of the story, however, said Fordham was being used as a scapegoat by Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert.

They said Fordham had repeatedly warned Hastert's staff about Foley's "problem" with pages, but little was done.

The complaint about Foley was brought to the chairman of the page board, Congressman John Shimkus (R-IL), last spring, and he then consulted with the Clerk of the House of Representatives, Jeff Trandahl.

At Fordham's urging, according to the sources, the matter was not given to the full board, and instead Congressman Foley was privately approached and told to stop all contact with the page he had been e-mailing.

SuzeQuze

10-04-2006, 02:18 PM

This is a vast left-wing conspiracy. :rolleyes:

This guy does seem like a scapegoat because Hastert knew and didn't tell the board either. And so many others knew as well. Others may fall in this guy's wake.

SuzeQuze

10-04-2006, 02:19 PM

They're one entity.

I just noticed (after I cut-n-pasted) that this section has been removed from the ABC story, which is why people are claiming Hastert is using Fordham as a scapegoat. Gee, I wonder why it was removed????? :laugh:

No way, the part that said Hastert knew? Of course! Send to crooks and liars or something. I hate revisionism.

sparky

10-04-2006, 02:19 PM

They're one entity.

I just noticed (after I cut-n-pasted) that this section has been removed from the ABC story, which is why people are claiming Hastert is using Fordham as a scapegoat. Gee, I wonder why it was removed????? :laugh:

Hey MDC ! I miss you and your little blinking Zorro.

:wavey:

mikeschmike

10-04-2006, 02:21 PM

Others may fall in this guy's wake.

Empires will crumble...

DavidMn

10-04-2006, 03:30 PM

Empires will crumble...Hastert should be the first.

SuzeQuze

10-04-2006, 03:55 PM

Hastert should be the first.

He'll probably get an award or something. :rolleyes: He's doing a heck of a job.

DavidMn

10-04-2006, 03:57 PM

He'll probably get an award or something. :rolleyes: He's doing a heck of a job.Not to pick on Massachusetts, but I remember somthign back in the 80's with Barney Frank. I dont know it the guy was underage though? Do you remember?

gldstwmn

10-04-2006, 03:59 PM

I think Denny Hastert is just about finished.

strandinthewind

10-04-2006, 04:04 PM

There have been numerous scandals with the Page Program. It ought to be eliminated.

estranged4life

10-04-2006, 04:05 PM

that said the Democrats purposedly leaked the info to bury the Repubs in November :shrug:

Oh well, I dont care if they did or not, I just thank GOD the MLB playoffs are on TV!!!

sparky

10-04-2006, 04:11 PM

Empires will crumble...

No, no. That's when Stevie writes her book.

What would you call it when empires are crumbling at the same time that hell is freezing over ?

mikeschmike

10-04-2006, 04:15 PM

What would you call it when empires are crumbling at the same time that hell is freezing over ?

When she writes her book and performs a song written after 1983, wearing platform boots AND a red dress.

gldstwmn

10-04-2006, 04:28 PM

Haven't had a chance to read this whole thread yet. Has this been posted already?

http://www.tallahassee.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061004/BREAKINGNEWS/61004028

Clerk asked to look into report of Foley incident at page's dorm

By Larry Wheeler
Florida Today
WASHINGTON — A senior House Republican has asked the House clerk to look into allegations that then-Rep. Mark Foley was turned away from the congressional page dorm on Capitol Hill after arriving there intoxicated one night.

Lawmakers have been talking about the alleged incident since Friday, when Foley resigned amid reports he sent sexually explicit Intenet e-mails to a House page.

U.S. Rep. Deborah Pryce, R-Ohio, is calling for a further investigation of the dorm report.
“Congresswoman Pryce contacted the clerk and asked her to look into this rumor,” said Geoff Embler, a spokesman for Pryce.

Rep. Roger Wicker, a Mississippi Republican, asked Pryce and other House leaders, including House Speaker Dennis Hastert, about the alleged incident during a conference call Monday evening, Embler said.

Foley’s attorney, David Roth, could not be reached for comment.

Pryce also sent a letter to all Republican House members urging them to contact the proper authorities if they have specific information about allegedly inappropriate behavior by any House member, staffer or employee, Embler said.

A spokesman for Wicker declined to comment.

A search of official incident reports logged by the U.S. Capitol Police, who provide security at the dorm, turned up no mention of Foley, said Jeffrey Scruggs, an officer in the department’s reports processing division.

And no complaints have been filed against Foley by anyone at the page dorm, said Salley Collins, a spokeswoman for the House Administration Committee, which oversees the clerk’s office.

SuzeQuze

10-04-2006, 04:32 PM

Not to pick on Massachusetts, but I remember somthign back in the 80's with Barney Frank. I dont know it the guy was underage though? Do you remember?

no, not underage.

DavidMn

10-04-2006, 04:37 PM

no, not underage.I didnt think so. He doesnt seem like that kinda guy at all.:nod:

strandinthewind

10-04-2006, 04:45 PM

Ah yes - Barney FAG - eeer -- I mean Frank.

He did not solicit sex from teenage pages.

Rather, in 1989, Frank admitted he'd lived with Steve Gobie, a male prostitute who ran a gay sex-for-hire ring out of Frank's apartment. Frank, it was later discovered, used his position to fix 33 parking tickets for Gobie.

Nice!

gldstwmn

10-04-2006, 05:50 PM

sparky

10-04-2006, 06:33 PM

Everyone needs a sugar daddy sometime! :laugh:

Barney Frank would have to fix a lot more than parking tickets for me. He looks like a gene splice of Fred Flintstone and Jay Leno. With a speech impediment that makes Carol Channing sound intelligible.

strandinthewind

10-04-2006, 06:56 PM

Everyone needs a sugar daddy sometime! :laugh:

I plead the Fifth!!!!!! :angel: :angel:

DrummerDeanna

10-04-2006, 07:17 PM

Reall amusing commentary on the Foley/gay thing:

Commentator Marc Acito says that when Rep. Mark Foley's attorney announced that Foley is gay, it wasn't a great moment for gay people.

Like former New Jersey Gov. Jim McGreevey, Foley is trying to make the issue his sexuality. Instead, the issue should be his conduct, Acito says.

Marc Acito's column is syndicated in many newspapers; he is also the author of the novel How I Paid for College.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6196752

-------------

And a bit of an alarming story in which some dude states that Foley is homosexual therefore preoccupied with sex (as all homosexuals are)...

Anyone who knew of resigned Rep. Mark Foley's improper conduct should resign and face prosecution, a coalition of conservative groups says in a letter released Tuesday.

Paul Weyrich, an author of the letter from the Arlington Group, a coalition of 70 socially conservative organizations, called for House Speaker Dennis Hastert's resignation.

But after speaking with Hastert Wednesday, Weyrich says he changed his mind, and the speaker should not step down. Michele Norris talks with Weyrich, chairman and CEO of the Free Congress Foundation.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6196749

Nixxxed

10-04-2006, 07:38 PM

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand the jokes begin:

Speaker of the House Denny Hastert, responding to allegations he didn't do enough to investigate claims of Foley's misconduct, adamantly stated the following:

"No one could have anticipated the breach of the Levi's!!!"

Now if I could only remember where I read it - there were tons more... :D

gldstwmn

10-04-2006, 11:18 PM

Barney Frank would have to fix a lot more than parking tickets for me. He looks like a gene splice of Fred Flintstone and Jay Leno. With a speech impediment that makes Carol Channing sound intelligible.

:laugh: Maybe his b/f had low expectations.

cliffdweller

10-05-2006, 09:02 AM

Foley is trying to make the issue his sexuality. Instead, the issue should be his conduct, Acito says.

This is the point I was trying to make earlier in this thread. Right on.

strandinthewind

10-05-2006, 09:41 AM

You all have to go to this site and play the video of Wanda Sykes on this!!!!!

http://jackandjillpolitics.blogspot.com/2006/10/wanda-sykes-foley-is-giving-alcohol.html

I LOVE HER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SuzeQuze

10-05-2006, 11:51 AM

...

And a bit of an alarming story in which some dude states that Foley is homosexual therefore preoccupied with sex (as all homosexuals are)...

No, it's because he's a man, baby! That testosterone keeps their motor runnin'.

strandinthewind

10-05-2006, 12:09 PM

No, it's because he's a man, baby! That testosterone keeps their motor runnin'.

and you would have us any other way :shrug:

See -- that's the thing with women - they bitch and moan about feelings blah blah blah - then men nail them hard one time and they shut up for a few days :laugh:

sparky

10-05-2006, 01:58 PM

and you would have us any other way :shrug:

See -- that's the thing with women - they bitch and moan about feelings blah blah blah - then men nail them hard one time and they shut up for a few days :laugh:

You have a wicked way with words. As for the accuracy of your statement, I shudder at the thought but my anecdotal research bears it out.

BTFLCHLD

10-05-2006, 02:03 PM

men nail them hard strandie...the whitehouse called...they have received your umpteenth PAGE application and suggest you get your rocksoff elsewhere. :rolleyes:

<img src="http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a152/BTFLCHLD/strandwind.gif">

strandinthewind

10-05-2006, 02:50 PM

strandie...the whitehouse called...they have received your umpteenth PAGE application and suggest you get your rocksoff elsewhere. :rolleyes:

That was nice - then again you are such a giving person :wavey:

strandinthewind

10-05-2006, 02:52 PM

You have a wicked way with words. As for the accuracy of your statement, I shudder at the thought but my anecdotal research bears it out.

Wait till the femi nazi's launch the attack on me for that one - even though they know its true. Well, either that or they are rather unlucky in love :laugh:

ITS OPEN SEASON ON STRAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

On edit - think Madeline Kahn in Young Frankenstien - in the cave - SWEEEEEEETTTT MYSTERY OF LIFE AT LAST I'VE FOUND YOU :laugh:

BTFLCHLD

10-05-2006, 03:01 PM

you are such a giving person :wavey: :xoxo: :xoxo:

irishgrl

10-05-2006, 03:02 PM

Tsk Tsk Jason, cant control yerself can you!!

strandinthewind

10-05-2006, 03:03 PM

Tsk Tsk Jason, cant control yerself can you!!

SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET MYSTERY OF LIFE AT LAST I'VE FOUND YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BTFLCHLD

10-05-2006, 03:16 PM

femi nazi's
what's that?

strandinthewind

10-05-2006, 03:21 PM

what's that?

ask Mary :laugh: :rolleyes: :wavey:

priestofnothing

10-05-2006, 03:54 PM

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand the jokes begin:

Why doesn't Mark Foley like to use bookmarks?

He likes to bend over the pages instead. :D

strandinthewind

10-05-2006, 03:55 PM

Why doesn't Mark Foley like to use bookmarks?

He likes to bend over the pages instead. :D

Put their ends between his fingers so to speak!!!!!!!

DavidMn

10-05-2006, 03:56 PM

Why doesn't Mark Foley like to use bookmarks?

He likes to bend over the pages instead. :DLast comic standing anyone?:lol:

BTFLCHLD

10-05-2006, 06:20 PM

femi nazi's oh...so it's the F word for females and the N word for those of german descent...ok.

estranged4life

10-05-2006, 11:34 PM

By Chris Casteel, Nolan Clay and Michael McNutt
Copyright 2006, The Oklahoman

A former U.S. House page working on the gubernatorial campaign of Republican Rep. Ernest Istook may be a part of the scandal involving former U.S. Rep. Mark Foley, The Oklahoman has learned.

The former page, a Californian named Jordan Edmund, 21, on Wednesday hired Enid attorney Stephen Jones to represent him, the attorney confirmed.

Jones would not say exactly why he was hired, but did say, “I understand the FBI and the House Ethics committee have an interest in the matter ... the allegations concerning Congressman Foley which have surfaced.”

Foley, a Republican from Florida, resigned abruptly Friday after it was learned he exchanged sexually explicit e-mails with former pages. The FBI is investigating.

Istook has been unavailable for comment Thursday. The congressman was scheduled to be working out of his campaign office in downtown Oklahoma City today, but hasn't been there yet. Campaign officials refused to say where Istook is.

Istook’s campaign manager, Chip Englander, who also is from California, declined comment Wednesday to an Oklahoman reporter.

However, Englander gave The Oklahoman a statement that was attributed to Istook.

The statement says: “The sad and sick behavior of Mark Foley was a total surprise to me when it was revealed. Law enforcement is doing its job, and I support that effort. Now we should all support and protect the victims, and they should not be hounded by the press.

“It was a complete surprise to learn this morning that one victim may be someone I know. Each one of the victims deserves their privacy. To every reporter I request, please have the decency to avoid making things worse for the victims, and just leave them alone. This happened years ago when the victims were minors.”

Reached at his home, Istook referred to the prepared statement.

Edmund’s name surfaced on Internet blogs that linked him to the instant message address used in communications with Foley.

One blogger got the instant message address from the Web site of ABC News, which has obtained the instant messages sent between Foley and a former page.

In the sequence of messages identified by the blogger, Foley tells the person to “strip down and get relaxed.”

It is not clear whether Foley’s other instant messages, including one in which he apparently conducted “instant message” sex with a person, were all to the same person.

Asked why Edmund needed an attorney, Jones said, “You read the blogs. You know why he needs an attorney.”

Jones, who represented Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh in his murder trial in Denver, confirmed Edmund was a U.S. House page.

“I’ve been retained in the last several hours,” Jones said. “I’m still reviewing matters.”

Jones said the two met Wednesday in Oklahoma City.

Edmund had an Internet page on the popular MySpace Web site.

On that Web page, he identified himself as being 21 years old and said he had been attending college at the University of California, Berkeley. He also identified himself as a House page from September 2001 to June 2002. He would have been 16 and 17 then. He said he was going to Oklahoma to be deputy campaign manager for Istook’s gubernatorial effort, according to the Web site.

Edmund registered to vote in Oklahoma in March, records show.

The House Ethics Committee is scheduled to hold a closed-door meeting this morning about the Foley matter.

Rep. Tom Cole, R-Moore, one of the 10 members of the committee, flew back to Washington on Wednesday for what he called an “emergency meeting.” He said the committee today would not hear from witnesses but would set the parameters of the investigation.

Cole said the investigation would not focus on Foley because his resignation put him beyond the committee’s jurisdiction.

Without making specific references to any House leaders, Cole made it clear that the committee will be interested in how knowledge of Foley’s contacts with a former Louisiana page were handled in the House.

“We want to know who knew what and when, and what was done about it,” Cole said.

Conflicting stories have been told by top Republican leaders and their staff members about what kind of information they had about Foley’s contacts with former pages and how they acted on that information.

Cole said, “I would expect that anybody whose name has been mentioned (in connection with the matter) should expect the opportunity to testify before the ethics committee.

“If they refuse to accept the opportunity to testify, they should expect to receive a subpoena.”

Cole said he planned to argue for an investigation broad enough to determine whether any one else connected with the House has acted inappropriately toward pages.

Cole said he expected the ethics committee, which normally operates in complete secrecy, to “be more forthcoming and more transparent than we usually are.”

“I want to get to the bottom of this,” Cole said. “I take this deadly seriously.

“First and foremost, I’m worried about the safety of the kids and the obligation we owe them and their parents.”

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Blogger credited in discovering identity

William Kerr knew he was on to the biggest story of his life. But he didn’t know it was in his own back yard.

Kerr, of Moore, is the author of the blog Passionate America, which is being credited with discovering the identity of the former House page who may have exchanged inappropriate instant messages with former Rep. Mark Foley, and that the former page now works for Oklahoma gubernatorial candidate Ernest Istook.

Kerr said he received e-mails and phone calls from national media outlets Wednesday, including the tabloid television program Inside Edition and Internet pundit Matt Drudge.

“I started thinking, ‘I’m not big enough to put this story out,’” Kerr said. “In the four days that we really worked on this, we just said to each other, ‘Do you know how big this is?’”

Kerr said he stumbled onto the former page’s AOL screen name when looking at transcripts of the instant messages on ABC’s Web site Saturday.

He said he typed a slightly-different Web address into his browser and found a version of the transcript with the screen name.

Kerr and another blogger spent several days researching on the Internet.

They had determined the page’s identity and were about to publish it when they found out he worked for Istook.

Kerr said he accidentally posted the story before he intended. Although he removed the post, the information already had spread.

He tried to verify the former page’s identity through Istook’s campaign office, but was turned away.

gldstwmn

10-05-2006, 11:57 PM

strandie...the whitehouse called...they have received your umpteenth PAGE application and suggest you get your rocksoff elsewhere. :rolleyes:

<img src="http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a152/BTFLCHLD/strandwind.gif">

Oh. My. God.

strandinthewind

10-06-2006, 02:35 AM

Oh. My. God.

Oh WHATEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GODDESS6

10-06-2006, 06:19 AM

Oh. My. God.

OMG this just made me spill my V-8 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: !!!~

estranged4life

10-06-2006, 07:48 AM

OMG this just made me spill my V-8 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: !!!~

I was already sick this morning, reading about V8 has made it worse.

Brian "Pizza Hut=Food Poisoning" j.

SuzeQuze

10-06-2006, 07:50 AM

and you would have us any other way :shrug:

See -- that's the thing with women - they bitch and moan about feelings blah blah blah - then men nail them hard one time and they shut up for a few days :laugh:

I did not say anything negative about it, I merely stated it as fact. Now, you know? Women can no less control their need to be social and connected than men can control their sex drives. Can we have some compassion for each other?

SuzeQuze

10-06-2006, 07:52 AM

I was already sick this morning, reading about V8 has made it worse.

Brian "Pizza Hut=Food Poisoning" j.

Oh no, hope you feel better! :wavey: However, I'm surprised it was Pizza Hut, is there anything natural in their food? :lol: Mmm, but it's so good.

SuzeQuze

10-06-2006, 07:53 AM

oh...so it's the F word for females and the N word for those of german descent...ok.

Not to mention that it is really offensive. I know there are militant feminists, I get that, but f-n is a really unfair term and old. :shrug:

irishgrl

10-06-2006, 07:55 AM

oh...so it's the F word for females and the N word for those of german descent...ok.

YEAH JASON----where's your PC mentality NOW???

estranged4life

10-06-2006, 08:03 AM

See -- that's the thing with women - they bitch and moan about feelings blah blah blah - then men nail them hard one time and they shut up for a few days :laugh:

the same works in an opposite case-The woman nails 'em hard and the man quits bitchin/moanin for a few days...

Well, At least that is how it works in my case :shrug: :laugh: :thumbsup:

estranged4life

10-06-2006, 08:18 AM

I'm surprised it was Pizza Hut, is there anything natural in their food? :lol: Mmm, but it's so good.

natural as in freshly shoveled 3 day old roadkill???

"Day after day
Alone on the hill
Another politician is seeking a sexual thrill

But noone seems to notice
His one handed keyboard skill
Just another typical sexual conquest
for the perve on the hill"

Brian "Pervs in Washington + Bad pizza in Oklahoma + my satire of a Beatles classic=My Friday morning" j.

estranged4life

10-06-2006, 08:56 AM

By Nolan Clay and Michael McNutt
The Oklahoman

A former congressional page is willing to talk to the FBI and the U.S. House Ethics Committee about former Rep. Mark Foley, his attorney said Thursday.

“He will answer fully and truthfully any questions put to him,” attorney Stephen Jones said.

Jordan Edmund, 21, has been working on Republican Rep. Ernest Istook’s gubernatorial campaign. Istook, of Warr Acres, admitted Thursday at a hastily called news conference the scandal has affected his campaign.

“Things are a distraction, but it doesn’t stop the momentum that we’ve been gaining,” Istook said.

Foley, a Florida Republican, resigned from Congress last week after it was learned he had exchanged lurid messages over the Internet with former male pages. Foley later admitted through his attorney he had made the exchanges and blamed alcohol.

Foley also revealed publicly for the first time he is gay but denied being a pedophile. He specifically denied through his attorney any sexual contact with minors.

ABC News first reported the story and posted on its Web site excerpts of the Internet exchanges.

Edmund’s name became public after an Oklahoma-based blogger identified him after discovering his screen name on ABC News’ Web site. ABC News admitted Thursday it had made a mistake.

In an excerpt attributed by the blogger as sent to Edmund, Foley allegedly said “strip down and get relaxed.”

Istook criticized the media Thursday for naming the campaign aide. Istook did not directly confirm the aide “may have been a victim of the wrongful behavior” of Foley.

However, Istook said he urged the man “to cooperate fully with law enforcement and the House Ethics Committee.”

He also said, “This is a young man who is bright and hardworking. He does not deserve the public embarrassment that he now faces. ... What he needs and deserves is Christian compassion.”

Istook said the aide’s status with the campaign “will be determined as we go along.”

Jones said Edmund has done nothing wrong.

“Jordan was a minor when the alleged events described in the media occurred,” Jones said. “He retained me ... to guide and assist him through a difficult investigative and media onslaught because he thought I might be able to help him.

“Jordan has authorized me to say that if he has any relevant information on the matters involving Congressman Foley, he will voluntarily present it to any appropriate official authority.”

Jones has experience with high-profile cases. He defended Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh.

Jones confirmed he has been in contact with the FBI and that Edmund has left Oklahoma. Jones, a $5,000 contributor to Istook, said he is not being paid by the Istook campaign.

ABC News reported Foley had Internet sex with the former page before a vote. In one exchange, Foley wrote, “I miss you lots since san diego.” Edmund is from the San Diego area.

Also, ABC News reported some exchanges were in April 2003, when Edmund would have been 18.

Jones said he could not yet discuss the Internet messages. He also would not say whether Foley and Edmund ever met outside Congress.

Jones said, “He was a page in the House of Representatives his junior year in high school at the same time Mr. Foley was a member of Congress. So he met most, if not all, of the Republican members of the House. And I’m sure he met quite a few Democrats. That’s how they would know each other.”

He declined to make Edmund available for interviews. “He’s not going to appear on any television talk show, interview, radio,” Jones said.

The attorney disputed as “a piece of fiction” a report on a widely viewed Internet site, The Drudge Report, that Edmund’s exchanges with Foley were a prank by the page.

Jones said, “There is not any aspect of this matter that is a practical joke nor should anyone treat it that way.”

Edmund described himself on the popular MySpace.com Internet site as the deputy campaign manager for Istook and a political science major at the University of California at Berkeley.

“Politics is my passion. I love the game,” he wrote.

He also described himself as a U.S. House page from September 2001 to June 2002. He said he is straight.

His father is a retired doctor while his mother is a schoolteacher, a friend said.

“He’s a really neat guy,” said friend Jessee Harwell, 21, of Fullerton, Calif. “He told me that he was in Washington and that he enjoyed it a lot and that he learned a lot. ... He’s, like, diehard into politics.”

Edmund worked two summers during high school at an ice cream shop in Carlsbad, Calif., the shop’s manager said.

“He’s a good kid,” manager Ruth Hall said. “He’s quiet.”

Istook, who is leaving Congress after 14 years, repeated Thursday he was unaware of Foley’s “sad and sick behavior” until last week.

“How would I have known, how would I have intercepted somebody’s private communications?” Istook asked.

Istook said he first learned Wednesday one of Foley’s victims may be someone that he knew.

“My reaction was to try to find out what’s going on,” Istook said. “I have no personal knowledge of what the House leadership knew or didn’t know. I’m glad that we’re looking into that.

“I realize we live in an era when people want an instant answer,” he said. “They want everything to be resolved immediately. We should not have the press or anybody else trying to pressure people to jump to conclusions.”

Istook dismissed as “nonsense” a question that presidential adviser Karl Rove, who will appear Monday night in Oklahoma City to raise money for Istook’s campaign, recommended he hire Edmund.

Chris Wilson of Wilson Research Strategies said Thursday he recommended last year that Istook hire Chip Englander, a Californian, as campaign manager.

Wilson, whose company serves as consultant to Istook’s campaign, said the campaign manager usually hires his staff.

Democratic Gov. Brad Henry was campaigning Thursday afternoon in El Reno and Yukon. He declined to comment, said Paul Sund, a Henry spokesman.

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Istook is such a tool, Gov.Brad Henry will win re-election easily!!!

strandinthewind

10-06-2006, 09:08 AM

YEAH JASON----where's your PC mentality NOW???

I am soooo not PC - don't you know that :laugh:

strandinthewind

10-06-2006, 09:09 AM

the same works in an opposite case-The woman nails 'em hard and the man quits bitchin/moanin for a few days...

Well, At least that is how it works in my case :shrug: :laugh: :thumbsup:

LOL - a very dear friend who is about 80 used to tell me (in her best Southern drawl) "dahlin' that 15 minutes makes all the difference in their attitude" :laugh:

Nixxxed

11-02-2006, 02:28 PM

In case y'all hadn't heard ... rehab is "hard work". :nod:

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2006/11/01/extra_treatment_time_for_foley/?rss_id=Boston.com+%2F+News+%2F+Nation

Extra treatment time for Foley
By Brian Skoloff, Associated Press Writer | November 1, 2006

WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. --Former Rep. Mark Foley, who resigned over sexually explicit messages sent to male congressional pages, is remaining in treatment for alcoholism beyond his initial 30-day stay, his attorney said Wednesday.

Foley checked into a 30-day treatment program at the Sierra Tucson center in Catalina, Ariz., near Tucson, on Oct. 1. There was no immediate indication how much longer Foley would remain there.

"I can't say any information other than he's still there," attorney Gerald Richman told The Associated Press.

The Florida Republican resigned from Congress in September after he was confronted with the explicit computer messages he had sent to male teenage congressional pages.

His attorneys have since said that Foley is gay, suffers from alcohol addiction and was molested by a Catholic priest when he was a teenage altar boy.

They said Foley was seeking treatment for "alcoholism and other behavioral problems."

Authorities are investigating whether Foley broke any state or federal laws, and a House ethics committee is questioning members of Congress about what they knew regarding Foley's inappropriate contacts.

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