tell me if this is white trash

[michelle2677]

o.k. So I think everyone here pretty much knows I am from Kentucky (and if you didn't, now you do :D ) so this may not come as such a huge surprise to everyone. I went to a wedding reception last night. About half way through, the DJ played Gretchen Wilson's "Redneck Woman". It started off fine, but about 1/3 of the way through the first verse, a little four year old girl got on the stage and started singing into the microphone- With her mother right beside her. For those of of you that don't know the song, here are the lyrics:

Well, I ain't never been the Barbie doll type
No, I can't swig that sweet Champagne, I'd rather drink beer all night
In a tavern or in a honky tonk or on a four-wheel drive tailgate
I've got posters on my wall of Skynyrd, Kid and Strait
Some people look down on me, but I don't give a rip
I'll stand barefooted in my own front yard with a baby on my hip
'Cause I'm a redneck woman
I ain't no high class broad
I'm just a product of my raising
I say, 'hey ya'll' and 'yee-haw'
And I keep my Christmas lights on
On my front porch all year long
And I know all the words to every Charlie Daniels song
So here's to all my sisters out there keeping it country
Let me get a big 'hell yeah' from the redneck girls like me, hell yeah
Victoria's Secret, well their stuff's real nice
But I can buy the same damn thing on a Wal-Mart shelf half price
And still look sexy, just as sexy as those models on TV
I don't need no designer tag to make my man want me
Well, you might think I'm trashy, a little too hardcore
But in my neck of the woods I'm just the girl next door
I'm a redneck woman
I ain't no high class broad
I'm just a product of my raising
I say, 'hey y'all' and 'yee-haw'
And I keep my Christmas lights on
On my front porch all year long
And I know all the words to every Tanya Tucker song
So here's to all my sisters out there keeping it country
Let me get a big 'hell yeah' from the redneck girls like me, hell yeah
I'm a redneck woman
I ain't no high class broad
I'm just a product of my raising
I say, 'hey y'all' and 'yee-haw'
And I keep my Christmas lights on
On my front porch all year long
And I know all the words to every ol' Bocephus song
So here's to all my sisters out there keeping it country
Let me get a big 'hell yeah' from the redneck girls like me, hell yeah
Hell yeah, hell yeah
Hell yeah
I said hell yeah!


O.k. Now I know just the song itself is white trash :laugh: , but I kinda like it. The first time the little girl exclaimed "Hell yeah", it was kinda funny and cute. Many people were looking around thinking and asking people they came with.."did she say 'hell'??" yep..she sure did. But like I said. First time it was cute. Then we moved on to the second verse re: victoria's secret and sexy and blah blah. Am I just overreacting here?? We were all completely stunned and it became a little uncofortable. But hey. To each his own.:shrug: HELL YEAH!! :laugh:

[HomerMcvie]

Yes, that's pretty white-trashy. :sorry:

[michelle2677]

Yes, that's pretty white-trashy. :sorry:

Ha Ha..how did I know YOU were going to respond?? :p on a high note, her mother DID have all of her teeth. If that helps. :wavey:

anyway-no, I agree! It totally is. I just felt so bad with my jaw dropped to the floor because I was afraid she was gonna be the bride's neice or something. So I tried to keep my comments to myself, but as soon as we were out of that place I couldnt' stop laughing!!!

[DrummerDeanna]

White, Black or Hispanic - it's always trashy when people teach their kids and encourage them to do innapropriate things like that.

[amber]

I don't think it's bad. kids always learn songs, and mimic - she was just singing the lyrics. And that song had been everywhere.
It would be bad if she used cuss words in another context (which almost all kids do at sometime, anyway) and her mother didn't explain there were places where it isn't appropriate to use those words. But that wasn't the case here. I think it's cute she was singing. I mean, it's just "hell", which isn't even a bad word. It isn't any worse than when I was three I was singing "lousy lovers, pick their pray but they etc."? Also, last time I checked, "victoria's secret" wasn't a bad word. :laugh:
I think you'd have to be pretty uptight to take offense at that, especially taking into account the nature of children. :shrug:
Also, I like that song. I actually think it has somewhat of a good message. And people are supposed to have fun at a wedding, and sing and stuff.

[jannieC]

I have a friend who when her little girl was that age (about 3 or 4) taught her to sing "Are you strong enough to be my man" (that song was really popular at the time). It was the cutest damn thing ever.

[GiniLeaE]

<center>White, Black or Hispanic - it's always trashy when people teach their kids and encourage them to do innapropriate things like that.</center>

<center> I couldn't agree more, and I have seen my share of kids in this place (and believe me...I don't even like going there unless my friends persuade me!) until it turns my stomache! Dads sure are proud when Junior notices the female anatomy... </center>

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<center> I am a true Southern gal...born and bred...but, I have my limits! When it comes to kids being exposed to this behavior it sickens me... </center>

[sara1998]

I don't think it's bad. kids always learn songs, and mimic - she was just singing the lyrics. And that song had been everywhere.
It would be bad if she used cuss words in another context (which almost all kids do at sometime, anyway) and her mother didn't explain there were places where it isn't appropriate to use those words. But that wasn't the case here. I think it's cute she was singing. I mean, it's just "hell", which isn't even a bad word. It isn't any worse than when I was three I was singing "lousy lovers, pick their pray but they etc."? Also, last time I checked, "victoria's secret" wasn't a bad word. :laugh:
I think you'd have to be pretty uptight to take offense at that, especially taking into account the nature of children. :shrug:
Also, I like that song. I actually think it has somewhat of a good message. And people are supposed to have fun at a wedding, and sing and stuff.
I agree. I mean, if saying hell is the worst thing the kid does, mom's got it pretty good. I dunno. I was raised by pretty liberal parents, and I was allowed to express myself. Not at 4, but like AMber said, she's mimicing a song.

On a side note, I say ya'll, and am always bare foot in the yard... am I too, a Redneck Woman?

On a second side note, this song is my mom's ringtone! :lol:

[xxxmx]

i think the 'redneck revolution' is just plain sad. people can lead happy and productive lives no matter what station they're in and to try and make light of living at the lower end of the economic scale or in a rural locale by rallying around the term 'redneck' just makes me roll my eyes.

i think that song is tragic. and i'd call gretchen wilson a talentless sell-out long before i'd call her a redneck anything.

as far as the child singing that song... nothing surprises me any more.

JMHO.

[sara1998]

i think the 'redneck revolution' is just plain sad. people can lead happy and productive lives no matter what station they're in and to try and make light of living at the lower end of the economic scale or in a rural locale by rallying around the term 'redneck' just makes me roll my eyes.

i think that song is tragic. and i'd call gretchen wilson a talentless sell-out long before i'd call her a redneck anything.

as far as the child singing that song... nothing surprises me any more.

JMHO.
What makes me roll my eyes even more, though, are those who must have $1000 Prada bags, and won't take any less then flashey "look at the money I have" clothing, cars, etc. I could relate to the down to earth rednecks better then I could the head in the clouds rich types. What's so sad about it?

[HomerMcvie]

Ha Ha..how did I know YOU were going to respond?? :p on a high note, her mother DID have all of her teeth. If that helps. :wavey:

Because you and I are hiding, among the inbred, toothless, KKK hood wearing folks!

I suppose there's nothing wrong with it, IF those are your values. If I had kids, especially young(under 10 or 12), I most definitely wouldn't want them to be running around singing songs about "doing it", and getting drunk. I believe that's laying the path for their future. JUST MY OPINION!

[xxxmx]

What makes me roll my eyes even more, though, are those who must have $1000 Prada bags, and won't take any less then flashey "look at the money I have" clothing, cars, etc. I could relate to the down to earth rednecks better then I could the head in the clouds rich types. What's so sad about it?

ITA that people who flaunt their wealth, or try to portray themselves as wealthier than they are, induce eye rolling.

if one could define a redneck without using the words barefoot, beer, or trailer, i might not be as opposed to the term. i've just never heard a definition that didn't sound mocking.

[amber]

There are millions of worse songs that kid could be singing/hearing. But to stop a child from singing would be the worst thing of all. I think the child eating some of the wedding cake is more dangerous than her singing that song. You have to teach your child the proper way of life, not censor every single thing they could hear or see. Some things, yes, that song? plz. Incredibly harmless. The real thing, is not letting media totally raise your child. I heard all kinds of stupid songs when I was little, all it taught me was how to sing, or carry a tune, or rhythm, or whatever. For instance, another on the radio from when i was 3 had the phrase "I climbed up, on barstool mountain" - it really didn't inform me other than musically, as I was taught the ways in which drinking was not glamorous, and was harmful. What about Stevie singing "It's Late" with her grandpa? That song has innuendo.
Ridiculo.
And I agree with Maria that glorifying conspicuous consumption is far worse.

[carrie721]

I don't think it's white trash ... I sang and listened to so many songs that I now realize were "risque," but I literally had NO idea what they were about. I knew all the words to these songs, but I didn't know what they meant, and I don't think it's made me a trashy person or a less useful adult. :shrug:

[foxyluva]

It must be an American thing - I have never heard that song before......

[Serrart]

O.k. Now I know just the song itself is white trash :laugh: , but I kinda like it. The first time the little girl exclaimed "Hell yeah", it was kinda funny and cute. Many people were looking around thinking and asking people they came with.."did she say 'hell'??" yep..she sure did. But like I said. First time it was cute. Then we moved on to the second verse re: victoria's secret and sexy and blah blah. Am I just overreacting here?? We were all completely stunned and it became a little uncofortable. But hey. To each his own.:shrug: HELL YEAH!! :laugh:

I'd say it's an ironic song. Paris Hilton singing that's white trash.

Romy

[GiniLeaE]

<center>if one could define a redneck without using the words barefoot, beer, or trailer, i might not be as opposed to the term. i've just never heard a definition that didn't sound mocking.</center>

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When you look the term up in the dictionary or online, it is defined as: a poor white person in the southern United States or in modern usage, redneck predominantly refers to a particular stereotype of whites from the Southern United States. The word can be used either as a pejorative or as a matter of pride, depending on context.
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The term redneck originated from the farming community usage of the term farmer's tan, which of course is when your neck is red and your arms or whatever skin is exposed to the sun from the long, hard days of working in the sun. All the men in my family have this farmer's tan, but I don't consider them ALL rednecks as such...because they don't farm for a living and most of them don't have the idiosyncracies and characteristics of the term. I do find some things endearing about my true redneck cousins, but some of them are just plain gross and uncultured...and that is not just me being a snob.
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What country music (I love country music, and have met most of these musicians, so I'm not hating here!) has done to glamorize and capitalize on some of these behaviors and mannerisms that I grew up witnessing in my own backyard that probably should not be revered is really interesting to me. I know it is probably funny for some of ya'll (yes, I know my roots! I say such things!) to poke fun at the "backwoods backwards" ways...but it is a way of life for many. I still have a problem with kids thinking that it is cool...but hey, I think the RAP COMMUNITY is way more of a problem we must deal with - so this is small potatoes compared to this! </center>

[irishgrl]

two things:

1) She'll forget all about that song by the time she's 5 (and will have moved on to another current tune)

and

2) singing in public at 4 is how Stevie got her start. Gawd only knows what Grandpa had her singing in bars :shrug:


in conclusion, I dont think this little girl singing that song at a wedding will damage her psyche, granted it wasnt the most TASTEFUL of songs but at least it wasnt RAP.

[xxxmx]

The word can be used either as a pejorative or as a matter of pride, depending on context...
is this the same as black people using n----r? if you use it to describe yourself within a community, it's not offensive? maybe i am too PC for my own good.

What country music... has done to glamorize and capitalize on some of these behaviors and mannerisms that I grew up witnessing in my own backyard that probably should not be revered is really interesting to me.
not everything should be glamorized :shrug:

I know it is probably funny for some of ya'll... to poke fun at the "backwoods backwards" ways...but it is a way of life for many. I still have a problem with kids thinking that it is cool...but hey, I think the RAP COMMUNITY is way more of a problem we must deal with - so this is small potatoes compared to this!
ITA.

i'm not going after anyone, i just really hate that song. maybe i read too much into it. as for the kid singing the song, eh. i'd rather my child learn other things. i knew every word to 'why don't we get drunk and screw' by the time i was seven or eight and i turned out all right. ;)

[skcin]

Eh. I think it's cute & funny. But I know what you guys are saying too. A few weeks ago we went to my niece's (4 hour long :rolleyes: ) dance recital. Ages 2 through senior citizens, all colors & sizes, several different styles (jazz, tap, ballet, hip hop, free form, etc.)

The hip hop group, ages 8 through 10 maybe, was incredible. One little girl especially. At one point, she did that butt shaking dance. I don't know how else to describe it - like when you jiggle your butt really fast? And another move where you're moving the butt up & down? Not grinding, not humping, not freaking, nothing that bad.

It wasn't vulgar, but part of me thought "whoa, should that little girl be moving like that?" Then I thought "well, if her teachers & mom feel that it's OK, who am I to judge? She's having a great time & she's damn good too."

[cliffdweller]

I still have a problem with kids thinking that it is cool...but hey, I think the RAP COMMUNITY is way more of a problem we must deal with - so this is small potatoes compared to this!

What do you mean by "rap community?" The artists? the fans? and what kind of rap are you referring to? (it's not all gangsta rap)

I think ignorant, drunken rednecks are as much of a "problem" as any other stereotypically "hell-raising" group in society :shrug:.

[DrummerDeanna]

What do you mean by "rap community?" The artists? the fans? and what kind of rap are you referring to? (it's not all gangsta rap)

I think ignorant, drunken rednecks are as much of a "problem" as any other stereotypically "hell-raising" group in society :shrug:.


Right. I think a kid singing along to Getting Jiggy Wit It is not a big deal whereas a kid singing along to "shoot up ma ho's" is not so good. There are some in the "rap community" who are working against the negative stereotypes and don't put loads of garbage into their music.

[michelle2677]

Because you and I are hiding, among the inbred, toothless, KKK hood wearing folks!




who's hiding??:shrug:



j/k

[michelle2677]

I don't think it's bad. kids always learn songs, and mimic - she was just singing the lyrics. And that song had been everywhere.
It would be bad if she used cuss words in another context (which almost all kids do at sometime, anyway) and her mother didn't explain there were places where it isn't appropriate to use those words. But that wasn't the case here. I think it's cute she was singing. I mean, it's just "hell", which isn't even a bad word. It isn't any worse than when I was three I was singing "lousy lovers, pick their pray but they etc."? Also, last time I checked, "victoria's secret" wasn't a bad word. :laugh:
I think you'd have to be pretty uptight to take offense at that, especially taking into account the nature of children. :shrug:
Also, I like that song. I actually think it has somewhat of a good message. And people are supposed to have fun at a wedding, and sing and stuff.


I guess I just figured had her mother explained to her where it was and was not appropriate to use "those words" then she wouldnt' have been on stage singing them at a wedding. I'm really not going to lose any sleep over it thinking this girl is going to be scarred for life, (or I am for that matter). I just think it was a tad distasteful. And I worked at Victoria's Secret for two years. Not much comes out of that store that is fit for 4 year olds. :laugh: well...I guess I'm biased though. I worked "lingerie". There is the "body" section. Maybe she meant the lotions and such ;). But like I said-I'm not really losing any sleep over it, and glad I brought it up 'cause it seems to be stimulating SOME conversation on this board!!! :nod:

and btw. I like the song too. Have it on my playlist and listen to it quite often. Although I'll never listen to it the same way again!!! :p

[amber]

I guess I just figured had her mother explained to her where it was and was not appropriate to use "those words" then she wouldnt' have been on stage singing them at a wedding. I'm really not going to lose any sleep over it thinking this girl is going to be scarred for life, (or I am for that matter). I just think it was a tad distasteful. And I worked at Victoria's Secret for two years. Not much comes out of that store that is fit for 4 year olds. :laugh: well...I guess I'm biased though. I worked "lingerie". There is the "body" section. Maybe she meant the lotions and such ;). But like I said-I'm not really losing any sleep over it, and glad I brought it up 'cause it seems to be stimulating SOME conversation on this board!!! :nod:

and btw. I like the song too. Have it on my playlist and listen to it quite often. Although I'll never listen to it the same way again!!! :p
But the kid won't know what victoria's secret, or any of that other stuff, really means.

[michelle2677]

^^This is true.

I just grew up totally different. I wasn't allowed to say cuss words around my parents regardless if I was quoting God himself :laugh: now I cuss all the time. I remember the first cuss word I said in front of my mom. I said the word "ass" (I was about 5) and I looked up at my mom like "oh...****...I'm in sooo much trouble" I just started crying hoping to get out of it. It worked, but I didnt' make that mistake again!!!:)

I also have a friend that loved that song "damn, i wish i was your lover" and she wasn't allowed to sing that part when it came on. I need to ask her...did she just say....".......... I wish I was your lover" or fill it in with "darn" or something similar:laugh: :laugh:

[DrummerDeanna]

^^This is true.

I just grew up totally different. I wasn't allowed to say cuss words around my parents regardless if I was quoting God himself :laugh: now I cuss all the time. I remember the first cuss word I said in front of my mom. I said the word "ass" (I was about 5) and I looked up at my mom like "oh...****...I'm in sooo much trouble" I just started crying hoping to get out of it. It worked, but I didnt' make that mistake again!!!:)

I also have a friend that loved that song "damn, i wish i was your lover" and she wasn't allowed to sing that part when it came on. I need to ask her...did she just say....".......... I wish I was your lover" or fill it in with "darn" or something similar:laugh: :laugh:


I LOVED LOVED that song when it came out - but being that I was 12 my mom forbade me to sing it and I couldn't buy the tape. At the time I was pissed, but now I understand - it's really not appropriate for 12 year olds to be singing about making love.

I think when boundaries for kids are let down bad things happen - walk into any classroom or place with lots of kids and you'll see that - kids are getting really scary.

[estranged4life]

imagine my surprise when I saw the title of this thread and thought it would be about that white trash wedding of Pamela "Blow Up skank Doll" Anderson & Robbie "Kid Hack" Ritchie...

Such disappointment, tsk, tsk, tsk...

[amber]

^^This is true.

I just grew up totally different. I wasn't allowed to say cuss words around my parents regardless if I was quoting God himself :laugh: now I cuss all the time. I remember the first cuss word I said in front of my mom. I said the word "ass" (I was about 5) and I looked up at my mom like "oh...****...I'm in sooo much trouble" I just started crying hoping to get out of it. It worked, but I didnt' make that mistake again!!!:)

I also have a friend that loved that song "damn, i wish i was your lover" and she wasn't allowed to sing that part when it came on. I need to ask her...did she just say....".......... I wish I was your lover" or fill it in with "darn" or something similar:laugh: :laugh:

:laugh:
I wasn't allowed to cuss, either, but I don't remember any songs in my day putting that to the test, lyric wise. I do remember some very risque songs being sung in the house, though. Well, maybe a couple.
The reason kids are scary is because their parents suck, and let the media raise their kids, and don't care enough to teach them the appropriate time and place for things. Not because the songs exist, but because the parents don't say anything about the songs, or manners, or anything else for that matter.

[michelle2677]

:laugh:
I wasn't allowed to cuss, either, but I don't remember any songs in my day putting that to the test, lyric wise.

:laugh: I'm sorry. I wasn't trying to insinuate that you did cuss around your parents. I just meant I wasn't allowed to even in a song :D

[sparky]

Oh, man. I think this is FULL ON white trash. But, that isn't a totally bad thing. It's just funny on so many levels. I kinda feel bad for the kid, but you know what ? I know a lot of cool white trash. Some of my best friends grew up white trash :lol:

It's a culture that is rife with funny stuff, has plenty of charm, and not in and of itself bad. Many of us do complete white trash things and get a kick out of it. Lots of people have no clue how white trash they really are. It's a fantastically ironic thing. I mean, let's be honest here...hanging out on a fan forum for a rock band is kind of white trash. Granted, the band isn't Molly Hatchet, but still....:D

[sara1998]

I mean, let's be honest here...hanging out on a fan forum for a rock band is kind of white trash. Granted, the band isn't Molly Hatchet, but still....:D
You have a damn fine point, my friend!!:lol:

[xxxmx]

I think when boundaries for kids are let down bad things happen - walk into any classroom or place with lots of kids and you'll see that - kids are getting really scary.

i taught eighth grade last year. those kids are 13, 14, 15, and some 16 :eek: and they're doing things that i didn't get around to until the end of high school, if ever. i'll be the first to get up on a soapbox and lay blame on pop culture. kids imitate what they are presented with. if it's positive, chances are they'll make positive decisions at least most of the time. if it's gretchen wilson bellowing about beer, well, maybe that's why my nose twitched while posting in this thread. i'm glad to get sixth grade this year.

[DrummerDeanna]

i taught eighth grade last year. those kids are 13, 14, 15, and some 16 :eek: and they're doing things that i didn't get around to until the end of high school, if ever. i'll be the first to get up on a soapbox and lay blame on pop culture. kids imitate what they are presented with. if it's positive, chances are they'll make positive decisions at least most of the time. if it's gretchen wilson bellowing about beer, well, maybe that's why my nose twitched while posting in this thread. i'm glad to get sixth grade this year.


Yikes - my sister teaches sixth grade - not sure they'll be much better. I was SHOCKED by some of the stories my sister told me.

And yes, a large chunk is on pop-culture. Namely - one of the stories was a couple of sixth grade (age 11) girls were making out with each other while the boys cheered them on and gave them money. Sad.

It's also a problem of parenting though - I mean my sister will have kids all year and never meet some of their parents - that's just sad to me.

[TwistedGypsy]

Songs like that give us Southerners a bad name.:mad: