Mom gets photos of son missing for 24 years [Archive]

gldstwmn

09-01-2006, 04:02 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/09/01/missing.boy.photos.ap/index.html

DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) -- The mother of a boy abducted 24 years ago said she's bewildered by two photographs left at her front door, apparently showing her son and two other children bound and gagged.

The old photos appear to show 12-year-old Johnny Gosch with his mouth gagged and his hands and feet tied. The boy is wearing the same sweatpants Johnny was wearing when he disappeared while delivering newspapers on the morning of September 5, 1982, his mother said.

"It's like reliving it," Noreen Gosch told The Associated Press on Thursday night. "But the bigger picture is, 'Why are they doing this?'

"Whoever had these photos had them for 24 years. I don't understand why they would do this now. It must be some kind of message."

Gosch said investigators confirmed the photos were authentic and likely taken within "hours or days" of the abduction. She said they were checking for fingerprints that could lead them to the source and possibly a breakthrough in a case that has long baffled authorities. The other boys in the photo were unidentified.

"We are in the process of researching where they came from and whether they've been doctored up," West Des Moines police Lt. Jeff Miller told the Des Moines Register.

Johnny's disappearance triggered nationwide fears of child abductions. He was one of the first faces of missing or abducted children to appear on milk cartons across the country.

Several theories have developed since he vanished before dawn while delivering Sunday newspapers. His newspaper wagon was discovered near his West Des Moines home, but few substantial clues have surfaced since then.

Gosch believes her son was taken by child pornographers. She told authorities he briefly contacted her in 1997 but feared for his life and declined to give details about where he was. She believes his abductors got him involved in crimes, which is why he is hiding his identity.

The National Center for Missing Children is examining the other boys in the photograph and trying to match it with its database of missing children.

"These kids have parents someplace," Gosch said. "I'm sure they feel the same way I did. ... Hopefully we can do some good and give these parents some peace."

Johnny was Gosch's youngest of three children, and she has devoted her life to finding him, from raising money for private detectives to following her own leads and prodded police to try harder.

She also wrote a book called "Why Johnny Can't Come Home."

skcin

09-01-2006, 04:23 PM

Jesus. That's so disturbing.

The kid was a redhead, right? If so, his kidnapping haunted me terribly when I was younger. HBO used to show all these "missing kid" specials & they terrified me. I can still some kids' pics in my head, and remember names. Awful.

gldstwmn

09-01-2006, 05:27 PM

Here is a link to the website with the photo. I just can't bring myself to post the photo here. :sorry:

http://www.nbc5.com/news/9778102/detail.html#

irishgrl

09-01-2006, 05:40 PM

GRRRRRRRR :mad: :mad: :mad: I HATE that this stuff happens to innocent kids. I wonder what the motive was for giving that poor woman those pictures NOW? :shrug: I pray for all mothers/fathers of abducted children.....

DrummerDeanna

09-01-2006, 05:42 PM

This is so disturbing. I don't even have words :distress:

MacMan

09-01-2006, 05:50 PM

That's sad! There are some really sick twisted people roaming this earth!

So, the other two kids, were they missing at the same time, same area as well? or are the other two kids just other missing kids from somewhere else that he's been tied up and pictured with?

GODDESS6

09-01-2006, 05:52 PM

i so remember this, cuz where i live we had paper boy abductions at the same time, & that iowa is the state right nest to us, tho our perp was caught & executed in 1996~ i have kept up on johnny's story for yrs~ i remember his mother being on the news when her son contacted her in 1997~ it is all just so sad, whata living nightmare~

BTFLCHLD

09-01-2006, 06:14 PM

sick...twisted...
maybe there are prints and they will lead to something...

jannieC

09-01-2006, 06:44 PM

Oh man, that picture is so horrible! I remember this boy's face because it was such a huge deal to kids all over the world, you know? But I didn't realize that he contacted the mother in 1997. I think the abductor maybe gave the boys heroin and they became addicted- and ending up getting some kind of trouble. I know that sounds kooky, but that's what child pornographers do- get the kids hooked on heroin so that they'll become dependent upon them. Maybe it was the son who left the picture on his mother's doorstep? This is awful- so so sad. I hope there is some resolution for this poor mother who has lived a life of hell all these years.

strandinthewind

09-01-2006, 07:15 PM

I just do not get it - it sickens me to tears.

Then, I go on cnn.com and read this, which I could not bring myself to post here as well:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/09/01/dog.order.ap/index.html

People like this ought to be put on an island with others just like them.

DrummerDeanna

09-01-2006, 07:40 PM

Good God :distress: Look at the little sweet dog...how anyone can abuse such innoncent being as children and dogs....it really and truly makes me sick :(

strandinthewind

09-01-2006, 07:44 PM

Good God :distress: Look at the little sweet dog...how anyone can abuse such innoncent being as children and dogs....it really and truly makes me sick :(

I cried when I saw it and then thought someone oughta tie him to a chair so he is defenseless and then beat the crap out of him and see how he likes it :mad:

DrummerDeanna

09-01-2006, 08:14 PM

strandinthewind

09-01-2006, 08:21 PM

Me too...and I agree - he needs to be beaten by someone much bigger than him - and all means of self-defense should be taken away.

It really hits close to home because I'm certain my babygirl was abused before I got her. Once in a while she still gets scared. For instance, last night I got home - she greeted me with her usual happiness..and I with mine. Then I stopped and took my belt off and she just cowered and wimpered. I wanted to cry - I dropped the belt and just held my poor dog - telling her I'll never hurt her...I seriously don't know how anyone could hurt something so sweet :distress:

Having played a small part in the Scottie rescue here, I have seen things that would HORRIFY most. This one sick fukc lit his dog on fire for fun - they had pis of the healing - my hands shook as I saw them.

I met the dog a year later when they did the parade of rescues at a show and it was so happy just to there. I cried for days.

DrummerDeanna

09-01-2006, 08:24 PM

Having played a small part in the Scottie rescue here, I have seen things that would HORRIFY most. This one sick fukc lit his dog on fire for fun - they had pis of the healing - my hands shook as I saw them.

I met the dog a year later when they did the parade of rescues at a show and it was so happy just to there. I cried for days.

:distress: Oh my god. That's disgusting...boy...thanks for bringing down my Friday evening :p

strandinthewind

09-01-2006, 08:25 PM

:distress: Oh my god. That's disgusting...boy...thanks for bringing down my Friday evening :p

Didn't mean to :angel:

But, the good side to that story is the dog bounced back. Scotties are a very resilient breed.

DrummerDeanna

09-01-2006, 08:30 PM

Didn't mean to :angel:

But, the good side to that story is the dog bounced back. Scotties are a very resilient breed.

ha -I wasn't really blaming you - this whole thread is a downer -- but I do hope that, like the dogs we've discussed that the mother in the original post gets the resolution she has been waiting for for years.

gldstwmn

09-01-2006, 09:02 PM

Red

09-01-2006, 09:24 PM

Oh God, this is awful. What that poor mother must be feeling right now.

gldstwmn

09-01-2006, 09:26 PM

The back story on this case is mind blowing. I'm not saying it's true or false but if you have a little time and feel like reading, check this page out:

http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:mQUWaxaUuB4J:educate-yourself.org/cn/goschgannohuntertrublingtale05apr05.shtml+Johnny+Gosch&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=7

Rickypt

09-02-2006, 12:35 PM

The back story on this case is mind blowing.

That is some weird @$#@$.

SuzeQuze

09-02-2006, 01:12 PM

Me too...and I agree - he needs to be beaten by someone much bigger than him - and all means of self-defense should be taken away.

It really hits close to home because I'm certain my babygirl was abused before I got her. Once in a while she still gets scared. For instance, last night I got home - she greeted me with her usual happiness..and I with mine. Then I stopped and took my belt off and she just cowered and wimpered. I wanted to cry - I dropped the belt and just held my poor dog - telling her I'll never hurt her...I seriously don't know how anyone could hurt something so sweet :distress:

Wow, poor Clancy. Thank God she's with you! :angel: Animal abuse sickens me too.

And that poor doggie in the article. :(

DavidMn

09-02-2006, 02:33 PM

That is one of the creepiest things I've ever seen.:(

BlackWidow

09-04-2006, 06:42 PM

Here is a link to the website with the photo. I just can't bring myself to post the photo here. :sorry:

http://www.nbc5.com/news/9778102/detail.html#

I am freaking out after reading that!!!!:eek:

markolas

09-04-2006, 07:17 PM

The back story on this case is mind blowing. I'm not saying it's true or false but if you have a little time and feel like reading, check this page out

Holy ****, that's more unbelievable than any soap opera. If it's all true, I'm scared to go to the mother's and Jeff Gannon's websites. :eek:

skcin

09-05-2006, 12:01 PM

That is some f*cked up ****. :shocked:

BTFLCHLD

09-05-2006, 12:41 PM

I say a prayer for all those hurting and who have been hurt by the beyond-sick people that live among us in this world. My heart hurts for those children and all the other children. That picture will haunt me. :(

gldstwmn

09-05-2006, 02:08 PM

I say a prayer for all those hurting and who have been hurt by the beyond-sick people that live among us in this world.

Amen to that.

BlackWidow

09-05-2006, 05:40 PM

Amen to that.

I am now obsessed about this whole Gannon is Gosch theory!!!

markolas

09-05-2006, 06:23 PM

I am now obsessed about this whole Gannon is Gosch theory!!!

My curiosity got the best of me and I looked him and Johnny Gosch up on Wikipedia (not the most reliable thing, I know; I can't bring myself to visit either Noreen's or Gannon's websites). It seems that Noreen's ex-husband (Johnny's father) doesn't believe the story about Johnny visiting Noreen in 1997. So, it seems that it's not exactly an undisputed fact that he even contacted her. And apparently, she was on a radio talk show discussing the Gannon/Gosch thing, and Gannon called in saying he was not Johnny Gosch and was willing to have a DNA test to prove it, although he apparently never did.

On the other hand, why would someone send Noreen these pictures now?

skcin

09-06-2006, 12:10 PM

^ The whole thing is just too weird, with or without the whole Gannon conspiracy theory. And, if Johnny really did visit his mom in 1997, then to me he's not a missing person anymore. :shrug:

GODDESS6

09-06-2006, 02:13 PM

^ The whole thing is just too weird, with or without the whole Gannon conspiracy theory. And, if Johnny really did visit his mom in 1997, then to me he's not a missing person anymore. :shrug:

he visited her w/ his looks somewhat changed & under a huge shroud of mystery, i saw when his mother was on a talk show & he came at night & stayed for a very short time~ she said he was a nervous wreck the whole time, thinking that his contacting her could end in more murders including his mothers, if his captors knew he was to contact her~ she never came out w/ the story of him coming to see her until that paul bonnacci(*sp), talked in front of nebraska's supreme court~ then it was out, so johnny's mom came forward & confirmed she saw him briefly & that he couldn't really give her any info~ it was more just for her peace of mind & that he was still alive

i live in omaha, nebraska where the frankilin credit union/child pornograpy/exploitation happened~ it was a huge horrble thing~ it is still brought up from time to time because of our connection w/ johnny gosch & other children involved~ there was a huge media spectacle here last week, w/ alot of the people involved who are known talking about it all once again~ it is just so unreal that something like this could happen & so tremendously heartbreaking for the parents left behind~

also as i said in a previous post at the same time, we had a child killer here taking paper boys, thinking it would be attributed to the johnny gosch case, but this perp was caught & confessed & was executed~

it was a real scary time being a kid in my hometown at that time:distress: :distress: :distress: ~

BlackWidow

09-06-2006, 06:03 PM

I am now obsessed with this story...
WHY HAS DATELINE NOT JUMPED ALL OVER THIS??????

gldstwmn

09-06-2006, 11:02 PM

he visited her w/ his looks somewhat changed & under a huge shroud of mystery, i saw when his mother was on a talk show & he came at night & stayed for a very short time~ she said he was a nervous wreck the whole time, thinking that his contacting her could end in more murders including his mothers, if his captors knew he was to contact her~ she never came out w/ the story of him coming to see her until that paul bonnacci(*sp), talked in front of nebraska's supreme court~ then it was out, so johnny's mom came forward & confirmed she saw him briefly & that he couldn't really give her any info~ it was more just for her peace of mind & that he was still alive

i live in omaha, nebraska where the frankilin credit union/child pornograpy/exploitation happened~ it was a huge horrble thing~ it is still brought up from time to time because of our connection w/ johnny gosch & other children involved~ there was a huge media spectacle here last week, w/ alot of the people involved who are known talking about it all once again~ it is just so unreal that something like this could happen & so tremendously heartbreaking for the parents left behind~

also as i said in a previous post at the same time, we had a child killer here taking paper boys, thinking it would be attributed to the johnny gosch case, but this perp was caught & confessed & was executed~

it was a real scary time being a kid in my hometown at that time:distress: :distress: :distress: ~

So Jill, I have to ask. Do you think that Johnny visited his mother that night in 1997? As a mother myself, I believe her. I think there is no reason for her to make that up.

gldstwmn

09-06-2006, 11:03 PM

I am now obsessed with this story...
WHY HAS DATELINE NOT JUMPED ALL OVER THIS??????

I think the media has covered this case to a certain extent. It's just that the story seems so far out to people that it's difficult to believe. But's it's certainly not implausible, IMO.

GODDESS6

09-07-2006, 06:09 AM

So Jill, I have to ask. Do you think that Johnny visited his mother that night in 1997? As a mother myself, I believe her. I think there is no reason for her to make that up.

i do believe that she saw him that night, something in my gut says she isn't lying~ i just can't how tragic this must feel, i am a mommy too & the thought of this happening is just mortifying~

SuzeQuze

09-07-2006, 07:15 AM

I am now obsessed with this story...
WHY HAS DATELINE NOT JUMPED ALL OVER THIS??????

Because there doesn't seem to be any hard evidence to support the theory.

GODDESS6

09-07-2006, 07:20 AM

Because there doesn't seem to be any hard evidence to support the theory.

& when has this ever stopped the media?

:shrug: john mark karr:shrug:

JMHumbleO~

& it was in the media when it all 1st happened, in the 80's, 20/20 & such, i remember geraldo coming here & des moines & it has been brought up from time to time, & it again was prevelant in the media after johnny's mom said she had a meeting w/ him in '97~ johnny's mother was on catherine crier yesterday~

SuzeQuze

09-07-2006, 07:25 AM

& when has this ever stopped the media?

:shrug: john mark karr:shrug:

JMHumbleO~

He confessed. Plus there was a trail of email showing he was obsessed and similarities between the ransom note and some of his high school writings.

GODDESS6

09-07-2006, 07:35 AM

He confessed. Plus there was a trail of email showing he was obsessed and similarities between the ransom note and some of his high school writings.

& isn't that what they said about patsey also? we all want that crime solved, but law enforcement was just grasping in this case, & the more & more things come out about it, they look pathetic in what was reported & what was fact~

there were more non-similarities that similarities in the writing~ & the media did blow it way out a porpotion, i saw patsey ramsey's sister saying that they told her there was a definite dna match, when they hadn't even swabbed the guy for dna yet~ it was all just a mess~

i think johnny's story has more to it is all, maybe cuz it is close to my heart, who knows:shrug: ~

SuzeQuze

09-07-2006, 07:41 AM

& isn't that what they said about patsey also? we all want that crime solved, but law enforcement was just grasping in this case, & the more & more things come out about it, they look pathetic in what was reported & what was fact~

there were more non-similarities that similarities in the writing~ & the media did blow it way out a porpotion, i saw patsey ramsey's sister saying that they told her there was a definite dna match, when they hadn't even swabbed the guy for dna yet~ it was all just a mess~

i think johnny's story has more to it is all, maybe cuz it is close to my heart, who knows:shrug: ~

A lot of it is based on coincidences and hearsay. It is also a much bigger story. If a network is going to point fingers at the rich and powerful, they'd better have some evidence, right? I mean, if people really have been murdered wouldn't you be cautious about this story?

It also has that element of being way to bizarre to believe. It would explain the mystery of Gannon getting access to the White House pressroom with flimsy credentials (putting it mildly). Also, if he was abused as a child that would fit the profile of a sex worker. Is he Gosch himself? That DNA test would have to be done or some other hard evidence would have to turn up to make that claim.

GODDESS6

09-07-2006, 08:02 AM

A lot of it is based on coincidences and hearsay. It is also a much bigger story. If a network is going to point fingers at the rich and powerful, they'd better have some evidence, right? I mean, if people really have been murdered wouldn't you be cautious about this story?

It also has that element of being way to bizarre to believe. It would explain the mystery of Gannon getting access to the White House pressroom with flimsy credentials (putting it mildly). Also, if he was abused as a child that would fit the profile of a sex worker. Is he Gosch himself? That DNA test would have to be done or some other hard evidence would have to turn up to make that claim.

i totally get what you are saying, but the story isn't infathomable, stranger things have happened & been proved, i also agree they need some type of dna as far as the gannon character is concerned, but the fact that the rich & powerful could do something like this & have it covered up is very believable to me~ there are so many different elements to this story~ hopefully it'll all come out someday~ but who knows if the government is involved in anyway shape or form, they will do everything to cover their arses so to speak~

i must say i like debating w/ you ~ i won't get involved in alot of this stuff on here cuz people get so nasty to ea other & hatered is spewn forth~ you have been very nice in your opinions w/out attacking mine & i hope i haven't made you feel attacked~ also thanks for making me think this morning!!!:xoxo: ~

SuzeQuze

09-07-2006, 09:32 AM

i totally get what you are saying, but the story isn't infathomable, stranger things have happened & been proved, i also agree they need some type of dna as far as the gannon character is concerned, but the fact that the rich & powerful could do something like this & have it covered up is very believable to me~ there are so many different elements to this story~ hopefully it'll all come out someday~ but who knows if the government is involved in anyway shape or form, they will do everything to cover their arses so to speak~

i must say i like debating w/ you ~ i won't get involved in alot of this stuff on here cuz people get so nasty to ea other & hatered is spewn forth~ you have been very nice in your opinions w/out attacking mine & i hope i haven't made you feel attacked~ also thanks for making me think this morning!!!:xoxo: ~

Aw, that's nice of you to say. I definitely see your point of view and respect it. There is a lot of circumstantial evidence to back up this story. I also wouldn't be surprised if it turned out to be true. I just think there would be a tremendous backlash if a news outlet decided to use this story without more hard evidence.

I think rule #1 of message boards should be 1. Never take anything personally. What people say is more about themselves than you, right? This is harder to practice than to preach. :lol: But I try.

Focus on the message, not the messenger.

GODDESS6

09-07-2006, 10:47 AM

Aw, that's nice of you to say. I definitely see your point of view and respect it. There is a lot of circumstantial evidence to back up this story. I also wouldn't be surprised if it turned out to be true. I just think there would be a tremendous backlash if a news outlet decided to use this story without more hard evidence.

I think rule #1 of message boards should be 1. Never take anything personally. What people say is more about themselves than you, right? This is harder to practice than to preach. :lol: But I try.

Focus on the message, not the messenger.

sweeeeeeeeeeeeeet!!!~

gldstwmn

09-07-2006, 11:07 AM

Focus on the message, not the messenger.

We should add that phrase to the rules. :laugh: :nod:

SuzeQuze

09-07-2006, 11:09 AM

We should add that phrase to the rules. :laugh: :nod:

Totally. It was part of our training at a diverse company I used to work for. They were very focused on team work.

BlackWidow

09-08-2006, 09:21 PM

Totally. It was part of our training at a diverse company I used to work for. They were very focused on team work.

I am getting a Gannon is Gosch T-shirt made...:eek: J/K

JunkFoodGenius

09-09-2006, 02:12 AM

gldstwmn

09-09-2006, 11:35 AM

irishgrl

09-09-2006, 06:54 PM

Who gave her the picture? I'm betting on the ghost of Hunter S. Thompson...

Interesting read - though my brain sort of began to hurt when I read "Satanist pedophiles" and the human sacrifices in front of the owl statue in Sacramento...

um....I hate to tell you this but that stuff DOES happen. In my work as a child advocate I met a wonderful woman who was a victim of satanic ritual abuse.
This woman has made it her life's work to advocate for all children and educate the public as to the realities of the sorts of abuse that DOES go on.

By the way, there is another line of thinking that believes that children are placed in foster homes (or otherwise removed from parental care) and placed into the circles of child slavery abroad. I dont know how true this really is, but at a seminar I attended (hosted by a CA senator) there was a well respected private investigator that had ample evidence of slavery rings that operate out of Europe and Asia and are supplied with "displaced" kids from America. If its true its absolutely deplorable.

irishgrl

09-09-2006, 06:55 PM

:laugh: It's a lot to digest all in one sitting.

I found it riveting :shrug:

LukeA

09-09-2006, 07:08 PM

Who gave her the picture? I'm betting on the ghost of Hunter S. Thompson...

Interesting read - though my brain sort of began to hurt when I read "Satanist pedophiles" and the human sacrifices in front of the owl statue in Sacramento...

Not Sacramento, Bohemian Grove. The fact that Paul Bonacci referenced the statue- something someone his age would most likely never heard of (heck, try to find a clear/non surveillance picture of it on the internet), helps to corroborate his story.

http://www.franklincase.org/ is an incredible resource on this fascinating case. The "Conspiracy of Silence" documentary is riveting.

LukeA

09-09-2006, 07:24 PM

i live in omaha, nebraska where the frankilin credit union/child pornograpy/exploitation happened~ it was a huge horrble thing~ it is still brought up from time to time because of our connection w/ johnny gosch & other children involved~ there was a huge media spectacle here last week, w/ alot of the people involved who are known talking about it all once again~ it is just so unreal that something like this could happen & so tremendously heartbreaking for the parents left behind~

It's horrifying.

So many of the Omaha figures that were named in the investigation are still prominent members in the community- PJ Morgan, Harold Andersen... at least Larry is no longer in the Omaha area, right?

gldstwmn

09-09-2006, 08:42 PM

I found it riveting :shrug:

So did I. And I had about five more links that I didn't even include.

gldstwmn

09-09-2006, 08:46 PM

Not Sacramento, Bohemian Grove. The fact that Paul Bonacci referenced the statue- something someone his age would most likely never heard of (heck, try to find a clear/non surveillance picture of it on the internet), helps to corroborate his story.

http://www.franklincase.org/ is an incredible resource on this fascinating case. The "Conspiracy of Silence" documentary is riveting.

I watched Conspiracy Of Silence on YouTube about a week ago. And I agree, Bohemian Grove is not something that someone is likely to pluck out of thin air. I'm very disturbed by the whole Hunter Thompson snuff film thing as well. The man was a gun nut but Jesus Christ I hope it was someone using a pseudonym or a case of mistaken identity on Paul Bonacci's part.

jannieC

09-09-2006, 09:17 PM

Can someone give me a quick breakdown of the story? I tried to read the whole thing, but ended up getting pulled away. If it's too complicated, I understand. I just had a hell of a time following that story- the writing was kind of ???

GODDESS6

09-11-2006, 06:46 AM

It's horrifying.

So many of the Omaha figures that were named in the investigation are still prominent members in the community- PJ Morgan, Harold Andersen... at least Larry is no longer in the Omaha area, right?

i found this on larry, it is from 2001: Lawrence E. King Jr., the main figure in the Franklin Credit Union scandal in Omaha more than a decade ago, has left prison and apparently is planning to live near Washington, D.C.

King was released from federal prison in Colorado on Tuesday after serving nearly 10 years of a 15-year sentence.

~ i do know he had a wife who was prominent here also & she was in our women's prison for meth, she moved out of the state upon her release from prison, i am pretty sure they divorced~ it is all still brought up from time to time~ last week 1 of our 5 o'clock news channels had johnny's mom on it, they retraced what they think happened that day & showed her holding the pictures that were at her front door, they looked to be 8x10 size~ the mom seems to think they came from some one connected to all this, such as another victim like her son was & that they risked their life going to her home & leaving these~ the reported said something to the effect that they think they case is about to be blown wide open :shrug: they didn't elaborate tho~

BlackWidow

09-11-2006, 10:35 PM

So did I. And I had about five more links that I didn't even include.

INCLUDE THEM!!!:wavey:

estranged4life

09-13-2006, 05:08 PM

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14818169/

Mom received pictures of bound, gagged boys after son disappeared in 1982

DES MOINES, Iowa - The photos of bound and gagged boys that were sent to an Iowa woman whose son disappeared 24 years ago were investigated in the late 1970s and are not her missing son, a retired Florida sheriff's investigator said Wednesday.

Nelson Zalva, who now works for the Hillsborough County, Fla., State Attorney's Office, said he investigated the same photos while working for the county's sheriff in 1978 or 1979.

"I remember this case," he said. "I identified the kids portrayed in the photos. It was definitely investigated by me several years prior to the disappearance of Johnny Gosch."

The photos were in an envelope left at the West Des Moines home of Johnny's mother, Noreen Gosch, on Aug. 27.

One photo, in black and white, shows a boy bound and gagged on a bed. Another is a color photo of the same boy in a similar pose with two others boys.

Noreen Gosch turned the photos over to police, who have been investigating the authenticity of the photos and any connection her son.

One of first faces on milk cartoons
Johnny was 12 when he disappeared from his neighborhood before daybreak on Sept. 5, 1982. His photo was became one of the first of a missing child to be put on a milk carton. Police have said they believe he was abducted but they have few clues.

Zalva said his investigation never resulted in an arrest because the children in the photos never admitted that the suspect touched them inappropriately. He said the boys in the photos had voluntarily posed for the photos, but he couldn't recall why.

"Basically, what happened is someone, maybe it was one of the parents, found the photos and called the sheriff's office and deputies went out there, impounded the photos and the case was assigned to me for investigation," Zalva said. "I worked a long time on it, getting the kids identified."

Lt. Jeff Miller, a West Des Moines Police spokesman, said the investigation is continuing into who left the photos at Noreen Gosch's house.

"If they are not of Johnny Gosch, someone is playing a horrible prank," he said.

Miller said Gosch has been informed of the Florida investigation.

A telephone message left Wednesday morning for Gosch was not immediately returned.

© 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

BlackWidow

09-13-2006, 05:18 PM

It is a fascinating case!

LukeA

09-14-2006, 02:44 PM

A new twist...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2KtvcoPsa0

gldstwmn

09-14-2006, 03:04 PM

Interesting. I hope they put that guy's picture on America's Most Wanted.

BlackWidow

09-14-2006, 03:45 PM

That poor woman...

GODDESS6

09-14-2006, 05:10 PM

that is a local news report from where i live, it is all so surreal~

BlackWidow

09-14-2006, 07:29 PM

that is a local news report from where i live, it is all so surreal~

It is a living nightmare....

GODDESS6

09-15-2006, 06:24 PM

LukeA posted a really interesting link to all of this, alot of it, i had read & remember it all happening, but alot of it was so covered up in the community is so utterly shocking~ while looking at the links LukeA provided i found this:

http://www.franklincase.org/silence.htm

warning, there is some yukky stuff said & foul some foul language~

this video is so disturbing i have been speechless over it for the past few days~ seeing so much of places i have seen daily while going thru ,y daily life is very scary~ when showing one of the ringleaders 3 omes, it was 3 rd one, we pass it all the time on the way to our fav mall~

i wonder if this will ever all come out?~

a little tidbit alan baer 1 of the accused is a direct descendant of a 1st class passenger on the who died on the titanic, they owned huge high-end stored here~ they were extremely wealthy~