Say the Meantime

[aleuzzi]

People may have already tried this before, but I was wondering if any fans of the Rumors line-up out there had compiled a what-if Mac record, where six of Christine's ITM songs replaced six songs on Say You Will and, oila, a classic would be born...

As much as I like SYW the way it is, and as much as I'm a HUGE ITM fan, it might be a fun game to play. The idea came to me from watching a recent exchange on a link in the Christine Forum...

Here's a shot:

Friend
Illume
Peacemaker
You Are
Red Rover
Bad Journey
Throw Down
Anything is Possible
Murrow Turning Over in His Grave
Steal Your Heart Away
Say You Will
Silver Girl
Forgiveness
Miranda
Destiny Rules
Bleed to Love Her
Everybody Finds Out
Givin' it Back

[carrie721]

check out this thread:

http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?t=25913&highlight=meantime

i haven't made a list since i don't have in the meantime, but others have.

[HomerMcvie]

This must be what deja vu feels like!:lol: :sorry:

[JazmenFlowers]

you must add Goodbye Baby

[jbrownsjr]

you know oddly enough.. syw seems so scattered to me... but adding christine's songs here give it more of a concept and cohesivness.... "isn't that weird?"..

seriously i love the running order but i can't stand the song "say you will" or "silver girl" so take those out add so sincere and calumy and you have a deal... We'll call the album "Deja Vu"

i think with all three harmonies these songs would do much better as well... then add a better production than Dan Perfect and Christine... no offense but at times... i can tell this is pro tools in the barn... but her songwriting is still the best... it's the arranging that needs help

[HomerMcvie]

i think with all three harmonies these songs would do much better as well... then add a better production than Dan Perfect and Christine... no offense but at times... i can tell this is pro tools in the barn... but her songwriting is still the best... it's the arranging that needs help
You b*tch!
:confused: :nod: :eek:
Lindsey's lost his production ear, so who ya gonna call?

[macfan 57]

Lindsey's lost his production ear, so who ya gonna call?

How about Patrick Leonard, the guy who produced "Love Shines" & "Heart Of Stone" on the Chain box set? He knew exactly what to do with both of those songs, in my opinion.

[macfan 57]

People may have already tried this before, but I was wondering if any fans of the Rumors line-up out there had compiled a what-if Mac record, where six of Christine's ITM songs replaced six songs on Say You Will and, oila, a classic would be born...

As much as I like SYW the way it is, and as much as I'm a HUGE ITM fan, it might be a fun game to play. The idea came to me from watching a recent exchange on a link in the Christine Forum...

Here's a shot:

Friend
Illume
Peacemaker
You Are
Red Rover
Bad Journey
Throw Down
Anything is Possible
Murrow Turning Over in His Grave
Steal Your Heart Away
Say You Will
Silver Girl
Forgiveness
Miranda
Destiny Rules
Bleed to Love Her
Everybody Finds Out
Givin' it Back

You've got to somehow find a place for "Calumny" (my favorite ITM song).:)

[HomerMcvie]

How about Patrick Leonard, the guy who produced "Love Shines" & "Heart Of Stone" on the Chain box set? He knew exactly what to do with both of those songs, in my opinion.
Loves Shines is FANTASTIC! One of my top ten favorite songs.

[David]

but her songwriting is still the best... it's the arranging that needs helpUnfocused, loose arrangements were also the problem of the 1984 solo album. A pop-song track as simple & straightforward as a typical Christine McVie song should adhere to the linear progression of a story: rising action, climax, denoument. Or the traditional progression of musical form: exposition, development, recapitulation. Or something along those lines. The tracks on Rumours have this. They need this. A Christine McVie song always benefits from such formulation. You can play me any ten-second snippet from "You Make Loving Fun" or "Don't Stop" or "Say You Love Me" & I can tell you where it goes in the track. But try that with "I'm the One" or "Love Will Show Us How." The lump of clay must be molded & remolded & then looked at in a particular light & then molded again! If you're going to just jam freely on a pop album, you'd better express some highly interesting & unusual textures & approaches, otherwise you risk reminding the listener of the band he heard at the bar last week.

For all the empty dismissing of Buckingham among the fashionably iconoclastic, he had the ability to sit down & arrange a track so that it had progression & movement. The good of such formulation is that the human ear, by all evidence, seems to find joy in this.

[carrie721]

Unfocused, loose arrangements were also the problem of the 1984 solo album. A pop-song track as simple & straightforward as a typical Christine McVie song should adhere to the linear progression of a story: rising action, climax, denoument. Or the traditional progression of musical form: exposition, development, recapitulation. Or something along those lines. The tracks on Rumours have this. They need this. A Christine McVie song always benefits from such formulation. You can play me any ten-second snippet from "You Make Loving Fun" or "Don't Stop" or "Say You Love Me" & I can tell you where it goes in the track. But try that with "I'm the One" or "Love Will Show Us How." The lump of clay must be molded & remolded & then looked at in a particular light & then molded again! If you're going to just jam freely on a pop album, you'd better express some highly interesting & unusual textures & approaches, otherwise you risk reminding the listener of the band he heard at the bar last week.

For all the empty dismissing of Buckingham among the fashionably iconoclastic, he had the ability to sit down & arrange a track so that it had progression & movement. The good of such formulation is that the human ear, by all evidence, seems to find joy in this.

david, you write about music the way matt ridley writes about biology - with eloquence and fervor.

[aleuzzi]

You've got to somehow find a place for "Calumny" (my favorite ITM song).:)

I agree with you. It might be her best vocal ever. However, if she worked with FM it woouldn't have surfac ed at all. Truth be told, I'd take 8-10 tracks from ITM and eliminate more from SYW to make the accomodation. :rolleyes:

I was just trying to be "fair..." But who has to be fair in a fantasy, right?

[aleuzzi]

check out this thread:

http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?t=25913&highlight=meantime

i haven't made a list since i don't have in the meantime, but others have.

Where the hell was I for that first, great thread? Lot of interesting conversation there. It's typical of me to be four months behind.

BTW: GET In the Meantime! It's worth it.

[Gailh]

I've done my own album In the Meantime Say you Will (original yes) and I was able to be more flexible with Chris's songs because I like more of them than the songs from SYW.

Some songs sound great together - Peacekeeper followed by Calumny, Friend followed by Thrown Down.

I ended up with 14 songs (5 Lindsey, 5 Chris and 4 Stevie) 56 minutes. Suits me.

Gail

[macfan 57]

I agree with you. It might be her best vocal ever. However, if she worked with FM it wouldn't have surfaced at all. Truth be told, I'd take 8-10 tracks from ITM and eliminate more from SYW to make the accomodation. :rolleyes:

I think "Calumny" IS her best vocal ever. It gives me chills whenever I listen to it, even now...2 years after I first heard it. And, I'm sure "Northern Star" wouldn't have seen the light of day either had she recorded with Fleetwood Mac.

I was just trying to be "fair..." But who has to be fair in a fantasy, right?

I don't want to be fair.:) After all, Chris had the most songs on the White Fleetwood Mac album & Rumours & they were pretty decent records.;) :D

[jbrownsjr]

You b*tch!
:confused: :nod: :eek:
Lindsey's lost his production ear, so who ya gonna call?

Guy Sigsworth

[HomerMcvie]

Guy Sigsworth
Yo Mama!
Who?:lol: :lol: :lol:

[chiliD]

Unfocused, loose arrangements were also the problem of the 1984 solo album. A pop-song track as simple & straightforward as a typical Christine McVie song should adhere to the linear progression of a story: rising action, climax, denoument. Or the traditional progression of musical form: exposition, development, recapitulation.

So, let me translate for the "common folk". What you mean is:

verse
verse
chorus
bridge
solo
verse
chorus
fade on 2nd chorus

:lol:

[HomerMcvie]

So, let me translate for the "common folk". What you mean is:

verse
verse
chorus
bridge
solo
verse
chorus
fade on 2nd chorus

:lol:
If it ain't broke........
:lol: :wavey:

[chiliD]

Oops, I messed up: (should've been)

Verse
Chorus
Verse
Chorus
Bridge
Solo
Verse
Chorus (repeat to fade)

[TheWILDheart]

Friend
Illume
Peacemaker
You Are
Red Rover
Bad Journey
Throw Down
Anything is Possible
Murrow Turning Over in His Grave
Steal Your Heart Away
Say You Will
Silver Girl
Forgiveness
Miranda
Destiny Rules
Bleed to Love Her
Everybody Finds Out
Givin' it Back


How can you have Say You Will without 'Running Through The Garden' on it? Thats my favourite from SYW. And why did you put Silver Girl on there? Swap Murrow with WTWCT and swap Silver Girl with RTTG and you've got a hit album. lol.

[Gailh]

People may have already tried this before, but I was wondering if any fans of the Rumors line-up out there had compiled a what-if Mac record, where six of Christine's ITM songs replaced six songs on Say You Will and, oila, a classic would be born...

As much as I like SYW the way it is, and as much as I'm a HUGE ITM fan, it might be a fun game to play. The idea came to me from watching a recent exchange on a link in the Christine Forum...

Here's a shot:

Friend
Illume
Peacemaker
You Are
Red Rover
Bad Journey
Throw Down
Anything is Possible
Murrow Turning Over in His Grave
Steal Your Heart Away
Say You Will
Silver Girl
Forgiveness
Miranda
Destiny Rules
Bleed to Love Her
Everybody Finds Out
Givin' it Back

that's pretty good! Starts and finishes with Ms McVie - quite right.

Gail

[chiliD]

How can you have Say You Will without 'Running Through The Garden' on it? Thats my favourite from SYW. And why did you put Silver Girl on there? Swap Murrow with WTWCT and swap Silver Girl with RTTG and you've got a hit album. lol.

No, no, no, no...and...no. RTTG is tripe, it's bad, it sucks, it's the 2nd worst song Fleetwood Mac has ever recorded ("The Second Time" ranks #1 in that). Not even a semi-decent Lindsey Buckingham guitar solo can save it.

[Johnny Stew]

Why do you feel it's tripe, Steve?
Lyrically, it's a compelling allegory (owing its origins to Nathaniel Hawthorne, of course) for someone immersed in a toxic lifestyle. Vocally, I think it's one of Stevie's best on the album.

Also... what makes it worse than "The Derelict" or, say, Jeremy's 27th Elmore James impression? ;)

[TheWILDheart]

No, no, no, no...and...no. RTTG is tripe, it's bad, it sucks, it's the 2nd worst song Fleetwood Mac has ever recorded ("The Second Time" ranks #1 in that). Not even a semi-decent Lindsey Buckingham guitar solo can save it.

How CAN you say that!? I am in shock! I LOVE, i ADORE both RTTG and The Second Time. You have obviously hit your head on something. Yes, Stevie's vocals are not her best on RTTG but that doesn't make it anyless of a FAN-****IN-TASTIC song! The Second Time was a great ending to Behind the Mask which is one of my personal fav's. I don't understand how anyone can not like RTTG!? I am shocked...

p.s. Lindsey's guitar solo ROCKS!

[chiliD]

You have obviously hit your head on something.


Exactly how I feel about YOUR piss-poor taste in music, too, pal.:mad:

[HomerMcvie]

Exactly how I feel about YOUR piss-poor taste in music, too, pal.:mad:
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[carrie721]

How CAN you say that!? I am in shock! I LOVE, i ADORE both RTTG and The Second Time. You have obviously hit your head on something. Yes, Stevie's vocals are not her best on RTTG but that doesn't make it anyless of a FAN-****IN-TASTIC song! The Second Time was a great ending to Behind the Mask which is one of my personal fav's. I don't understand how anyone can not like RTTG!? I am shocked...

p.s. Lindsey's guitar solo ROCKS!

Dude, Chili's allowed to not like RTTG. Chill.

And "Murrow" is integral to SYW. It's one of my favorite Lindsey songs, ever. Far superior to "What's The World Coming To."

[TheWILDheart]

Exactly how I feel about YOUR piss-poor taste in music, too, pal.:mad:

:laugh: I really don't think you are in any position to say that - we're both on a Fleetwood Mac board unless you've forgotton. You've just slagged off your own mucis taste.

[carrie721]

:laugh: I really don't think you are in any position to say that - we're both on a Fleetwood Mac board unless you've forgotton. You've just slagged off your own mucis taste.

In case you haven't noticed, FM covers a wide range of musical styles & tastes.

[TheWILDheart]

In case you haven't noticed, FM covers a wide range of musical styles & tastes.


true. Thats why I love them.

[carrie721]

true. Thats why I love them.

Right. So by that logic, you and Chili can have different tastes in music and still like the same band. :]