Whats Wrong with "Paper Doll"?

[ClintonScott]

I was reading the No Questions Asked thread, and a lot of folks were bashing Paper Doll. its not the best fm/stevie song but its a good tune. it appears on the Chain box set, and the very best of Fleetwood Mac double cd.

so your thoughts people why do you like it? why dont you like it?

i like it because of the lyrics and the beat. stevie's voice is a little crackly and dry sounding, sounds like it was recorded after she had a cold.

[carrie721]

I dunno why some people dislike it; I find it innocuous. I can imagine Stevie doing a little jig while singing it... :laugh:

[TheWILDheart]

lol - I know what you mean about the jig.

I really don't know 'Paper Doll'. I've heard it but I don't know it. It's sort of bouncy and catchy. I was humming it for weeks.

[David]

I was reading the No Questions Asked thread, and a lot of folks were bashing Paper Doll. its not the best fm/stevie song but its a good tune. it appears on the Chain box set, and the very best of Fleetwood Mac double cd.It's on the Very Best Of?! I totally had no idea.
so your thoughts people why do you like it? why dont you like it?The song doesn't matter to me one way or another, but I like the track a lot. It has a lot of the qualities I like: absence of crowding, clarity, island percussion, even a funky B3 groove. The Buckingham/Dashut touch is all over it.

[carrie721]

It's on the Very Best Of?! I totally had no idea.
The song doesn't matter to me one way or another, but I like the track a lot. It has a lot of the qualities I like: absence of crowding, clarity, island percussion, even a funky B3 groove. The Buckingham/Dashut touch is all over it.

David, what do you mean by "island percussion"?

[TheWILDheart]

It's on the Very Best Of?! I totally had no idea.

Only the 2CD version or "american" version..(i don't know why it's refered to as that because it is available in the UK). I don't know why it's on there though. Was it a single?

[David]

Only the 2CD version or "american" version..(i don't know why it's refered to as that because it is available in the UK). I don't know why it's on there though. Was it a single?I guess it was, although not a successful single. But the band or the label or somebody even released a video for it so I guess it was a single.

[David]

David, what do you mean by "island percussion"?
Caribbean instruments: steel drums, batá drums, shekerés (gourd rattles), congas, guataca, güiro &c. I don't know whether these things were used in the recording, but the atmosphere the band created percussively was redolent of the tropical islands of the Caribbean. The kind of atmosphere you find in salsa, rumba, reggae, merengue & so forth.

Which leads to the question: What other FM songs have this sound? "Did You Ever Love Me" (with actual steel drums) off "Penguin" is one.

[TheWILDheart]

I guess it was, although not a successful single. But the band or the label or somebody even released a video for it so I guess it was a single.

OMG there's a video for it :eek:!? Where can i find it?

[David]

OMG there's a video for it :eek:!? Where can i find it?
On YouTube.com

[carrie721]

Caribbean instruments: steel drums, batá drums, shekerés (gourd rattles), congas, guataca, güiro &c. I don't know whether these things were used in the recording, but the atmosphere the band created percussively was redolent of the tropical islands of the Caribbean. The kind of atmosphere you find in salsa, rumba, reggae, merengue & so forth.

Which leads to the question: What other FM songs have this sound? "Did You Ever Love Me" (with actual steel drums) off "Penguin" is one.

Oh right ... hahaha. My mind went in an entirely different direction. Thanks.

[TheWILDheart]

On YouTube.com


Thanks :)

I'm in the middle of Listening to 'Bella Donna' at the moment so I will watch it in a bit

[carrie721]

Here it is, for anyone who's curious:

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I think it's pretty lame ... were they trying to stay under their budget of $150 or something? They couldn't even get the band together to do a couple live shots? I wonder how invested FM was in this new lineup.

[JazmenFlowers]

the song is so cute. it's like Angel, to me, in that it seems like a fun little ditty, but if you were to sit down and read the lyrics, it's very serious...at least to me. the video sucks major ass.

and I love to shimmy my ass to it. I always think of people in cubicles at work on a hum drum day...then this song plays and they all start opening up wine coolers and putting sunscreen on their noses...

whoa, we were off the wall - my favorite line

[TheWILDheart]

I think it's pretty lame ... were they trying to stay under their budget of $150 or something? They couldn't even get the band together to do a couple live shots? I wonder how invested FM was in this new lineup.

Yeh I was thinking that. It's like the "Familly Man" video. Just a load of bits of other video's...most obviously "Seven Wonders".

Hey has anyone watched the SOTM performance from the Tusk video on YouTube? I have just watched it and it's AWESOME!

[DavidMn]

I dont care for it because Stevie sounds like she just smoked a carton in 5 minutes before she did the vocal. Just me though.

[carrie721]

I dont care for it because Stevie sounds like she just smoked a carton in 5 minutes before she did the vocal. Just me though.

Unlike you, I'm into that sort of thing! :lol:

I think 92 was a weird year for Stevie's voice ... She's kind of transitioning from her 80's sound to her new, lower register. I like her vocal on this, tho.

[DavidMn]

Unlike you, I'm into that sort of thing! :lol:

I think 92 was a weird year for Stevie's voice ... She's kind of transitioning from her 80's sound to her new, lower register. I like her vocal on this, tho.I wasnt trying to be rude. Sorry if you thought I was.:o

[carrie721]

I wasnt trying to be rude. Sorry if you thought I was.:o

Aww, I didn't think you were being rude! I was just kidding! :xoxo: I can be an ass sometimes, lol.

[DavidMn]

Aww, I didn't think you were being rude! I was just kidding! :xoxo: I can be an ass sometimes, lol.No offense taken.:wavey: I just worry about offending people sometimes.:)

[trackaghost]

Only the 2CD version or "american" version..(i don't know why it's refered to as that because it is available in the UK). I don't know why it's on there though. Was it a single?

The two-disc version is the American version. If it's available over here then it's the import. The UK version is just one disc and contains some Peter Green songs unlike the US version.

[ClintonScott]

"Paper Doll" was a single b-s "the Chain", it peaked at #104 on the pop charts according to the liner notes of the 2 cd best of...

[TheWILDheart]

"Paper Doll" was a single b-s "the Chain", it peaked at #104 on the pop charts according to the liner notes of the 2 cd best of...

Really? Cool...would that be the american billboard? There is a huge difference between the american singles charts and british singles charts for some reason. For example, the Rumours lineup haven't had a number one single over here...ever. The highest charting single was "Everywhere" (peaking at #4) followed by "Little Lies" (#5), "Tusk" (#6) and "Oh Diane" and "Big Love" are joint at #9. None of the Rumours singles made top 20 and only 2 of the Tusk singles made it to the top 100 (Sara and Tusk). Wierd

[Johnny Stew]

I think it's pretty lame ... were they trying to stay under their budget of $150 or something? They couldn't even get the band together to do a couple live shots? I wonder how invested FM was in this new lineup.The song doesn't really feature a "new" lineup, per se.... it's Mick, John, Christine, Stevie, Billy, Rick & Lindsey.

Production was originally started in 1988, with the then-current lineup, for possible inclusion on 'Greatest Hits.'
According to Rick Vito, Mick preferred "No Questions Asked," so "Paper Doll" was shelved.

(As an aside, I've always suspected that the real reason Mick "preferred" "No Questions Asked" at that time, was the fact that Vito had a co-writing credit on "Paper Doll." Perhaps he wasn't ready for one of the "new boys"... who possibly wouldn't last, if Lindsey would've agreed to come back... to collect songwriting royalties off of a release that could potentially sell millions of copies.)

Eventually, the track was dusted off, and Lindsey was brought in to overdub some vocals (and presumably some guitar parts), for use on the 1992 boxed-set. I'm not sure if any additional instrumentation was recorded at that time as well, or if Stevie re-recorded any of her vocals.

So, being that it was was the single released in the US to support the boxed-set, a video was compiled featuring footage of the seven Maccers who played on the song.

I thought it was a clever enough way to promote the song and boxed-set, since that particular group of people weren't available to film a video.

[macfan 57]

I like "Paper Doll" especially because of Chris's organ. Stevie's vocal is a big problem, but I actually like the song itself.

[Miss Vicky]

The vocals sound like another bad Bob Dylan impression and the lyrics are just heinous.

you like a man with a future
you like a woman with a past
Well do you really believe that
She said to the faces in the crowd

yesterday I was fascinated by somebody else...

Ugh. I haven't heard the song in years and I still remember that ****. I think I'm scarred for life.

[Johnny Stew]

the lyrics are just heinous.Granted it's no "Tangled Up In Texas" or "I Got It In For You." ;)

[Miss Vicky]

Granted it's no "Tangled Up In Texas" or "I Got It In For You." ;)


I love the lyrics to "I Got It In For You"

"Tangled Up in Texas" is bad, I'll give you that, but it makes me laugh so it's all good. Not quite as funny as "I Recovered I Survived," though.

Like an old crop duster pulling out of a dive
I recovered, I survived

:D

[Johnny Stew]

This is totally off-topic, but I LOVE Billy's cover of Steve Earle's "Copperhead Road." I listen to that track a lot.

(For the record, I like both "Tangled Up In Texas" and "I Got It In For You" -- I was just taking the piss. ;) )

[Miss Vicky]

This is totally off-topic, but I LOVE Billy's cover of Steve Earle's "Copperhead Road." I listen to that track a lot.

I haven't heard that one, but I usually LOVE Billy's covers. His versions of "Sitting on the Dock of the Bay," "Bye Bye Love," "Oh Well" and "The Letter" are incredible. I didn't care for his cover of "Ring of Fire" though.

[chiliD]

I didn't care for his cover of "Ring of Fire" though.

:shocked: :shocked: :shocked:

[Miss Vicky]

:shocked: :shocked: :shocked:

I tried to like it. I really did... but I failed. :distress:

Can you ever forgive me?

[Villavic]

I don't like the song, nor NQA

[TheWILDheart]

I don't like the song, nor NQA

aww I like both of them. People have said they think this is the worst mac song recorded..well...this or "the second time" but I like them both. I can't STAND "oh Diane"..it's AWFUL! That, for me, is the worst mac song.

[Miss Vicky]

I can't STAND "oh Diane"..it's AWFUL! That, for me, is the worst mac song.


"Oh Diane" a bad song? Indeed.

But the worst mac song? Far from it. Miles from it.

[TheWILDheart]

"Oh Diane" a bad song? Indeed.

But the worst mac song? Far from it. Miles from it.

Ok, the worst mac song would probably be a pre-buckingham nicks song. I really don't like the blues stuff but without it we wouldn't have the Fleetwood Mac we know today. "Oh Diane" is the worst LB song. I love pretty much everything Stevie Nicks has done with the mac and most Christine Stuff except "Only Over You" and a song on 'Tusk' I can't quite remember wot is called but for me "Oh Diane" takes the punch as the worst mac song. Miss Vicky what do you feel is the worst?

[carrie721]

Ok, the worst mac song would probably be a pre-buckingham nicks song.

Don't let Chili hear ya say that! :wavey: B&N have had some clunkers in their time. "Family Man" comes to mind, and I really dislike "Straight Back," although that'll probably get me crucified around here. :shocked:

[Miss Vicky]

Miss Vicky what do you feel is the worst?

As I've already stated in numerous other threads "The Second Time" is truly the worst Fleetwood Mac song ever recorded. Surely one of the worst songs of all time. Absolutely atrocious.

As for the pre-BN Fleetwood Mac, my only complaint about them is Jeremy Spencer's insistance on trying to be Elmore James. How many freakin' variations of "Dust My Broom" do we really need?

[carrie721]

How many freakin' variations of "Dust My Broom" do we really need?

I haven't heard enough. Just like "Send In The Clowns" - not enough singers have covered that. :cool:

[TheWILDheart]

Don't let Chili hear ya say that! :wavey: B&N have had some clunkers in their time. "Family Man" comes to mind, and I really dislike "Straight Back," although that'll probably get me crucified around here. :shocked:

I don't care what Chili thinks. I'm not keen on 'Family Man' either but I don't skip it. I can bare 'Family Man'. 'Oh Diane' makes me cringe. As i have said before Vicky, I like 'The Second Time' and infact was listening to it today. It's a really good song. I don't understand why you don't like it...

'Straigh Back' is good. I don't think it's one of there strongest tracks. My Dad would be the one to crucify you. he love the whole 'Mirage' album. I love Stevie's vocal on all her tracks from 'Mirage'.

[Miss Vicky]

I don't understand why you don't like it...

Because her voice sounds like a piss-poor Bob Dylan impression and the lyrics are crap. :shrug:

[TheWILDheart]

Because her voice sounds like a piss-poor Bob Dylan impression and the lyrics are crap. :shrug:

The lyrics are poor? OMG! No they aren't. It's one of her deeper songs and her voice sounds pretty much like Stevie Nicks to me...i don't know which version of 'The Second Time' you have been listening to.

[Miss Vicky]

The lyrics are poor?

How much of this "Yes they are" "No they aren't" bull**** are we going to go through?

I hate the lyrics. I've ALWAYS hated the lyrics. Period. Full stop. End of conversation on the matter.

And btw, do you just not retain any information from thread to thread? I feel like I'm having to repeat myself a thousand times with you. WTF? :confused:

[carrie721]

I don't care what Chili thinks. I'm not keen on 'Family Man' either but I don't skip it. I can bare 'Family Man'. 'Oh Diane' makes me cringe. As i have said before Vicky, I like 'The Second Time' and infact was listening to it today. It's a really good song. I don't understand why you don't like it...

'Straigh Back' is good. I don't think it's one of there strongest tracks. My Dad would be the one to crucify you. he love the whole 'Mirage' album. I love Stevie's vocal on all her tracks from 'Mirage'.

Mirage makes baby Jesus cry! :lol: I don't hate "Straight Back," but I don't understand why so many people go crazy for it. I think FM should have taken a much-needed break from each other instead of making Mirage. They had a five-year break between Mirage and TITN, and I think TITN really benefited from that.

[TheWILDheart]

And btw, do you just not retain any information from thread to thread? I feel like I'm having to repeat myself a thousand times with you. WTF? :confused:


No. I just have a life and have more important things to remember than what Stevie Nicks/Fleetwood Mac songs you decide to bitch about. I forget who you are because I really don't give a crap about you and therefore need a moment to remember but when you start bitching and going on about allsorts of crap I remember who you are.

[TheWILDheart]

Mirage makes baby Jesus cry! :lol: I don't hate "Straight Back," but I don't understand why so many people go crazy for it. I think FM should have taken a much-needed break from each other instead of making Mirage. They had a five-year break between Mirage and TITN, and I think TITN really benefited from that.

Oh I like 'Mirage' as an album. I just don't like 'Oh Diane'

[Miss Vicky]

No. I just have a life.

Could've fooled me. :rolleyes:

[Miss Vicky]

Mirage makes baby Jesus cry!

Amen to that one, sista!

[TheWILDheart]

Could've fooled me. :rolleyes:

Actually I do. I have a job and I have just done great in my exams at school and i have great mates around me...infact me and 14 others were out together today having a great time and guess what, i didn't spend the day thinking about responces to idoit-bimbo's that need to grow up.

[Miss Vicky]

i didn't spend the day thinking about responces to idoit-bimbo's that need to grow up.

Maybe not. But you have spent a good portion of the day on these boards, ergo you have no more of a life than the rest of us. :D

[TheWILDheart]

Maybe not. But you have spent a good portion of the day on these boards, ergo you have no more of a life than the rest of us. :D

A good portion of the day? It's 10:15pm...i've been on since I got home at 6.30pm...i went offline for half an hour to hav summert to eat and then I came back. I am talkin to ppl on msn as I argue with you looney bint. That ok for you or would u like to see a complete diary of my day?

[Miss Vicky]

I am talkin to ppl on msn as I argue with you looney bint.

WTF is a bint? Some kind of British slang or another one of your stupid typos?

[TheWILDheart]

WTF is a bint? Some kind of British slang or another one of your stupid typos?

a Bint basically means 'whore' but in a more polite way

[Miss Vicky]

a Bint basically means 'whore' but in a more polite way

Oh so now you're being polite with your insults. That's rich. :lol:

[TheWILDheart]

Oh so now you're being polite with your insults. That's rich. :lol:

I'm normally quite pollite but just not to you. And on that note I am going to BLOCK YOU!!!

[TheWILDheart]

My GOD woman you're 25!! GROW UP!!! Cretinous creature...

[carrie721]

My GOD woman you're 25!! GROW UP!!! Cretinous creature...

You're the one who's flipping out and slinging insults, dude. :shrug: Let's take a deep breath and talk about Fleetwood Mac, shall we? :woohoo:

[David]

Actually I do. I have a job and I have just done great in my exams at school and i have great mates around me...infact me and 14 others were out together today having a great time and guess what, i didn't spend the day thinking about responces to idoit-bimbo's that need to grow up.
I'm interested in your city, Leeds. Is it near any of these cities: Manchester, Lancaster, Liverpool?

Christine McVie is from the Manchester area.

[TheWILDheart]

ahhh yes but the reason is her. If she wasn't constantly saying that my opinions are wrong and hers are right and everyone should follow her opinion than we wouldn't have this problem. She is so hostile - I've never felt so unwelcome. Anway...the bitch has been blocked! Let us Mac-natter...

[TheWILDheart]

I'm interested in your city, Leeds. Is it near any of these cities: Manchester, Lancaster, Liverpool?

Christine McVie is from the Manchester area.

It's nearest to Lancaster but not too far from Manchester. I have relatives in Manchester

[carrie721]

ahhh yes but the reason is her. If she wasn't constantly saying that my opinions are wrong and hers are right and everyone should follow her opinion than we wouldn't have this problem. She is so hostile - I've never felt so unwelcome. Anway...the bitch has been blocked! Let us Mac-natter...

Well, you're still ultimately responsible for your own actions. You're not unwelcome, but name-calling is.

I forget. Do you like "Paper Doll"?

[David]

It's nearest to Lancaster but not too far from Manchester. I have relatives in ManchesterI would love to see some of those areas, like the docklands of London ("Docklands" is my favorite Stevie song).

They are rich in history & detail. Can I come visit?

[TheWILDheart]

You're not unwelcome, but name-calling is.

You've lost me on that one

Do you like "Paper Doll"?

Yes. It's not the best song but it's good. It cheers me up.

[TheWILDheart]

I would love to see some of those areas, like the docklands of London ("Docklands" is my favorite Stevie song).

They are rich in history & detail. Can I come visit?

lol...of course. You can sleep in my garden shed. JOKE! I don't live anywhere near London..sorry. Leeds is a very historic city and we do have the music museum and the Film and Photography museum. I love Leeds city. It's a fantastic place for a night out, shopping or even just hanging around. Unfortunaly, i live in a suburb quite far from leeds centre..so I have to travel to get there.

[Sugar]

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