Silver Springs on Rumours

[michelle2677]

Had Silver Springs been on Rumours would it have been the number one album of all time (in your opinion)?

Well, the reason I ask this is because-was it just the visual of stevie pointing her finger and tossing lindsey dirty looks that captured the essence of the song and made it so popular, or would it had been just as successful without the video and made rumours even more popular. I know there is really no way to answer this, but just your opinion.

also, I almost posted this in stevie forum, but I knew everyone would say "of course!!! " teehee..and I wanted a more unbiased approach. I personally thought It probably would have since it has more to it than "I don't want to know" but just for sh*ts and giggles :)

[strandinthewind]

Have you ever heard the two live recordings of it from that era. It puts The Dance version to shame with the intensity. Oh for a video!!!!!

[michelle2677]

no I havent'!!! But I have a lot of boots I havent listened to, so I'll go home and take a look (hopefully listen)

are there vids out there??? *hoping**hoping*

[strandinthewind]

If I have time, I'll post the audio this evening. Tres Killer!!!!

[michelle2677]

thank you !!:xoxo:

[amber]

If I have time, I'll post the audio this evening. Tres Killer!!!!

Even the recorded demo endings that we heard with the re-release were awesome, never mind how awesome they were live. IMO. :shrug: I think it would have been a hit, and I think Rumours would have sold just as many, if not more. Chicks love the whole "never get away from the sound of the woman that loves you" thing. :laugh:

[chiliD]

Before the album was released, "Silver Springs", despite being the single's "B-side", got nearly as much airplay as "Go Your Own Way". But, no, I don't think it would've changed sales numbers that much had it been included on the album. I mean, how much MORE popular could it have gotten? Even the band itself still thinks its their only album after nearly 30 years.

I DO think it was a shame (and borderline criminal) that it wasn't included on the original CD release of Rumours as a bonus track, though.

[foxyluva]

I think the album sold as much as it was ever going to sell. Everyone that would have ever considered purchasing 'Rumours' probably already did. But, if 'Silver Springs' had been released as a single, the band would probably have another hit under their belt....

Comment: I think "Silver Springs" is on of the greatest Fleetwood Mac songs ever, and my favourite Stevie song of all time :D

[amber]

Before the album was released, "Silver Springs", despite being the single's "B-side", got nearly as much airplay as "Go Your Own Way". But, no, I don't think it would've changed sales numbers that much had it been included on the album. I mean, how much MORE popular could it have gotten? Even the band itself still thinks its their only album after nearly 30 years.

I DO think it was a shame (and borderline criminal) that it wasn't included on the original CD release of Rumours as a bonus track, though.

Wow, I didn't know that! I wonder if some people thought, perhaps much later, "I remember hearing this really pretty song...I thought it was FM, but I haven't heard it ever again!" Because that is what I would have thought. Also, I really had never, ever heard it until the re-release. You know, on the radio, or anywhere. I know fans probably had it, but....
I agree, it should have been on the original. Oh, the time lost...It certainly is an exceptional song.

[chiliD]

But, if 'Silver Springs' had been released as a single...


{ahem!} It WAS :shrug: ...but it was the "B-side". Now, if they would've marketed it a bit, maybe. Again, you have to remember that "hit radio" only played 3 (or shorter) minute songs..."Silver Springs" clocked in at over 5...and other than "Hey Jude", "American Pie", & "Light My Fire", there really haven't been "Hit singles" that were over 5 minutes in length. "Hey Jude" was the only one of the three that didn't get "edited", but the DJ would talk over and crossfade into the next song well before the song actually ended. So, there was a definite bias against those long songs...and then from a GIRL singer? Wasn't going to happen.

[foxyluva]

{ahem!} It WAS :shrug: ...but it was the "B-side".

I didn't realise that B-Sides were considered 'singles'....

[chiliD]

I didn't realise that B-Sides were considered 'singles'....

Well, you buy a single ( "the little record with the big hole" )...it has two sides...therefore, both sides are the single. Only radio programmers and promotion people decide what the "A" & "B" sides are. I would have bet that had "Silver Springs" been on the album, the "Go Your Own Way"/"Silver Springs" single would've been classified as a "Double A" side single (in the same way that The Beatles "Day Tripper"/"We Can Work It Out" single and "Something"/"Come Together" singles were) and both songs would've continued to get massive airplay. When the album came out WITHOUT "Silver Springs", that killed its airplay (why promote a song that isn't on the album?) and "Go Your Own Way" continued to get double the airplay after that.

[foxyluva]

Well, you buy a single ( "the little record with the big hole" )...it has two sides...

Im a little offended - I do know what "45s are :laugh:

Thanks for the info.....

[chiliD]

Im a little offended

:sorry: didn't mean to. :o

[trackaghost]

I didn't realise that B-Sides were considered 'singles'....


I don't consider a B-side a single either. And when GYOW charted I'm pretty certain chart rundowns only mentioned GYOW and not the song on the flipside.

[JazmenFlowers]

I agree that it may not have changed the sales of Rumours, but I think it would've been a number 1 hit.

[DavidMn]

If I have time, I'll post the audio this evening. Tres Killer!!!!I second that! theyre both fantastic!

[larg]

There's a classic rock station here in Maine that plays the original recording of Silver Springs from time to time. :) It also plays Lindsey's song, Trouble, and Bob Welch's Ebony Eyes. SOMEONE there is a FM fan!!

Adam

[michelle2677]

If I have time, I'll post the audio this evening. Tres Killer!!!!


ok, so I actually had both of these. Kansas City and Milwaukee right?? I listened to both of them. I LOVE KC. I get chills on my legs, people!!! When she says "I KNOW I could have loved you" at about 3:31 in the song is awesome. The trill in her voice almost makes me cry.

Milwaukee wasn't all that. It was very slow and mournful. Not very "following you down-like" :laugh: But on a high note of this version-I love stevie's use of "well" so much. She does it in other songs. It's like.."well..your ass better listen up because I'm getting ready to say something important!!!

[carrie721]

ok, so I actually had both of these. Kansas City and Milwaukee right?? I listened to both of them. I LOVE KC. I get chills on my legs, people!!! When she says "I KNOW I could have loved you" at about 3:31 in the song is awesome. The trill in her voice almost makes me cry.

Milwaukee wasn't all that. It was very slow and mournful. Not very "following you down-like" :laugh: But on a high note of this version-I love stevie's use of "well" so much. She does it in other songs. It's like.."well..your ass better listen up because I'm getting ready to say something important!!!

well, to be fair to the milwaukee performance, i think that tape may be slowed down. in addition to being a slower tempo, it's also about a half-step lower.

[michelle2677]

well, it also seems very shaky to me. Like, she cant decide if she wants to sing it high or low. I'm assuming it was the first live performance?? So maybe she was a little nervous. :shrug:

[carrie721]

well, it also seems very shaky to me. Like, she cant decide if she wants to sing it high or low. I'm assuming it was the first live performance?? So maybe she was a little nervous. :shrug:

could be. i agree that the KC show is better.

[editormarf]

If I have time, I'll post the audio this evening. Tres Killer!!!!

If you could do that, I'd be eternally grateful!:blob1: It's one of my all-time favorites of hers:)

Thanks! Martha

[strandinthewind]

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=CBFD358B379A9913&[email protected]

Here is one!

She is greatness on this!

[ragandbone]

I wonder if some people thought, perhaps much later, "I remember hearing this really pretty song...I thought it was FM, but I haven't heard it ever again!"
Yep, that's my story! I remembered the song from the radio when I was a kid, and hunted for it when I got a little older(teenage) and I finally bought a japanese import single. I couldn't forget the "follow you down till the sound..." part. It was just stuck in my head all those years.

[editormarf]

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=CBFD358B379A9913&[email protected]

Here is one!

She is greatness on this!

Thank you, my Mac friend. :] This is fabulous! :blob2:

[michelle2677]

^^Isn't it though? I've been listening to it non-stop. I made my friend listen to it all the way to Nashville yesterday. :lol:

[bikerchic]

Thanks for posting this. Did she perform this song on the whole tour and if so why is there no video out there of a SS performance?

[SpyNote]

I remember radio playing Silver Springs a lot in my area (K101 FM in San Francisco) when I was growing up. They always mentioned how it got booted off Rumours.

[gldstwmn]

Even the recorded demo endings that we heard with the re-release were awesome, never mind how awesome they were live. IMO. :shrug: I think it would have been a hit, and I think Rumours would have sold just as many, if not more. Chicks love the whole "never get away from the sound of the woman that loves you" thing. :laugh:

I prefer "Ill follow you down 'til the sound of my voice will haunt you" part. :lol:

[strandinthewind]

And - on the piano demo - she clearly says "I cast a spell on you - you won't forget me"

[tdfwiner]

anyone have a copy of the Milwaukee version that they can upload?

[mylittledemon]

Had Silver Springs been on Rumours would it have been the number one album of all time (in your opinion)?

Well, the reason I ask this is because-was it just the visual of stevie pointing her finger and tossing lindsey dirty looks that captured the essence of the song and made it so popular, or would it had been just as successful without the video and made rumours even more popular. I know there is really no way to answer this, but just your opinion.

also, I almost posted this in stevie forum, but I knew everyone would say "of course!!! " teehee..and I wanted a more unbiased approach. I personally thought It probably would have since it has more to it than "I don't want to know" but just for sh*ts and giggles :)

I dont think it would've been any more of a hit than it HAD already been. The mega success of that album is about as big as any artist could hope to achieve. I dont think the song itself would've been a radio "hit"...besides, it was available as a B-side back then. At any rate, its BACK on the CD version of Rumours, the way it should have been.

[chiliD]

And - on the piano demo - she clearly says "I cast a spell on you - you won't forget me"


Are you sure it's not: "Time casts a spell on you..." ?? :shrug:

[strandinthewind]

Are you sure it's not: "Time casts a spell on you..." ?? :shrug:

It is at the end and I am pretty sure she says "I" and not "time" - again, this is the piano demo. I will post it when I get home.

[michelle2677]

I dont think it would've been any more of a hit than it HAD already been. The mega success of that album is about as big as any artist could hope to achieve. I dont think the song itself would've been a radio "hit"...besides, it was available as a B-side back then. At any rate, its BACK on the CD version of Rumours, the way it should have been.


I totally get what everyone is saying, but YES!! There COULD have been more sales. I want Thriller OUT OF THERE!! ha ha...I don't want just number one of the 70's. I want all time. :lol:

[skcin]

Thanks for posting this. Did she perform this song on the whole tour and if so why is there no video out there of a SS performance?

No, just the first few shows, as far as I know anyway. I believe we have 2 audio version in circulation, but no video. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

[bikerchic]

No, just the first few shows, as far as I know anyway. I believe we have 2 audio version in circulation, but no video. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Thank you. Finally, someone answered my question. JK. :)

[SpyNote]

I think Silver Springs had the potential to go Top 10 had it been released as a formal A-side single. 20/20 hindsight, of course. Rumours just had so much momentum behind it, and Mac was the "in" group at the time, so they could have released anything, even the somber "Oh Daddy," and radio would have eaten it up.

[gldstwmn]

Here's the piano demo Strandie was talking about.

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=FBE34366647143C4

[strandinthewind]

Mucho grassy a$$ !!!!!!!!

She says it at 4:10

Also, at that point she takes her angry belting voice immedicately to an almost whistful remorse at the pain she just conjured.

What a fukcing woman!

[bikerchic]

even the somber "Oh Daddy,"

Hate that song :distress: Every time I listen to Rumours, I skip "Oh Daddy" and think that should have been Silver Springs.

[MacMan]

I think Silver Springs had the potential to go Top 10 had it been released as a formal A-side single. 20/20 hindsight, of course.

I totally agree... I think it had the potential to hit the top actually.

[SpyNote]

This has probably been discussed before, but it seems like Silver Springs could have fit on the original LP had they trimmed a bit off the Oh Daddy and Gold Dust Woman outros. Those songs run a little long anyway. Rumours runs at about 39 minutes, but another LP like Mirage clocks in at around 42 minutes. Or was this a case of technology improving over the years? :shrug:

[BlackWidow]

It would have been the second Fleetwood Mac #1 record..after Dreams.

[amber]

Here's the piano demo Strandie was talking about.

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=FBE34366647143C4

Thank you so much. *wipes away tear*.

[BlackWidow]

And - on the piano demo - she clearly says "I cast a spell on you - you won't forget me"

The "original lyrics" say "I cast a spell on you"
I heard after Lindsey griped it was changed to "Time cast a spell on you"

[carrie721]

Here's the piano demo Strandie was talking about.

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=FBE34366647143C4

thanks! i've been searching my HD for this, i guess i lost it.

[strandinthewind]

This has probably been discussed before, but it seems like Silver Springs could have fit on the original LP had they trimmed a bit off the Oh Daddy and Gold Dust Woman outros. Those songs run a little long anyway. Rumours runs at about 39 minutes, but another LP like Mirage clocks in at around 42 minutes. Or was this a case of technology improving over the years? :shrug:


I agree.

Personally, I have a feeling LB did that on purpose as the song is pretty bad on him and she shines on that song. Then again, I hate to think he would be that petty. But, people are that way when they break up.

I also think we have that deletion to thank for her solo life. I think it was the beginning of her seeing that FM could never be enough for her.

[JazmenFlowers]

I also think we have that deletion to thank for her solo life. I think it was the beginning of her seeing that FM could never be enough for her.
I've thought about that too. I'd hate to think of all the songs that I love sitting in a journal somewhere...

[skcin]

Hate that song :distress: Every time I listen to Rumours, I skip "Oh Daddy" and think that should have been Silver Springs.

You know, it was probably my least favorite song on Rumours. Until I heard the alternate version on the remaster. Love it. :nod:

[BlackWidow]

Silver Springs ended up being the conduit for much needed healing and gave FM a much needed boost to all of their careers in 97!