Bob Dylan Says Modern Music Is Worthless [Archive]

estranged4life

08-22-2006, 10:42 PM

Bob Dylan Says Modern Music Is Worthless
Reuters

LOS ANGELES (Aug. 22) - Bob Dylan says the quality of modern recordings is "atrocious," and even the songs on his new album sounded much better in the studio than on disc.

"I don't know anybody who's made a record that sounds decent in the past 20 years, really," the 65-year-old rocker said in an interview with Rolling Stone magazine.

Dylan, who released eight studio albums in the past two decades, returns with his first recording in five years, "Modern Times," next Tuesday.

Noting the music industry's complaints that illegal downloading means people are getting their music for free, he said, "Well, why not? It ain't worth nothing anyway."

"You listen to these modern records, they're atrocious, they have sound all over them," he added. "There's no definition of nothing, no vocal, no nothing, just like ... static."

Dylan said he does his best to fight technology, but it's a losing battle.

"Even these songs probably sounded ten times better in the studio when we recorded 'em. CDs are small. There's no stature to it."

irishgrl

08-22-2006, 10:45 PM

and I agree.

ryan8472

08-22-2006, 10:47 PM

Oh plz. :rolleyes:

Sounds to me like Bob has been listening to the wrong records for the past 20 years. Because arguments like that? Are bull****.

goldustsongbird

08-22-2006, 10:52 PM

Thank you for the newsflash, Baaaaahhb.

Für Elise

08-22-2006, 10:57 PM

That's complete nonsense

irishgrl

08-22-2006, 11:07 PM

other artists agree with him, fyi. protest all you want to but the fact remains, rock music is NOTHING like it used to be.

Für Elise

08-22-2006, 11:14 PM

other artists agree with him, fyi. protest all you want to but the fact remains, rock music is NOTHING like it used to be.that's not what he said though and its still an opinion

xdreamsunwindx

08-23-2006, 12:13 AM

I love Bob. I may not agree with what he said, but nothing's gonna stop him from speaking his mind. He gets more ornery each year, and it's awesome.

amber

08-23-2006, 12:14 AM

Um.

A) Bob is the man. The Man. Which doesn't necessarily make him right about everything, it just makes him a great lyricist and musician.

B) Wasn't he talking about the quality of recording? That is what it seems to me. Not the content, the actual sounds that result from modern recording equipment, and the resulting sound of the media it is presented on (CD's).

Anyway, I don't know much about recording, so I'm not sure if he is right about the quality and clarity, and how it sounded so much better in the studio. I would think he would know what he was talking about, having been in studios all his life. But you never know.
If he was talking about musicians, and music, I would agree, with notable exceptions. :D But then, my tastes are specific and exacting. I don't throw out a wide musical net. I mean, I do, but then I throw most of the catch back. Because it sucks, and annoys.

foxyluva

08-23-2006, 03:57 AM

In some aspects I agree with Bob. Most commercial music is absolute ****, but there are alot of underground artists who are still making fantastic music - it sounds to me like he was just venting...

xxxmx

08-23-2006, 05:13 AM

..."Well, why not? It ain't worth nothing anyway."

as an english teacher, i just died a thousand deaths. ain't... worth nothing... :distress:

as for the message... eh. i think he's referring more to the quality of and effort put into albums. i'm sure that he's very right about 95% of the albums that have slid off the shelves. a lot of popular music is manufactured to SELL and everything else suffers because of that.

trackaghost

08-23-2006, 05:13 AM

Anyone who agrees with the idea that modern music is worthless is a) an old codger and b) need to find their glasses so they can read that article properly.
Dylan is clearly (to me anyway) talking about the quality of recordings and the CD as a format, not the music itself. Nowhere does he state that no one has written any good songs in the last 20 years (and he's released albums during that time period too and doesn't exclude himself). In fact in the last line he says the songs on his new album sounded much better in the studio than on CD. "CDs are small. There's no stature to it," he says. I bet he hates MP3s then. No iTunes for the Bobster.

This bit made me laugh though: "Dylan said he does his best to fight technology, but it's a losing battle." :rolleyes: He didn't fight that technology when he went electric, JUDAS!!!!

tynan88

08-23-2006, 05:25 AM

I think in general he is spot on about the quality of sound, although it may be more technically advanced it certainly does lack the warmth of a record.

carrie721

08-23-2006, 05:48 AM

wait. bob dylan is commenting on the quality of others' vocals? please!

irishgrl

08-23-2006, 06:13 AM

:rolleyes: Don't worry you can still listen to your old gramophone records (78 rpm of course) while the rest of us move on and enjoy some new music :D

Spot on Amber.

Ok, I see I missed that vital piece of information. My apologies. However I will say that many artists are unhappy with the CD format and have been talking about going back to vinyl because it has a richer sound (even with the crackles and pops)

ps: each one of you will be an old codger someday too. :rolleyes:

trackaghost

08-23-2006, 06:17 AM

trackaghost

08-23-2006, 06:19 AM

each one of you will be an old codger someday too. :rolleyes:

No. There's a difference to being old and an old codger.

Also, we will never go back to vinyl. However a lot of older artists who dislike CD, like DVD. Neil Young for one.
A lot of people were excited about DVD-A and others were releasing stuff on DVD with 5.1 surround sound, because that format opened new possibilities for them.

carrie721

08-23-2006, 06:26 AM

To be fair, although Dylan's vocals can sometimes almost turn into self-parody these days, overall I think he is one of the greatest singers of all-time. His vocal style is still being emulated. Sure, technically he's not a good singer, but some of my favourite singers can't sing too well: Neil Young, Lou Reed, even Tom Petty. People like Christina Aguilera may be able to hit the right notes and do all those vocal hysterics but Dylan has more heart and soul in that shaky, speak-sing, nasal twang of his that most of those warblers put together. (IMO of course)

you have a point. i'm not a huge dylan fan, but i like those other crappy vocalists you listed :laugh: , so i guess i can't fault dylan for his voice. there are songs of his that i love, like tangled up in blue, hurricane, and everybody must get stoned, but i don't see him as "the man," as other people do.

irishgrl

08-23-2006, 06:27 AM

No. There's a difference to being old and an old codger.

not sure why you think Im a codger then :shrug:

irishgrl

08-23-2006, 07:23 AM

I didn't directly call you one.
That said you did say "rock music is NOTHING like it used to be," which implied that you agreed with the headline of that article (that modern music is worthless). To me that sounds like a judgement on the quality of the music rather than on the format of the day. :shrug:
But whatever...

well, I saw that I did miss that crucial bit of info and apologized :shrug:

I can tell you that IMO, music in general has deteriorated since rap took over...I still find plenty to listen to, just on public radio or alternative music stations. Not mainstream any more like I had been for so many years...

mikeschmike

08-23-2006, 07:34 AM

"I don't know anybody who's made a record that sounds decent in the past 20 years, really,"

I wonder how Jakob feels about that?

AliceLover

08-23-2006, 07:52 AM

Sounds like Bob is talking out of his ass to me...Sounds like a real jerk too.

strandinthewind

08-23-2006, 07:56 AM

I wonder how Jakob feels about that?

He laughs his way to the bank that holds his trust fund and his own millions :nod:

ryan8472

08-23-2006, 08:06 AM

Well if we're talking about sound quality, then I must also disagree with Bob. My remastered CD's sound WAY clearer than the vinyls. :wavey:

SuzeQuze

08-23-2006, 08:07 AM

I think he's acting like a pompous ass. The White Stripes and Franz Ferdinand are just two examples of current artists that make worthwhile, quality music. Yes, you have to weed through the crap to get to them, but quality artists are out there.

Okay, I now see he was speaking more about the sound of a CD. I have to disagree on that too, it doesn't sound like crap and all jumbled. He probably has had a lot of hearing loss which makes it difficult to make distinctions in sounds.

ryan8472

08-23-2006, 08:09 AM

I think he's acting like a pompous ass. The White Stripes and Franz Ferdinand are just two examples of current artists that make worthwhile, quality music. Yes, you have to weed through the crap to get to them, but quality artists are out there.

It's not like you didnt have to weed through the crap back then either. :rolleyes:

There's just MORE **** now.

Mari

08-23-2006, 08:11 AM

markolas

08-23-2006, 08:19 AM

I can tell you that IMO, music in general has deteriorated since rap took over...I still find plenty to listen to, just on public radio or alternative music stations. Not mainstream any more like I had been for so many years...

I haven't listened to "mainstream" radio in probably about 10 years. Only things I listen to are NPR and Air America. It has the effect of me not knowing anything about Top 40 pop/rock, and what passes for R&B and country, but I don't think I'm missing too much.

irishgrl

08-23-2006, 08:32 AM

I haven't listened to "mainstream" radio in probably about 10 years. Only things I listen to are NPR and Air America. It has the effect of me not knowing anything about Top 40 pop/rock, and what passes for R&B and country, but I don't think I'm missing too much.
me either.

lest anyone think Im a total prude, I know there is a difference between rap and hip hop and I dont mind some hip hop, I even have some rap albums :eek:
but as far as rap being "music" I just dont see it really, since a lot of rap is SPOKEN, and much of their music is sampled.....whatever happened to originality?

I particularly hate Gangsta rap which is all about violence and demeaning to women.

markolas

08-23-2006, 08:43 AM

I dislike rap and most hip-hop, and "clubby" dance music. It's very cacophonous, plus I can't stand anything with a pulsating beat...it's like fingernails on a chalk board to me. Put me in a gay club, and I get real irritable, real fast. :laugh:

trackaghost

08-23-2006, 08:52 AM

Mwah, Grumpy Old Man ;)

oh but PLEASE don't do that "rap isn't music" ... you don't have to like it, but that simply means it's not your taste.
Rap, hiphop in general, it has changed and contributed a lot to the music of today, there's no getting around that.

Right on Mari. Also I don't get the sampling = lack of originality argument. The way some rap and hip hop artists use samples to create new pieces of music can be pretty amazing.
Also music is as varied and interesting as it ever was. No one should judge the music scene on what's played on mainstream radio either, that's a pretty small sample of what's going on at the moment. That said there are plenty of current pop tunes I love too.

Back to the point, music has not gone downhill, just Mr Dylan's hearing it seems. There's nothing wrong with the sound quality to my ears. Maybe he needs to invest in a better sound system.
Also if he dislikes CDs so much, I'm here to tell him that a lot of artists still put albums out on vinyl. The White Stripes even send all their review copies out on vinyl only.

JazmenFlowers

08-23-2006, 08:55 AM

Christina Aguilera
why you gotta pick on my girl? :shrug: :lol:
I wonder how Jakob feels about that?
that's funny.

personally, I would say that I agree that music has totally changed in it's intentions and the amount of quality music/artists is next to nilch, but that doesn't mean he can make a blanket statement like that. there have been numerous albums/artists with immense quality over the past 20 years. maybe not as many or as much as Bob would like, but that doesn't make it any less true. maybe he was just in a bad mood.

DavidMn

08-23-2006, 01:51 PM

I would say Bob is about 75% right. There are some very good acts these days, I.E The Stereophonics, but there is more **** than not as far as I'm concerned.:nod:

skcin

08-23-2006, 02:43 PM

I think the problem many of us are having with his comment is that he's making a vast generalization. It's almost as bad as saying "it's all a bunch of crap." Just because it's different or new or innovative does not mean it's crap. And just because it's not on vinyl doesn't mean it sounds terrible.

I somehow doubt that Dylan has been really making an attempt to keep up with current music. Hell, I barely have. I rely on Sharon & Livia & others for info. :laugh: I much prefer "older" music myself. But it makes me snicker when he seems to have the same attitude now that he was bitching about "older" people having then - you damn kids, you're all worthless, blah blah blah. The times, they are a changin' Bob. :rolleyes:

BTW - I'd like to submit a few artists who I don't think have put out total "crap" for the last 20 years. Seriously - these sound terrible because they're on CD? I don't think so. JMO

Cyndi Lauper - Body Acoustic
Patty Griffin - Living With Ghosts
Lindsey Buckingham - Out of the Cradle
White Stripes - Elephant
Neil Diamond - 12 Songs

bikerchic

08-23-2006, 02:55 PM

BTW - I'd like to submit a few artists who I don't think have put out total "crap" for the last 20 years:

Cyndi Lauper
Patty Griffin
Lindsey Buckingham
White Stripes
Neil Diamond

ah, hello Bob? Ever heard of alittle band called U2? They sure as hell have put out alot more hits then you :rolleyes:

DavidMn

08-23-2006, 03:10 PM

ah, hello Bob? Ever heard of alittle band called U2? They sure as hell have put out alot more hits then you :rolleyes:Touche!!!:nod:

amber

08-23-2006, 03:13 PM

Right on Mari. Also I don't get the sampling = lack of originality argument. The way some rap and hip hop artists use samples to create new pieces of music can be pretty amazing.
Also music is as varied and interesting as it ever was. No one should judge the music scene on what's played on mainstream radio either, that's a pretty small sample of what's going on at the moment. That said there are plenty of current pop tunes I love too.

Back to the point, music has not gone downhill, just Mr Dylan's hearing it seems. There's nothing wrong with the sound quality to my ears. Maybe he needs to invest in a better sound system.
Also if he dislikes CDs so much, I'm here to tell him that a lot of artists still put albums out on vinyl. The White Stripes even send all their review copies out on vinyl only.

Codger, always have been, since I was little. And I have gone back to vinyl, actually! hehehe. Are we still friends? I'm just really picky...yeah...:p

I have to say, the thing I've noticed most about a good portion of mainstream music in my adult days, is that people don't seem to play their instruments as well or as varied or with as much innovation as they used to - obviously, there are exceptions - and also some could argue that 3 chord songs with the same beat all the way through are a style, that those people do it on purpose. Which may be true, but if someone could think of other more unusual, varied, and difficult music to play, wouldn't they? Mostly? To me a lot of mainstream songs sound very much alike, style wise, instrumentally.

Just saying. And no, I don't think all new music is worthless, and I know there are some people who still are good and unusual on their instruments - I just don't see them in very high proportion in the mainstream. Or barely at all. And, I don't like a lot of music anyway - but I wouldn't call it worthless. Just worthless to me. :lol: I find a few new things I like a lot, just not as many as most people.

But I thought it was funny that no one read that right, and did actually think he was talking about musicians, and not sound quality. And I think it's funny that even though several people in the thread pointed that out, people still keep "arguing" with Bob about the music quality.

As a side note, I have to say I'm not real happy about the Bob bashing. I share Stevie's awe of The Bob.

bikerchic

08-23-2006, 03:20 PM

As a side note, I have to say I'm not real happy about the Bob bashing. I share Stevie's awe of The Bob.
Hey Amber, have you heard, Bob Dylan's gettin' back together :laugh: ;)

amber

08-23-2006, 03:26 PM

Hey Amber, have you heard, Bob Dylan's gettin' back together :laugh: ;)

I don't get it. :confused: :sorry:

bikerchic

08-23-2006, 03:33 PM

I don't get it. :confused: :sorry:
ah.....you know when people say "a band's" getting back together? Like, hey did ya hear, Guns N Roses are getting back together? but with Bob being such a pothead all those years, you could imply that for him. Does that make since? Ok, so much for that joke. It's not so funny now :laugh:

Nico

08-23-2006, 03:40 PM

Sounds like a curmudgeonly grump to me.

God knows I love Bob Dylan like mad, but I don't have to agree with him. And even though, for the most part, I tend to listen to the classics over modern music, I still can not dismiss countless artists and albums that have blown me away in every element in the past 10 or so years. Yes, there are a lot of **** artists out there, but there are also many who create great stuff and have integrity in their craft.

But he's entitled to his opinion, and I welcome anything he has to say. Just don't have to agree.

skcin

08-23-2006, 03:46 PM

amber

08-23-2006, 03:47 PM

ah.....you know when people say "a band's" getting back together? Like, hey did ya hear, Guns N Roses are getting back together? but with Bob being such a pothead all those years, you could imply that for him. Does that make since? Ok, so much for that joke. It's not so funny now :laugh:

Oh, I thought that was the joke, I just didn't know why you were saying it. Like, maybe someone in this thread said that? But no.
Sorry, I guess I did get it, I just thought it was different. :wavey:

amber

08-23-2006, 03:50 PM

foxyluva

08-23-2006, 03:52 PM

ah, hello Bob? Ever heard of alittle band called U2? They sure as hell have put out alot more hits then you :rolleyes:

Bob doesn't give a **** about making hits :shrug:

And I don't think that U2 is a good example - Bono is the most annoying musician on the planet...

estranged4life

08-23-2006, 04:06 PM

what is considered crap or not, I havent listened to radio in years...Except for 2 hours a Saturday night ("Headbanger's Ball") I don't watch ANY music related television. If I dont like a specific genre of music I just ignore it if possible, I'm sure someone will find something positive in a genre I might not care for and vice versa.

Nothing I listen to will be up winning popularity awards or be the musical basis for a 'reality TV music/talent show', nothing I listen to will be shown on late night talk-shows or become the entertainment for a Super Bowl (Btw, This coming Super Bowl's entertainment is Prince, who I do like.), nothing I listen will be followed by most here on the Ledge...and that is fine by me. To each their own.

As for the sound quality of CD vs. LP/Tape/etc., I prefer the alternatives to CD-I guess being around when CD's werent the main media has something to do with my opinion/musical media preference.

bikerchic

08-23-2006, 04:35 PM

Bono is the most annoying musician on the planet...

Yeah, but he sure puts out some good music.

bikerchic

08-23-2006, 04:36 PM

No, it doesn't. We don't speak Canadian. :shrug:

Yeah, I guess you're right. It's a Canadian joke :p

trackaghost

08-23-2006, 04:41 PM

Just saying. And no, I don't think all new music is worthless, and I know there are some people who still are good and unusual on their instruments - I just don't see them in very high proportion in the mainstream. Or barely at all. And, I don't like a lot of music anyway - but I wouldn't call it worthless. Just worthless to me. :lol: I find a few new things I like a lot, just not as many as most people.

But I thought it was funny that no one read that right, and did actually think he was talking about musicians, and not sound quality. And I think it's funny that even though several people in the thread pointed that out, people still keep "arguing" with Bob about the music quality.

As a side note, I have to say I'm not real happy about the Bob bashing. I share Stevie's awe of The Bob.

I think there are a lot of innovative and amazing musicians out there still, some are definitely in the mainstream but probably most take a little more effort seeking out.
I totally love Bob Dylan btw, didn't you see my earlier post where I called him one of the greatest singers of all-time? He'll always be cool to me even though he's got a rather creepy pencil thin moustache at the moment :D

amber

08-23-2006, 04:55 PM

I think there are a lot of innovative and amazing musicians out there still, some are definitely in the mainstream but probably most take a little more effort seeking out.
I totally love Bob Dylan btw, didn't you see my earlier post where I called him one of the greatest singers of all-time? He'll always be cool to me even though he's got a rather creepy pencil thin moustache at the moment :D

I know you love Bob. Coincidentally, my dad has a lame new mustache, too.

Anyway, who are these people who are in the mainstream and do unusual, talented, and varied songs on their instruments? With singers, of course. I'm not talking about people who just play instruments. But you like all kinds of music that doesn't grab me at all. So, I dunno.

trackaghost

08-23-2006, 05:37 PM

Anyway, who are these people who are in the mainstream and do unusual, talented, and varied songs on their instruments? With singers, of course. I'm not talking about people who just play instruments. But you like all kinds of music that doesn't grab me at all. So, I dunno.

I don't know, people like Ashlee & Jessica Simpson, J-Lo, Hilary Duff, Lindsay Lohan... artists like that.

And I know my music tastes don't grab you. The fact you've remained so quiet about that compilation CD I made you says it all :laugh: Don't worry I'm not offended. I have people screwing up their noses at me every day at work at my music taste :)

shackin'up

08-23-2006, 05:46 PM

I have people screwing up their noses at me every day at work at my music taste :)
Let's lynch them.

amber

08-23-2006, 06:16 PM

I don't know, people like Ashlee & Jessica Simpson, J-Lo, Hilary Duff, Lindsay Lohan... artists like that.

And I know my music tastes don't grab you. The fact you've remained so quiet about that compilation CD I made you says it all :laugh: Don't worry I'm not offended. I have people screwing up their noses at me every day at work at my music taste :)

Oh, you might be either more or less offended when I tell you....I haven't listened to it. :)
Did you put songs you thought I might like, or songs you just like?
Maybe I'll listen tonight. I've felt I shouldn't open any of that until I make you your thing. Course, god knows when that will happen...:lol:
Oh, and thanks for the heads up on the great music players. Shyeah.

foxyluva

08-23-2006, 06:21 PM

Yeah, but he sure puts out some good music.

In your opinion. In mine, they have not had a decent song since "One Tree Hill" off the "Joshua Tree" album :shrug:

goldustsongbird

08-23-2006, 06:44 PM

In your opinion. In mine, they have not had a decent song since "One Tree Hill" off the "Joshua Tree" album :shrug:

Haha. I've never liked U2.

foxyluva

08-23-2006, 06:47 PM

Haha. I've never liked U2.

I don't blame you - they are extremely overrated. But I do admit that "Joshua Tree" is a really awesome album :nod:

DrummerDeanna

08-23-2006, 06:51 PM

I've never been able to get into U2..and I've tried - they just don't do it for me. Dylan...I totally don't get the hype - I don't like him...I know, Stevie would smack me...but the man can't sing and his lyrics just don't do a thing for me :shrug:

BUT I do agree that in terms of overall sound a lot has been lacking in the last 20 years or so. I think a lot of it, at least in my opinion, is a departure from music and musicians and the use of computers, synths and drum machines...those things aren't and will never be as good as the real thing.

foxyluva

08-23-2006, 06:55 PM

I've never been able to get into U2..and I've tried - they just don't do it for me. Dylan...I totally don't get the hype - I don't like him...I know, Stevie would smack me...but the man can't sing and his lyrics just don't do a thing for me :shrug:

I don't think Bob is a great singer at all - that is not where his strengths lie. His lyrics are amazing, and have clearly influenced damn near every decent musician within that last 40 years. His songs like "Positively Fourth Street" and "Just Like A Woman" are incredible, so if you don't like his voice, check out other artists who sing Bob's songs - like The Pretenders version of "Forever Young" - incredible :nod:

DrummerDeanna

08-23-2006, 07:09 PM

I don't think Bob is a great singer at all - that is not where his strengths lie. His lyrics are amazing, and have clearly influenced damn near every decent musician within that last 40 years. His songs like "Positively Fourth Street" and "Just Like A Woman" are incredible, so if you don't like his voice, check out other artists who sing Bob's songs - like The Pretenders version of "Forever Young" - incredible :nod:

Yeah - I don't mind some of his songs by other artists - and I actually really like Stevie's version of Just Like a Woman.

I know they have influenced many...I guess my BOb Dylan dislike is like the folks who dislike the Beatles..I can't deny his MASSIVE influence - I just don't like him :shrug:

foxyluva

08-23-2006, 07:14 PM

just don't like him :shrug:

True dat. I don't really care for the Beatles much myself - I can see their influence, but I just wouldn't purposely listen to them :shrug:

markolas

08-23-2006, 07:16 PM

True dat. I don't really care for the Beatles much myself - I can see their influence, but I just wouldn't purposely listen to them :shrug:

Be careful. I was called an idiot when I said that here. :lol:

foxyluva

08-23-2006, 07:18 PM

Be careful. I was called an idiot when I said that here. :lol:

Really? Well **** it, I don't like the Beatles, and I admit it proudly :laugh:

goldustsongbird

08-23-2006, 07:19 PM

I don't blame you - they are extremely overrated. But I do admit that "Joshua Tree" is a really awesome album :nod:

I've never heard it. *ducks flying tomatoes* I've never cared enough to even look at a U2 album! The only song I have ever liked was The Sweetest Thing, back when it first came out. I thought the video was hilarious.

DrummerDeanna

08-23-2006, 07:20 PM

Be careful. I was called an idiot when I said that here. :lol:

Well that's because factually if you state something like that you ARE actually an idiot ;)

No - I understand that there are people who don't like the Beatles...I don't understand them - because frankly they're the greatest band ever...but I digress...I would never state that Dylan sucks or anything because I have to respect his tremendous influence...and his legend status etc...

foxyluva

08-23-2006, 07:20 PM

I've never heard it. *ducks flying tomatoes* I've never cared enough to even look at a U2 album! The only song I have ever liked was The Sweetest Thing, back when it first came out. I thought the video was hilarious.

I have heard a good 8 U2 albums in their entirety, and I have to say, you are not missing much :shrug: As I say, "Joshua Tree' was U2's finest moment - it is actually one of my favourite albums ever....

foxyluva

08-23-2006, 07:21 PM

Well that's because factually if you state something like that you ARE actually an idiot ;)

No - I understand that there are people who don't like the Beatles...I don't understand them - because frankly they're the greatest band ever...but I digress...I would never state that Dylan sucks or anything because I have to respect his tremendous influence...and his legend status etc...

I like "Elenor Rigby" - does that count :lol:

markolas

08-23-2006, 07:25 PM

Well that's because factually if you state something like that you ARE actually an idiot ;)

Well, it's a fact that I don't like the Beatles. Saying so makes me an idiot? You don't know how hard I'm trying not to type the "f" word in here somewhere. :laugh:

DrummerDeanna

08-23-2006, 07:25 PM

I like "Elenor Rigby" - does that count :lol:

I guess. The fact that you like Sophie B. Hawkins (right? you used to have her in your sig) cancels out the Beatle comment (barely) :p

markolas

08-23-2006, 07:26 PM

I like "Elenor Rigby" - does that count :lol:

I like some of their songs when sung by other people. Like when Michael Buble or Ella Fitzgerald sing "Can't Buy Me Love," or when Tina Turner sings "Come Together" or "Help." :D

foxyluva

08-23-2006, 07:27 PM

I guess. The fact that you like Sophie B. Hawkins (right? you used to have her in your sig) cancels out the Beatle comment (barely) :p

*gasp*

Was that a swipe at Sophie B.? :eek:

DrummerDeanna

08-23-2006, 07:28 PM

Well, it's a fact that I don't like the Beatles. Saying so makes me an idiot?

That is correct.

;)

I'm totally kidding, by the way. I absolutely love them - so I'd appreciate no F-words about them lol - I've come to terms with the fact that some folks don't like them....everyone has different tastes....and tastes don't make people idiots...

DrummerDeanna

08-23-2006, 07:36 PM

*gasp*

Was that a swipe at Sophie B.? :eek:

Um no, I was saying that the fact that you like her cancels out that you don't like the Beatles. I love Sophie....Haven't you seen my picture of me and her together??? :eek:

foxyluva

08-23-2006, 07:40 PM

Um no, I was saying that the fact that you like her cancels out that you don't like the Beatles. I love Sophie....Haven't you seen my picture of me and her together??? :eek:

OMG!

I love Sophie - she is my second favourite artist. Behind Stevie and in front of Bowie!!!

You got to meet her :blob2: Im jelous! Lets see the pic!!

DrummerDeanna

08-23-2006, 07:44 PM

Gladly because I love love love this photo:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v703/DeannaRG/Mensoph.jpg

She was playing at a small club/restaurant in Rochester, NY. I stuck around after the first show and talked to her manager Gigi Gaston, then Sophie came out - Gigi introduced us but said that Sophie couldn't talk because she still had another set and needed to save her voice. But Sophie did say, "What was your name again?" :laugh:

foxyluva

08-23-2006, 07:48 PM

She was playing at a small club/restaurant in Rochester, NY. I stuck around after the first show and talked to her manager Gigi Gaston, then Sophie came out - Gigi introduced us but said that Sophie couldn't talk because she still had another set and needed to save her voice. But Sophie did say, "What was your name again?" :laugh:

Lucky you!! I adore her. Although I have to admit, I am a little disapointed with her last album, which I don't like at all (give or take a few gems). She is one crazy lady though :D

And on another note - completely underrated :(

DrummerDeanna

08-23-2006, 07:53 PM

Lucky you!! I adore her. Although I have to admit, I am a little disapointed with her last album, which I don't like at all (give or take a few gems). She is one crazy lady though :D

And on another note - completely underrated :(

Which album, Wilderness? I didn't like that one as much either, but I also didn't listen to it as much as I should have - maybe I'll give it another go.

Did you know she released another one this week (at least in the state) - Live! The Bad Kitty Board Mix? And I agree - crazy and underrated :nod:

bikerchic

08-23-2006, 08:46 PM

In your opinion. In mine, they have not had a decent song since "One Tree Hill" off the "Joshua Tree" album :shrug:

Of course, in my opinion. I can't speak for anyone else. Although 22 grammy's pretty much speaks for itself. :shrug:

Now the Beatles, there's an overrated band IMO. Another Beatles hater here :wavey:

foxyluva

08-23-2006, 09:10 PM

Which album, Wilderness? I didn't like that one as much either, but I also didn't listen to it as much as I should have - maybe I'll give it another go.

Did you know she released another one this week (at least in the state) - Live! The Bad Kitty Board Mix? And I agree - crazy and underrated :nod:

Yes, "Wilderness" - I didn't like the production on the album :(

Yes, I knew she released a live album - I can't wait to get it :blob2:

Of course, in my opinion. I can't speak for anyone else. Although 22 grammy's pretty much speaks for itself. :shrug:

Who cares about Grammys?!! The Grammys are just a popularity contest anyway. Britany Spears, Beyonce and Justin Timberlake have won more Grammys than Fleetwood Mac, Neil Young, Bob Dylan and Tom Petty combined - does that make them better artists than the ones that have won none or only one or two - no.

bikerchic

08-23-2006, 09:29 PM

Who cares about Grammys?!! The Grammys are just a popularity contest anyway.

It sure meant something when Fleetwood Mac won one though :laugh:

foxyluva

08-23-2006, 09:37 PM

It sure meant something when Fleetwood Mac won one though :laugh:

Well, Fleetwood Mac were at there most popular when they won the Grammy for best album - I have always thought that although 'Rumours' is a great album, they should have gotten one for their best album "Tusk", which did deserve a Grammy. But it didn't because it did not have the same sales as "Rumours". And you can bet if that "Tusk" and "Rumours" swapped places in terms of popularity and sales, that "Tusk" would have won a Grammy and "Rumours" would have missed out...

My point is that Grammy awards don't go to who deserve them most - it goes to whoever is most popular that year or an artist who died. Whatever made more of a media impact....

estranged4life

08-23-2006, 09:45 PM

My point is that Grammy awards don't go to who deserve them most - it goes to whoever is most popular that year or an artist who died. Whatever made more of a media impact....

the Grummies when Jethro Tull won best metal over ME-Tallica...Nothing against Jethro Tull, but metal they ain't.

Sure Nuff, the following year the Grummie official assclowns awarded ME-tallica the award for best metal...Hmmm, I wonder why :rolleyes:

Red

08-23-2006, 10:01 PM

face of glass

08-24-2006, 02:05 AM

Back to the point, music has not gone downhill, just Mr Dylan's hearing it seems. There's nothing wrong with the sound quality to my ears. Maybe he needs to invest in a better sound system.
I think he also refers to how everything on mainstream radio is nowadays overcompressed to sound the same and you can't really tell the songs from each other especially if you're not tuned into what's hip. People have always removed flaws from the musicians' performances especially if they're releasing that particular performance (in the good old days they spliced the tape, these days they can do whatever they want), but there's no need to compress everything together into the same perfect homogenous piece of plastic or to use your autotuners to fix a slightly flawed vocal. Except when you want everything to sound the same and that nothing from your regularly scheduled programming has the chance of slightly irritating you. But then all this compressing and fixing takes a large part of humanity away from music; the flaws.

As for "modern music"; nothing prevents you from enjoying all the albums from the past because there surely is a lot to explore. You can still listen to something from 1967 or whatever and be just as stunned by it today as people were back then. And each year always adds something interesting to this musical library. Why draw the line between 'the new' and 'the old'? Because it's another human thing to do. ;)

Für Elise

08-24-2006, 02:25 AM

In your opinion. In mine, they have not had a decent song since "One Tree Hill" off the "Joshua Tree" album :shrug:Achtung Baby is amazing.

Mari

08-24-2006, 02:56 AM

Personally I think that these days you really have to look for good music...its just not that readily available. Good music is not on tv and it sure as hell can't be found on popular radio anymore like it was, oh, say 20 years ago. Right Bob?

It doesn't mean its not there and it doean't mean that there aren't albums that are beautifully and artfully recorded. They exist, but man, you gotta hunt for it.

That's very true! I didn't listen to radio for years because I got fed up with most of the mainstream stuff (not all of it;) ). And partly because of that I didn't listen to music as much as I used to, before.
Since I found some cool alternative internet radiostations, I've been discovering a lot more new artists and bands that I like... they're certainly out there. And let's not forget myspace, a great way to check out different songs from artists I'm curious about. So.. to find out about new artists, I guess it helps if you know the new 'technology' like internetradio etc.

Nico

08-24-2006, 09:24 AM

Did you read in the several posts before this, and Bob's words himself in the original post, that he was actually talking not about the artists, but about the sound quality of music on CD's? Just wondering.

Nope. In all honesty, I did not. Sometimes I just never bother to, because when I read something that interests me enough to comment, I always get disappointed when I read through other posts and realize that maybe the whole thing was meant in an entirely different context, etc. So then I lose the chance to say what I want. So I just figure "ignore it, maybe no one will notice..." But yeah, serves me right. I still meant half of what I said anyway. :)

SuzeQuze

08-24-2006, 09:36 AM

I think he also refers to how everything on mainstream radio is nowadays overcompressed to sound the same and you can't really tell the songs from each other especially if you're not tuned into what's hip. People have always removed flaws from the musicians' performances especially if they're releasing that particular performance (in the good old days they spliced the tape, these days they can do whatever they want), but there's no need to compress everything together into the same perfect homogenous piece of plastic or to use your autotuners to fix a slightly flawed vocal. Except when you want everything to sound the same and that nothing from your regularly scheduled programming has the chance of slightly irritating you. But then all this compressing and fixing takes a large part of humanity away from music; the flaws.

...

I agree and they did way to much of this to Bo Bice's album. He sounded like some vanilla singer, the soul of his voice was stripped away.

SuzeQuze

08-24-2006, 09:42 AM