"It Was You" - beautiful song / shipper's nightmare?

[xxxmx]

anyone actually listen to the lyrics on this one? it's a beautiful song that i don't have the time to type out, but it definitely puts the nails in the S&L coffin.

any interps on the new songs?

[TwistedGypsy]

I said the same thing on 7Wonders. My dreams are crushed but I will always have the memories.
http://buckinghamnicks.net/bn/images/SnLSYWTB04.jpg

http://buckinghamnicks.net/bn/images/SnLToday07.jpg

http://buckinghamnicks.net/bn/images/SnLAA09.jpg

http://buckinghamnicks.net/bn/images/SnLBV05.JPG

http://buckinghamnicks.net/bn/images/SnLJLSydney04.jpg

http://buckinghamnicks.net/bn/images/SnLLuxSydneyIntimacy.jpg

Those were the days....:distress:

[Peestie]

I thought they were really nice lyrics. It's nice to get something like that from Lindsey. Shows he really loves his wife and kids.

Having said that, I hope that not all his songs become like this in the future! A few songs is cool, but I like the angsty Lindsey!

[Kelly]

I guess everyone interpret's songs differently..:shrug: The lyrics don't affect my feelings about SnL either way. Very nice sentiment about his children though. I like CastAway Dreams and Show You How alot more....they seem more "Lindsey". The lyrics sound more like stuff he usually writes.

[mondaymornin1]

I just finished listening to the mp3s while jogging (yeah, I'm a nerd...I listen to Lindsey while jogging, 'k?), and I heard his childrens' names in the lyrics...so cool!

I figured the song was for Kristen the first time I listened to it, but I didn't hear the kids' names 'til today. I had to log on and see if anyone else heard it. :laugh: Love the song more than ever now, but "Cast Away Dreams" is still my fave among the "new" three!

Yeppers, pretty much puts the ol' nail in the S & L coffin, eh?;)

[nichora]

Yep I'm in agreement 'It was you' was for Kristen, as is 'Show you how'??

I think both songs have a happy upbeat feel to them that I've not heard in Lindsey's songs in a long time.

I've been listening and loving 'Cast Away Dreams'! :]

I've read peoples views as to what this song is about. Isn't it about mortality. Dying and Leaving his young family??

[Sahara]

and I heard his childrens' names in the lyrics...so cool!



Oh man, really?! *runs off to listen, argh, been out of the loop the last few days*

[shackin'up]

any interps on the new songs?

yeah. they are all about Stevie. so obvious. the guy is obsessed.

[goldie]

I'm dyin' here! And now maybe a little depressed! A nail in the S&L coffin? Anyone have lyrics to post yet?

[DESTINYRU!ES]

wwwooooohhhh! How did you download/make mp3 flies to take jogging from the shockwave files posted at Lindsey's site?

I'm a nerd too and like to jogg to mr.buckingham. I'd like to take these new songs with me on the go. I already preordered the cd at amazon so it's not stealing them... thanks for the methods in advance.

[mondaymornin1]

wwwooooohhhh! How did you download/make mp3 flies to take jogging from the shockwave files posted at Lindsey's site?

I'm a nerd too and like to jogg to mr.buckingham. I'd like to take these new songs with me on the go. I already preordered the cd at amazon so it's not stealing them... thanks for the methods in advance.


Yay, another nerd!

Look in the thread about listening to UTS tracks on Lindsey's site. There is a post that has the mp3 links---that's how I got 'em.

I've preordered two cds from the Atlanta and Nashville ticket presales yesterday, and I'll probably buy one on October 3rd since those preorders most likely won't ship 'til that day...so I ain't stealing, either! :D

Christmas gifts, lovely Christmas gifts...

[xxxmx]

I'm dyin' here! And now maybe a little depressed! A nail in the S&L coffin? Anyone have lyrics to post yet?

yeah, i had these songs on loop today between classes and during the kids' bellwork. i've had plenty of time to obsess. i've also had plenty of wine so eff it with the chorus on It Was You...

It Was You

every day now
how the time has flown
every day now
i'm finally home
because i waited for a woman who was true
i waited for a woman - it was you

we would be too late
...
a future i couldn't see
the past is gone, william's here

lover we'll watch him grow every day now
i can hear the sound every day now
love is all around
because i waited for a woman who was true
i waited for a woman - it was you

we had to wait
wouldn't be too late
the past is gone
leelee's here

back in 99
our love...
...
past is gone, stella's here

Cast Away Dreams

holy night - visionary sight
there's been a change in plans
gone away - the dark cannot stay
i hope you'll understand

i won't be home tonight
i'll just slip out of sight
lay down my visionary eyes
dancing on my cast away dreams

keep yourself out of sight
farewell to the wishes that died
look for me in the morning light
dancing on my cast away dreams

magic one - all our dreams are done
i have no faith today
sun will rise in your newborn eyes
just let them slip away

i won't be home tonight
i'll just slip out of sight
lay down my visionary eyes
dancing on my cast away dreams

keep yourself out of sight
farewell to the wishes that died
look for me in the morning light
dancing on my cast away dreams

it would do no good to drown in the sea
where no one remembers their name and nothing is free
hearts will break with choices we must make
so sweetly dream of me

i won't be home tonight
i'll just slip out of sight
lay down my visionary eyes
dancing on my cast away dreams

keep yourself out of sight
farewell to teh wishes that died
lok for me in the morning light
dancing on my cast away dreams

look for me in the morning light
dancing on my cast away dreams

[DESTINYRU!ES]

Thanks for the path to those mp3s. I had a long nerdy run with my man buckingham. It was an orgasmic experience. Can't wait to see him live.

[goldie]

Thank you for those lyrics! Now I am TOTALLY depressed. I never thought this day would come! You know, where he'd write such a touching & loving song about his wife and kids. :( ;)

[desertangel]

Maybe his wife would be pissed if he didn't write a song about the family, then he'd have to go buy her another big honkin diamond bracelet and she might have another kid. Imagine the child support payments. ;) :lol: :lol:

If he's happy, I'm happy. And I'm glad S&L aren't at each other's throats anymore.

[catinthedark]

yeah, i had these songs on loop today between classes and during the kids' bellwork. i've had plenty of time to obsess. i've also had plenty of wine so eff it with the chorus on It Was You...

It Was You

every day now
how the time has flown
every day now
i'm finally home
because i waited for a woman who was true
i waited for a woman - it was you

we would be too late
...
a future i couldn't see
the past is gone, william's here

lover we'll watch him grow every day now
i can hear the sound every day now
love is all around
because i waited for a woman who was true
i waited for a woman - it was you

we had to wait
wouldn't be too late
the past is gone
leelee's here

back in 99
our love...
...
past is gone, stella's here



that's so lovely - without being over the top cheesy. i do love the sentiment of "past is gone... william (leelee, stella)'s here." it's the acknowledgement of his past, his obvious past with stevie, but such a strong message to kristen. i haven't heard the actual song yet, but i will... thanks for posting the lyrics.

[goldie]

Maybe his wife would be pissed if he didn't write a song about the family, then he'd have to go buy her another big honkin diamond bracelet and she might have another kid. Imagine the child support payments. ;) :lol: :lol:

If he's happy, I'm happy. And I'm glad S&L aren't at each other's throats anymore.

:)

Yeah, I bet Kristen told him he HAD to write a clear song about her, because she was tired of everyone thinking he was still writing about Stevie. :lol:

I wonder what Stevie thinks/would think of this song?? (or who cares, right?)

[irishgrl]

I just want to say that I find it extremely ODD that Lindsey has to "say goodbye" yet AGAIN.......this makes what? 2, 3 times?......Methinks he doth protest too much :nod:

nail in the shipper coffin? Time will tell.....

[skcin]

I've been listening to the CD almost every day since I got it, and I must say this song is one of my favorites. :nod: It's a beautiful to his wife & family, IMO.

[sara1998]

I've been listening to the CD almost every day since I got it, and I must say this song is one of my favorites. :nod: It's a beautiful to his wife & family, IMO.

Yes, it's one of my faves on there.

[strandinthewind]

I think it is way too sappy for me and the lyrics are trite.

I also think he wrote it when K told him to stop lusting after Stevie and also banging skanks on the road during the SYW tour.

Lord Child I am contrary today :laugh:

[Sarah]

it's one of my favorites, also.

i loved it live! he was totally stoked to sing his kids' names.

[henryscutter]

While I think Stevie and Lindsey have a lot of chemistry ( personal and musical) I think they have way too many issues to ever live in the same house together. I think Stevie is happy that Lindsey has kids and someone that loves him ( or his money ) and she likes how that has changed his personality. If you saw the Gold Dust Tour it was obvious Stevie was'nt thinking about Lindsey, she had the look of a satisfied woman:xoxo:

[michelle2677]

I absolutely loved this song, but mostly for the shot out to his kids. I thought it was very sweet!!

[Sorceress]

I think it is way too sappy for me and the lyrics are trite.

I also think he wrote it when K told him to stop lusting after Stevie and also banging skanks on the road during the SYW tour.

Lord Child I am contrary today :laugh:

Well, I'm contrary too then, because I think this song is the one that reviewer was refering too when he said some of the lyrics on the album rivaled bad high school poetry. Yes, trite and sappy is the perfect description.

Having said that, there is something catchy to it and it's not horrible live. I still think it's awful, but sometimes I can't get it out of my head.

[DrummerDeanna]

Stevie and Lindsey - nevah gonna happen. Sorry - it's just over. Done - romantically I mean.

I liked this song a lot when I first heard it, it just gave me such a warm feeling....

[irishgrl]

Stevie and Lindsey - nevah gonna happen. Sorry - it's just over. Done - romantically I mean.

I liked this song a lot when I first heard it, it just gave me such a warm feeling....

I still say time will tell. they aint dead YET people, and life has been known to take strange turns with these two before. :nod:

[ThrownDown]

Over between Stevie and Lindsey?? Never! If history is his guide, he can't help but repeat it....and repeat it....and repeat it!

[mylittledemon]

Over between Stevie and Lindsey?? Never! If history is his guide, he can't help but repeat it....and repeat it....and repeat it!

It's over in a sexual sense between them. Hell, they probably havent knocked boots since the 1980s. I don't think their relationship will ever end though.

[irishgrl]

It's over in a sexual sense between them. Hell, they probably havent knocked boots since the 1980s. I don't think their relationship will ever end though.



you can make babies with anyone. But CHEMISTRY? that only comes along "once in a million years". And even tho Lindsey has proclaimed (yet AGAIN) that he's Never Going Back Again, Saying Goodbye, Cast[ing] away Dreams ETC...I happen to believe that COME said it best: "said I put God away but I just can't let her go....." so, I dont think the solution to the Stevie/Lindsey equation is necessarily sex, but rather that SOUL connection that he sure as hell doesnt have with anyone else....and all the proclamations to the contrary are just sour grapes. (lets face it folks, you dont have to keep saying goodbye to something you dont give a **** about...)

[strandinthewind]

I have thought, and will always think, LB is the one who could not let go of La Nicks. I think he has chased her since 1977. I get that he dated other girls, but I think even when he hated her after TITN, he still was scheming in some manner to get her back. Then, he got her back during The Dance and she was unable to deal with his mania and the fact that K got pregnant. I think that after K got pregnant, LB tried to behave, but could not. Now, naybe he is behaving. But, the question is for how long? And, this has more to do with his obsession over La Nicks than any actions by her to facilitate that.

Just my $0.02

[Carolina Girl]

Back to the song...It is very catchy, and it makes me smile every time I hear it, especially after seeing him sing it live. He was clearly loving it!!

[skcin]

It's stuck in my head today. It makes me happy. :D

[dontlookdown]

It Was You -
definitely has nothing to do with Stevie Nicks.
This is clearly a song that just celebrates the very cool "thing" you go through when you wake up one day and realize how amazing the kids you create are.
And how that all relates to the relationship that produced the children.

I think it's a little creepy when fans continue to create this mystique between Lindsey and Stevie. They broke up 30 years ago and Lindsey has had many girlfriends since then. Sure they have a history together that shows itself when they record and tour - but come on people, this guy is clearly in love with his wife and kids. Let him celebrate that without it having to relate back to Stevie Nicks. Time has marched on and thankfully Lindsey has continued to grow with time, rather then get stuck in some creepy time warp in the late 70's. I love these new songs and I honestly think they have very little to do with Stevie Nicks. To me they clearly show the whole struggle between work and kids. Something that most artists (that have kids) go through all the time.

[strandinthewind]

^^^

Ummm - he is still harping on it :shrug:

I guess the horse's mouth isn't convincing enough though.

[BTFLCHLD]

I have thought, and will always think, LB is the one who could not let go of La Nicks. I think he has chased her since 1977. I get that he dated other girls, but I think even when he hated her after TITN, he still was scheming in some manner to get her back. Then, he got her back during The Dance and she was unable to deal with his mania and the fact that K got pregnant. I think that after K got pregnant, LB tried to behave, but could not. Now, naybe he is behaving. But, the question is for how long? And, this has more to do with his obsession over La Nicks than any actions by her to facilitate that. Just my $0.02 Where is the irritant thread. You are irritating the F out of me lately with your BS assumptions prefaced with "my opinion" "my thoughts" and "my 2cents"! Now it is your "thought" "opinion" that Lindsey is "behaving" and "for how long."

I mean really Jason. :eek:

:lol:

[Sarah]

I think this is all ridiculous bull****.

I take Lindsey's word.. read it in the liner notes. To "Kit" and the kids.. "You are my life."

I think any thoughts of Stevie on this record are purely relating to the work environment and nothing more. A little bit of reminisce in Donovan's TFTS, maybe.

Stick a fork in them. "They" are done.

[mondaymornin1]

I think this is all ridiculous bull****.

I take Lindsey's word.. read it in the liner notes. To "Kit" and the kids.. "You are my life."

I think any thoughts of Stevie on this record are purely relating to the work environment and nothing more. A little bit of reminisce in Donovan's TFTS, maybe.

Stick a fork in them. "They" are done.

:xoxo: Thank you.

I mean, seriously, I don't care. I personally wanted Lindsey for myself.

But that was just so well said.:thumbsup:

[Sugar]

Love this song.

And I have no doubt that Lindsey was the angry, heartbroken one after the breakup and that they may have been on and off again for years. However, I think when Lindsey left the band that was LARGELY his final say on the issue.

As far as the Dance is concerned I always thought that Lindsey was playing up the drama, or maybe even just getting wrapped up in the moment, but that it was Stevie that thought more was going on than there was (Fall From Grace anyone?).

And he may very well draw upon things with Stevie when he writes. They've known each other for a very long time, certainly many of his own experiences have Stevie wrapped up in them. I've wondered about no less than three references on UTS that just seem very Stevie to me. Doesn't mean they are or want to be involved romantically.

But I do think he's found some peace now. It may not be the monumental thing that he had with Stevie (which of course was so monumental in part because they shared artistic dreams, something Kristin can't compete with) but not necessarily less satisfying, especially for 57 year old Lindsey.

It always amazes me how much people think they are seeing into the private lives of two people by what those people do on stage in front of thousands of people. I realize some give other evidence to support their opinions, but what happens on stage often ends up as a big part of the argument.

This is, of course, just my opinion.

[Livia]

It always amazes me how much people think they are seeing into the private lives of two people by what those people do on stage in front of thousands of people.

Stevie admitted in that Australian article that what we saw between her and LB onstage was all an act. And if you don't believe that, then you must believe that she's screwing Don Henley and she and Tom Petty are also having a torrid affair. :lol:

[Kelly]

Stevie admitted in that Australian article that what we saw between her and LB onstage was all an act. And if you don't believe that, then you must believe that she's screwing Don Henley and she and Tom Petty are also having a torrid affair. :lol:

:rolleyes:

[dontlookdown]

thanks you for putting it so simply.


Despite how much some people are still hanging on to a cheesey soap opera, these two are business partners. Period. Sure they are musical partners but at the end of the day, they are essentially Fleetwood Mac and I think they take that very seriously.
If they still had issues about their relationship that was over 30 years ago, wouldn't you find that downright pathetic?

Take the music for what it is - in the here and now.
I'm not saying this sentiment applies to Stevie. She obviously does still try to ride the wave of the drama in the 70's, but I truly believe Lindsey had moved on. A long time ago. And that could be why his music is still startlingly current and inspiring.

[strandinthewind]

^^^^

Then why is he still bringing it up? I mean in every interview on this tour he does that :shrug:

I think it is silly that people get all up in arms about other people discussing their relationship or lack thereof when they themselves do it all of the time. To me, that's fair game. But, each their own I guess.

[Johnny Stew]

I don't care either way, because I think they're "better off apart" as Christine might say. But I thought I'd post this quote from Rolling Stone, circa 1997 (Lindsey & Kristen were apparently already together at this point, so go figure)....

"I think," says Buckingham, "some people are probably getting the impression that we are back together or something along those lines. Which is certainly not true. Not yet, anyway. You never know. I don't foresee that at all. But, you know things . . . "

So, in other words, Stevie's not the only one who plays up that old soap opera. :nod:

[Cour]

I also think he wrote it when K told him to stop lusting after Stevie and also banging skanks on the road during the SYW tour.


I have thought, and will always think, LB is the one who could not let go of La Nicks. I think he has chased her since 1977. I get that he dated other girls, but I think even when he hated her after TITN, he still was scheming in some manner to get her back. Then, he got her back during The Dance and she was unable to deal with his mania and the fact that K got pregnant. I think that after K got pregnant, LB tried to behave, but could not. Now, naybe he is behaving. But, the question is for how long? And, this has more to do with his obsession over La Nicks than any actions by her to facilitate that.



http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e49/redrover921/LB%20Pics/awwgeeze-1.jpg

[danax6]

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e49/redrover921/LB%20Pics/awwgeeze-1.jpgThat's the face I made when I saw your name pop up all of a sudden.

[Cour]

That's the face I made when I saw your name pop up all of a sudden.


I'm touched!

[irishgrl]

I have thought, and will always think, LB is the one who could not let go of La Nicks. I think he has chased her since 1977. I get that he dated other girls, but I think even when he hated her after TITN, he still was scheming in some manner to get her back. Then, he got her back during The Dance and she was unable to deal with his mania and the fact that K got pregnant. I think that after K got pregnant, LB tried to behave, but could not. Now, naybe he is behaving. But, the question is for how long? And, this has more to do with his obsession over La Nicks than any actions by her to facilitate that.

Just my $0.02
I'll see your two cents and raise you a DOLLAR!! Isnt it nice when we agree?:xoxo:

[irishgrl]

For the Record: I believe Lindsey loves his kids and LOVES being a dad. He may even believe Kristen has facilitated some sense of stability in his life and is grateful to her for it. Thats a pretty important contribution to someone's life, and Kristen deserves credit for helping Lindsey achieve one of his goals (to be a dad). As for the liner notes, no one would argue that Kristen and the kids ARE Lindsey's world.

That said, I still say that the man wouldnt have to KEEP on saying goodbye to something he supposedly didnt care about.....and then, his inexplicable bit about "mourning" when introducing Cast Away Dreams? The two of them can dance around the truth all they want to, but it isnt going away, and I agree with Jason, I think Lindsey cant help how he FEELS. He may intellectualize that he SHOULDNT Love Stevie, that he HAS moved on, but my money says he's repressing his true feelings and I suspect he's a pretty conflicted man where Stevie's concerned. Of course, this is only my opinion, but I think people dont change too radically, and Lindsey's had every other relationship crumble because of the "spectre of Stevie". Ultimately, only time will tell.

[WelshWitchPMD]

I think it is way too sappy for me and the lyrics are trite.




I can't really say that I am a fan of the song myself.:shrug: To be honest I think that there are only 2 songs that I like on the CD.

[BTFLCHLD]

I think it is silly that people get all up in arms about other people discussing their relationship or lack thereof when they themselves do it all of the time. Actually, personally, I do not think one way or the other about the S&L relationship past, present or future. And certainly thoughts don't occur to me of who Lindsey may have a boner for, why he may have one for them, nor do I predict if he is planning to do something about it. :shrug:

[Kelly]

I can't really say that I am a fan of the song myself.:shrug: To be honest I think that there are only 2 songs that I like on the CD.



I love the album but agree with Jason about It Was You. The lyrics are extremely trite, IMO. The sentiment about the children is beautiful but the rest of the song sounds so calculated to me. Just my opinion and I am sure most will disagree.

[irishgrl]

I love the album but agree with Jason about It Was You. The lyrics are extremely trite, IMO. The sentiment about the children is beautiful but the rest of the song sounds so calculated to me. Just my opinion and I am sure most will disagree.

on the bright side, I think its a safe bet it wont be clogging up the airwaves anytime soon :p

[Kelly]

on the bright side, I think its a safe bet it wont be clogging up the airwaves anytime soon :p

:laugh:

It does not flow with the other songs at all. Deep, dark, moody, intense lyrics and then bam, in your face with this poppy overly sappy tune. :rolleyes:

[MoonChilde]

And certainly thoughts don't occur to me of who Lindsey may have a boner for, why he may have one for them, nor do I predict if he is planning to do something about it. :shrug:


:lol: Well just to let ya know.Its me he's thinking about..:lol: and if we ever get in the same place.you bet your bootie he will be doing something about it..(with it).:lol: :lol:

[Boots]

It Was You -
definitely has nothing to do with Stevie Nicks.
This is clearly a song that just celebrates the very cool "thing" you go through when you wake up one day and realize how amazing the kids you create are.
And how that all relates to the relationship that produced the children.

I think it's a little creepy when fans continue to create this mystique between Lindsey and Stevie. They broke up 30 years ago and Lindsey has had many girlfriends since then. Sure they have a history together that shows itself when they record and tour - but come on people, this guy is clearly in love with his wife and kids. Let him celebrate that without it having to relate back to Stevie Nicks. Time has marched on and thankfully Lindsey has continued to grow with time, rather then get stuck in some creepy time warp in the late 70's. I love these new songs and I honestly think they have very little to do with Stevie Nicks. To me they clearly show the whole struggle between work and kids. Something that most artists (that have kids) go through all the time.


:thumbsup: YAY!!!!!!!! Very well put!! I'm glad it was said.:)

[Boots]

Although Lindsey has certainly moved on in his personal life, there are a few songs on the new album that sound as if he hasn't really moved on musically. There are some gems like "Someone's Got to Change Your Mind", "Shut Us Down", "I am Waiting", "Down on Rodeo", all Lindsey-esque songs that are shining examples of the quirky luciousness of Buckingham's unique style; however....

"It Was You" and "Try For the Sun", plus a few other tunes on that CD, evoke an faded "Tusk" bizareness, brimming with incoherent, echo, multilayered vocals that turn the sound to mush. Since it's being discussed in this thread, "It Was You" isn't very inspired, despite the family and child who inspired the words. I agree with those above, they are trite. I adored "Tusk". With the exception of a few tunes that bored me, I loved the album from the day it was released...it was (and is) like candy to me. But Lindsey needs to burst out of his sameness...the frenetic finger picking...the experimentation. Of course pushing envelopes the way LB has provides interesting music, but the experimentation on some of these new tracks dip into an old experiment - from 1979. LB's music lives beautifically when it balanced between his wonderful manical quirks, snappy lead solo that hits a nice hook or with lush guitar and singular vocals/harmonies. He did that with "My Little Demon" and "Bleed to Love Her'. Both songs were odd, but melodically gorgeous, with words that brought forth his emotions articulately. Also, the listener is rewarded with incredible choruses that hold delectible harmonies. Those examples show Linds living in that dream like state between sleep and wakefulness...or bizarre and sublime. He kind of misses it with some of the songs on Under the Skin.

I can't wait for the next album he has on deck - the louder one!

[Janet]

I'm dyin' here! And now maybe a little depressed! A nail in the S&L coffin? Anyone have lyrics to post yet?

Seriously?? I know it makes me sad...because in 1997 I was the BIGGEST shipper ever.

But I have given up on that long ago. It will never ever ever happen. Never.

[Janet]

Regarding Stevie and Lindsey. I start to wonder how real it all was. In the end...they went out a very short time and it was only dragged on because of the media for the most part and maybe a lot of drugs and alcohol.

The Dance was even bigger than it could have been because I believe a LOT of people, like me, saw something between Stevie and Lindsey. It was so hot to see them on stage and learn of their history. Their "love hate" relationship sold tickets.

But, though it breaks my heart, it was fake. It was all fake. They haven't considered each other in ages. They just played a game to sell tickets.

They are completely different people. Look who he married and look at Stevie...he didn't want Stevie at all.

It sucks...because I loved that magic but now I realize it's just fake. Oh well.

( but a tiny little part of me STILL wishes Stevie would release a bio and just admit that those two were all over each other until he met Kristin...LOL)

[Sarah]

I think we need to start considering WHEN the songs were written and done a little more.

SGCYM and DoR were written .. most likely.. wayyy before Show You How and It Was You, which share some characteristics to my ear. I am Waiting and TTFTS were recorded way before too. Shut Us Down.. no idea when that was actually written, but I'd guess it was around the Elizabethtown time since it's a co-write. So.. that leaves us with Not Too Late, Under the Skin, CAD, and Juniper.. which all have a very similar feeling, imo.

Truth be told, as much as I love SGCYM and DoR, I find myself skipping over them now because they don't fit the "feeling flow" and sound of the album. GoS didn't happen and I'm sad about that.. because had his SYW tracks been combined with some of the GoS demos, that would have been one hell of an album, but it didn't happen, and now, to my ear, SGCYM and DoR are a bit out of place. For the first.. oh.. 15 album listens, I was glad they're there. Now, 20+ listens later, they just don't match up at all for me.

Analyzing this album all as "one piece" and one idea does not make a lick of sense because we know it's been in the works forever and ever. And I think it's REALLY, REALLY unfair to say that SGCYM and DoR are the "gems" because it sounds most like what we've already heard! We're just USED to them because we've had them on the village recorder and GoS demos forever.

I still love them, but just like the SYW stuff, quite frankly, I'm over it in the "new" feeling way. And if the new acoustic bits are what Lindsey wants to represent where he's going now, fine by me, he's got my attention. We're always holding up the banner of "ohh our Lindsey is so inventive and new" then when he actually DOES something pretty different for himself we want to call the recycled stuff we've already heard the only gem. That makes the temperature of my fan blood start to rise a bit. Maybe not boil, but rise, definitely.

And back on topic of It Was You, it almost sounds Mirage to me. I love the harmonies that are buried in the chorus. Are the Law and Order songs trite? Excuse the man for making a shorty. I find it to be a shining moment of happiness on a cd otherwise filled with tones of sadness, despair, and search for hope. This is a reflection of his life, and it's the only window he REALLY gives us to look at it. Trite is just offensive, regardless of who likes the song or doesn't.

[stefan]

Truth be told, as much as I love SGCYM and DoR, I find myself skipping over them now because they don't fit the "feeling flow" and sound of the album. GoS didn't happen and I'm sad about that.. because had his SYW tracks been combined with some of the GoS demos, that would have been one hell of an album, but it didn't happen, and now, to my ear, SGCYM and DoR are a bit out of place. For the first.. oh.. 15 album listens, I was glad they're there. Now, 20+ listens later, they just don't match up at all for me.


Sarah, I thought about DOR the same way. I think it remains a great song but style-wise to me it is a difference. SGTYM though seems to fit perfectly imo. The reverb/echo sound of his voice, this hall-effect, is there in nearly every song.

I guess we now suffer from our GOS knowledge. To the most of us there now only were a couple of songs new. Therefore perhaps the flow of the album seems to be disturbed. With the exception of DOR, I think that is not the case for someone who hears the entire thing for the first time.

And the GOS album would have been great, yes. It wouldn`t have sold more, but that`s a different topic. In a way Murrow, Red Rover and Come have their wrong place on a FM album.

[Sarah]

In a way Murrow, Red Rover and Come have their wrong place on a FM album.

Agreed.

I love Mick & John being Lindsey's rhythm section.. but I wish they could do that under an individual setting, without the huge FM title. I'd love it if Lindsey's electric album was backed by Mick & John.. but I don't think the three will make a full album together ever, ever without it being called a FM project. The name just has all kinds of weight behind it.

[henryscutter]

Regarding Stevie and Lindsey. I start to wonder how real it all was. In the end...they went out a very short time and it was only dragged on because of the media for the most part and maybe a lot of drugs and alcohol.

The Dance was even bigger than it could have been because I believe a LOT of people, like me, saw something between Stevie and Lindsey. It was so hot to see them on stage and learn of their history. Their "love hate" relationship sold tickets.

But, though it breaks my heart, it was fake. It was all fake. They haven't considered each other in ages. They just played a game to sell tickets.

They are completely different people. Look who he married and look at Stevie...he didn't want Stevie at all.

It sucks...because I loved that magic but now I realize it's just fake. Oh well.

( but a tiny little part of me STILL wishes Stevie would release a bio and just admit that those two were all over each other until he met Kristin...LOL)

I think it is more like Stevie did'nt want him because of his O.C. personality, his ego, and need to control everything. So he hooked up with somebody who would put up with all that.

[StreetAngel86]

Yep I'm in agreement 'It was you' was for Kristen, as is 'Show you how'??

what's the interp of this song?
i just got the cd in the mail yesterday
and i LOVE the end chorus

how is he NOT talking about Stevie in that song
the 2 of them alone when the band went home
that is hot!

[Carolina Girl]

I think we need to start considering WHEN the songs were written and done a little more.

SGCYM and DoR were written .. most likely.. wayyy before Show You How and It Was You, which share some characteristics to my ear. I am Waiting and TTFTS were recorded way before too. Shut Us Down.. no idea when that was actually written, but I'd guess it was around the Elizabethtown time since it's a co-write. So.. that leaves us with Not Too Late, Under the Skin, CAD, and Juniper.. which all have a very similar feeling, imo.

Truth be told, as much as I love SGCYM and DoR, I find myself skipping over them now because they don't fit the "feeling flow" and sound of the album. GoS didn't happen and I'm sad about that.. because had his SYW tracks been combined with some of the GoS demos, that would have been one hell of an album, but it didn't happen, and now, to my ear, SGCYM and DoR are a bit out of place. For the first.. oh.. 15 album listens, I was glad they're there. Now, 20+ listens later, they just don't match up at all for me.

Analyzing this album all as "one piece" and one idea does not make a lick of sense because we know it's been in the works forever and ever. And I think it's REALLY, REALLY unfair to say that SGCYM and DoR are the "gems" because it sounds most like what we've already heard! We're just USED to them because we've had them on the village recorder and GoS demos forever.

I still love them, but just like the SYW stuff, quite frankly, I'm over it in the "new" feeling way. And if the new acoustic bits are what Lindsey wants to represent where he's going now, fine by me, he's got my attention. We're always holding up the banner of "ohh our Lindsey is so inventive and new" then when he actually DOES something pretty different for himself we want to call the recycled stuff we've already heard the only gem. That makes the temperature of my fan blood start to rise a bit. Maybe not boil, but rise, definitely.

And back on topic of It Was You, it almost sounds Mirage to me. I love the harmonies that are buried in the chorus. Are the Law and Order songs trite? Excuse the man for making a shorty. I find it to be a shining moment of happiness on a cd otherwise filled with tones of sadness, despair, and search for hope. This is a reflection of his life, and it's the only window he REALLY gives us to look at it. Trite is just offensive, regardless of who likes the song or doesn't.

I was thinking about that just this morning: how IWY compares to some of his other songs, lyrically, and wondering why some consider IWY to be trite. I was thinking trite meant trivial, of little consequence, and this was the reason that some don't care for the song. But the dictionary tells me that trite means worn out by constant use, no longer having freshness.

In any case, I don't find the song trivial or worn out. Although it's short and repetitive, it's not trivial. As for worn out, the only part of the song I dislike is the very beginning. Every time it starts, I almost get ready to skip it till I remember that it's IWY.

As for DOR, SGCYM, and TFTS, I love those songs and think they are extremely well done, but I tend to skip them. My own fault, because I listened to the GOS songs way too much. So I'm somewhat done with them for now. I still appreciate them, but right now I'm liking the "new" stuff.

[Sarah]

Although it's short and repetitive, it's not trivial. As for worn out, the only part of the song I dislike is the very beginning. Every time it starts, I almost get ready to skip it till I remember that it's IWY.



Heh. That's funny. I love the way he says "every day nahhh..day nahhh", so I end up skipping back and listening to the beginning a couple times then going on with the rest of the song.

I guess I just like the Lindsey accent, and how "now" doesn't sound like "now" at all. :o

I guess it's unfair for me to say I'm "tired" of the GoS songs. I'm not any more "tired" of them than I am the rest of his solo career.. I guess I'm just still in mode to listen to the newest stuff and figure it out as well as I know the others. I mean, I've heard the other songs so many times that I hear every little bitty sound and can pick out each and every piece of the harmonies. So really, I guess I'm just starting to put aside the tracks I already know and really start burning the new ones into my brain.

[Carolina Girl]

Heh. That's funny. I love the way he says "every day nahhh..day nahhh", so I end up skipping back and listening to the beginning a couple times then going on with the rest of the song.

I guess I just like the Lindsey accent, and how "now" doesn't sound like "now" at all. :o


I'm ok once he starts singing. It's something about the sound of whatever he is beating on at the very beginning.

As for his "accent," that's our Linds! Just so he doesn't overdo it, ala "Turn It On." :lol:

[Janet]

I think it is more like Stevie did'nt want him because of his O.C. personality, his ego, and need to control everything. So he hooked up with somebody who would put up with all that.

Depending on which way you look at it. They both have said horrible things about each other. They both went thru a lot of relationships and in the end, they are totally different people.

I just think that Lindsey really wanted a family and even if Stevie was perfect for him in time...she could never give him that.

[desertangel]

Sarah, I thought about DOR the same way. I think it remains a great song but style-wise to me it is a difference. SGTYM though seems to fit perfectly imo. The reverb/echo sound of his voice, this hall-effect, is there in nearly every song.

I guess we now suffer from our GOS knowledge. To the most of us there now only were a couple of songs new. Therefore perhaps the flow of the album seems to be disturbed. With the exception of DOR, I think that is not the case for someone who hears the entire thing for the first time.

And the GOS album would have been great, yes. It wouldn`t have sold more, but that`s a different topic. In a way Murrow, Red Rover and Come have their wrong place on a FM album.

This is true. I never heard any of the GOS songs, save for a small bit of DOR very early on and only once. So the whole of UTS is new to me and therefore, sounds cohesive to my ears. I try not to listen to pre release demos because I cherish my CDs and want them to be fresh and new for as long as possible. Perhaps that's one reason I'm not a big demo fiend. Although I don't mind listening to the demos after the fact, as more of a historical reference. Believe me, it takes a lot of will power to NOT listen to early cut demos. So when you were a kid did you peek at your wrapped Christmas packages when they were under the tree? ;)

[henryscutter]

Depending on which way you look at it. They both have said horrible things about each other. They both went thru a lot of relationships and in the end, they are totally different people.

I just think that Lindsey really wanted a family and even if Stevie was perfect for him in time...she could never give him that.

My point is even if she was perfect for him in time, he isnt perfect for her. I truly think she is happy he is married and she does'nt care about ever getting back together with him.