Discuss: Second Hand News

[skcin]

I've had a few requests to start "like or dislike" threads over here (I've done several in the Stevie forum) so I'm doing it. Some thought the "like or dislike" title was stupid or silly, so now it's "discuss." Happy now? :laugh: Probably not.

Please contribute a review of the song, as detailed or vague as you'd like. Of course, it would be great if people would go into details about music & lyrics, but feel free to post "it's a nice song" if you must. I do ask that we respect everyone's opinions - what you may love, another may loathe. It's all subjective, so let's keep that in mind. Please. Thanks.



I think that SHN is a perfect opener for the album. :nod: The starting guitar crescendo (is that the right term? I think so...) is so cool, and makes the song just bust wide open. I can't help but smile & I always want to start dancing around when it plays. Mick's drums are light & bouncy - I don't know how else to describe them. Love the beat of the cymbals. John's bass is quite understated - I actually have to think about it to hear it, which is not really a bad thing in this case. It wouldn't have sounded right if it were too heavy. It sounds pretty funky to my ears.

The harmonies are solid. Love when Stevie goes higher for "tossed around enough." My only complaint is that I don't hear Chris well. Is she not singing on this tune, or just not as prominently as other songs on the album? Or it's jusy me, perhaps? Can someone more knowledgable than me please advise?

For being a bit of a "f*ck you" song, it's pretty damned happy. I suppose LB wanted it to sound "I don't care, none of this is going to bring me down, whatever...." If that's what he wanted to do, he achieved it in my book. The lyrics are good, nothing too mean or heavy.

Anyone want to comment on the "tall grass" line? :cool: BTW - where did that theory come from? I mean, did LB ever mention the double entendre in an interview (I just realized I've no clue how to spell that) or did people just "get it?"

SHN song continues to rock live, IMO. Every SYW show I attended, people were up & dancing, myself included. But generally, I prefer the album version a bit more. And I prefer the officially released version over the one they gave us on the remaster.

[HomerMcvie]

I hope Lindsey gave the Bee Gees some credit in the royalties department.

[GypsySorcerer]

I love Second Hand News. It's upbeat and lively and virtually impossible not to sing along with it. Plus, I love the "Why can't we just have sex and forget everything else?" vibe. :cool:

[Villavic]

I think is a great opener for the album, it has rhythm, it's a nice song.. I used to love the song but... recently I don't know why I jump it to the following song (not necessarilly Dreams since I have my own records).

[DavidMn]

This is probably my least favorite song on Rumours.

[bikerchic]

Love it. You pretty much covered it all bitch :cool:

[amber]

I think that SHN is a perfect opener for the album. :nod: The starting guitar crescendo (is that the right term? I think so...) is so cool, and makes the song just bust wide open. I can't help but smile & I always want to start dancing around when it plays. Mick's drums are light & bouncy - I don't know how else to describe them. Love the beat of the cymbals.
The harmonies are solid. Love when Stevie goes higher for "tossed around enough."


What you said here. :shrug: Except I actually do start bouncing around. It's my best weekend "I just woke up and I'm happy" jumping around my house song. The only thing you left out was the fun of scringing (screaming and singing) "Dowdowdowdowduhdowduhdowdowdowbowduhdowdowdowdowdowdootdowduhdowdow(dootdoodlidoo)" or whichever consonant you choose.

It is short, sweet, simple perfection. I looove the drum beat.

[chiliD]

The thing that always sticks with me about this song was reading an article in Crawdaddy magazine about the upcoming Fleetwood Mac album entitled Yesterday's Gone and the opening "untitled track with vaguely pornographic lyrics".

[DavidMn]

The thing that always sticks with me about this song was reading an article in Crawdaddy magazine about the upcoming Fleetwood Mac album entitled Yesterday's Gone and the opening "untitled track with vaguely pornographic lyrics".God will send them all to hell for that.:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[chiliD]

Well, you gotta remember, the Crawdaddy article came out a good 6 months or more before the album was released. The Rumours title was pretty much a last minute change. (As was Christine's change of the song from being the title cut to "Don't Stop") AND, considering that Lindsey wrote "Go Your Own Way" in 1975 and played it in concert for nearly a year before actually officially titling it. (Like it could have any OTHER title, Lindsey?) And, then there's "Brushes"...like "Never Going Back Again" wasn't going to be the title from the beginning?

But, then again, Bob Dylan DID title "that" song "Rainy Day Women #12 & 35". So, maybe Lindsey was trying to NOT use the "obvious". But, then, he's no Dylan.

[gypsysoul]

Whenever I go back to Rumours now this is the track I have to listen to. In the past it always played second fiddle to the other 'bigger' songs.

I agree it's a perfect opener for the album. Love everything about it.

[foxyluva]

**** this song.

Seriously though - I like it, and I included it on my best of Fleetwood Mac compilation, but the song I have heard once to many times to really get any more enjoyment out of it...

[aleuzzi]

SHN is a great tune. All the right elements are there. And yet I rarely listen to it. Go Your Own Way is the only Lindsey song from Rumors I listen to with any regularity. Hmm.

[aleuzzi]

...Lindsey wrote "Go Your Own Way" in 1975 and played it in concert for nearly a year before actually officially titling it.

I had no idea the son was written that early. I thought he wrote it sometime in 76. Wow, the stuff you learn.

[GypsySongbird]

My only complaint is that I don't hear Chris well. Is she not singing on this tune, or just not as prominently as other songs on the album? Or it's jusy me, perhaps?

im pretty sure she doesnt sing on second hand knews
but i know theres no pianos, & actually she played the chair (hehehe) instead, not sure again though if that was just in concert
so, sorry for the pretty vague contribution....

but i think its a great song! & beautiful harmonies! even if i would love to hear christine on it!

[michelle2677]

I love second hand news. when I was a little girl, my mom used to listen to Fleetwood Mac. Of course during that time, I was young and thought it wasn't "cool" but I always remembered that "bow bow bow bow" and never quite knew who sang it or what album it was on. I couldn't quite put my finger on it. So when i bought rumours and it opened up, I was so happy. I also love the harmonies on this song.

and the best line (harmonies and lyrically)-"been down so long, i've been tossed around enough....."

It's one of my favorites on the album and seldomly skip it. :)

forgot to add also-on the SYW tour my a$$ was up dancing around as well.

I also love the guitar solo at the end

[chiliD]

It's one of my favorites on the album and seldomly skip it. :)

People SKIP songs on Rumours??? :eek: As much as I'm burnt out on the album and currently just loathe the album...I never skip(ped) ANYTHING on it.

[michelle2677]

I skip oh daddy. :o

But I don't listen to rumours that often either, because I have all the songs on my playlist. As a matter of fact, I just busted it out the other day and have been listening to it. But I still skip Oh Daddy.:)

[aleuzzi]

I skip oh daddy. :o


I can't walk away from that song--even if I tried. :o

[GODDESS6]

i was around 9-10 when this song came out & thought it was a "naughty" song:nod: :lol: :lol: ~ i absolutely LUV, LUV this song~ love to see it done live~

[DrummerDeanna]

I f**king LOVE this song. No matter what - when I hear that opening it makes me smile. It's just a great little song...and it makes me happy :D

[JazmenFlowers]

I love this song. I think I actually like live versions better than the album version. this song and Blue Letter are so much fun...kind of the same way as Paper Doll...I don't really read too much into it, just makes me feel like a "dancehall girl" - oh, and I always do the little Stevie tambo dance during this song and Blue Letter, but then, you already knew that. :D

[skcin]

The thing that always sticks with me about this song was reading an article in Crawdaddy magazine about the upcoming Fleetwood Mac album entitled Yesterday's Gone and the opening "untitled track with vaguely pornographic lyrics".

That is pretty amusing.

So - has LB himself ever confirmed or denied the tall grass rumour? Damn, I wish he'd do a Q&A. :laugh:

[DrummerDeanna]

I skip oh daddy. :o

But I don't listen to rumours that often either, because I have all the songs on my playlist. As a matter of fact, I just busted it out the other day and have been listening to it. But I still skip Oh Daddy.:)

So do I. I can't STAND oh daddy - but that's mostly for personal reasons..nothing against Christine. I'm also not a huge sugar daddy fan, though that one I can at least tolerate - whereas oh daddy - always gets skipped.

[BTFLCHLD]

Paula, can you tell me what the "tall grass" theory is?

[DavidMn]

I can't walk away from that song--even if I tried. :oBadump-bump.:lol:

[Peestie]

I love this song. When I bought Rumours I only knew Dreams and The Chain from when my mum would play them. [I always remembered the "Thunder only happens..." line from when I saw small and it would pop into my head every now and then even though I hadn't heard it in years.]

Second Hand News immediately became one of my favourite tracks on the album. I think maybe because I could relate to the lyrics especially well when I first heard it, but also because, musically it is, IMO, a great song. It's not overly complex but it isn't completely simple either. It was also a very cool arrangement. The ending is fantastic and the short, intense guitar solo at the end just end the song perfectly. Like all the songs on Rumours it has a great emotional charge to it but I always found Lindsey's songs connect with me the best.

Simply a fantastic song. 5 Stars from me.

[elie]

Love this song. I mean really love it. It's upbeat, it's fun, and as Paula said, it rocks live. I loved the LIB version.

PS Concerning the 'tall grass" rumour: could you please fill me in ? I am not sure I understand the double entente :o (please remember I 'm not a native speaker!!)

[skcin]

I've heard that tall grass is referring to...er...well...pubic hair. :o So "lay me down in the tall grass & let me do my stuff" could mean "would you just shut the hell up, lay down & let me bang you." In theory. If it's true. Which it may or may not be. I don't know.

Or maybe LB is just a nature lover & wants to get down on the ground in a grassy field & look for wildlife. :shrug:

[HomerMcvie]

I've heard that tall grass is referring to...er...well...pubic hair. :o

Ewww. I think THIS just ruined the song for me. Who came up with this theory? I've never heard pubes called GRASS!

[strandinthewind]

I have always thought he refered to performing cunnilingus :shrug:

[skcin]

^ I've heard that version too. Either way - sounds pervy. :D

The pube thing - I heard it from a friend who says his dad told him he had heard that when Rumours had just come out.

[strandinthewind]

^ I've heard that version too. Either way - sounds pervy. :D

The pube thing - I heard it from a friend who says his dad told him he had heard that when Rumours had just come out.

Does this mean La Nicks has no treasure trail and lets her forest grow wild :eek: :wavey:

[HomerMcvie]

^ I've heard that version too. Either way - sounds pervy. :D

The pube thing - I heard it from a friend who says his dad told him he had heard that when Rumours had just come out.

Sounds like that friend's Dad might be a little pervy himself!:lol:

[bikerchic]

Ok, since I'm not a perv like the rest of you :rolleyes: Is it possible that Lindsey actually may have meant "tall grass"? Like grass? Like in a field? After all, it was the 70's, and they were hippies. I alway pictured them running through a field, holding hands, Stevie with her long, floral, flowy dress with a daisy in her hair. Lindsey with his long, dark, curly locks. Innocently laying down in the tall grass and making out? Isn't that possible? Thats what I always thought it was. You pervs :distress:

[skcin]

^ Yes, of course that could be it. Or the other thing. Bitch. :wavey:

For the record, I didn't say I thought that was the meaning, I had just heard the rumour.

[bikerchic]

I do have to admit, the first time I heard that song, back in '77, I thought, ohhhhh, that parts naughty :o :wavey:

[HomerMcvie]

For the record, I didn't say I thought that was the meaning, I had just heard the rumour.

See, I never said that I thought that was the meaning, either.
So WHO's got the pervy mind here, Bikerchic?:shrug:
You're convicting us without comprehending the meaning of our posts.

[bikerchic]

You're convicting us without comprehending the meaning of our posts.

There's meaning to your posts? :laugh:

Sidenote: I was joking ;)

[elie]

Ok, first of all, Skcin, thanks for clearing things out, as pervert as the rumour was. :lol:
I had never thought of that, (when you first said there was a a double meaning I thought it might mean something like:"let me lay down in a field and smoke some grass" or something:shrug: )

Either way, the "hippie" theory by Bikerchic rings more true to me. I never thought of LB as a "metaphor" sort of guy.

[jannieC]

I hope Lindsey gave the Bee Gees some credit in the royalties department.

I think I remember him saying somewhere (at some point- the interviews become all mingled for me) that he was influenced by the Bee Gees' song Jive Talkin' (my favorite of theirs).

I actually love this song nd I remember bouncing around to it during gym class. Our gym teacher used to play it while we did "aerobics." :lol:

I'd rather not think of the tall grass as pubic hair. It should have been "short grass" in that case. I'm thinking it's the whole tall grass in a field having-nature-sex. Don't burst my bubble. :rolleyes:

[JunkFoodGenius]

This is one of my top picks from Rumours, if not the top. It's energetic, naughty (yeah, I went there) and I like the idea of someone thinking, "You know...screw it. I'm just singing the guitar part!"

I have a copy of Lindsey doing this song by himself on the radio and it's one of my most listened to tracks.

It being the first on Rumours always said to me, "Lay down and hold on tight, I'm going to rock your world. The world's greatest lover is here." (Again with the naughty.)

As an aside, this is not a song to do at karaoke. That's my cautionary tale. Learn from my mistakes.

[amber]

and I like the idea of someone thinking, "You know...screw it. I'm just singing the guitar part!"

:lol: :lol:
Yeah. I love doing that, too - difference being I don't have a guitar, whereas LB does.


As an aside, this is not a song to do at karaoke. That's my cautionary tale. Learn from my mistakes.

I'm too busy being jealous you have that song at karaoke to possibly learn from anything.

[JunkFoodGenius]

Yeah. I love doing that, too - difference being I don't have a guitar, whereas LB does.

So nice of Lindsey to think of those who can't play guitar!

To stray slightly off topic, my local karaoke joint that has a really good selection of FM songs - and Lindsey's songs. I don't think they have Go Insane, but they do have Soul Drifter and Countdown. I remain upset that they do not have Angel, but they do have Sugar Daddy. The selection takes a good third of the page...and it includes Second Hand News.

The rest of the joints I've been to...Dreams and Rhiannon.

For anyone in LA...the place is Boardwalk 11.

[HomerMcvie]

As an aside, this is not a song to do at karaoke. That's my cautionary tale. Learn from my mistakes.

The "A" at the end, on "neeeeeews" CAN be hard to hit, especially if you're tired.

[JunkFoodGenius]

I had a Guinness handicap, myself...

[michelle2677]

o.k. I had to bring this thread up because I completely forgot about this story :laugh:

every year I go to Louisville in april for our state dental meeting. This particular year (about 7 ago :laugh: ) I had just discovered fleetwood mac and bought Rumours. The friend who got me interested into the mac was going to the meeting with me and we listened to the cd the whole way down there. Well, I brought a stereo, and we listened to SHN over and over and over and over. She had never heard it and immediately liked it. I think we played that damn song until about 3 in the morning until the "neighbors" were banging on the wall, and eventually called the front desk on us :o