Boy, this place is DEAD.

[HomerMcvie]

Boy, this place is DEAD. :distress: :distress: :distress: What am I supposed to do, when there's no activity here?....:o :o :o

[jannieC]

Boy, this place is DEAD. :distress: :distress: :distress: What am I supposed to do, when there's no activity here?....:o :o :o
I know- I wish I could think of a witty thread to start.

[HomerMcvie]

I know- I wish I could think of a witty thread to start.
This is the slowest I ever remember it being here.:shrug:

[jannieC]

I have a few interesting things going on in my life right now, but maybe they're only interesting to me? What about you?

[HomerMcvie]

Mine's mostly depressing, so I wasn't going to go there.....

Okay, since no one's here. My dog Cash has been going through cancer treatments(oral melanoma) for the past year and a half. Radiation, back in 2/05, then chemo for most of last summer, then a few months off. Last Nov, a new tumor began in his mouth. We travelled out of state for a mandibilectomy(sp) to be done. It had spread to one lymph node, which they also removed. Since then, we've done chemo once a month. He's done very well, especially considering his initial prognosis was most likely only 6-9 months. Well, here we are heading into month NINETEEN(I'm not bragging about that, because I certainly don't want to jinx it).

Well, Friday evening, I noticed a new growth, on the side of his lower neck. We go in tomorrow at 2pm, for god only knows what. X-rays, and probably a biopsy of it, which will have to be sent off to Purdue(IN's vet school). Then, 4-5 days of waiting for the biopsy results:confused: .
So, I'm really DOWN about this. Mainly for my baby, but also for the money. I'm approaching 13K spent on treatments and surgeries. If they tell us we have to go out of state again, I now feel like I just can't swing it anymore. This 13K has left me eating mostly baloney(or similar cheap stuff). I've quit going out. I'm BARELY squeaking by.
Sorry to be so depressing. It kills me to think of him having to go through more surgeries. He's my child.:o
Maybe we'll get lucky, and it might just be some gelatinous mass. I sure hope so.

[jannieC]

Mine's mostly depressing, so I wasn't going to go there.....

Okay, since no one's here. My dog Cash has been going through cancer treatments(oral melanoma) for the past year and a half. Radiation, back in 2/05, then chemo for most of last summer, then a few months off. Last Nov, a new tumor began in his mouth. We travelled out of state for a mandibilectomy(sp) to be done. It had spread to one lymph node, which they also removed. Since then, we've done chemo once a month. He's done very well, especially considering his initial prognosis was most likely only 6-9 months. Well, here we are heading into month NINETEEN(I'm not bragging about that, because I certainly don't want to jinx it).

Well, Friday evening, I noticed a new growth, on the side of his lower neck. We go in tomorrow at 2pm, for god only knows what. X-rays, and probably a biopsy of it, which will have to be sent off to Purdue(IN's vet school). Then, 4-5 days of waiting for the biopsy results:confused: .
So, I'm really DOWN about this. Mainly for my baby, but also for the money. I'm approaching 13K spent on treatments and surgeries. If they tell us we have to go out of state again, I now feel like I just can't swing it anymore. This 13K has left me eating mostly baloney(or similar cheap stuff). I've quit going out. I'm BARELY squeaking by.
Sorry to be so depressing. It kills me to think of him having to go through more surgeries. He's my child.:o
Maybe we'll get lucky, and it might just be some gelatinous mass. I sure hope so.
Oh I'm so sorry. Aren't animals more prone to not dangerous masses once they've been diagnosed and treated with cancerous masses? I don't know why I think that, but I feel like I've heard that somewhere. You know, I certainly don't think that vets should work for free, but damn. They (vets) seem so criminal to me. I've never had to go through that kind of long term suffering with a pet. I would never be able to afford it, so I'm grateful.

I was going to talk about my husband's open wound that I have to pack with gauze twice a day and the trauma I am going through because of THAT, but your story is way worse. My heart goes out to you. :xoxo: xoxoxoxoxo

[HomerMcvie]

Oh I'm so sorry. Aren't animals more prone to not dangerous masses once they've been diagnosed and treated with cancerous masses? I don't know why I think that, but I feel like I've heard that somewhere. You know, I certainly don't think that vets should work for free, but damn. They (vets) seem so criminal to me. I've never had to go through that kind of long term suffering with a pet. I would never be able to afford it, so I'm grateful.

I was going to talk about my husband's open wound that I have to pack with gauze twice a day and the trauma I am going through because of THAT, but your story is way worse. My heart goes out to you. :xoxo: xoxoxoxoxo
Of course I'm hoping that it's nothing serious, it's just that I can feel those odds coming at him. Let's hope I'm wrong!!! Most of the money didn't go to my local vet(although the chemo treatment are still about $275/month). The radiation treatments, and surgeries were done at the U of IL. CAT scans are $600 each, and one's not enough, if that gives you any idea of how quickly it can all add up. The mandiblectomy was about $3500, for which I got a medical credit card, which has no interest if paid over 12 months. I think I still have 5/12th to pay on that.:distress:
Wish him good thoughts tomorrow, please.


How did your hubby get injured?

[Miss Vicky]

Dave, I'm really sad to hear about your dog and I'm keeping my fingers crossed for you that this new mass is something benign. I'll keep you and him in my thoughts.

You know, I certainly don't think that vets should work for free, but damn. They (vets) seem so criminal to me.

In defense of veterinarians, the profit margin in veterinary medicine is slim at best. Overhead is outrageous. Granted, the mark-up on most medications and services are typically at least 100%, but with the cost of employee wages, insurance, equipment, utlities, etc. many small practices are often barely squeaking by.

[jannieC]

Wish him good thoughts tomorrow, please.
Of course I will. What kind of dog is he- (just so I can visualize)? :xoxo:


How did your hubby get injured?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilonidal_cyst SO, so gross- poor guy. And poor me.




In defense of veterinarians, the profit margin in veterinary medicine is slim at best. Overhead is outrageous. Granted, the mark-up on most medications and services are typically at least 100%, but with the cost of employee wages, insurance, equipment, utlities, etc. many small practices are often barely squeaking by.

My husband used to work for a vet, so he is totally cool with giving shots, etc (you can get all of them but rabies). I took my cat to the vet once and when I told him that I didn't need shots (b/c of husband), he (vet) got really angry with me and said that's how vets make money!

My cat had a messed up leg last year. She would not walk on it, so I called a vet to see if I could bring her in, and how much would it cost, etc. I called several vets actually, and it was $40-$100 just to walk in the door. One office told me after that it would probably be another $100 at least for x-rays, etc. I really had no money and asked the woman if there was any way that they could help me. She told me that if I couldn't afford a vet bill, I probably shouldn't have pets. :mad: I finally found a vet that would see her for an office vist of $25. His office was out in the country and looked like it hadn't been remodeled since the '70s. A guy with dredlocks came out to get my cat and as it turned out HE was the vet. He looked at her paw, pushed and pulled on it and determined that someone (or an animal) had stepped on her paw and that she was doing the right thing by protecting it. No x-ray. He asked me if she was up to date on her shots and I said yes. Charged me $25 for the whole thing. Not common. I have told everyone I know about this vet- I was so impressed. I've never ever walked out of a vet's office for under $100.

[HomerMcvie]

Dave, I'm really sad to hear about your dog and I'm keeping my fingers crossed for you that this new mass is something benign. I'll keep you and him in my thoughts.
Thanks. I appreciate that. I really shouldn't have dogs. Seriously, to me, they're better than people(no offense to you humans). And I generally get more attached to them.


In defense of veterinarians, the profit margin in veterinary medicine is slim at best. Overhead is outrageous. Granted, the mark-up on most medications and services are typically at least 100%, but with the cost of employee wages, insurance, equipment, utlities, etc. many small practices are often barely squeaking by.
And I understand that places like U of IL have HUGE expenses, with all the radiation equipment, etc.....
It's just that, MOST people can't afford to do treatment like this, so I really feel for the people who can't(I'm not saying I can, but I made it work-I HAD to! It was supposed to be my year to trade up on vehicles, so much for that!). And I don't mind giving up all I have for him to have the treatment. He's worth every dime. I only wish I could do more.

[HomerMcvie]

Of course I will. What kind of dog is he- (just so I can visualize)? :xoxo:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilonidal_cyst SO, so gross- poor guy. And poor me.

My husband used to work for a vet, so he is totally cool with giving shots, etc (you can get all of them but rabies). I took my cat to the vet once and when I told him that I didn't need shots (b/c of husband), he (vet) got really angry with me and said that's how vets make money!

My cat had a messed up leg last year. She would not walk on it, so I called a vet to see if I could bring her in, and how much would it cost, etc. I called several vets actually, and it was $40-$100 just to walk in the door. One office told me after that it would probably be another $100 at least for x-rays, etc. I really had no money and asked the woman if there was any way that they could help me. She told me that if I couldn't afford a vet bill, I probably shouldn't have pets. :mad: I finally found a vet that would see her for an office vist of $25. His office was out in the country and looked like it hadn't been remodeled since the '70s. A guy with dredlocks came out to get my cat and as it turned out HE was the vet. He looked at her paw, pushed and pulled on it and determined that someone (or an animal) had stepped on her paw and that she was doing the right thing by protecting it. No x-ray. He asked me if she was up to date on her shots and I said yes. Charged me $25 for the whole thing. Not common. I have told everyone I know about this vet- I was so impressed. I've never ever walked out of a vet's office for under $100.
Eww, I feel sorry for your hubby!
On the cheap vet though, sometimes you do get what you pay for. Where I grew up, there was an old vet there, who worked for CHEAP. People drove for a couple of hours to come to him, because he was that cheap!
Now, for vaccinations, spaying, etc... he was fine. And a very nice guy to boot! But, if you needed something highend, like Cash is going through, forget about it. He'll tell you there's nothing he can do for him. Like I said, he's a very kind man though. He's put several animals to sleep for us, and wouldn't even take any money for doing so.

[Miss Vicky]

Charged me $25 for the whole thing. Not common. I have told everyone I know about this vet- I was so impressed. I've never ever walked out of a vet's office for under $100.

$40-100 is pretty steep for an office visit, but was that a regular exam or an emergency fee?

The office where I work charges $26.50 for an exam (or $36.50 for exotics - birds, reptiles, ferrets, guinea pigs, rabbits) and x-rays start at about $80.00. However, you do have the option and the right to decline any diagnostics or treatments that you do not want or cannot afford. Our office is relatively new, immaculately clean and equipped with an in-house lab, x-ray machine, ultrasound, and the same type of surgical monitoring equipment used in human medicine.

Again, in defense of veterinarians, very few allow people to make payments because they've been screwed so many times. I'm in charge of billing at my office and you'd be amazed at how many thousands of dollars worth of unpaid accounts (many now in collections) that practice has amassed in only the 7 years it has existed. Our clinic sometimes makes exceptions to the no billing rule, but only in dire emergencies (life and death) or when it involves well-established clients with accounts in good standing. We simply can't afford to do otherwise.

As for the comment that you shouldn't have a pet if you cannot afford veterinary care for it, that was very rude of the person to say to you, but it really is the truth. I'm not expecting people to be able to afford thousands of dollars worth of chemotherapy and surgery like Homie has been doing for his dog, but I don't think it's really unfair to expect people to be able to pay for simple diagnostics like an xray.

[sara1998]

Sorry Cash is still going through hell, Homer. I'll pray for him tonight!

I just had to take Max (my cocker spaniel) to the vet last week. His right eye was suddenly cloudy, and he had lots of eye snot coming from it. So, I took him to the vet, and he ran a series of tests on it. Turns out, he has some sort of growth either in his eye or behind it, plus, the pressure in both eyes are higher then normal (start of glacuoma?) And then, he has a little infection he's trying to fight off. He received 2 shots, one a steroid, one an antibiotic, he was put on two different types of eye drops and for the week, and an antibiotic and steroid pills for the week. I was amazed that for all of that, the vet bill was only $135. I take him back Tuesday. Anyhow, just an office visit is around $35, so I was pretty impressed.

[jannieC]

$40-100 is pretty steep for an office visit, but was that a regular exam or an emergency fee?

I don't know the answer to that. ???

Again, in defense of veterinarians, very few allow people to make payments because they've been screwed so many times.
I definitely believe that. I guess it's just a scary moment when you have an animal in pain and don't have the extra $100-$200 lying around right that minute.
As for the comment that you shouldn't have a pet if you cannot afford veterinary care for it, that was very rude of the person to say to you, but it really is the truth. I'm not expecting people to be able to afford thousands of dollars worth of chemotherapy like Homie has been doing for his dog, but I don't think it's really unfair to expect people to be able to pay for simple diagnostics like an xray.
It *was* kind of rude, considering how panicked I was. I make sure all my animals are spayed/neutered and are up to date on all their shots. Again, I really feel that just because I didn't have the money right that minute, doesn't mean I'm an irresponsible pet owner (as SHE implied, not you). If something were to happen to my step-son, I know that I can take him to a doctor and be billed if necessary (if I didn't have insurance). Granted my kitty wasn't keeling over but still! Eh, I don't know, it seems like there should be a happy medium.

[HomerMcvie]

My vet NOW let's my pay when I like(what we do is, TRY to keep the chemo payments to one per billing cycle).
Things that do bother me about my vet? They won't sell me flea treatment for my 2 cats, without an examination(they were my Mom's- now deceased - and have never been to my vets office). And I think they said an initial exam was $80 each(that sounds high, I might be mistaken)!

My vet's office has 5 vets, and was just bought out by a CHAIN! Some company out of Louisville, that owns like 10 clinics. They fly in once a week, landing a helicopter in the field next door, and make sure things are going their way. I didn't realize vet clinics were becoming chains, too.

[carrie721]

My vet NOW let's my pay when I like(what we do is, TRY to keep the chemo payments to one per billing cycle).
Things that do bother me about my vet? They won't sell me flea treatment for my 2 cats, without an examination(they were my Mom's- now deceased - and have never been to my vets office). And I think they said an initial exam was $80 each(that sounds high, I might be mistaken)!

My vet's office has 5 vets, and was just bought out by a CHAIN! Some company out of Louisville, that owns like 10 clinics. They fly in once a week, landing a helicopter in the field next door, and make sure things are going their way. I didn't realize vet clinics were becoming chains, too.

Wow, I had no idea there were vet chains, either. Learn something new every day, I guess. Homie, I'm sorry to hear about your dog. I've never been through such a protracted ordeal with any of my animals, but my dog Sadie has undergone two serious medical "events," I guess, so I understand what you're going through. About 3-4 years ago Sadie was running down the hill in our back yard when she suddenly fell and started yelping, unable to walk. We took her to the vet and found out that she had torn the ligaments (or tendons, I can never keep them straight) in both her back legs!! She had to have them replaced, and the surgery was several thousand dollars. Then, about two years ago, I woke up one morning to find that one of her eyes was considerably swollen. We tried topical treatments, and when those didn't work, we had to have her eye removed - another several thousand dollars (the only way we were able to pay was by making payments, and the only way the veterinary office would let us make payments was by postdating x number of checks at y amount and giving them all the checks upfront). I can't remember what the diagnosis was after they ran tests on the eye, but I believe it was some kind of non-cancerous growth. Scary, heartwrenching stuff to see your baby go through that kind of ordeal. Dogs are so inspirational, to me - despite all she's been through (she went through hell before we adopted her, too - she was abandoned on a campsite and fended for herself for a year before being taken to the animal protective league), she is still the most cheerful and loving dog I've ever met (although I may be biased ... :) ) OK, sorry for going on and on. Sadie and I'll be thinking of you and Cash, Homie.

http://carrie721.smugmug.com/photos/70080368-M.jpg

[Miss Vicky]

Things that do bother me about my vet? They won't sell me flea treatment for my 2 cats, without an examination(they were my Mom's- now deceased - and have never been to my vets office). And I think they said an initial exam was $80 each(that sounds high, I might be mistaken)!

Okay, now that IS robbery, IMO. An examination for your two cats at my clinic? If you bring them in seperately - $26.50 each. If you bring them in together it's $47.25 for both (for up to three pets, excluding exotics) and as long as we're only talking topical flea treatments (like Frontline, for example) you don't need an exam at all. Those are OTC. Maybe it's just California law, but those products can be sold OTC by any facility that has a veterinarian on the premises. Hell, you can go to my local Petco and buy the name brand Advantage and Frontline because they get it through the veterinarian that does their low cost vaccine clinics on weekends. Same thing for my local feed and tack shop.

We have only one vet on staff, btw.

[HomerMcvie]

Okay, now that IS robbery, IMO. An examination for your two cats at my clinic? If you bring them in seperately - $26.50 each. If you bring them in together it's $47.25 for both (for up to three pets, excluding exotics) and as long as we're only talking topical flea treatments (like Frontline, for example) you don't need an exam at all. Those are OTC. Maybe it's just California law, but those products can be sold OTC by any facility that has a veterinarian on the premises. Hell, you can go to my local Petco and buy the name brand Advantage and Frontline because they get it through the veterinarian that does their low cost vaccine clinics on weekends. Same thing for my local feed and tack shop.

We have only one vet on staff, btw.
Well, something has changed here - drug classification - or whatever. A pet store(at least the one I go to) can now sell Advantage. This has just happened in the past year or two.

But yeah, before Cash was sick, I inquired about getting the cat's flea treatments.
"Only after a full examination". "Sorry".

I didn't know a f*cking flea needed a full examination!
(I've not asked again. Honestly, as well as we all know each other now, they "might" bend the rules for me).

[HomerMcvie]

Of course I will. What kind of dog is he- (just so I can visualize)? :xoxo:
Sorry, I forgot to post a pic earlier. He's a 29 lb mutt. Breed guesses are anyone's. I've heard Border Collie, Whippet, Rat Terrier, Jack Russell.....
I'm posting this pic(that I took today) so you can see how his smile is just slightly off kilter, due to the mandiblectomy(damn, I have a hard time with that word!). He's the sweetest, gentlest dog that ever lived. Complete PEOPLE dog. He's okay with dogs(big dogs scare him a little). He likes cats better, though. But people? My god, I never have to worry about him running away. He's my (or any person's) shadow. He wants to be with someONE all the time.



Man, I had to crop/minimize the hell out of this. I hope it looks okay.

[HomerMcvie]

Not to inundate ya'all. But here's Cash doing one of his favorite things now- trying to catch a fly inside the lampshade. See where he's at? He likes to sit on TOP of the couch, with his feet on the armrest. Freak!(like father, like son):rolleyes:

[jannieC]

Not to inundate ya'all. But here's Cash doing one of his favorite things now- trying to catch a fly inside the lampshade. See where he's at? He likes to sit on TOP of the couch, with his feet on the armrest. Freak!(like father, like son):rolleyes:
Oh God I love him! Thinking about you both today. xoxoxo

[SuzeQuze]

I hope things go well with Cash today. :angel:

[Sugar]

Well, something has changed here - drug classification - or whatever. A pet store(at least the one I go to) can now sell Advantage. This has just happened in the past year or two.



Then there's 1 800 PETMEDS...that's where we get flea treatment for our cats. I've never had a problem with them, it comes fast, and they throw in a complimentary bag of catnip! Pretty sure you get a chew bone or something for dogs...

Hope things go well with Cash...

[HomerMcvie]

Well, she couldn't really tell what the mass is. She said it seemed too low down to be a lymph node(which, I suppose, is good). So, she took samples of the mass, but said they don't really look like normal cells under the microscope (which I suppose is bad), so now we wait 3-5 days for the results to come back from the lab..........................


Not knowing is terrible.

[SuzeQuze]

Well, she couldn't really tell what the mass is. She said it seemed too low down to be a lymph node(which, I suppose, is good). So, she took samples of the mass, but said they don't really look like normal cells under the microscope (which I suppose is bad), so now we wait 3-5 days for the results to come back from the lab..........................


Not knowing is terrible.

Crap, I'm sorry. :distress: Hopefully if it is malignant it can just be removed without alot of expensive treatments. Thinking good thoughts for you two. :angel:

[macfan 57]

Well, she couldn't really tell what the mass is. She said it seemed too low down to be a lymph node(which, I suppose, is good). So, she took samples of the mass, but said they don't really look like normal cells under the microscope (which I suppose is bad), so now we wait 3-5 days for the results to come back from the lab..........................


Not knowing is terrible.

David, I'm very sorry to hear this. I'm pulling for you & Cash.:angel:

[HomerMcvie]

David, I'm very sorry to hear this. I'm pulling for you & Cash.:angel:
Thanks guys, I appreciate it very much.

[DrummerDeanna]

Thanks guys, I appreciate it very much.


I'm also keeping you and Cash in my thoughts...he looks like SUCH a sweetie!!! I love the smiling picture...how can you not love that face?? I hope things work out ok...

[HomerMcvie]

I'm also keeping you and Cash in my thoughts...he looks like SUCH a sweetie!!! I love the smiling picture...how can you not love that face?? I hope things work out ok...
Thanks Deanna, he IS a sweetie. Doesn't have a mean bone in his body, towards anything. Even my cats love him. I've been in this house for almost seven years, he's not had one accident.
This whole thing is just SO unfair.
I'll quit going on about him now...thanks for listening, guys.

[jannieC]

I'm thinking of you both, too and hoping these next few days don't drag on for you. xoxoxoxo

[DavidMn]

I just mailed a letter.:lol:

[michelle2677]

Homer-I'm sorry to hear that Cash is not doing so well again. It breaks my heart because I am such a dog lover :(

I'll pray for him and keep my fingers crossed that everything comes out ok


also-for you and any other dog lovers. Have you read the book "marley and me" ??

OH. MY. GOD. if you havent read it, I wouldnt suggest necessarily reading it right now with everything going on, because it does have some sad parts. But oh, how I love that book. I laughed my ass off through the entire thing. When Cash gets better, I would definately suggest picking it up and reading it. You'll love your little canine furry friend even more (and I thought it was hard to do!!!)

[sara1998]

I just got back from the vet with Max, and he has glacuoma, and is blind in his right eye. That really breaks my heart. So, they have him on eyedrops indefinately. Poor little fella.

[macfan 57]

I just got back from the vet with Max, and he has glacuoma, and is blind in his right eye. That really breaks my heart. So, they have him on eyedrops indefinately. Poor little fella.

That's a shame. Is his left eye still OK?

[sara1998]

That's a shame. Is his left eye still OK?
It is for now. We'll see what happens with the glacuoma ( I don't even know if I'm spelling it right-ha!) But he told me it was a possibility he could go blind in that eye too. :distress:

[reebokandlace]

Homie-- sorry to hear about Cash- I will keep him in my prayers.

Sara-- sorry to hear about your dog going blind. My yorkie went blind due to old age (very common in old yorkies)-- and surprisingly she did very well around the house --I even moved into a new place-- I was a little worried about how she would adjust, but after a day or two of "following the walls" she had the floor plan down. Once in a great while she would walk into the wall (which I think was more senile than blind) .... I guess my point is blind dogs do just fine ... you just have to learn to be there "seeing eye person" when they are on leash.

I will keep you both in my prayers.

[eclipse]

Homer- I want you to know that you and Cash have been in my thoughts since I read your post.
I have been trying-with absoutely NO LUCK- to post a picture of my dog-

Diego,
So you can see that we both are sending you best wishes and good thoughts for Cash. When I came on today I read about Sara...I hate when doggies are sick- You just feel so badly...:distress:

Anyway just wanted you to know we are thinking of you...
Well I am, can't speak for the black lab...cuz, you know, he is a little goofy, being a black lab and all :shrug:

[skcin]

Sorry to hear this Homie. Hopefully the biopsy will show nothing. You're in my thoughts. :xoxo:

[HomerMcvie]

Thanks guys. No word yet. It's pretty much all I can think about.
It's so unfair that he has to go through all this crap for the past year and a half.
Thanks for the good thoughts.

[HomerMcvie]

It is for now. We'll see what happens with the glacuoma ( I don't even know if I'm spelling it right-ha!) But he told me it was a possibility he could go blind in that eye too. :distress:
Sorry to hear this. My friends that run a rescue farm have a blind dachshound, that they've kept for quite some time. It gets around just fine.

[DrummerDeanna]

Wow - the waiting on the word about Cash must be agonizing!

I've been very lucky - Clancy was 9 when I got her - so that would make her 10ish now - but she's still in good health.

Although yesterday she was attacked by another dog at our apartment complex :mad: It was completely unprovoked - Clancy was sniffing a flower and I was standing next to her when all of a sudden this brown mutt comes from behind and just starts trying to rip my dog apart!!

The owner came running and I was trying to pull the dog away from Clancy - the dog stopped then lunged again - this time biting biting biting - Clancy started to wail and looked at me as if to say, "Help me, mama!" I was SO freaked out....I finally pried that jerk dog away from mine - tossed it over to its owner and started to check Clancy for wounds.

No broken skin (thank goodness) but my moo was totally freaked out (as was I). Because the attack was unprovoked I went ahead and reported it - what if a kid had been sniffing the flower instead of Clancy?

Anyway - some people just shouldn't have pets :mad:

[HomerMcvie]

Well ****. The word just came, and it's as I feared.:( :( :( She used a bunch of big words that I hadn't heard before(neoplasia?, among others), but the cells are related to the melanoma. It's time to decide what to do:
Remove the tumor, and hope that that slows the progression;
Take X-rays, and compare with the last ones, to see if they can see how far it's progressed, then decide a course of action;
Or, just continue chemo, and hope for the best amount of time left.

Obviously, I'm going for the X-rays(they can get him in, in 17 minutes-it's only 5 minutes away).
What do you guys think about removing the tumor? Is it an old wives tale, that opening up something like that, makes it spread faster? But, of course, he's been opened up before. The mandiblectomy; the initial tumor in his mouth; and he had a reactionary(to the chemo) tumor on the side of his head removed in Feb(I forgot to list that one earlier).
Damn, this sucks.

[DrummerDeanna]

Well ****. The word just came, and it's as I feared.:( :( :( She used a bunch of big words that I hadn't heard before(neoplasia?, among others), but the cells are related to the melanoma. It's time to decide what to do:
Remove the tumor, and hope that that slows the progression;
Take X-rays, and compare with the last ones, to see if they can see how far it's progressed, then decide a course of action;
Or, just continue chemo, and hope for the best amount of time left.

Obviously, I'm going for the X-rays(they can get him in, in 17 minutes-it's only 5 minutes away).
What do you guys think about removing the tumor? Is it an old wives tale, that opening up something like that, makes it spread faster? But, of course, he's been opened up before. The mandiblectomy; the initial tumor in his mouth; and he had a reactionary(to the chemo) tumor on the side of his head removed in Feb(I forgot to list that one earlier).
Damn, this sucks.

:distress: Oh man...I'm so sorry. It sounds like now you have to make some hard (and expensive decisions). I don't know about all this stuff - but I'd opt for the option that will make Cash most comfortable - the one that will cause him the least amount of pain and discomfort.

I've never heard that opening up something to remove a tumor makes it spread faster...but that doesn't sound right :shrug:

[sara1998]

Dammit. I'm sorry Homer. :distress: I don't have any kind of advice... just do what you think is right. I'm still prayin' for ya both.

[michelle2677]

Well ****. The word just came, and it's as I feared.:( :( :( She used a bunch of big words that I hadn't heard before(neoplasia?, among others), but the cells are related to the melanoma. It's time to decide what to do:
Remove the tumor, and hope that that slows the progression;
Take X-rays, and compare with the last ones, to see if they can see how far it's progressed, then decide a course of action;
Or, just continue chemo, and hope for the best amount of time left.

Obviously, I'm going for the X-rays(they can get him in, in 17 minutes-it's only 5 minutes away).
What do you guys think about removing the tumor? Is it an old wives tale, that opening up something like that, makes it spread faster? But, of course, he's been opened up before. The mandiblectomy; the initial tumor in his mouth; and he had a reactionary(to the chemo) tumor on the side of his head removed in Feb(I forgot to list that one earlier).
Damn, this sucks.

yes..it is true, but I think it depends on what kind of cancer it it. And I don't know if it is the same with doggies vs. humans. I think once it is in the lymph nodes that is when it can spread like wildfire once oxygen hits it. But do canines have lymph nodes?? I don't know. I would definately ask your vet what would they do if it were their pet. Obviously you trust the dr. or you wouldn't put Cash in their care. So what would they do if it were their loved one?? You may get some help that way. Good luck and I have a few Kentuckians down here praying for him :)


edit: it seems I was wrong. *SHOCKER!! * I don't know how reliable this site is, but it seemed to be the consensus when I looked online

http://www.drweil.com/u/QA/QA312527/

[HomerMcvie]

Just got back. We're done. It has spread to his lungs, so that's that. She said no more chemo, and that it wouldn't do any good to remove the tumor on his side. Just to wait now.:( She said it could be two weeks, or might be months.

I guess I knew all along that this was inevitable. Melanoma only has about a 10% survival rate. She said that he's done better, and lived longer, than any cancer patient that they've ever had, with the worst kind of cancer you can get. And that there are no "what ifs" for me, that we've done everything humanly possible. She said that I'll know when it's time to end it all, that he'll change, and not be Cash anymore(become withdrawn). Like I said earlier, his initial prognosis was 6-9 months, and we're beginning month 19 now. So, I guess I should feel lucky for the extra time we've had.

This is so ****ing unfair. We've been inseparable for eight and a half years.

[DrummerDeanna]

Just got back. We're done. It has spread to his lungs, so that's that. She said no more chemo, and that it wouldn't do any good to remove the tumor on his side. Just to wait now.:( She said it could be two weeks, or might be months.

I guess I knew all along that this was inevitable. Melanoma only has about a 10% survival rate. She said that he's done better, and lived longer, than any cancer patient that they've ever had, with the worst kind of cancer you can get. And that there are no "what ifs" for me, that we've done everything humanly possible. She said that I'll know when it's time to end it all, that he'll change, and not be Cash anymore(become withdrawn). Like I said earlier, his initial prognosis was 6-9 months, and we're beginning month 19 now. So, I guess I should feel lucky for the extra time we've had.

This is so ****ing unfair. We've been inseparable for eight and a half years.

:distress: That just makes me cry. I'm so so sorry - but you've had a great friend for 8 and a half years...and for now he's with you - so just cherish the time left and love that little guy like never before.

I'm really sorry you have to go through this :(

[sara1998]

Just got back. We're done. It has spread to his lungs, so that's that. She said no more chemo, and that it wouldn't do any good to remove the tumor on his side. Just to wait now.:( She said it could be two weeks, or might be months.

I guess I knew all along that this was inevitable. Melanoma only has about a 10% survival rate. She said that he's done better, and lived longer, than any cancer patient that they've ever had, with the worst kind of cancer you can get. And that there are no "what ifs" for me, that we've done everything humanly possible. She said that I'll know when it's time to end it all, that he'll change, and not be Cash anymore(become withdrawn). Like I said earlier, his initial prognosis was 6-9 months, and we're beginning month 19 now. So, I guess I should feel lucky for the extra time we've had.

This is so ****ing unfair. We've been inseparable for eight and a half years.
Aw, man....
I'm so sorry, Homer... I don't know what else to say..... :distress:

(((HUGS)))

[skcin]

I'm sorry Dave. :(

[SuzeQuze]

Just got back. We're done. It has spread to his lungs, so that's that. She said no more chemo, and that it wouldn't do any good to remove the tumor on his side. Just to wait now.:( She said it could be two weeks, or might be months.

I guess I knew all along that this was inevitable. Melanoma only has about a 10% survival rate. She said that he's done better, and lived longer, than any cancer patient that they've ever had, with the worst kind of cancer you can get. And that there are no "what ifs" for me, that we've done everything humanly possible. She said that I'll know when it's time to end it all, that he'll change, and not be Cash anymore(become withdrawn). Like I said earlier, his initial prognosis was 6-9 months, and we're beginning month 19 now. So, I guess I should feel lucky for the extra time we've had.

This is so ****ing unfair. We've been inseparable for eight and a half years.

It is, I'm so sorry. His survival for this long is a testament to your love and care. It's going to be very hard but you will be okay. Again I am so sorry. Cancer sucks.

[cliffdweller]

Just got back. We're done. It has spread to his lungs, so that's that. She said no more chemo, and that it wouldn't do any good to remove the tumor on his side. Just to wait now.:( She said it could be two weeks, or might be months.

I guess I knew all along that this was inevitable. Melanoma only has about a 10% survival rate. She said that he's done better, and lived longer, than any cancer patient that they've ever had, with the worst kind of cancer you can get. And that there are no "what ifs" for me, that we've done everything humanly possible. She said that I'll know when it's time to end it all, that he'll change, and not be Cash anymore(become withdrawn). Like I said earlier, his initial prognosis was 6-9 months, and we're beginning month 19 now. So, I guess I should feel lucky for the extra time we've had.

This is so ****ing unfair. We've been inseparable for eight and a half years.

This breaks my heart Homie. My thoughts are with you and Cash. Take care :xoxo:.

[amber]

:( :( :( :(

I'm sorry about your good boy.

[michelle2677]

I'm sorry Homer. I wish there were something I could do. It really is unfair. These little creatures are placed into our lives and make such a huge impact. They teach us how to love and how to treat others. I wish you all the best in the coming weeks and hope that Cash is as comfortable as he possibly can be. I am truly sorry. :distress: :distress: :distress:

[Sugar]

So, so sorry :distress:

[macfan 57]

David, I'm so sorry. I don't know what else to say. I'll be thinking of you & Cash. I just wish there was something more I could do or say. Take care.:angel:

[DavidMn]

David, I'm terribly soory. I hope he lives as long as possible.:angel:

[HomerMcvie]

Thank you, guys. My head is ready to explode, from crying all day.
I did call U of IL, and they're supposed to call me back, within this hour. It's so hard for me to give up. I want(need) to hear a second opinion, that they also feel, that further chemo will do no good.

***believe it or not, they just called. They said that there's possibly one more drug that might slow the progression in his lungs. Since most of the vets at U of IL are "residents", they want to confer with the Oncology Dept head tomorrow, then contact my vet.

I mean, it's certainly not a cure, but might buy him some more time. I know this sounds a little selfish, and I would agree, if he didn't still feel good, playing and the like(we just came in from playing ball).
I hope my vet's not upset that I kinda "went over her head" with a second opinion(if she is, she'll just have to get over it).
Thanks again for all the support.:xoxo:

[WelshWitchPMD]

Thank you, guys. My head is ready to explode, from crying all day.
I did call U of IL, and they're supposed to call me back, within this hour. It's so hard for me to give up. I want(need) to hear a second opinion, that they also feel, that further chemo will do no good.

***believe it or not, they just called. They said that there's possibly one more drug that might slow the progression in his lungs. Since most of the vets at U of IL are "residents", they want to confer with the Oncology Dept head tomorrow, then contact my vet.

I mean, it's certainly not a cure, but might buy him some more time. I know this sounds a little selfish, and I would agree, if he didn't still feel good, playing and the like(we just came in from playing ball).
I hope my vet's not upset that I kinda "went over her head" with a second opinion(if she is, she'll just have to get over it).
Thanks again for all the support.:xoxo:


I am so sorry to hear about Cash. Maybe this might be another chance for him at the U of IL. Either way I am sure that he knows that he is loved and cared for by you.

BTW, by friend's dog Bandit isn't doing very well at all but he is still hanging in there. She takes him to the vet 3 times a week and is not giving up on him either.

[jannieC]

Oh I'm so sorry- I don't even know what to say. I hope you get good news from the U of IL, and if that doesn't work out, I wish you lots of strength for these next few weeks/months. So so sorry. xoxoxoxo

[HomerMcvie]

I am so sorry to hear about Cash. Maybe this might be another chance for him at the U of IL. Either way I am sure that he knows that he is loved and cared for by you.

BTW, by friend's dog Bandit isn't doing very well at all but he is still hanging in there. She takes him to the vet 3 times a week and is not giving up on him either.
I know. You just get so attached to them. If someone had told me in the beginning that I'd end up spending 13K, I wouldn't have believed them. And even though I'm damned near broke now, I'd find a way to spend more, if it could help him.
Good luck to Bandit.

[HomerMcvie]

They said that there's possibly one more drug that might slow the progression in his lungs. Since most of the vets at U of IL are "residents", they want to confer with the Oncology Dept head tomorrow, then contact my vet.

I mean, it's certainly not a cure, but might buy him some more time. I know this sounds a little selfish, and I would agree, if he didn't still feel good, playing and the like(we just came in from playing ball).
I hope my vet's not upset that I kinda "went over her head" with a second opinion(if she is, she'll just have to get over it).
Thanks again for all the support.:xoxo:
So, U of IL called a couple of hours ago, and said they do think it's worth trying this one last drug, which hopefully will slow the cancer progression in his lungs. Does anyone think that it's selfish of me to try this?
FWIW, he still feels fine. He played ball several times this afternoon(he MAKES you play ball, you don't have to ask him). I know it can only prolong the inevitable, but if it bought him a couple more good months, wouldn't it be worth it? Also, this drug is just an injection. The one he was previously on was a 6-7 hour IV infusion, which of course, he hated. Any thoughts?

[DrummerDeanna]

So, U of IL called a couple of hours ago, and said they do think it's worth trying this one last drug, which hopefully will slow the cancer progression in his lungs. Does anyone think that it's selfish of me to try this?
FWIW, he still feels fine. He played ball several times this afternoon(he MAKES you play ball, you don't have to ask him). I know it can only prolong the inevitable, but if it bought him a couple more good months, wouldn't it be worth it? Also, this drug is just an injection. The one he was previously on was a 6-7 hour IV infusion, which of course, he hated. Any thoughts?


Well if he's still able to get around and is happy and playing and you can afford it - I say go for it!! It would be different if he were completely imobile and depressed - but as long as he's still happy-go-lucky Cash I say you do what you can if it brings you peace of mind.

I don't think you considering or doing this is selfish. Again, if the dog couldn't do for himself anymore - then perhaps - but it sounds like he's still up and around and ready to play!

[jannieC]

So, U of IL called a couple of hours ago, and said they do think it's worth trying this one last drug, which hopefully will slow the cancer progression in his lungs. Does anyone think that it's selfish of me to try this?
FWIW, he still feels fine. He played ball several times this afternoon(he MAKES you play ball, you don't have to ask him). I know it can only prolong the inevitable, but if it bought him a couple more good months, wouldn't it be worth it? Also, this drug is just an injection. The one he was previously on was a 6-7 hour IV infusion, which of course, he hated. Any thoughts?
Homer, I don't know what to say. If he isn't in pain and you need the extra time to prepare yourself for the inevitable, then maybe this is what you need to do. I guess if the cost is reasonable, then go for it. There will come a time when you have to make this horrible decision, and I wish you all the love and strength for it. :xoxo:

[HomerMcvie]

Well if he's still able to get around and is happy and playing and you can afford it - I say go for it!! It would be different if he were completely imobile and depressed - but as long as he's still happy-go-lucky Cash I say you do what you can if it brings you peace of mind.

I don't think you considering or doing this is selfish. Again, if the dog couldn't do for himself anymore - then perhaps - but it sounds like he's still up and around and ready to play!
Right. And he's his same old self. Through this year and a half of radiation, chemo, tumor(s) removal, and mandibilectomy(and this was bigtime-5 days in the hospital-he was so frail when he came home from this), he's remained UNCHANGED. He plays as much today, as he did two years ago. I've never seen a dog who likes to play as much as Cash. Playing is his life.
I mean, being melanoma, I knew, 19 months ago, that only 10% survive for normal life span. So really, all along, you're just trying to buy as much quality time as you can. So, I guess, in my attempt to become homeless, we'll try this drug too.

[michelle2677]

Homie-I'll have to go with everyone else and say if he seems to be feeling fine, then you have to try. He will let you know when enough is enough. (((Hugs))) to cash.

[jannieC]

Homer- just checking in to see if anything is new with Cash. Have you tried the new treatments and how does he seem to be feeling? :xoxo:

[HomerMcvie]

Homer- just checking in to see if anything is new with Cash. Have you tried the new treatments and how does he seem to be feeling? :xoxo:
Well, my local vet STILL didn't want to do anything, so I kept calling U of IL. My vet felt that his liver #'s weren't up to taking this drug(because THIS drug is metabolized???? solely by the liver, and his liver #'s are down-minimally!- from the other chemo drugs), BUT, she's not an Oncologist! And, the Oncologist at U of IL, is agreeing with me! So, today I connected both of them, FINALLY, and got the answer that I'm looking for. The drug was ordered today. I call tomorrow morning, to find out when the drug arrives, and he'll get his first dosage tomorrow. Dosages, and blood tests, will be weekly, unless the lung x-rays are looking like he's getting worse, then, we'll go back to doing nothing(meaning the drug isn't working).


I know I'm only hoping to buy some more time. But that's worth alot to me.

The things we do for love......

[sammigold]

Hi, I am new to the ledge and was reading about your dog and my heart goes out to you sooooo much!

About 4 years ago my canine best friend of 12 years was diagnosed with cancer of the spleen... I was told that their was nothing to do for her but palliative care, my vet then told me that I would probably still have her with me for the next few months as she wasnt in any pain at this time. I went home devastated but relieved to finally know what was wrong (she had been ill with a stomach infection for nearly two weeks,,, I took her to 3 different vets plus a dog physiotherapist, spent all my savings (about $1500) trying to find out what was wrong.... finally the third vet diagnosed correctly the stomach infection and we treated that... once the infection was gone then I found the lump and I knew it wasnt a good lump (she'd had fatty ones before)
I went home with enough cortisone tablets for the next 2 months and the instructions to come back if she seemed to get worse.
That night I went to work (I worked at a theatre restaurant at the time as a performer) crying my eyes out every time I thought about it. I stayed back a bit longer than normal and had a couple of drinks (drowning my sorrows, but not enough to get drunk)
When I got home, I asked my partner where Zoe was and he said that she was outside.. she hadnt wanted to come in.... I went to the toilet... and then outside to bring her in... I called her name and couldnt see her... then I looked down at my feet and my beautiful baby had died coming to the door to meet me...(I swear that her spirit was still there) I have never felt so much grief in my life (I am crying now remembering the moment) but now I can also remember her with a smile.

I just want to say that I can fully understand your wanting to prolong Cash's life as long as you can.... and I fully support your decision to do that! I am a firm believer that your loved one will tell you when they are no longer able to stay for you....

I truly believe that Zoe waited until the vet diagnosed her... it is like she could sense my helplessness when I didnt know what was wrong and sense my relief when I did... and when she sensed that relief she was able to say goodbye... I spent hours laying with her telling her that if she wanted to go at anytime not to feel bad, not to feel that she had to hold on for me.... when she did go it was devastating but I knew that she had waited as long as she could.

Good Luck for Cash and I know you are treasuring every moment.... I really feel for you and I hope I havent been totally inappropriate in telling you my story.... Its just that Unconditional love deserves to be remembered :angel:

[HomerMcvie]

Thanks for sharing your story. Zoe sounds like a a great dog. It's just so hard to let them go. As long as Cash still feels good, we'll keep trying everything that might buy him some more time(bankruptcy or not!).
Take care, fellow dog lover.:xoxo:

[David]

As long as Cash still feels good, we'll keep trying everything that might buy him some more time(bankruptcy or not!).
that would be my advice, too.

to me, euthanasia is for when the animal is in bad discomfort or pain & there's little or no hope for getting back a better quality of life.

[estranged4life]

to me, euthanasia is for when the animal is in bad discomfort or pain & there's little or no hope for getting back a better quality of life.

we had to put down a few cats because of illnesses that they would not recover from, and why it hard to say goodbye it was indeed for the best.

We currently have 1 cat, Gilligan, who had suffered a back injury that has caused him to lose use of his back legs, but he is very healthy. Soon he will be getting a cart to pull himself around the house in (He does very well now dragging himself-He is very mobile & a cart will make him more mobile, which equals more household items destroyed because before his injury he was one hyper-active cat...He plays around like a typical 2 year old cat, the orange long-haired tabby **** chewed up one of my purple cancer bracelets).

The vet says the choice is there for us to put him down, but since he is not showing any type of pain & he is functioning almost normally (He eats/urinates/etc. normally) that he said we should hold off on that option.

[skcin]

Glad things are looking up a bit Homer.

And Brian, you must share pics of your cat-in-a-cart when he gets it. :nod:

[BlackWidow]

Hi, I am new to the ledge and was reading about your dog and my heart goes out to you sooooo much!

About 4 years ago my canine best friend of 12 years was diagnosed with cancer of the spleen... I was told that their was nothing to do for her but palliative care, my vet then told me that I would probably still have her with me for the next few months as she wasnt in any pain at this time. I went home devastated but relieved to finally know what was wrong (she had been ill with a stomach infection for nearly two weeks,,, I took her to 3 different vets plus a dog physiotherapist, spent all my savings (about $1500) trying to find out what was wrong.... finally the third vet diagnosed correctly the stomach infection and we treated that... once the infection was gone then I found the lump and I knew it wasnt a good lump (she'd had fatty ones before)
I went home with enough cortisone tablets for the next 2 months and the instructions to come back if she seemed to get worse.
That night I went to work (I worked at a theatre restaurant at the time as a performer) crying my eyes out every time I thought about it. I stayed back a bit longer than normal and had a couple of drinks (drowning my sorrows, but not enough to get drunk)
When I got home, I asked my partner where Zoe was and he said that she was outside.. she hadnt wanted to come in.... I went to the toilet... and then outside to bring her in... I called her name and couldnt see her... then I looked down at my feet and my beautiful baby had died coming to the door to meet me...(I swear that her spirit was still there) I have never felt so much grief in my life (I am crying now remembering the moment) but now I can also remember her with a smile.

I just want to say that I can fully understand your wanting to prolong Cash's life as long as you can.... and I fully support your decision to do that! I am a firm believer that your loved one will tell you when they are no longer able to stay for you....

I truly believe that Zoe waited until the vet diagnosed her... it is like she could sense my helplessness when I didnt know what was wrong and sense my relief when I did... and when she sensed that relief she was able to say goodbye... I spent hours laying with her telling her that if she wanted to go at anytime not to feel bad, not to feel that she had to hold on for me.... when she did go it was devastating but I knew that she had waited as long as she could.

Good Luck for Cash and I know you are treasuring every moment.... I really feel for you and I hope I havent been totally inappropriate in telling you my story.... Its just that Unconditional love deserves to be remembered :angel:
Welcome to The Ledge....:nod:

[sammigold]

thanks Black Widow!

Homermcvie, I Hope Cash is doing OK!!!!!

[sara1998]

Where in the hell is everyone today??

[HomerMcvie]

Where in the hell is everyone today??

I know. It never fails. The days that I have no life(or even work), are the days that nobody comes here.

[UnwindedDreams]

Where in the hell is everyone today??Hello:wavey:

[skcin]

By "everyone" I assume you mean me. :p

I'm here, it's just been busy as hell at work. Summer break is over - friggin' new students & their parents moving them into their dorms, asking me stupid questions. I'm a nurse, how the f*ck do I know if you'll have cable in your room, or if your flat screen TV will fit in there? Grrrrr......

[estranged4life]

asking me stupid questions. I'm a nurse, how the f*ck do I know if you'll have cable in your room, or if your flat screen TV will fit in there? Grrrrr......

ya must be a nurse for a bunch of nim-rods, with their stupid questions and such.

[UnwindedDreams]

I'm a nurse, how the f*ck do I know if you'll have cable in your room, or if your flat screen TV will fit in there? Grrrrr......

:laugh: Tell them that...:laugh:

[DrummerDeanna]

By "everyone" I assume you mean me. :p

I'm here, it's just been busy as hell at work. Summer break is over - friggin' new students & their parents moving them into their dorms, asking me stupid questions. I'm a nurse, how the f*ck do I know if you'll have cable in your room, or if your flat screen TV will fit in there? Grrrrr......

Good God. Freshman Dorm rooms probably look like freakin' Best Buy displays nowadays. What happened to the broke college student? I just want to vomit when I see them all with their iPods and mega-expensive things...stupid spoiled kids :mad:

[SuzeQuze]

Good God. Freshman Dorm rooms probably look like freakin' Best Buy displays nowadays. What happened to the broke college student? I just want to vomit when I see them all with their iPods and mega-expensive things...stupid spoiled kids :mad:

Most of them probably charged them and can't afford them.

[UnwindedDreams]

Good God. Freshman Dorm rooms probably look like freakin' Best Buy displays nowadays. What happened to the broke college student? I just want to vomit when I see them all with their iPods and mega-expensive things...stupid spoiled kids :mad:

WOW:lol: But you're right...kids are MAD spoiled these days...

[skcin]

ya must be a nurse for a bunch of nim-rods, with their stupid questions and such.

Not all of them, but enough that I often say to myself "so, you got into college, huh?"

[DrummerDeanna]

Most of them probably charged them and can't afford them.

Oooh that's true....all those easy to get credit cards - they've gotten many a freshman (and older) in trouble :distress:

Still...stupid spoiled kids :mad:

Sorry - I'm in a mood today :laugh:

[UnwindedDreams]

Oooh that's true....all those easy to get credit cards - they've gotten many a freshman (and older) in trouble :distress:

Still...stupid spoiled kids :mad:

Sorry - I'm in a mood today :laugh::laugh: that's okay... take it out on the stupid spoiled kids...:laugh:

[HomerMcvie]

Good God. Freshman Dorm rooms probably look like freakin' Best Buy displays nowadays. What happened to the broke college student? I just want to vomit when I see them all with their iPods and mega-expensive things...stupid spoiled kids :mad:
YEP. There was a story on the Indianapolis news, about how my town(Bloomington) has become a mecca of Deluxe, luxery, apartments, FOR STUDENTS! Our downtown landscape has completely changed in the last 5-7 years. Big, deluxe apt buildings everywhere! I know $1500/month might be nothing in New York City.....but that's alot of money in Bloomington! I can't believe that there are THAT MANY parents, who are willing to shell out that kind of dough! Spoiled indeed.

(I was so poor, that I had to live in a "rooming house", where the others would steal your food out of the community fridge! Thank god that place burned down!:lol: ).

[SuzeQuze]

Oooh that's true....all those easy to get credit cards - they've gotten many a freshman (and older) in trouble :distress:

Still...stupid spoiled kids :mad:

Sorry - I'm in a mood today :laugh:

Those sons o b*tches! Oh I'm with you.

[DrummerDeanna]

YEP. There was a story on the Indianapolis news, about how my town(Bloomington) has become a mecca of Deluxe, luxery, apartments, FOR STUDENTS! Our downtown landscape has completely changed in the last 5-7 years. Big, deluxe apt buildings everywhere! I know $1500/month might be nothing in New York City.....but that's alot of money in Bloomington! I can't believe that there are THAT MANY parents, who are willing to shell out that kind of dough! Spoiled indeed.

(I was so poor, that I had to live in a "rooming house", where the others would steal your food out of the community fridge! Thank god that place burned down!:lol: ).


:eek: I can't even afford a $1,500 a month apartment...it really sickens me. I rented my apartment now because it was far away from the college and expensive - thinking I wouldn't have to deal with living near students...NOPE!

All sorts students are moving in - and I guess mommy and daddy are paying the bill. I am afraid I will soon be mourning the peace and quiet I so enjoy :distress:

Why is it spoiled=rude and disrespectul of neighbors.

[HomerMcvie]

Why is it spoiled=rude and disrespectul of neighbors.

Because Mommy and Daddy never instilled any proper values in them.

Me.Me.Me.

[estranged4life]

Good God. Freshman Dorm rooms probably look like freakin' Best Buy displays nowadays. What happened to the broke college student? I just want to vomit when I see them all with their iPods and mega-expensive things...stupid spoiled kids :mad:

college, I lived off campus...And I was lucky to have 1 package of Top Ramen. However, I lived in a hotel room for 1.5 years so I had cable/phone/swimming pool/A.C. so I cant complain (Rent was $225 a month, which was very reasonable-I had no roommates which was a bonus!!! Worked 40 hours a week, attended school 40 hours a week, such fun in those days!)

There was no iPods, laptops, etc back in 1988.

[HomerMcvie]

college, I lived off campus...And I was lucky to have 1 package of Top Ramen. However, I lived in a hotel room for 1.5 years so I had cable/phone/swimming pool/A.C. so I cant complain (Rent was $225 a month, which was very reasonable-I had no roommates which was a bonus!!! Worked 40 hours a week, attended school 40 hours a week, such fun in those days!)

There was no iPods, laptops, etc back in 1988.

^^^That's my story, except the owner didn't want to pay the insurance on the pool, so it had been bulldozed in.:( And my "hotel"(room) rent was $170/month. I worked at a convenience store, and sneaked the expired, throwaway sandwiches home, so I always had food. TOO many sandwiches!

[DrummerDeanna]

Right? People should have to WORK...it builds character.

I lived in dorms my freshman year, but had a job and paid for everything - my mom didn't pay for SQUAT. Nothing - it was all me - and all my friends worked - and we were all po'.

[sara1998]

Wow. There's been a conversation going on while I was actually busy. Too bad I can't participate in the conversation, because I've never been a starved, or a spoiled, college student!

[UnwindedDreams]

Right? People should have to WORK...it builds character.

I lived in dorms my freshman year, but had a job and paid for everything - my mom didn't pay for SQUAT. Nothing - it was all me - and all my friends worked - and we were all po'.

Times have changed and the parents are stupid enough to spoil them...it's the parents' fault...

[DrummerDeanna]

Times have changed and the parents are stupid enough to spoil them...it's the parents' fault...

Yeah - it is....and actually I've a couple of cousins who fall into the spoiled category. Designer clothes, amazing apartments, motorcycles etc....and one just went to Puerto Vallarta, another to Texas somewhere - all on daddy's dime.

Now did I mention that my uncle is stupid enough to be in MAJOR debt just to keep up his daughter's lifestyles - it's disgusting but they've got him so wrapped around their fingers.

[SuzeQuze]

Yeah - it is....and actually I've a couple of cousins who fall into the spoiled category. Designer clothes, amazing apartments, motorcycles etc....and one just went to Puerto Vallarta, another to Texas somewhere - all on daddy's dime.

Now did I mention that my uncle is stupid enough to be in MAJOR debt just to keep up his daughter's lifestyles - it's disgusting but they've got him so wrapped around their fingers.

Your uncle's an idiot. Sorry but that's ludicrous.

[strandinthewind]

Blah Blah Blah - I went to college and my dad paid for my tuition and I worked for him though I did not have to. I also took little jobs here and there for extra money. But, I knew many people who did not work and were great people and vice vera.

I truly believe people of all walks of life can be a$$holes and having money has nothing to do with it. For example, I think living in the bowels of Harlem would make for some bad neighbors :shrug:

[UnwindedDreams]

Your uncle's an idiot.

:shocked: :shocked: :shocked:

[SuzeQuze]

Blah Blah Blah - I went to college and my dad paid for my tuition and I worked for him though I did not have to. I also took little jobs here and there for extra money. But, I knew many people who did not work and were great people and vice vera.

I truly believe people of all walks of life can be a$$holes and having money has nothing to do with it. For example, I think living in the bowels of Harlem would make for some bad neighbors :shrug:

You're right, there isn't anything wrong with parents helping out their kids. I don't think we were generalizing about rich people, just the jerky ones.

[DrummerDeanna]

Your uncle's an idiot. Sorry but that's ludicrous.

:laugh: Indeed. My sister and I always make fun of him (behind his back) because of this. The I can't freakin' pay for my car but lets get my little girls some Diesel shoes thing is so stupid it hurts.

Blah Blah Blah - I went to college and my dad paid for my tuition and I worked for him though I did not have to. I also took little jobs here and there for extra money. But, I knew many people who did not work and were great people and vice vera.

I truly believe people of all walks of life can be a$$holes and having money has nothing to do with it. For example, I think living in the bowels of Harlem would make for some bad neighbors

I'm not saying that spoiled college brats are the only sourse of asshole neighbors.

Yes, plenty of ****ty neighbors can be found everywhere - and college and money has nothing to do with it. STILL there is a HUGE corelation between spoiled college kids and noise and bad behaviour. Of course - poor college kids can be just as bad. But if you can't afford the loud blowout your neighbor speakers, you're less likely to piss them off with loud thumpy music.

Now - also not everyone who gets their college paid for is an asshole - my ex boyfriend's parent paid his rent and school and actually would NOT let him work through college - but he's a wonderful person - of course he wasn't really spoiled with all sorts of worldly goods - but anyway...

whatever...I STILL don't like spoiled college kids.

[SuzeQuze]

:shocked: :shocked: :shocked:

Woops, let me elaborate. :lol: He's willing to risk bankruptcy to keep his daughters in clothing and travel that he can't even afford? That isn't very smart.

[strandinthewind]

Touche' Touche'

[DrummerDeanna]

Woops, let me elaborate. :lol: He's willing to risk bankruptcy to keep his daughters in clothing and travel that he can't even afford? That isn't very smart.

No, you had it right the first time :laugh:

And since his daughters have been spoiled their whole lives they don't care that he has to go into bankruptcy to support their lifestyle. So see? Spoiled and uncaring and selfish little girls....jerks.

Wow - you guys are getting a nice window into my family this week :laugh:

[UnwindedDreams]

Woops, let me elaborate. :lol: He's willing to risk bankruptcy to keep his daughters in clothing and travel that he can't even afford? That isn't very smart.

I know...poor Uncle Deanna:laugh:

[estranged4life]

^^^That's my story, except the owner didn't want to pay the insurance on the pool, so it had been bulldozed in.:( And my "hotel"(room) rent was $170/month. I worked at a convenience store, and sneaked the expired, throwaway sandwiches home, so I always had food. TOO many sandwiches!

a cook in a restaurant ("Lee's Famous Recipe Chicken"), The manager/owner was cool so I was able to take home daily, thus feeding other financially struggling students who also lived at the same hotel. Never had to worry about starving after that job.

I, did however, take advantage of the other students at the hotel we all called home...yes, I admit it, I took advantage of 'em all. Most of these students were from the Houston, TX and Oakland, CA areas, never having seen snow like what is normal for an Oklahoma winter. I took 'em out in the parking lot to introduce 'em to the ever fun 'snowball fight'...That was indeed like shooting fish in a barrel, cause they thought one can make a snowball by just picking up snow, not realizing that one needs to pack the snow into the shape of a ball. It was like infants versus Roger Clemens...

Man, I abso-tively owned their asses that day...Such fun, such fun, such fun!!!

[UnwindedDreams]

No, you had it right the first time :laugh:

And since his daughters have been spoiled their whole lives they don't care that he has to go into bankruptcy to support their lifestyle. So see? Spoiled and uncaring and selfish little girls....jerks.

Wow - you guys are getting a nice window into my family this week :laugh:Keep it comin' love...:laugh:

[SuzeQuze]

No, you had it right the first time :laugh:

And since his daughters have been spoiled their whole lives they don't care that he has to go into bankruptcy to support their lifestyle. So see? Spoiled and uncaring and selfish little girls....jerks.

Wow - you guys are getting a nice window into my family this week :laugh:

:laugh: So they'll never really be satisfied or happy. He's really doing them some favors! :rolleyes: Discipline is good for kids! God bless whomever they wind up marrying.

[DrummerDeanna]

:laugh: So they'll never really be satisfied or happy. He's really doing them some favors! :rolleyes: Discipline is good for kids! God bless whomever they wind up marrying.

Seriously. My brother-in-law has already told my (7yo) nephew to never marry a girl whose daddy called her "princess" :laugh:

[sara1998]

:laugh: So they'll never really be satisfied or happy. He's really doing them some favors! :rolleyes: Discipline is good for kids! God bless whomever they wind up marrying.

They'll make good ex-wives one of these days....

[SuzeQuze]

They'll make good ex-wives one of these days....

Yep, it'll be good for them when they take half. :laugh: