Mirage Live [Archive]

TheWILDheart

06-20-2006, 03:39 PM

goldustsongbird

06-20-2006, 04:05 PM

Stevie was really workin' the vibrato/goat thing, I noticed. Especially during Gypsy. I loved SOTM, though.

Sahara

06-20-2006, 04:06 PM

For some reason Lindsey is snogging the microphone during 'Not that Funny'.

He's doing a lot more than that during Not That Funny.

Have to agree. The whole thing was quite scary. Not That Funny especially. I hope I never have to endure it again. The only real reason to dig it out agian are Rhiannon, SOTM and to a certain small extent Gypsy.
Not to mention the video and sound quality was abysmal.

Sahara

06-20-2006, 04:07 PM

PS: The Dance is top of my list, followed closely by Tango. Had Lindsey been there it would have been perfect. The whole thing was stunning. Sure, the close-ups were done separately, but she looked HOT.
And Gold Dust Woman on that video is to kill or die for. :nod:

foxyluva

06-20-2006, 04:25 PM

And Gold Dust Woman on that video is to kill or die for. :nod:

Oh yeah - I love this version of GDW, as you can tell from my signature - I love the "No, No, No, No, Not Again Baby... Not Again" on the ending of the late 80's GDW's - so amazing.

If anyone has the song ripped to MP3, please share :D

Sahara

06-20-2006, 04:25 PM

trackaghost

06-20-2006, 04:28 PM

Did anyone else think that the Mirage live video was AWFUL!? Stevie really strains her voice and for some reason Lindsey is snogging the microphone during 'Not that Funny'. Certain songs remain a mystery to me - why are Not that Funny and Sisters of the Moon even on there? As far as I know, they were not singles. I much prefer the Tango in the Night video except for Stevie's close-up's that were clearly done seperatly (what was with that!?) however White Wing Dove live Kicks ALL the FM live video's.

Woah, that's crazy talk!! Stevie's voice was terrible on the Tango video. I can't listen to it, it's passionless and sounds like it's been processed through a computer. At least the Mirage concert has some rawness and passion!
As for playing Not That Funny and Sisters Of The Moon when they weren't singles: Yep, it's terrible when bands play songs that weren't singles. I hope they never play The Chain, Eyes Of The World and Gold Dust Woman and many other concert faves if that's the case.
Funnily enough though Not That Funny and Sisters Of The Moon were actually singles. I have 7" singles for both. :)

Not to mention the video and sound quality was abysmal.

You need to get an original VHS copy then. The sound and picture quality is much better than on the ropey DVD that was released.

trackaghost

06-20-2006, 04:37 PM

Oh yeah - I love this version of GDW, as you can tell from my signature - I love the "No, No, No, No, Not Again Baby... Not Again" on the ending of the late 80's GDW's - so amazing.

If anyone has the song ripped to MP3, please share :D

The Dance version? I have the CD version that was a b-side of one of the Dance singles somewhere. Let me see if I can find it. I posted it before in the past along with the other missing songs from the Dance CD. :)

Sahara

06-20-2006, 04:41 PM

Gold Dust Woman from Tango in the Night Live, 1987

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=04484C4764D61A01

Enjoy! I know I did.

foxyluva

06-20-2006, 04:44 PM

The Dance version? I have the CD version that was a b-side of one of the Dance singles somewhere. Let me see if I can find it. I posted it before in the past along with the other missing songs from the Dance CD. :)

No, no, Im talking about the TITN version - I already have the version off the Dance :D Thanks anyway!

goldie

06-20-2006, 05:24 PM

I love the Mirage concert!!!!!!

foxyluva

06-20-2006, 05:29 PM

Gold Dust Woman from Tango in the Night Live, 1989

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=04484C4764D61A01

Enjoy! I know I did.

:xoxo: Cheers!

chiliD

06-20-2006, 05:35 PM

Gold Dust Woman from Tango in the Night Live, 1989.

Actually, the performance was in 1987.

DavidMn

06-20-2006, 05:39 PM

I've always felt the Mirage shows were less than cohesive. That's understandable considering the band dynamics at the time.:nod:

foxyluva

06-20-2006, 05:48 PM

Gold Dust Woman from Tango in the Night Live, 1987
Enjoy! I know I did.

I love this version - but still prefer the GDW from the OSOTM shows :D

Sahara

06-20-2006, 05:49 PM

Actually, the performance was in 1987.

Woops, my bad.

Cheerfully corrected! :thumbsup:

GDW from OSOTM? Sounds interesting. Can anyone post? I'd love to hear this.

DavidMn

06-20-2006, 05:53 PM

Woops, my bad.

Cheerfully corrected! :thumbsup:

GDW from OSOTM? Sounds interesting. Can anyone post? I'd love to hear this.Do it again and youre banned!;) :lol:

foxyluva

06-20-2006, 05:55 PM

GDW from OSOTM? Sounds interesting. Can anyone post? I'd love to hear this.

Certainly - here is my personal favourite:

Gold Dust Woman - Live Rotterdam, Netherlands 1989 (http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=19EF71BE399C89DE)

Its great because Stevie still does the "No No No Not Again...Not Again Baby" but also does "Not to Be...Not Again...Not to be...." :cool:

Its off the hook!!!! :blob1:

Sahara

06-20-2006, 06:37 PM

Do it again and youre banned!;) :lol:

It's on a par with talking about some guy called Lindsay Buckingham. :eek: ;)

Certainly - here is my personal favourite:

Gold Dust Woman - Live Rotterdam, Netherlands 1989 (http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=19EF71BE399C89DE)

Its great because Stevie still does the "No No No Not Again...Not Again Baby" but also does "Not to Be...Not Again...Not to be...." :cool:

Its off the hook!!!! :blob1:

Looking forward to listening, thank you!

I can't decide if I prefer the "no no no not again" ending or the "you should see me now" from Australia this year. I thought that was pretty interesting too ... Decisions decisions!

Thanks again! :thumbsup:

David

06-20-2006, 06:45 PM

Certainly - here is my personal favourite:

Gold Dust Woman - Live Rotterdam, Netherlands 1989 (http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=19EF71BE399C89DE)

Its great because Stevie still does the "No No No Not Again...Not Again Baby" but also does "Not to Be...Not Again...Not to be...." :cool:

Its off the hook!!!! :blob1:I think she's saying "Not to me"
("No, not again, baby ... not to me")

David

06-20-2006, 06:46 PM

Did anyone else think that the Mirage live video was AWFUL!? I much prefer the Tango in the Night videoHere's praying for a speedy recovery!

Sahara

06-20-2006, 06:53 PM

I think she's saying "Not to me"
("No, not again, baby ... not to me")

Either way it sounds amazing....

Her vocal on this track great but I was especially taken with the music and how it was done. Sort of unusual for GDW but I can't really put my finger on it ... stronger, somehow, more strident.

Or maybe that's just me.

Awesome stuff. Thanks so much!

foxyluva

06-20-2006, 07:44 PM

Either way it sounds amazing....

Her vocal on this track great but I was especially taken with the music and how it was done. Sort of unusual for GDW but I can't really put my finger on it ... stronger, somehow, more strident.

Or maybe that's just me.

Awesome stuff. Thanks so much!

Isn't it fabulous :D The music has got that magic feel to it that all the OSOTM shows have, alot like the album :nod:

EDIT: She says "Not to Me" in other GDW's in this tour like the Houston, TX show - But in this one she is totally saying "Not again baby, not to be" :D

jbrownsjr

06-20-2006, 10:34 PM

Houseonthehill

06-21-2006, 12:54 AM

macfan 57

06-21-2006, 05:19 AM

JazmenFlowers

06-21-2006, 08:31 AM

I totally agree.:nod: The only thing I don't like about the Mirage video is that it was edited down to just 13 songs. I would have preferred that they had released the entire set. I LOVE the Dance DVD, but the Mirage video is an actual concert from the Mirage tour. The Dance is a bit more like a studio release. And, there's really nothing wrong with the quality, if you have the original released videotape. I HOPE that someday it will be officially released on DVD.
this is exactly what I was about to say.

also, I don't think Stevie sounds horrible. her voice is strained...which is nothing new, but, to me, it really works during this concert. I do think Gypsy is a little off due to the vibrato. I know from experience that when your voice is strained, vibrato tends to show up more, it's just unconcious.

David

06-21-2006, 09:34 AM

this is exactly what I was about to say.

also, I don't think Stevie sounds horrible. her voice is strained...which is nothing new, but, to me, it really works during this concert. I do think Gypsy is a little off due to the vibrato. I know from experience that when your voice is strained, vibrato tends to show up more, it's just unconcious.Stvie had walking pneumonia during this tour, & many dates were postponed, including the nights filmed for the video.

It's just a whole different Stevie that you wouldn't be used to if you turned on to Stevie during The Dance or later. And of course as has already been mentioned, this was back in the day when the four musicians were practically the only people playing the music. Some fans love that & some don't. It was an entirely different era in live music, & probably sounds alien to young people who have no direct experience of a relatively small combo actually playing live onstage. It's that old Woodstock mentality from the '60s. These days, there are millions of dollars at stake so bands pad themselves out live with human & electronic equipment.

chiliD

06-21-2006, 10:12 AM

It was an entirely different era in live music, & probably sounds alien to young people who have no direct experience of a relatively small combo actually playing live onstage. It's that old Woodstock mentality from the '60s.

People playing music live without mechanical/electronic adornments has been around since Ogg started beating on rocks with bones from a wolly mammoth...it didn't just start when John Sebastian took the stage in Bethel in '69.

Shame on you, David.

I would have preferred that they had released the entire set.

I was there...if you had been, too, you'd have a whole different outlook.

macfan 57

06-21-2006, 10:37 AM

I was there...if you had been, too, you'd have a whole different outlook.

Why do you say that?:confused:

David

06-21-2006, 11:15 AM

People playing music live without mechanical/electronic adornments has been around since Ogg started beating on rocks with bones from a wolly mammoth...it didn't just start when John Sebastian took the stage in Bethel in '69.

Shame on you, David.Let me explain my position. I didn't say this phenomenon started in the '60s. I said that it was part of that '60s mentality & it was. In fact, I remember the KLOS jocks remarking on this phenomenon during their live, on-scene coverage of the US Festival in 83 during Stevie's set. They were comparing & contrasting the clean, professional, "perfect" quality of Stevie's backup band -- guys hired specifically to make no mistakes -- with the bands at Woodstock (& elsewhere in the '60s & early '70s), who were more likely to jam around freely & be out of tune & just be generally rougher.

I was there...if you had been, too, you'd have a whole different outlook.Mary Anne has undoubtedly heard or seen entire 82 shows. I saw the shows throughout the state that year & I loved em so much I'd have been thrilled with an uncut video record. I'd have been happier with the Irvine Meadows benefit (which I felt was more noticeably powerful & packed a bigger emotional wallop) on video, but the Forum shows were good enough in my book.

macmar71

06-21-2006, 11:26 AM

I love the Mirage concert!!!!!!

Same here!!! One of my favorites!!! :blob2: :blob1: :D

strandinthewind

06-21-2006, 11:38 AM

I was at The Dance concert in Atlanta and while waiting for the gates to open, someone had the audio of the live Mirage version of Gypsy playing. It sounded good when heard that way for some reason.

My beef about that recording is they were all way too wasted and they sang out of key more than once.

They also look unhappy and burnt out.

That being said, that version of SOTM flat out rocks even though it is way scary.

David

06-21-2006, 11:54 AM

I was at The Dance concert in Atlanta and while waiting for the gates to open, someone had the audio of the live Mirage version of Gypsy playing. It sounded good when heard that way for some reason.

My beef about that recording is they were all way too wasted and they sang out of key more than once.

They also look unhappy and burnt out.People bring a lot of their own emotional lives into their views of the band. To me, the band looks very happy, enjoying its status & the rough energy of its appeal.

chiliD

06-21-2006, 12:05 PM

...they were all way too wasted

Oh, but so was 80% of the audience at the two shows filmed, as well.

They also look unhappy and burnt out.

Depends on which night of the filming...one night was all "lovey dovey" between them, the other they were shooting daggered looks at each other throughout the performance...a smack-down could've broken out on stage at any moment. Kudos to the poor guys/girls who were given the job of editing the footage and sound.

JazmenFlowers

06-21-2006, 01:26 PM

That being said, that version of SOTM flat out rocks even though it is way scary.
SOTM and Rhiannon are both classic performances, in my book.

strandinthewind

06-21-2006, 01:32 PM

SOTM and Rhiannon are both classic performances, in my book.

Rhiannon was the end of an era. I still cringe when she strains her voice on the high notes and am still in awe when she widens her eyes while singing in profile.

Also - isn't the gauzey back of that dress incredible!

JazmenFlowers

06-21-2006, 01:43 PM

Rhiannon was the end of an era. I still cringe when she strains her voice on the high notes and am still in awe when she widens her eyes while singing in profile.

Also - isn't the gauzey back of that dress incredible!
I always quote Stevie with these are the moments that I live for

you ain't never lied. Rhiannon was certainly the end of an era...and that dress is simply fabulous. I love how when she turns around to do the vamping that she folds it behind her and the tips sway like dove tails. oh, I could plotz.

I guess I love, too, the energy that comes out of actually being tired off your ass...that's what I get from the Mirage concert.

skcin

06-21-2006, 02:50 PM

Did anyone else think that the Mirage live video was AWFUL!? Stevie really strains her voice and for some reason Lindsey is snogging the microphone during 'Not that Funny'. Certain songs remain a mystery to me - why are Not that Funny and Sisters of the Moon even on there? As far as I know, they were not singles. I much prefer the Tango in the Night video except for Stevie's close-up's that were clearly done seperatly (what was with that!?) however White Wing Dove live Kicks ALL the FM live video's.

You know, that's why I LIKE the Mirage video. :shrug: It wasn't perfect, it wasn't too retouched, it wasn't overedited to make it look like an MTV video or movie. It's about as close as you can get to a real concert, IMO. Yeah, they're off-key a whole bunch. Yeah, I'm not really a fan of LB going down on the mike during NTF. But these are great, emotional performances.

I loathe the TITN DVD, but I'll agree with you that the WWD vid takes the cake. Fabulous, that one. :nod:

TheWILDheart

06-21-2006, 03:16 PM

As for playing Not That Funny and Sisters Of The Moon when they weren't singles: Yep, it's terrible when bands play songs that weren't singles. I hope they never play The Chain, Eyes Of The World and Gold Dust Woman and many other concert faves if that's the case.
Funnily enough though Not That Funny and Sisters Of The Moon were actually singles. I have 7" singles for both. :).

Really? I didn't know they were singles. They certainly weren't in the UK. I have no problem with bands playing songs that weren't singles but 1. why for the encore and 2. why put them on the tour video?

TheWILDheart

06-21-2006, 03:29 PM

I loathe the TITN DVD, but I'll agree with you that the WWD vid takes the cake. Fabulous, that one. :nod:

How can you loathe the TITN video? I love it. I love Christine's live version of Isn't it Midnight and Stevie's version of Stand Back but I hate the editing - it's all over the place. And does anyone know why Stevie's close-up's were done seperatly? They did it on the Red Rocks video too and it is really annoying. Mirage just makes me cringe. I loved the Mirage album but the video was disapointing. Stevie's vocals on Rhiannon are evil and every so ofter during Rhiannon, Sister of the Moon and Gypsy she glances over at the other band members to sort of say "help!" and Lindsey (being the arrogant bastard that he is) is just giggling to himself and hoping this would push Stevie aside for a bit (he never liked her being the biggest artist in the band). So anyway, what are peoples feelings about the Red Rocks DVD? I really don't like it that much - especially not Stevie slaughtering her own song (edge of seventeen). Loved I Can't Wait and Outside the Rain though. Does anyone have a clip of the I Can't Wait red rocks performance?

Angel69

06-21-2006, 03:35 PM

Really? I didn't know they were singles. They certainly weren't in the UK. I have no problem with bands playing songs that weren't singles but 1. why for the encore and 2. why put them on the tour video?

I think NTF and SOTM were put on the video because thet are kick ass performances. The 3 guys jamming on NTF is great to watch. As for SOTM, Stevie just takes command of the song, stage and band and lets it rip and I think most fans are happy to have them clear for the most part and recorded.

trackaghost

06-21-2006, 03:51 PM

Really? I didn't know they were singles. They certainly weren't in the UK. I have no problem with bands playing songs that weren't singles but 1. why for the encore and 2. why put them on the tour video?

Not That Funny was definitely, definitely a single in the UK. I'm in the UK too btw. Anyway, that video wasn't produced just to be released in the UK but around the world. Why would they tailor it to what had been successful in one country?
Sisters Of The Moon may not have been released here as a single in the UK (although I'm not a 100 percent on that), but a, it's a kick ass performance and b, it's a kick ass performance. I prefer seeing those songs on the video than yet another performance of Dreams and Don't Stop personally. I also enjoy Lindsey's wonderfully hysterical Not That Funny. It's mad and full of life, which is how a rock and roll concert should be. (And the Mac are a rock band, not a pop band in my opinion).

It's so strange to me that you think Stevie slaughtered Edge Of 17 on the Red Rocks concert. So many people like that because she's lets loose and shows some passion. It's rock and roll! The reason I hate the Tango DVD is because it's so stilted and flashy. Stevie's voice sounds unnatural, monotone and she is very guarded with it, I guess because she was having problems on that tour. It was the beginning of the klonopin years afterall.
As for Stand Back, the Solid Gold and Saturday Night Live versions knock the socks off the Tango version IMO.

skcin

06-21-2006, 03:55 PM

The reason I hate the Tango DVD is because it's so stilted and flashy. Stevie's voice sounds unnatural, monotone and she is very guarded with it...

:nod: :nod: :nod:

It's way too cheesy 80's overedited pop video to me. Oh, and no Lindsey! :( I don't watch Red Rocks either. Mainly because I litereally cannot get through either without rolling my eyes.

trackaghost

06-21-2006, 04:03 PM

:nod: :nod: :nod:

It's way too cheesy 80's overedited pop video to me. Oh, and no Lindsey! :( I don't watch Red Rocks either. Mainly because I litereally cannot get through either without rolling my eyes.

Cheesy, oh yes. I was trying to think of the right word and that's it. It's all shoulder pads and glitz, editing and flash over rock n' roll and passion.
I hate the Stevie close-ups too, in both the Tango and Red Rocks videos. I prefer Red Rocks though because it's nice to hear tracks like Talk To Me and No Spoken Word. The White Wing concert is definitely the best Stevie concert though, no doubt about that. :nod:

foxyluva

06-21-2006, 04:07 PM

Cheesy, oh yes. I was trying to think of the right word and that's it. It's all shoulder pads and glitz, editing and flash over rock n' roll and passion.
I hate the Stevie close-ups too, in both the Tango and Red Rocks videos. I prefer Red Rocks though because it's nice to hear tracks like Talk To Me and No Spoken Word. The White Wing concert is definitely the best Stevie concert though, no doubt about that. :nod:

I hate the close ups of Stevie too - especially in Red Rocks - doesn't anybody notice that she has a completely different hairstyle :shrug: :laugh:

skcin

06-21-2006, 04:16 PM

Red Rocks is OK to listen to, I just don't want to have to see it. The fake lightening flashes in the background during Dreams is enough to make my nauseous.

TITN - no passion, it's like it's not even live. Well, I guess a lot of it isn't. :D

foxyluva

06-21-2006, 04:23 PM

Red Rocks is OK to listen to, I just don't want to have to see it. The fake lightening flashes in the background during Dreams is enough to make my nauseous.

:laugh: I totally agree. Tell me why again this is the only official Stevie release on DVD we have?? :rolleyes:

The TITN DVD is not great either - the close ups of Stevie make it look like it was HER band :eek: And Billy's and Rick's voices sound poofy in songs like "The Chain"...

chiliD

06-21-2006, 04:31 PM

Really? I didn't know they were singles. They certainly weren't in the UK. I have no problem with bands playing songs that weren't singles but 1. why for the encore and 2. why put them on the tour video?

My God. You'd think the world revolved around singles. SCREW SINGLES. Album tracks are where its at, and where it has BEEN at since the '60s. Singles are a dead format.

Mageboy25

06-21-2006, 04:46 PM

TheWILDHeart you must be new dearie. Your not going to find anyone here that doesnt like the Sisters Of The Moon from the Mirage concert.

jbrownsjr

06-21-2006, 05:29 PM

SOTM and Rhiannon are both classic performances, in my book.

me too, i might even call these my fav's especiall SOTM

TheWILDheart

06-21-2006, 05:34 PM

TheWILDHeart you must be new dearie. Your not going to find anyone here that doesnt like the Sisters Of The Moon from the Mirage concert.

Oh I love the Sisters of the Moon performance. I just don't see why it part of the encore for the Mirage Tour. I would love to see a concert opened by Sisters of the Moon. I just don't like the Mirage tour video. As i have said before, The White Wing Dove live video kicks all the mac live video's. I don't like Live in Boston either - they missed out the main highlights IMO.

jbrownsjr

06-21-2006, 05:36 PM

Really? I didn't know they were singles. They certainly weren't in the UK. I have no problem with bands playing songs that weren't singles but 1. why for the encore and 2. why put them on the tour video?

IMO i think its a waste to close a show with the most popular single... it just doesn't move me.... plus wasn't GYOW in the encore... and Songbird... now that was moving....

2. because it's not all about the hits.... for me (and i am not being sarcastic) for me... it's about the music regardless if radio or not... i don't let the radio tell me what the best songs are....

jbrownsjr

06-21-2006, 05:48 PM

:nod: :nod: :nod:

It's way too cheesy 80's overedited pop video to me. Oh, and no Lindsey! :( I don't watch Red Rocks either. Mainly because I litereally cannot get through either without rolling my eyes.

i don't care about no Lindsey because Rick and Billy were good, it's just that... well it's when they decided we want to go from being a raw band to overproduced and cheesy... they continued this on The DAnce...

jbrownsjr

06-21-2006, 05:50 PM

one thing I'd like to add.. Rick's outfit in the Tango video was unforgivable :laugh:

TheWILDheart

06-21-2006, 05:57 PM

IMO i think its a waste to close a show with the most popular single... it just doesn't move me.... plus wasn't GYOW in the encore... and Songbird... now that was moving....

2. because it's not all about the hits.... for me (and i am not being sarcastic) for me... it's about the music regardless if radio or not... i don't let the radio tell me what the best songs are....

I completely agree with you. It's just usually tour video's tend to be packed with bad cutting and all the singles with the odd album track. Plus, what really baffles me is that SOTM wasn't on the Tusk set list or on anyother after Mirage....why? No GYOW came before the encore and Don't Stop came right in the middle of the show (again...odd). The encore was just SOTM and Songbird. I bet Lindsey was pissed about that lol.

macfan 57

06-21-2006, 06:02 PM

IMO i think its a waste to close a show with the most popular single... it just doesn't move me.... plus wasn't GYOW in the encore... and Songbird... now that was moving....

The encores were "Blue Letter", "Sisters Of The Moon" & then "Songbird" closed the show. However, they mixed up the order on the video. "Blue Letter" is in the middle of the video set list, for some strange reason.

And, they also added a clavinet to "You Make Loving Fun" in the editing process. When I saw them on that tour, there was definitely no clavinet.

macfan 57

06-21-2006, 06:07 PM

Plus, what really baffles me is that SOTM wasn't on the Tusk set list or on anyother after Mirage....why? No GYOW came before the encore and Don't Stop came right in the middle of the show (again...odd). The encore was just SOTM and Songbird.

"Don't Stop" was played early in the set list that tour, the third song. "Sisters Of The Moon" was played on the Tusk tour. It was even played on the last leg of the Rumours tour in 1978. I think the running order on the Mirage tour was just fine.

SortaSavageLike

06-21-2006, 06:14 PM

And, they also added a clavinet to "You Make Loving Fun" in the editing process. When I saw them on that tour, there was definitely no clavinet.

I've never actually seen the Mirage video, but I've seen Eyes of the World, Not That Funny, and Sisters of the Moon from it. On SOTM they've overdubbed the bass all to hell - look at the end; John is going nuts but the bass doesn't match his playing at all. Drives me nuts! :mad:

Sahara

06-21-2006, 06:25 PM

I hate the close ups of Stevie too - especially in Red Rocks - doesn't anybody notice that she has a completely different hairstyle :shrug: :laugh:

Yep. Hilarious on one level. And not on another. So, so very not.

I actually quite like Red Rocks. Edge of Seventeen especially .... it's just ... I don't know. Intense or something!

And Billy's and Rick's voices sound poofy in songs like "The Chain"...

:laugh: As per usua ... I'll be good. *bites tongue*

one thing I'd like to add.. Rick's outfit in the Tango video was unforgivable :laugh:

His presence was fairly ... I'll be good. :rolleyes:

PS: I don't really hate them. I just wish they were Lindsey. :o

Johnny Stew

06-21-2006, 06:47 PM

well it's when they decided we want to go from being a raw band to overproduced and cheesy... they continued this on The DAnce...I guess it's never bothered me (the additional musicians & backing singers on stage) because the Buckingham & Nicks era studio albums were always so slickly produced. I don't mean "slick" in a bad way, of course, because I love "slick" as it's done by Fleetwood Mac.

So I have an appreciation for the more polished live sound, though I understand where other people are coming from when they say they miss the spontaneity and rawness.

In the end, I just want something that sounds good to my ears... so I'm cool with it whether there are 12 people up on stage or five.

trackaghost

06-21-2006, 07:21 PM

I completely agree with you. It's just usually tour video's tend to be packed with bad cutting and all the singles with the odd album track. Plus, what really baffles me is that SOTM wasn't on the Tusk set list or on anyother after Mirage....why? No GYOW came before the encore and Don't Stop came right in the middle of the show (again...odd). The encore was just SOTM and Songbird. I bet Lindsey was pissed about that lol.

Sisters Of The Moon was not only on the Tusk tour, it's even on the infamous Tusk Documentary & Live Concert video. It was a staple of later Rumours shows, the Tusk tour and the Mirage tour. Why is it odd then that they would include such a showstopper and live favourite on a live video?

I'm not sure why Lindsey would be pissed, since Go Your Own Way ends the show before the encore, much as it did on recent tours :confused: And then he gets to seriously rock out on Sisters with a fantastic solo. And my three versions of the Mirage video (we are talking about the Mirage concert aren't we?), don't have Don't Stop on them at all.

Also, I have to say, knowing the Mac, I'm sure they approved that video before it went on sale. And it's got eight singles on there, four concert staples(I'm So Afraid, Sisters Of The Moon, Songbird and perhaps their most famous song, The Chain) and one album track (Eyes Of The World) from their, at that time, new record. How is that not a good setlist, with something for casual fans and hardcore devotees?

I agree with jbrownsjr, the fact that it's just the simple five-piece band playing, no frills, with plenty of drama and passion, is what appeals to me about the Mirage video.

David

06-21-2006, 07:26 PM

I guess it's never bothered me (the additional musicians & backing singers on stage) because the Buckingham & Nicks era studio albums were always so slickly produced. I don't mean "slick" in a bad way, of course, because I love "slick" as it's done by Fleetwood Mac.The differences are:

1. That the players on the albums are Christine McVie, John McVie, Lindsey Buckingham & Mick Fleetwood, rather than (insert numerous names of hired sessionists here). The aforementioned four have a lot more personality & the stamp of personal style in their playing than do the sessionists, who are self-trained & paid to supply a mainstream instrumental cushion that rocks no boats rather than to express highly individual & idiosyncratic sonic textures.

2. That the neobaroque splendor & the dainty miniaturism of the Mac's production style find a complementary haven in the cleanly controlled environment of the studio & the dynamically sensitive medium of the CD--& not in the cavernous sports arenas & amphitheaters of the live show, where such details are almost always lost amid greatly diminished dynamics & reverberative sludge.

I think, for both these reasons, the band's earlier approach--clean & detailed in the studio but jagged & aggressive onstage--made far better aesthetic & physical sense.

In the end, I just want something that sounds good to my ears... so I'm cool with it whether there are 12 people up on stage or five.Well, yeah, I do, too. But five on stage is exactly what happens to sound better!

jbrownsjr

06-21-2006, 08:08 PM

Johnny Stew

06-21-2006, 08:13 PM

I don't know what I'm going to do about that kid. :distress: Maybe it's time for boarding school.

jbrownsjr

06-21-2006, 08:23 PM

I don't know what I'm going to do about that kid. :distress: Maybe it's time for boarding school.

another reason i love mirage better is all five of them look like drag queens

HomerMcvie

06-21-2006, 09:15 PM

another reason i love mirage better is all five of them look like drag queens
Freak!:rolleyes:

jbrownsjr

06-21-2006, 09:34 PM

Freak!:rolleyes:

:nod: :nod: :nod:

UndoingTheLaces

06-22-2006, 03:09 AM

I've never actually seen the Mirage video, but I've seen Eyes of the World, Not That Funny, and Sisters of the Moon from it. On SOTM they've overdubbed the bass all to hell - look at the end; John is going nuts but the bass doesn't match his playing at all. Drives me nuts! :mad:

Actually, it's not that it's overdubbed, but that the video is a composite of two different night's performances. In fact, there's a really bad edit right before the last verse. So it's more of an editing issue than a dubbing issue.

Speaking of the Mirage video, does anyone have a good mp3 of Eyes of the World from it. I have to say it's my favorite performance of this great little song. I love the way they do the "Woooaa ooooh ooooh's" at the chorous rather than the subdued "oooooo's" and "eyes...eyes...eyes..." that they brought back for the SYW tour. I would also really love an mp3 of the Mirage video Blue Letter too, but beggars can't be choosers.

Thanks guys. :)

David

06-22-2006, 09:53 AM

Actually, it's not that it's overdubbed, but that the video is a composite of two different night's performances. In fact, there's a really bad edit right before the last verse. So it's more of an editing issue than a dubbing issue.Stevie wore dress boots with her leg warmers pulled over them on the 1st night, & her standard platforms the 2nd night.

TheWILDheart

06-22-2006, 10:13 AM

Sisters Of The Moon was not only on the Tusk tour, it's even on the infamous Tusk Documentary & Live Concert video. It was a staple of later Rumours shows, the Tusk tour and the Mirage tour. Why is it odd then that they would include such a showstopper and live favourite on a live video?

Honnestly, I didn't know that and I've never heard of the Tusk Documentary and Live Concert Video...what makes it so infamous? Also, I was watching 'The Dance' DVD last night and I saw Fleetwood Mac on that tour and it wasn't ANYTHING like what I saw on that video. Micks drums were heavier...the guitar and bass were louder..the whole thing sounded more like a rock concert rather than the soft, easy-going Dance DVD. Was the DVD concert specifcally done for the DVD/CD?

David

06-22-2006, 10:19 AM

Was the DVD concert specifcally done for the DVD/CD?
Yes indeed. It was set up in a highly controllable environment, a soundstage in Burbank, specifically to film.

TheWILDheart

06-22-2006, 10:47 AM

Yes indeed. It was set up in a highly controllable environment, a soundstage in Burbank, specifically to film.

God, you can really tell thats what they've done. It sucks too. I saw them on the dance tour and it was NOTHING like that.

JazmenFlowers

06-22-2006, 11:27 AM

God, you can really tell thats what they've done. It sucks too. I saw them on the dance tour and it was NOTHING like that.
The Dance sucks? is that what you're saying? :shrug:

trackaghost

06-22-2006, 11:38 AM

Honnestly, I didn't know that and I've never heard of the Tusk Documentary and Live Concert Video...what makes it so infamous?

Just because it's unavailable and its great. It's famous around these parts. It was released back in the early 80s and has been deleted ever since.

PenguinHead

06-22-2006, 11:53 AM

The differences are:

1. That the players on the albums are Christine McVie, John McVie, Lindsey Buckingham & Mick Fleetwood, rather than (insert numerous names of hired sessionists here). The aforementioned four have a lot more personality & the stamp of personal style in their playing than do the sessionists, who are self-trained & paid to supply a mainstream instrumental cushion that rocks no boats rather than to express highly individual & idiosyncratic sonic textures.

2. That the neobaroque splendor & the dainty miniaturism of the Mac's production style find a complementary haven in the cleanly controlled environment of the studio & the dynamically sensitive medium of the CD--& not in the cavernous sports arenas & amphitheaters of the live show, where such details are almost always lost amid greatly diminished dynamics & reverberative sludge.

I think, for both these reasons, the band's earlier approach--clean & detailed in the studio but jagged & aggressive onstage--made far better aesthetic & physical sense.

Well, yeah, I do, too. But five on stage is exactly what happens to sound better!

David, Amen! You hit the nail on the head. Perhaps it's a generation gap, but I don't go to concert expecting a polished note-for-note Vegas act.

In the Fleetwood Mac of old, I loved hearing how they would transform studio polished songs into raw, live honest rock and roll, with all its spontaneous rough edges.

I lament the fact that Fleetwood Mac, as a live act, is now so generic in sound and approach. Still, I can understand that, with age, old rockers would be inclined to add support players.

The Mirage video rocks! The Tango video is tepid!

TheWILDheart

06-22-2006, 11:54 AM

The Dance sucks? is that what you're saying? :shrug:

no....i quite like the dance CD. I just don't like the way they set up the whole thing specifically for the dvd. I would have prefered that the concert came from part of the tour as the tour was better than the DVD.

PenguinHead

06-22-2006, 12:08 PM

no....i quite like the dance CD. I just don't like the way they set up the whole thing specifically for the dvd. I would have prefered that the concert came from part of the tour as the tour was better than the DVD.

Well, the irony in that statement is that without the CD/DVD there likely wouldn't have been a tour!

chiliD

06-22-2006, 12:11 PM

Well, the irony in that statement is that without the CD/DVD there likely wouldn't have been a tour!

AMEN!! :thumbsup:

The Mirage video rocks! The Tango video is tepid!

If you're only talking about the final video product. The actual live shows on the Tango tour kicked some major butt...the video doesn't come close to capturing that. That "Shakin' The Cage" tour is my favorite Fleetwood Mac tour of all the tours I've witnessed in person.

HomerMcvie

06-22-2006, 12:17 PM

David, Amen! You hit the nail on the head. Perhaps it's a generation gap, but I don't go to concert expecting a polished note-for-note Vegas act.

In the Fleetwood Mac of old, I loved hearing how they would transform studio polished songs into raw, live honest rock and roll, with all its spontaneous rough edges.

The Mirage video rocks! The Tango video is tepid!
Exactly. I want to know WHO decided that they could no longer be a five piece band, that a freakin' orchestra was required. And that's what they are now, a Vegas act.:distress:
Mirage is the BEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TheWILDheart

06-22-2006, 12:18 PM

Shakin the Cage? is that some sort of pre-Buckingham Nicks tour? I dnt show any interest in the mac until 1975.

chiliD

06-22-2006, 12:23 PM

Shakin the Cage? is that some sort of pre-Buckingham Nicks tour? I dnt show any interest in the mac until 1975.

"Shakin' The Cage" was the official title of the 1987/88 tour in support of the Tango In The Night album. It just is kind of suspicious that Mick used that same title for a subsequent Zoo album, too.

TheWILDheart

06-22-2006, 12:26 PM

really? that was the official title? oh...didn't know that. Oh well...ya learn something new everyday.

justcrazylove

06-23-2006, 02:09 AM

it looks like your learning alot:laugh:

TheWILDheart

06-23-2006, 09:00 AM

Exactly. I want to know WHO decided that they could no longer be a five piece band, that a freakin' orchestra was required. And that's what they are now, a Vegas act.:distress:
Mirage is the BEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't know what the freakin hell you are on about. Watch the Mirage video again and look to the right of the stage - sort of at an angel right of Mick. There are 2 extra guitar players, 4 backup singers and the guy who does backup drums.

trackaghost

06-23-2006, 09:44 AM

I don't know what the freakin hell you are on about. Watch the Mirage video again and look to the right of the stage - sort of at an angel right of Mick. There are 2 extra guitar players, 4 backup singers and the guy who does backup drums.

Are you sure you watched the Mirage video? There are no extra players, besides Ray Lindsey who you see playing acoustic guitar on Go Your Own Way. There certainly isn't another drummer let alone four back-up singers?! Where would they hide them on that stage? Bizarre.

SortaSavageLike

06-23-2006, 09:49 AM

Are you sure you watched the Mirage video? There are no extra players, besides Ray Lindsey who you see playing acoustic guitar on Go Your Own Way. There certainly isn't another drummer let alone four back-up singers?! Where would they hide them on that stage? Bizarre.

TheWILDheart has the Sixth Sense! :eek:

jbrownsjr

06-23-2006, 09:49 AM

i liked the basic lighting system they used on Mirage... lots of blue... and those big flashing lights on the side.... not to mention the air blowing christine's hair while she sang :laugh:

cliffdweller

06-23-2006, 10:14 AM

not to mention the air blowing christine's hair while she sang :laugh:

I have to admit, I really like this too for some odd reason. However, I think Chris's wardrobe (not to mention that garish make-up) needed A LOT of help. Chris is an attractive lady, why did she opt for such a frumpy look?

Stevie has clown make-up on too, I guess it's "performance" make-up but it looks ghastly to me. Lindsey's make-up isn't that great either :laugh: I think Mick was even wearing some eye-liner. What was WITH the make-up on this tour? :laugh:

TheWILDheart

06-23-2006, 10:20 AM

TheWILDheart has the Sixth Sense! :eek:

LMAO - I wish. I am almost certain it was Mirage. I watched them all recently and there were backup singers and 2 guitarists...oh well...:shrug:

chiliD

06-23-2006, 10:26 AM

LMAO - I wish. I am almost certain it was Mirage. I watched them all recently and there were backup singers and 2 guitarists...oh well...:shrug:

Nope, couldn't have been. They didn't have any "hangers on" on that tour. Lindsey's guitar tech, Ray, played acoustic on two or three numbers (GYOW, Second Hand News, Hold Me...maybe Gypsy, too), but that was it.

TheWILDheart

06-23-2006, 10:37 AM

Nope, couldn't have been. They didn't have any "hangers on" on that tour. Lindsey's guitar tech, Ray, played acoustic on two or three numbers (GYOW, Second Hand News, Hold Me...maybe Gypsy, too), but that was it.

OK I've confused myself now. Right...i am going to go and watch TITN, Mirage, The Dance and WWD now..

HomerMcvie

06-23-2006, 10:55 AM

I don't know what the freakin hell you are on about. Watch the Mirage video again and look to the right of the stage - sort of at an angel right of Mick. There are 2 extra guitar players, 4 backup singers and the guy who does backup drums.
Firstly, what in the hell are you smoking?
Secondly, did you bring enough to share with the class?

You have NO idea what concert video you're talking about.
Ray plays acoustic on Gypsy and GYOW. I've heard that the keyboard tech plays on Tusk. That's it, afaik.

macfan 57

06-23-2006, 11:04 AM

LMAO - I wish. I am almost certain it was Mirage. I watched them all recently and there were backup singers and 2 guitarists...oh well...:shrug:

There are NO backup singers on the Mirage video. As Sharon said, Ray Lindsey plays guitar on Go Your Own Way & Gypsy. He also played on Second Hand News, but that song isn't on the video. That's it. You're probably mixing it up with the Tango or Dance DVD. Anybody & everybody are on those DVDs.

macfan 57

06-23-2006, 11:14 AM

i liked the basic lighting system they used on Mirage... lots of blue... and those big flashing lights on the side.... not to mention the air blowing christine's hair while she sang :laugh:

I've always loved that too. I didn't like her make-up though, either on the Mirage tour or her solo tour 2 years later. She looked fantastic again on the Tango tour.

David

06-23-2006, 12:25 PM

I've always loved that too.That's one of the perks of being the keyboardist: You can easily hook an electric fan to your stand or your rig. The drummer can do that, too (but for some weird reason, usually doesn't).
I didn't like her make-up though, either on the Mirage tour or her solo tour 2 years later.Yeah, that Nefertiti look was sort of retro '60s (think early Streisand) & just didn't quite capture the Chris I know & love.
She looked fantastic again on the Tango tour.She was the dope on the Tango tour! (& the tour after that)

priestofnothing

06-23-2006, 07:17 PM

Stvie had walking pneumonia during this tour, & many dates were postponed, including the nights filmed for the video.

Also, I'm not certain of the exact dates of either event, but I seem to recall that the Mirage concert was filmed just a couple of weeks before Robin died. So, in addition to be sick and all coked-up, I'm sure Stevie had a lot of heavy distracting stuff on her mind when this show was filmed. The combination of all of the above surely would have affected her performance.

David

06-23-2006, 09:21 PM

Also, I'm not certain of the exact dates of either event, but I seem to recall that the Mirage concert was filmed just a couple of weeks before Robin died. So, in addition to be sick and all coked-up, I'm sure Stevie had a lot of heavy distracting stuff on her mind when this show was filmed. The combination of all of the above surely would have affected her performance.Yes, indeed, priestofnothing. Anderson died just two to three weeks before these shows (as well as Irvine Meadows, Oakland, Denver, Baton Rouge, Cedar Falls & Austin). In fact, my theory is that the terrifying stress & the grief brought on the pneumonia (as grief is commonly known to do).

Lots of things to think about when one thinks about those extraordinary, whiskey-soaked vocals of Stevie's on the Mirage Tour, as well as her absolutely extraordinary way (completely new that year) of bridging a word or syllable in a descending motive across an interval structure that went from the 3rd tone of the Dorian mode to the 1st, & then from the 2nd to the 7th below the 1st. That motif in Stevie's singing actually began in 1982, & continued through the 1986 tour. It was at its height during the 1983 tour.

carrie721

06-23-2006, 11:31 PM

Lots of things to think about when one thinks about those extraordinary, whiskey-soaked vocals of Stevie's on the Mirage Tour, as well as her absolutely extraordinary way (completely new that year) of bridging a word or syllable in a descending motive across an interval structure that went from the 3rd tone of the Dorian mode to the 1st, & then from the 2nd to the 7th below the 1st. That motif in Stevie's singing actually began in 1982, & continued through the 1986 tour. It was at its height during the 1983 tour.

Example, please? :D

Mad4stevie

06-24-2006, 09:57 PM

I totally agree that this video kicks major ass! The bad editing is annoying but somewhat forgiveable because the performances are so excellent, IMO.

Speaking of the video, I have wanted video files of The Chain, GYOW and SOTM for so long ( I have them on video and dvd, but not on the computer), can any kind soul out there upload them to yousendit ? Pretty please? :wavey:

Nicks Fan

06-25-2006, 09:25 AM

I enjoy the Mirage Video because it has some songs never performed since then or rarely perfomed since that video. It also has no back up orchestra to distract the band.

Matt

ClintonScott

06-26-2006, 06:04 PM

no back up singers on Mirage Video that i can remember...

and i love the Mirage video, Stevie was in her best voice on that tour and album. i wish they would have released the Mirage concert instead of or with titn...

titn = cheesy 80's hair, a bloated Stevie and overproduction.

mylittledemon

05-08-2007, 01:01 PM

JazmenFlowers

05-08-2007, 01:48 PM

The Tower

05-08-2007, 03:46 PM

gawd. I love this in all it's off-key, warble finery...hey hey.

the look...the STEVIE look...jaw.dropping.perfection. and those boobs? sheesh. loves it.
Oh, hell yes!!

1) Ragged, passionate vocals

2) Swirling- entering and exiting the stage during interludes for more effect.

3) Beautiful dark intensity during the verses

4) Quiet darkness during the beginning of the vamp

5) "Dreams unwind- still it's a state of minnndd- yea-ah!!" howl

6) "Take me the like the wind, child- with the sky...." deep and dark

leads into-

7) The pull-back-mic screaming

8) "I don't change and YOU don't change and it's ALLLL the same
Rhiaaaaaannnonnnnnn......."

9) Ending with the Stevie ballerina kick swirling down into an devasted pile

On top of all that- she looks incredible. The hair, the choker, the dress, the chiffon wings, the legwarmers- the FREEEKING boots.

It's great stuff!!

JazmenFlowers

05-08-2007, 03:48 PM

^^^

I think I just [insert dirrty word here] at your description. :shocked:

The Tower

05-08-2007, 03:51 PM

^^^

I think I just [insert dirrty word here] at your description. :shocked:
I'm guessing that the "dirty word" is orgasmed?

:lol: :thumbsup: :]

strandinthewind

05-08-2007, 04:20 PM

I'm guessing that the "dirty word" is orgasmed?

:lol: :thumbsup: :]

I came - so there!

Also, that live version of Gypsy is so mother fukcing gut wrenching for me to hear. My throat hurts at the pain in her voice - my hreat at the expressiveness in the delivery. That last "bight eyes - briiiiight eyes" when she holds herself makes me cry.

What a fukcing woman indeed!

and then, of course, the panty revealing, drunken listing spin seen here

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I am thinking coked up acid trip at about 2:10 - well, that or LB touched her in her bikini area a few seconds earlier~

Also - how HOT is she is in that top hat during GYOW!

Richard B

05-08-2007, 04:32 PM

^^^^^^^^^^^

So agree with you. Mirage is outstanding. I got many a friend hooked on FM after seeing this video.

And I will add that I recently purchased that Brazilian Import of the Mirage Concert on DVD. The video quality is superb, audio, not so good, but decent. I heard so many different takes on this release, but it is pro quality (except for the incorrect cover art/photo).

mylittledemon

05-08-2007, 07:06 PM

gawd. I love this in all it's off-key, warble finery...hey hey.

the look...the STEVIE look...jaw.dropping.perfection. and those boobs? sheesh. loves it.

And who could forget Stevie's "no panties" flash!

jmn3

05-08-2007, 09:46 PM

Oh yes, the Mirage Tour Video is just excellence! It's not perfect and that's what makes it awesome.

The Chain - probably the best live version of this song EVER
Go Your Own Way - see note about The Chain
Sisters of the Moon - amazing...rock on Stevie!

So Gypsy is a little strained on the vocals and Lindsey gets a bit too friendly with the microphone during Not That Funny...this all adds up to this being one hell of a video. I can certainly see how someone could get turned onto the Mac just by seeing it.

GypsySorcerer

05-09-2007, 12:46 PM

Also - how HOT is she is in that top hat during GYOW!

I know! I gaze in amazement during those close-ups. She has never been hotter.

danax6

05-09-2007, 01:11 PM

And who could forget Stevie's "no panties" flash!Let's not forget Lindsey's lack of 'panties' either. :]

Gah, how I love this show. My favourite ever.

The Tower

05-09-2007, 01:24 PM

Let's not forget Lindsey's lack of 'panties' either. :]
His ass is perfection in this video. {drool}

GypsySorcerer

05-09-2007, 04:05 PM

His ass is perfection in this video. {drool}

I never got around to looking at his ass. :lol: :woohoo:

chiliD

05-09-2007, 04:15 PM

Actually, I can't really enjoy the video because I spend the whole time figuring out which of the two shows the scenes are from. (since I was at both shows that they filmed)

The easiest way to tell is that when they glare at each other, it's one night; when they smile it's the other. After 25 years, I can't remember which show was the "happy" show and which one was the "I'm going to kill you as soon as the show's over" show (the first night or second night). But, each show had a diametrically opposite vibe from beginning to end. At least they were consistent throughout each show.

madformac

05-09-2007, 07:28 PM

madformac

05-09-2007, 07:38 PM

OK, here's "The Chain" from the gig the first night (the 20th October). Note the differences.

http://download.yousendit.com/6AAEB5804EAF67C3

:wavey:

jmn3

05-10-2007, 10:33 PM

Hey madformac,

That one you posted is indeed from 10/20/82, but it was not one of the LA shows. That one is from Oakland. I believe the two LA shows at the Forum were on 10/21 and 10/22, which are the two concerts that were spliced together to come up with the Mirage Video.

To the best of my knowledge, I don't think either of those shows have been leaked yet. Not saying they don't exist, but I haven't seen them anywhere or heard of anyone finding them recently.

strandinthewind

05-15-2007, 03:04 PM

Oh, hell yes!!

1) Ragged, passionate vocals

2) Swirling- entering and exiting the stage during interludes for more effect.

3) Beautiful dark intensity during the verses

4) Quiet darkness during the beginning of the vamp

5) "Dreams unwind- still it's a state of minnndd- yea-ah!!" howl

6) "Take me the like the wind, child- with the sky...." deep and dark

leads into-

7) The pull-back-mic screaming

8) "I don't change and YOU don't change and it's ALLLL the same
Rhiaaaaaannnonnnnnn......."

9) Ending with the Stevie ballerina kick swirling down into an devasted pile

On top of all that- she looks incredible. The hair, the choker, the dress, the chiffon wings, the legwarmers- the FREEEKING boots.

It's great stuff!!

For you!

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In many way and to me, this live performance of this song was the last of a great era. Check La Nicks signing to John M. and then that wild dance at the end :eek: Also, she is so fukcing HOT it burns my eyes to see it!

I mean they are way off key and her voice sounds way rough - but give me that performance over a slick one any day!

PenguinHead

05-15-2007, 03:36 PM

I love Mirage because you get the music as is. Christine plays an upright, they do play a lot of non-singles. I hate when a band plays nothing but singles. It's not overproduced, It's not full of back up players. They don't care about getting every note right. Or harmonies for that matter! :lol:

I agree for those reasons completely! I love the Mirage concert. I love it for its rawness...and they had a great set list. And it was the only tour when Love In Store and Hold Me were ever performed.

I saw them on this tour and it was an amazing show. No one felt that something was missing because 10 other musicians weren't there to replicate the sound of a studio recording. Since 1975 they always adapted their heavily layered studio songs for live performance with just four instruments and three voices. It made for surprisingly different renditions...very suitable for a rock and roll arena show...much more raw and honest.

The Mirage concerts marked the end of this era. After Lindsey ditched the band, perhaps they lost some confidence in that more minimal approach on stage. Hired two guitarists, and added vocalists and numerous backup musicians. And alas, that overwrought tradition still continues to this day (although I understand with the exit of Christine, some backup is needed).

When it comes to live performances, I generally prefer the era 1975-1982. Yes, since then the band became more technically proficient in delivering the songs with a slicker more fuller style. But the sound lost some soul.

Given Lindsey's new mindset and minimal approach to Under The Skin, perhaps that will translate over to a new approach with Fleetwood Mac...whenever that happens. I'd love to see him and Stevie do something like he just did with his new solo album. Under The Skirt anyone?

jbrownsjr

05-15-2007, 05:10 PM

I agree for those reasons completely! I love the Mirage concert. I love it for its rawness...and they had a great set list. And it was the only tour when Love In Store and Hold Me were ever performed.

I saw them on this tour and it was an amazing show. No one felt that something was missing because 10 other musicians weren't there to replicate the sound of a studio recording. Since 1975 they always adapted their heavily layered studio songs for live performance with just four instruments and three voices. It made for surprisingly different renditions...very suitable for a rock and roll arena show...much more raw and honest.

The Mirage concerts marked the end of this era. After Lindsey ditched the band, perhaps they lost some confidence in that more minimal approach on stage. Hired two guitarists, and added vocalists and numerous backup musicians. And alas, that overwrought tradition still continues to this day (although I understand with the exit of Christine, some backup is needed).

When it comes to live performances, I generally prefer the era 1975-1982. Yes, since then the band became more technically proficient in delivering the songs with a slicker more fuller style. But the sound lost some soul.

Given Lindsey's new mindset and minimal approach to Under The Skin, perhaps that will translate over to a new approach with Fleetwood Mac...whenever that happens. I'd love to see him and Stevie do something like he just did with his new solo album. Under The Skirt anyone?

I think the problem is... they are too old for that rawrness... voices have less range... they need the back up.... I honestly think part of Christine's departure had to do with the fact that they got pretty boring... or vanilla would be a better word.... You look at that Dance Concert and it's so watered down... and they can't don't really move like they used to... one of the great benifits was LB and Stevie could really move across the stage.... now they just kind of graze...... I think Stevie looks great for her age.. but both of their vocal ranges have become naturally smaller... they have paid their dues... i give them that... but the gig is almost up.... that's just natural science

Villavic

05-15-2007, 06:39 PM

I think the problem is... they are too old for that rawrness... voices have less range... they need the back up.... I honestly think part of Christine's departure had to do with the fact that they got pretty boring... or vanilla would be a better word.... You look at that Dance Concert and it's so watered down... and they can't don't really move like they used to... one of the great benifits was LB and Stevie could really move across the stage.... now they just kind of graze...... I think Stevie looks great for her age.. but both of their vocal ranges have become naturally smaller... they have paid their dues... i give them that... but the gig is almost up.... that's just natural science

I agree partially. Yes, vocal ranges are smaller. Some have been hear bad at some shows, we have heard dissapointing performances of Silver Springs, Farmer's Daughter, GYOW, etc.. and some songs are always bad comparing with what we used to hear in the 70s and early 80s.

But about they don't moving like they used to, yes it's a undeniable reality, but that doesn't make the show boring. Is it boring because Stevie doesn't scream or move in Rhiannon like in 1977?? I don't think so. I still think their shows are good.

The day that we see a really really bad show, that day (with lot of sadness) we will tell them.. Ok guys, it's time for you to go home and rest.. But I think they can play on few more times...

jmn3

05-15-2007, 10:31 PM

PenguinHead

05-16-2007, 01:23 AM

A lot of the things people complain about are crazy. Say what you want, but the 70's and 80's shows weren't always as wonderful and great as some people would have you believe. The Mac of '97 and '03-'04 may not be able to vocally and physically do what they could thirty years ago, but that is not to say the shows back then were always showing the band in tip-top shape.

And I can't imagine 57 yr old Stevie trying to put on a 1975-77 performance of Rhiannon today. It would be highly embarrassing and it would sound and look horrible. The shows are still good and these guys can still put out one hell of a product (album, concert, etc) if they want to.

I agree. Their shows, especially in the 1970s, were not always consistent. While I prefer the shows from that period, that in no way implies that I don't like the Fleetwood Mac of today. Nor would I expect any of them to be frozen in time and appear or sound like they did 20 something years ago.

Like with many other older bands, I guess it's just common nature for the volume of band members to expand (in concert that is)....along with their waist bands.