Tom Petty Fans airing out opinions about Stevie touring with Tom Petty. [Archive]

Macfanforever

08-13-2006, 10:49 AM

Ya Tom Petty Fans on his board are airing out opinions about Stevie on touring
with him. Will everyone has a right to give out their opinions.alot of negative
ones too.Hum .things like "BEAT IT STEVIE!!" and "well her site just said till the 9th I'm praying its true" Wow they hate her that much. We here are not like that with Tom.

TP Board link.
http://tompetty.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1426055511/m/5671049851

no_spoken_word

08-13-2006, 11:10 AM

In their defense, a lot of us were saying the same things about Don Henley last summer.

I, on the other hand, am totally bummed that Stevie probably won't be at Darien Lake on Tuesday.:distress:

MacMan

08-13-2006, 11:26 AM

I don't think they really "hate" here. I think the TP fans have many of the same issues Mac fans do in that the setlist doesn't change much or at all. And they feel that Stevie being there cuts out the opportunity that TP will play something out of the blue or unexpected. Something they haven't heard in years or at all since it's his 30th anniversary. They just want Tom to dig deeper into his catelogue. Sure some don't like her and that's fine, but really, it's not like she's there for half the show singing away. And she's singing TP songs. And there's plenty that are standing up and saying they liked her being there.

RockALittle250

08-13-2006, 11:32 AM

F*** them! I hope Stevie doesn't continue touring with Tom Petty just so those people won't have the priviledge and honor of seeing her in person. His fans are really weird...i mean, how in the hell could you not love Stevie!!?? :mad:

xxxmx

08-13-2006, 11:33 AM

we were all bitching (at least i was) about the tour with don last year, but i think this is completely different. she actually only sings (noticeably) on three songs, all of which are his - at least in part. if don was hanging around last summer to simply duet on a few songs, i may have actually looked forward to his presence.

and tom hasn't been messing with his setlist all tour. grrr, why do i feel like i need to defend Homegirl? ;)

SuzeQuze

08-13-2006, 11:52 AM

RockALittle250

08-13-2006, 11:53 AM

Holy crap, your Super Ex-Girlfriend poster is the best! :lol:

Yea, and that pic of Stevie as a "horse trainor" is absolutely stunning! :)

Miss Vicky

08-13-2006, 11:55 AM

Wow they hate her that much.

Obviously, you didn't bother to actually read the board before posting this drivel on here. If you actually look at what people are saying, the overall message is "We like Stevie, but - since this may be Tom's last tour - we just want to see the boys, not the boys AND Stevie Nicks." Even the person who said "BEAT IT STEVIE" goes on to explain that he/she thinks Tom might mix up the setlist more if she isn't there - the implication, of course, is that her presence obligates him to play "Stop Draggin My Heart Around," "Insider," and "I Need to Know." And without her, he can replace those with something else.

Also, for every comment saying "I hope she isn't there," there's at least one more saying "I hope she is."

F*** them! I hope Stevie doesn't continue touring with Tom Petty just so those people won't have the priviledge and honor of seeing her in person. His fans are really weird...i mean, how in the hell could you not love Stevie!!?? :mad:

Seriously? Just because you worship the ground she walks on and are of the opinion that her **** doesn't stink, doesn't mean that other people - especially fans of another band - are obligated to agree with you. And there are plenty of people out there who would find you weird for loving Stevie.

SortaSavageLike

08-13-2006, 11:59 AM

Oh thank God. Petty's fans don't have to live through sleepless nights worrying that Stevie's flying vagina of death will eat them alive during the concert.

RockALittle250

08-13-2006, 12:00 PM

DrummerDeanna

08-13-2006, 12:02 PM

Seriously? Just because you worship the ground she walks on and are of the opinion that her **** doesn't stink, doesn't mean that other people - especially fans of another band - are obligated to agree with you. And there are plenty of people out there who would find you weird for loving Stevie.

Good God I can't believe I'm agreeing with you on something ;)

But yeah - saying "F**k 'em?" ...a bit harsh. I can totally understand the frustration some Tom fans might have :shrug:

And I've been a rabid Stevie fan for years now - I've come to terms with the fact that not everyone likes her, in fact there are many people who can't stand her (just like with EVERY artist). :shrug: And no one HAS to hate someone - they just sometimes to. I don't HAVE TO hate Mariah Carey, I just do (with a fiery passion) - and there are people who feel the same way about La Nicks. It's a fact of life - there will always be people who don't like/hate people that you happen to like/love. This life lesson brought to you by the letter T.

I think it's great that Stevie fans get to see her this tour - but I can totally understand the Tom setiments as well :o

RockALittle250

08-13-2006, 12:05 PM

Yea, my first outburst may have been a bit harsh, it was just my initial reaction to the Stevie backlashing on the TP forums. Although most people are saying they do like Stevie, the ones who don't, really don't, and i dunno, i'm just viewing it from my own Stevie fan perspective and not a Tom Petty fans' perspective.

Miss Vicky

08-13-2006, 12:05 PM

Not saying they have to love her, but they don't have to hate her either...

If you actually read the Petty message board, you'll see that they DON'T HATE HER. There's a lot of love for Stevie on those boards, but the comments are being taken out of context.

Do your homework before you make judgements.

SortaSavageLike

08-13-2006, 12:06 PM

Personally, I wish Tom would stop hogging Stevie's setlist. I mean c'mon, he sings with her on like four songs, and three of those are just harmony. The other 85% of the concert is just Tom doing a bunch of songs without Stevie. Stevie doesn't even do any of her own songs on stage! I know Tom's a special guest and all but that's just freakin' ridiculous! :mad:

RockALittle250

08-13-2006, 12:07 PM

If you actually read the Petty message board, you'll see that they DON'T HATE HER. There's a lot of love for Stevie on those boards, but the comments are being taken out of context.

Do your homework before you make judgements.

^^ read my above post...i'm not going to repeat it.

Miss Vicky

08-13-2006, 12:09 PM

^^ read my above post...i'm not going to repeat it.

You typed that response while I was typing mine. Don't worry I read it afterwards. I can't help the timing. :shrug:

David

08-13-2006, 12:09 PM

Originally Posted by RockALittle250
Not saying they have to love her, but they don't have to hate her either...
Aren't there any rock stars you hate?

This lambasting of Tom Petty fans for--gosh! daring to speak on a message board devoted to Tom Petty!--is solipsistic. A lot of people hate Stevie Nicks & Fleetwood Mac. A lot of my very own friends & family hate Stevie Nicks & Fleetwood Mac. I'm sure the same is true of everyone. Are you going to work yourself up into a hissy-snit because of it?

RockALittle250

08-13-2006, 12:10 PM

You typed that response while I was typing mine. Don't worry I read it afterwards. I can't help the timing. :shrug:

LOL...that's ok! :wavey:

DrummerDeanna

08-13-2006, 12:11 PM

You typed that response while I was typing mine. Don't worry I read it afterwards. I can't help the timing. :shrug:

we know you can't help things like that, not being a Stevie fan and all...didn't you get the memo about Stevie fans being 85% more effecient in life and message boards than the rest of the population (especially those darn Lindsey fans).

Totally kidding....I'm in a strange (lack of sleepish) mood. Forgive. :p

SortaSavageLike

08-13-2006, 12:12 PM

Aren't there any rock stars you hate?

This lambasting of Tom Petty fans for--gosh! daring to speak on a message board devoted to Tom Petty!--is solipsistic. A lot of people hate Stevie Nicks & Fleetwood Mac. A lot of my very own friends & family hate Stevie Nicks & Fleetwood Mac. I'm sure the same is true of everyone. Are you going to work yourself up into a hissy-snit because of it?

Well, instead of having a hissy-snit, we could just fantasize about murdering those people.

To ourselves, of course.

Miss Vicky

08-13-2006, 12:13 PM

Totally kidding....I'm in a strange (lack of sleepish) mood. Forgive. :p

I got the joke. :thumbsup:

bikerchic

08-13-2006, 12:14 PM

Who cares. It's just a small handful of die hard Petty fans, who would probably say that about "anybody" that toured with him. I do have to laugh when I hear them say things like "you know that the set is always going to be the same when Stevie's there." :laugh: No guff. Us Stevie fans have had the same set list since 1983 :laugh:

carrie721

08-13-2006, 01:21 PM

we know you can't help things like that, not being a Stevie fan and all...didn't you get the memo about Stevie fans being 85% more effecient in life and message boards than the rest of the population (especially those darn Lindsey fans).

:lol:

Personally, I wish Tom would stop hogging Stevie's setlist. I mean c'mon, he sings with her on like four songs, and three of those are just harmony. The other 85% of the concert is just Tom doing a bunch of songs without Stevie. Stevie doesn't even do any of her own songs on stage! I know Tom's a special guest and all but that's just freakin' ridiculous! :mad:

i know, right? and now they're saying she might not even show up to some of the shows - tom's totally taking over her solo tour!! :distress: maybe the flying vagina of death turned on her? :shrug:

ELIUD

08-13-2006, 02:22 PM

I remember people bitching about Sheryl Crow on this board whenever she popped out on stage at a Stevie concert. It's all the same type of reaction. I don't expect everyone to love Stevie and I certainly don't care what Tom's devoted fans say about her on their fan forums. All I know is when I went to see Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers a couple of weeks ago - the crowd went ape **** for Stevie and so did I. We all had a great time and I wouldn't have gone if Stevie wasn't going to be there.

Lee

08-13-2006, 05:25 PM

Well, on one hand, I can see the Petty fans' point. What if it was Stevie's last solo tour, would you want Don Henley there? :lol: Not exactly. Now if Lindsey showed up, that would be different. :lol: Different strokes for different folks, not everyone loves Stevie like some of us. :shrug:

Lee :)

DrummerDeanna

08-13-2006, 05:42 PM

Now if Lindsey showed up, that would be different. :lol: Different strokes for different folks, not everyone loves Stevie like some of us. :shrug:

Lee :)

Hell I even know a woman who has loved Stevie since childhood and just worships her but HATES Lindsey with a fiery passion..I mean HATES him. :shrug: Different strokes for different folks indeed :nod:

BlackWidow

08-13-2006, 07:14 PM

Obviously, you didn't bother to actually read the board before posting this drivel on here. If you actually look at what people are saying, the overall message is "We like Stevie, but - since this may be Tom's last tour - we just want to see the boys, not the boys AND Stevie Nicks." Even the person who said "BEAT IT STEVIE" goes on to explain that he/she thinks Tom might mix up the setlist more if she isn't there - the implication, of course, is that her presence obligates him to play "Stop Draggin My Heart Around," "Insider," and "I Need to Know." And without her, he can replace those with something else.

Also, for every comment saying "I hope she isn't there," there's at least one more saying "I hope she is."

Seriously? Just because you worship the ground she walks on and are of the opinion that her **** doesn't stink, doesn't mean that other people - especially fans of another band - are obligated to agree with you. And there are plenty of people out there who would find you weird for loving Stevie.
And there are many who don't even know who Walter Egan is..or care...:D

Lee

08-13-2006, 07:51 PM

Hell I even know a woman who has loved Stevie since childhood and just worships her but HATES Lindsey with a fiery passion..I mean HATES him. :shrug: Different strokes for different folks indeed :nod:

:eek: Oh, I so hope Christy doesn't see this! :laugh:

Lee :)

Miss Vicky

08-13-2006, 07:51 PM

And there are many who don't even know who Walter Egan is..or care...:D

And this is relevant how?

foxyluva

08-13-2006, 08:13 PM

And this is relevant how?

I think that BlackWidow is trying to be humorous :rollseyes:

Miss Vicky

08-13-2006, 08:16 PM

I think that BlackWidow is trying to be humorous :rollseyes:

In that case, to BlackWidow:

Nice try, but no cigar.

Johnny Stew

08-13-2006, 08:28 PM

Even the person who said "BEAT IT STEVIE" goes on to explain that he/she thinks Tom might mix up the setlist more if she isn't there - the implication, of course, is that her presence obligates him to play "Stop Draggin My Heart Around," "Insider," and "I Need to Know." And without her, he can replace those with something else.Well, there's nothing stopping T.P. and the boys from swapping out the other eighteen songs in the setlist, even if the above three remain in place while Stevie's there. I doubt she's holding them back in any way.

Certainly though, and like you said, most of the T.P. fans seem to really like Stevie... and even if they didn't, that's cool, too. We Nicks fans shouldn't get rattled every time someone comes along who doesn't like her. That's probably one of the biggest things that gives us such a bad reputation... though I'll add, for the millionth time, that we're certainly not the only fan community who's defensive and protective of their favorite artist.

Miss Vicky

08-13-2006, 08:30 PM

though I'll add, for the millionth time, that we're certainly not the only fan community who's defensive and protective of their favorite artist.

coughcoughsongbirdscoughcough

:D

SapphireSister

08-13-2006, 08:42 PM

I was hoping the tour would continue without Tom! :D

Seriously though, my initial reaction was "OMG how could anyone not want to see Stevie?" but that is of course b/c I'm a Stevie fan, not a Tom fan. I totally understand their perspective. When Stevie was touring with Don, I wanted it to only be her (which it was thankfully when she got to Cali) and even when she's with FM I perfer it be just Stevie so who can blame these people, they are die hard Tom fans.

SapphireSister

08-13-2006, 08:47 PM

This is a bit harsh from one of the obviously hard-core TP fans but kind of funny at the same time:

I just came right out and said it, being totally honest!...Stevie's gotta go!!....I was lucky enough to see TP with Pearl Jam in Milwaukee for 2 nights and let me tell you the tunes were better...we got to hear "Here comes my girl" , "Honey Bee", "Its Good To Be King" ( which was the most unbelievable version i've ever heard" "Cabin Down Below" and of course "The Waiting" with Eddie Vedder....Now when that animal stevie comes out, it's soooo boring, yes yes Stop Draggin my heart around is awesome, but some on now.. I'd rather hear somethin' elese. STEVIE STAY AWAY FROM BUFFALO AND TORONTO!....
Yep, our gal's a real animal aint' she! :lol: ;) Just for that guy I'm going to pray she shows up to both of these shows.

Johnny Stew

08-13-2006, 08:48 PM

even when she's with FM I prefer it be just Stevie so who can blame these people, they are die hard Tom fans.As a sidenote, my aunt and my best friend both like Stevie... certainly not to any diehard degree, but they are fans and own a few of her albums. Well, the two of them went to the opening show for the 'TISL' tour in Pittsburgh, and when they got home, they bitched that Sheryl Crow sang two of her own songs when they wanted to see only Stevie!

So it's not even just diehards who complain about "special guests." :shocked:

SortaSavageLike

08-13-2006, 08:50 PM

Yep, our gal's a real animal aint' she! :lol: ;) Just for that guy I'm going to pray she shows up to both of these shows.

I am become Stevie, eater of souls.

SapphireSister

08-13-2006, 08:54 PM

As a sidenote, my aunt and my best friend both like Stevie... certainly not to any diehard degree, but they are fans and own a few of her albums. Well, the two of them went to the opening show for the 'TISL' tour in Pittsburgh, and when they got home, they bitched that Sheryl Crow sang two of her own songs when they wanted to see only Stevie!

So it's not even just diehards who complain about "special guests." :shocked:
True Johnny boy, but the people who chat on the TP forum probably are and that's who we're talking about so there! :xoxo:

foxyluva

08-13-2006, 08:55 PM

BlackWidow

08-14-2006, 10:27 AM

I think that BlackWidow is trying to be humorous :rollseyes:
Miss Vicky loves to fling it..but can't take it....;) :laugh:

wondergirl9847

08-14-2006, 10:39 AM

:eek: Oh, I so hope Christy doesn't see this! :laugh:

Lee :)

I saw it. :(

What the hell is wrong with your friend? How can anyone hate Lindsey?! I mean, she's just stupid!

;)

:laugh:

Phoenix

08-14-2006, 10:47 AM

Oh thank God. Petty's fans don't have to live through sleepless nights worrying that Stevie's flying vagina of death will eat them alive during the concert.

BBBWWWAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAH!!!!:]
oH HOLLY HELL,I was just innocently having breackfast, and had decided to check the ledge. I just almost got orange juice in my nose laughin at that one.

Phoenix

08-14-2006, 10:51 AM

All I can say is that I can understand where the Tom Petty fans are coming from - if Tom Petty toured with Stevie on her last tour ever, I would want him to piss off so we could have more Stevie songs, even though I adore him :shrug:

I agree. This is how I allways feel here in PHOENIX, Where Stevie has the Stevie nicks and friends concerts, Im allways like ok Sheryl, I like ya, but enough is enough, Now lets bring on the bacon!!! and then they introduce chris Isack. and Im like NOT WHAT i HAD IN MIND.:lol:

Phoenix

08-14-2006, 11:05 AM

Well, instead of having a hissy-snit, we could just fantasize about murdering those people.

To ourselves, of course.

ZZZZZZZIIIIINNNG! :laugh:
SortaSavagelike Shoots! ..................SortaSavagelike SCORES!

DrummerDeanna

08-14-2006, 01:47 PM

I saw it. :(

What the hell is wrong with your friend? How can anyone hate Lindsey?! I mean, she's just stupid!

;)

:laugh:

*ahem* the same can be said of those who hate "Hey Jude" ;)

Heh - well she's really just loved Stevie forever and can't get over the Lindsey is a jerk stuff she's heard -and she finds what she sees as his big ego to be off-putting. I've tried to change her mind, but generally she just hates the man :shrug:

BTFLCHLD

08-14-2006, 02:49 PM

Typing of opinions and expressions, RockALittle250 is entitled to his even if it is "F*** them!" and you don't like it.

skcin

08-14-2006, 03:01 PM

^ Even if it makes them sound totally immature too. :nod:

DavidMn

08-14-2006, 03:08 PM

Whatever!:mad: I could say to all of them that it must be really nice to listen to a guy sing like he's holding his nose all the time.:nod:

ricohv

08-14-2006, 05:18 PM

I hate to be without a strong enough opinion to jump in and fire a potshot aimed at someone for expressing too strongly/weakly their devotional-love/burning-hate for Tom/Don/Stevie/Tom n'Stevie/Don n'Stevie/Tom n'Don (?),
HOWEVER!
all I ask is simply:
WHAT THE HELL IS STEVIE'S FLYING V*GINA OF DEATH?
I feel myself blush when I ask that because I only speak of my girl in g-rated terms...when she was uncomfortable singing the word "bitch" in a song, I was uncomfortable for her. What a dork, huh?
anyways, am I the only one confused?

BTFLCHLD

08-14-2006, 05:29 PM

WHAT THE HELL IS STEVIE'S FLYING V*GINA OF DEATH? I don't want to know. :distress:

DrummerDeanna

08-14-2006, 05:39 PM

Typing of opinions and expressions, RockALittle250 is entitled to his even if it is "F*** them!" and you don't like it.

Very true - but then people are perfectly entitled to voice their opinions about that :shrug:

BTFLCHLD

08-14-2006, 05:41 PM

Very true - but then people are perfectly entitled to voice their opinions about that :shrug: Of course. And a round-and-round we go...where it stops nobody knows! :lol: ;)

THINKABOUTIT

08-14-2006, 06:49 PM

I agree with everyone here....for the hardcore TP fans, it's several issues that piss them off...but I also think that they just want Tom all to themselves, as we want Stevie :D and they are a tad pissy with the amazing response she gets ...hummm..:laugh:

THINKABOUTIT

08-14-2006, 06:53 PM

Oh thank God. Petty's fans don't have to live through sleepless nights worrying that Stevie's flying vagina of death will eat them alive during the concert.

oh my god you made my day...my laugh of the year!!! :lol: :lol:

DrummerDeanna

08-14-2006, 06:53 PM

Of course. And a round-and-round we go...where it stops nobody knows! :lol: ;)

And again, very true :laugh:

Still I do think it's a little harsh and/or sad to basically write off anyone who doesn't like the same things you do :shrug:

SortaSavageLike

08-14-2006, 06:56 PM

WHAT THE HELL IS STEVIE'S FLYING V*GINA OF DEATH?

It has acid for blood, too!

Serrart

08-14-2006, 07:30 PM

Why could it be last Tom Petty's tour?

Romy

BlackWidow

08-14-2006, 07:58 PM

Whatever!:mad: I could say to all of them that it must be really nice to listen to a guy sing like he's holding his nose all the time.:nod:
LMAO!!!:wavey:

Miss Vicky

08-14-2006, 10:29 PM

Miss Vicky loves to fling it..but can't take it....;) :laugh:

I have a fine sense of humor and can take jokes quite well, actually. I just don't find anything funny about you calling me a bitch in a public forum or dragging irrelevant topics into a conversation in an attempt to offend me. Like I've said before, if you have a particular problem with me, take it to PMs. Otherwise just knock it off already.

BlackWidow

08-14-2006, 11:21 PM

I have a fine sense of humor and can take jokes quite well, actually. I just don't find anything funny about you calling me a bitch in a public forum or dragging irrelevant topics into a conversation in an attempt to offend me. Like I've said before, if you have a particular problem with me, take it to PMs. Otherwise just knock it off already.
I have no problems....:xoxo:

DavidMn

08-15-2006, 04:30 PM

LMAO!!!:wavey:I'm just not a fan of his AT ALL. Cant take that style of singing, but if it works for other people, thats ok.

DWIG

08-15-2006, 04:42 PM

Love TP ^TH byt would rather see Stevie on her own any day of the week!!!

Stevie will compliment Tom's show's, and add to the ticket sales - so his fans ought to be happy she is there!

JazmenFlowers

08-15-2006, 05:07 PM

Love TP ^TH byt would rather see Stevie on her own any day of the week!!!

Stevie will compliment Tom's show's, and add to the ticket sales - so his fans ought to be happy she is there!
very true.

it's not that big of a deal. not everyone likes or even appreciates Stevie. it is what it is.

DavidMn

08-15-2006, 05:12 PM

very true.

it's not that big of a deal. not everyone likes or even appreciates Stevie. it is what it is.Yes, you're right. When I first read this, I wanted to go over and troll the Petty boards, but I thought "What purpose would that serve?"

Miss Vicky

08-15-2006, 09:59 PM

Whatever!:mad: I could say to all of them that it must be really nice to listen to a guy sing like he's holding his nose all the time.:nod:

You must have him mistaken with Bob Dylan, who, I might add, your precious Stevie is sounding more and more like every day.

In any case, it's not Petty's voice that is the reason why his fans love him. It's the music itself and the words he writes. Not to mention the fact that, unlike some other artists, he doesn't seem to see his fans as nothing but dollar signs.

JazmenFlowers

08-15-2006, 10:10 PM

You must have him mistaken with Bob Dylan, who, I might add, your precious Stevie is sounding more and more like every day.
oh, ouch...that hits terribly close to home.

and maybe it's b/c I'm blonde, but who are you referring to in the second part of your post? I'm not that smart.

Miss Vicky

08-15-2006, 10:22 PM

oh, ouch...that hits terribly close to home.

and maybe it's b/c I'm blonde, but who are you referring to in the second part of your post? I'm not that smart.

Tom Petty of course. He's always looked out for his fans and made efforts to keep his ticket and album prices reasonable (at least relative to what other artists charge) and that's part of his appeal - at least it is for me.

strandinthewind

08-16-2006, 08:54 AM

. . . Not to mention the fact that, unlike some other artists, he doesn't seem to see his fans as nothing but dollar signs.

You mean like LB :p :rolleyes:

BlackWidow

08-16-2006, 09:03 AM

oh, ouch...that hits terribly close to home.

and maybe it's b/c I'm blonde, but who are you referring to in the second part of your post? I'm not that smart.
dont get her started....;)

Miss Vicky

08-16-2006, 09:04 AM

You mean like LB :p :rolleyes:

Um... actually if I was thinking of anyone in particular with that statement, it was Mick.

strandinthewind

08-16-2006, 09:05 AM

Um... actually if I was thinking of anyone in particular with that statement, it was Mick.

I love their music and think they are all way cool - but I also am pretty confident they love the money too. I certainly would!

BlackWidow

08-16-2006, 09:09 AM

I love their music and think they are all way cool - but I also am pretty confident they love the money too. I certainly would!
they are in business too...:thumbsup:

Miss Vicky

08-16-2006, 09:10 AM

I love their music and think they are all way cool - but I also am pretty confident they love the money too. I certainly would!

Well, see it how you want. I'm not denying that they all love the money part of their fame and careers, but I doubt that you'll ever see a wine bottle with Tom Petty's name on it in a Costco or anywhere else, ever.

As for LB. If he is so fixated on money, why is that we're just now getting a solo album after 14 years of waiting? If money was any real incentive for him, he would've had it done and released shortly after The Dance when interest was at its peak.

strandinthewind

08-16-2006, 09:20 AM

. . . As for LB. If he is so fixated on money, why is that we're just now getting a solo album after 14 years of waiting? If money was any real incentive for him, he would've had it done and released shortly after The Dance when interest was at its peak.

I think that is mostly due to two things:

1. His label wasn't really that interested because he has a much smaller fan base than Stevie.

2. His pathos

Interestingly, he seems to have learned his lesson somewhat with the release of this record somewhat close to SYW.

I conclude he likes the money because:

1. GYOW is used for car commercials

2. He travels just like the rest of them

3. He mentioned his multi-million dollar house in that doc. and while driving his $100,000 Mercedes.

Note - I do not fault him for any of this. In fact, I wish I had his money and if I had his talent, I would do exactly the same thing only more of it to make even more money :cool:

Miss Vicky

08-16-2006, 09:25 AM

I conclude he likes the money because:

I just said that I don't deny that they all like the money, I just don't see it as a big incentive for him. Also, let's not forget that, although he didn't get the double album he was pushing for, he still had to forfeit royalties on some of his songs to get SYW to the length it was (granted, some people don't see the length as a positive thing, but that's beside my point). It seems to me that if money was that big of a motivator, he would've pared it down to 12 songs and collected royalties on all of his.

strandinthewind

08-16-2006, 09:28 AM

SortaSavageLike

08-16-2006, 09:30 AM

I think that is mostly due to two things:
I conclude he likes the money because:

1. GYOW is used for car commercials

2. He travels just like the rest of them

3. He mentioned his multi-million dollar house in that doc. and while driving his $100,000 Mercedes.

Buh Buh Buhh But..!!! He lives in a two bedroom apartment! He records all his music in his basement! He lives in a world of cycles and pain! He suffers for his art! Right...? :shrug:

Miss Vicky

08-16-2006, 09:32 AM

Well, they both had the same amount of songs. So, seemingly they both got the same royalties :shrug:

On the other hand, it seems to me that both have large enough egos that Stevie might have insisted on having the same amount of songs as Lindsey, but we'll never know.

Also - I forgot to address your point about GYOW being in commercials. That's not quite the same, since it is the automobile corporations that he is making the money from, not the fans.

In any case, we're going to have to agree to disagree and leave it as that, as I have to go to work now.

strandinthewind

08-16-2006, 09:42 AM

On the other hand, it seems to me that both have large enough egos that Stevie might have insisted on having the same amount of songs as Lindsey, but we'll never know.

Also - I forgot to address your point about GYOW being in commercials. That's not quite the same, since it is the automobile corporations that he is making the money from, not the fans.

In any case, we're going to have to agree to disagree and leave it as that, as I have to go to work now.

To many (not me mind you) - selling out you art to a commercial is the same as slapping your name on a bottle of wine - in fact, it could be considered worse as the wine had nothing to do with the music while the commercial did. In other words, Mick was not selling out his art, LB was.

strandinthewind

08-16-2006, 09:43 AM

Buh Buh Buhh But..!!! He lives in a two bedroom apartment! He records all his music in his basement! He lives in a world of cycles and pain! He suffers for his art! Right...? :shrug:

Bless his heart :laugh:

SortaSavageLike

08-16-2006, 09:52 AM

strandinthewind

08-16-2006, 09:55 AM

If an artist you really like is making money from car commercials, they're not selling out. If an artist you dislike is making money from car commercials, they're selling out.

Right?

It reminds me of that line in "Bullets Over Broadway" when the Rob Reiner character gleefully states that he has never had a success because he could not lower his art for commercial sale - or something like that.

The Tower

08-16-2006, 12:06 PM

I just said that I don't deny that they all like the money, I just don't see it as a big incentive for him. Also, let's not forget that, although he didn't get the double album he was pushing for, he still had to forfeit royalties on some of his songs to get SYW to the length it was (granted, some people don't see the length as a positive thing, but that's beside my point). It seems to me that if money was that big of a motivator, he would've pared it down to 12 songs and collected royalties on all of his.

Well, they both had the same amount of songs. So, seemingly they both got the same royalties :shrug:

Mechanical royalties for albums don't work like that- they are capped at a certain number of songs. Back in the stone age when I was still involved in music business, mechanical royalties were paid up to ten songs per album. However, I think it might be up to 12 these days, but, I'm not sure.

So, 10, 15, 18, or 23 songs- the mechanical royalties for the album sales are all the same.

BTFLCHLD

08-16-2006, 12:08 PM

How many songs did Stevie write for SYW?

chiliD

08-16-2006, 12:14 PM

His fans are really weird...i mean, how in the hell could you not love Stevie!!?? :mad:

It's understandable. Hell, there are even FLEETWOOD MAC fans who wish Stevie'd just go away. :nod:

strandinthewind

08-16-2006, 12:17 PM

Mechanical royalties for albums don't work like that- they are capped at a certain number of songs. Back in the stone age when I was still involved in music business, mechanical royalties were paid up to ten songs per album. However, I think it might be up to 12 these days, but, I'm not sure.

So, 10, 15, 18, or 23 songs- the mechanical royalties for the album sales are all the same.

Right, but would they then get royalties for writing six each - or did LB take, say, 4 and La Nicks 8?

Johnny Stew

08-16-2006, 01:01 PM

Right, but would they then get royalties for writing six each - or did LB take, say, 4 and La Nicks 8?I think the individual songwriter gets full royalty payments up to 10 songs. So Lindsey got full payment on his 9 'Say You Will' songs, as did Stevie. But if it had been a double, 24-track album, then they each would have had reduced royalty rates to make up the difference on their additional songs. Lindsey was offering to take the hit himself, so Stevie would receive her full royalty payments. Remember him saying in the documentary that, in figuring out how he could swing that financially, he'd have to be guaranteed that the band would tour for a solid two years (or was it three?) for him to recoup his loss on the album? Since he wasn't confident that the band would tour for that long, he made the decision to pare the album back to one disc.

Why on Earth they didn't split all the tracks they had into two separate albums and release them a year apart, is beyond me. They wouldn't have had to discuss royalty rates and reduced payments, or any of that stuff.

strandinthewind

08-16-2006, 01:14 PM

. . . Why on Earth they didn't split all the tracks they had into two separate albums and release them a year apart, is beyond me. They wouldn't have had to discuss royalty rates and reduced payments, or any of that stuff.

I agree, esp. since they were going to tour that long anyway :shrug:

MacMan

08-16-2006, 01:17 PM

I think the individualRemember him saying in the documentary that, in figuring out how he could swing that financially, he'd have to be guaranteed that the band would tour for a solid two years (or was it three?) for him to recoup his loss on the album? Since he wasn't confident that the band would tour for that long, he made the decision to pare the album back to one disc.

I don't remember it quite like that ( I'd have to go back and look at it again). The only thing about that section I remember is he saying that if Stevie decided to pull out after say 40 shows, then he'd have to reconsider whether it be a single or double cd.

David

08-16-2006, 01:18 PM

Why on Earth they didn't split all the tracks they had into two separate albums and release them a year apart, is beyond me. They wouldn't have had to discuss royalty rates and reduced payments, or any of that stuff.Aesthetic decisions come into play at some point, don't they? Apart from the financial & business considerations, there is an aesthetic statement being made with a big collection of tracks all called "Say You Will." What that is precisely, you'd have to ask Fleetwood Mac. But I have no doubt it's there & that it played a role in the decision.

For example, I think Lindsey & perhaps Mick very much had "Tusk" on their minds when they were planning & getting started on this album.

DrummerDeanna

08-16-2006, 01:22 PM

I don't remember it quite like that ( I'd have to go back and look at it again). The only thing about that section I remember is he saying that if Stevie decided to pull out after say 40 shows, then he'd have to reconsider whether it be a single or double cd.

Good God. I just thought (thought this has NOTHING to do with anything) I'd mention that the White Strips "ad" in your sig has got me dying over here...that's pretty damn funny :lol:

BTFLCHLD

08-16-2006, 01:22 PM

The Tower

08-16-2006, 01:34 PM

Right, but would they then get royalties for writing six each - or did LB take, say, 4 and La Nicks 8?
I believe the band splits the mechanical royalties between the four of them.

The publishing royalties, performance/singles royalties are paid to the songwriter.

I could be wrong, though..... it's been so long since I've had to deal with this type of crap.

David

08-16-2006, 02:17 PM

I believe the band splits the mechanical royalties between the four of them.

The publishing royalties, performance/singles royalties are paid to the songwriter.Thanks for that info, tower. I don't know how all this royalty stuff works.

Serrart

08-16-2006, 05:58 PM

Buh Buh Buhh But..!!! He lives in a two bedroom apartment! He records all his music in his basement! He lives in a world of cycles and pain! He suffers for his art! Right...? :shrug:

Yes! He actually went to live in a trailer to record his album like that kid, that director, what's his name? And poor boy is hunted by that greedy blonde singing woman... :woohoo: Luckily she's still faster.

Romy

Mokona

08-16-2006, 06:36 PM

I, on the other hand, am totally bummed that Stevie probably won't be at Darien Lake on Tuesday.

She wasn't there? Wow...in a way (don't hate me), I'm sort of glad because I decided not to go to that concert because I didn't want to sit through Tom Petty's music.

That's really a shame though, because the guys who delivered my new dryer yesterday were going there especially to see Stevie. :distress:

Macfanforever

08-16-2006, 09:13 PM

Oh wow. I'm still alive, just got back from some time off,I'll apologize to the Tom Petty fans, I got pissed off on here, I guest I got out of hand reading the TP&HB board for a couple of days and went nutts overprotecting Stevie.I'm sorry.I like Tom Petty, I like his music all these years, It was nice to see him live.Hahaha so he sounds nasaly like Randy Travis, Tom's good.. And it was worth driving 130 miles to see his show in Mansfield.It was his show, Stevie was the guest, I have to remember that.I feel the same way as some if not all of you, when Don Henley toured with Stevie last year, less Don songs, more Stevie songs,the same with Don, I like Don's solo tunes and his Eagles tunes too.btw I wonder how much royalties Stevie and Tom lost. because of Peer to Peer, Bittorrent sites, Hum.It probably could finance her next tour.hum..

Miss Vicky

08-16-2006, 10:31 PM

To many (not me mind you) - selling out you art to a commercial is the same as slapping your name on a bottle of wine - in fact, it could be considered worse as the wine had nothing to do with the music while the commercial did. In other words, Mick was not selling out his art, LB was.

Are both situations selling out? Absolutely. But my original point was that Tom Petty doesn't see his FANS as nothing but dollar signs, and for the most part, I believe the same of LB. Like I said before, when an artist allows his or her song to be used for advertising, it's not the fans that the money is coming from - at least not directly. It comes from the corporation that pays for the ad. It just doesn't seem like the same level to me, but that's just my opinion.

pattymarkle

08-17-2006, 06:03 AM

I've been thinking about this for a few days. Tom Petty popped my concert cherry back in 1975 and he truly was was first love in close running with Jackson Browne. I adore the guy. Oh and believe me, he wouldn't even need to get to the "Breakdown" point in the song for me to give it all up to him. I want him bad. More than Lindsey. More than Don. Sorry - it's late and I'm in a mood.

I see this as history in the making. I love the whole idea of these fantastic artists making appearances at concerts. It adds a little flavor, history, unspoken passion, and a trip back in time for those of us who have been around a while.

The Petty fans I met in Dallas made the show. The interactions with them were absolutely some of the best I've ever experienced. Peace Love and Pot for everyone.

Let the bitchers bitch and the blissers enjoy their bliss. Personally, I'm still blissful after my evening with Tom and Stevie.:]

Patty