World Cup

[Gailh]

Anyone been watching?

England are stumbling along but played two won two so not bad but could do (a lot) better.

Argentina look good.

Brazil were not too impressive and Ronaldo didn't seem interested.

I bet John's watching

Gail

[cliffdweller]

Anyone been watching?

England are stumbling along but played two won two so not bad but could do (a lot) better.

Argentina look good.

Brazil were not too impressive and Ronaldo didn't seem interested.

I bet John's watching

Gail


How's Germany doing?

[bretonbanquet]

How's Germany doing?

Germany are through to the 2nd round after beating Costa Rica 4-2 and scraping a win over Poland 1-0. Both those two teams now have no chance of progressing. If Germany can't beat Ecuador in their next game, the Germans will probably play England in the 2nd round... cue cheap jibes about the war and disgusting jingoism in the British press :mad:

England will be lucky to get past the 2nd round if they carry on playing like they have up to now. I alays support Spain, and they won their first game 4-0, so I'm really happy about that :woohoo:

[cliffdweller]

Germany are through to the 2nd round after beating Costa Rica 4-2 and scraping a win over Poland 1-0.

Cool. I'm pulling for 'em for a friend of mine who is German (surprise, surprise) and is back home right now to see Germany win the whole thing [according to him :p] .

Another team I'm interested in is Sweden...how are they doing? I hear they're really strong this year, and thanks for the info by the way....

[bretonbanquet]

Cool. I'm pulling for 'em for a friend of mine who is German (surprise, surprise) and is back home right now to see Germany win the whole thing [according to him :p] .

Another team I'm interested in is Sweden...how are they doing? I hear they're really strong this year, and thanks for the info by the way....

Sweden are playing right now! They're 0-0 with Paraguay so far but there's an hour to play yet. They drew their first game 0-0 with Trinidad & Tobago, so the Swedes received a lot of criticism for that - T&T are one of the least-fancied teams in the tournament. It's going to be tight for Sweden but if they can win this game tonight they have a great chance of progressing :)

[cliffdweller]

Sweden are playing right now! They're 0-0 with Paraguay so far but there's an hour to play yet. They drew their first game 0-0 with Trinidad & Tobago, so the Swedes received a lot of criticism for that - T&T are one of the least-fancied teams in the tournament. It's going to be tight for Sweden but if they can win this game tonight they have a great chance of progressing :)


I'd love to see a Germany/Sweden face off, but it sounds like the Germans would trounce the Swedes. I have another special place in my heart for the Swedes for various reasons :xoxo:

Woo-hoo!! You're making all this sound very interesting. I'm going to have to catch some coverage tonight. And good luck to England too!! I don't know much about soccer, does England usually have one of the best teams? And be honest! No bias! :laugh:

[bretonbanquet]

I'd love to see a Germany/Sweden face off, but it sounds like the Germans would trounce the Swedes. I have another special place in my heart for the Swedes for various reasons :xoxo:

Woo-hoo!! You're making all this sound very interesting. I'm going to have to catch some coverage tonight. And good luck to England too!! I don't know much about soccer, does England usually have one of the best teams? And be honest! No bias! :laugh:

:laugh: No bias, honest. England usually have a good team, and are always well-respected by the other big names. This time round, people here have been saying it's the best English team for decades and that they have a real chance of winning - but so far they've looked really unconvincing in beating two unfancied teams. They'll have to turn it up to win the tournament! One of the biggest stories was that our star player, Wayne Rooney, broke his foot 6 weeks ago - now it's miraculously healed and he's playing again... hmmm...

I might add that the USA got a serious beating in the opening game against the Czechs (3-0) and they look like they're going to be on a plane home anytime soon :wavey: Shame 'cos they did really well last time.

The usual favourites Brazil, Argentina, Italy, France etc also look good, and World Cup Fever has seriously taken hold out here in the rest of the world!!

[bretonbanquet]

I've also got to say that there's a bit of a tendency here to make fun of how little Americans know about soccer - even Budweiser have a series of ads with American sports anchormen making idiots of themselves when they talk about the World Cup.

I also saw a clip of American people being interviewed in the street about what they thought of Maradona (Argentine soccer legend - one of the most famous players in history) and of course they all said stuff like "Oh yeah, I've got all her albums" and "I think she's a slut" etc - hilarious :lol:

[cliffdweller]

:laugh: No bias, honest. England usually have a good team, and are always well-respected by the other big names. This time round, people here have been saying it's the best English team for decades and that they have a real chance of winning - but so far they've looked really unconvincing in beating two unfancied teams. They'll have to turn it up to win the tournament! One of the biggest stories was that our star player, Wayne Rooney, broke his foot 6 weeks ago - now it's miraculously healed and he's playing again... hmmm...

I might add that the USA got a serious beating in the opening game against the Czechs (3-0) and they look like they're going to be on a plane home anytime soon :wavey: Shame 'cos they did really well last time.

The usual favourites Brazil, Argentina, Italy, France etc also look good, and World Cup Fever has seriously taken hold out here in the rest of the world!!


Oh yeah, I know! But you know as far as cities in Texas go, we have some pretty big soccer fans here in Austin. I think it's due to the large population of international students we have here (BIG college town). Yeah, it's a shame about the Americans but hey, we can't be the best in everything now can we? :p All kidding aside, I wouldn't expect the Americans to have that great of a team anyway. I mean, soccer isn't really all that encouraged or supported over here like basketball, football, or baseball is :shrug:.


edit: and btw, I'm a tennis player so I totally know the "no-love" for other sports (but the 3 mentioned above) crap.

[bretonbanquet]

Yeah, you guys definitely have your own sports - I mean, baseball and American football are just so minor over here, and basketball isn't much more popular - yet soccer is the total opposite. Apparently in areas where there's a very high Hispanic population, soccer is more popular, but apart from that it's only played by kids, is that right?

NASCAR is another one - huge in the States, especially in the south, but over here we just laugh at it :o

[Gailh]

They'll have to turn it up to win the tournament! One of the biggest stories was that our star player, Wayne Rooney, broke his foot 6 weeks ago - now it's miraculously healed and he's playing again... hmmm...



We don't look awfully convincing do we? Still early days yet.

Wasn't there a website created "healrooney.com"

We do seem to get a bit carried away in England at major football tournements. And then it all ends in tears!

Anyway I got my flag on the car now so all will be well!

"Three lions on a shirt, Jules Rimmet still gleaming, forty years of hurt never stopped me dreaming"

Gail

[bretonbanquet]

We don't look awfully convincing do we? Still early days yet.

Wasn't there a website created "healrooney.com"

We do seem to get a bit carried away in England at major football tournements. And then it all ends in tears!

Anyway I got my flag on the car now so all will be well!

"Three lions on a shirt, Jules Rimmet still gleaming, forty years of hurt never stopped me dreaming"

Gail


:laugh: It does usually all end in tears, doesn't it? Ah well, it wouldn't be right somehow if we won it...

I was in Southampton only today, in the lovely Marlands shopping centre... I really know how to live :laugh:

[cliffdweller]

Yeah, you guys definitely have your own sports - I mean, baseball and American football are just so minor over here, and basketball isn't much more popular - yet soccer is the total opposite. Apparently in areas where there's a very high Hispanic population, soccer is more popular, but apart from that it's only played by kids, is that right?

NASCAR is another one - huge in the States, especially in the south, but over here we just laugh at it :o

Yeah, little kids play soccer but as far as pro-soccer is concerned, meh, people in the States couldn't really give a rat's ass. Well, at least down south they don't, I can't speak for those yankees up north and to the east :p .

NASCAR--I don't get it. But you are correct, it's very popular down here. I think it's kinda stupid. I mean, really, cars that go around and around on a track? Who cares? :laugh:

[bretonbanquet]

NASCAR--I don't get it. But you are correct, it's very popular down here. I think it's kinda stupid. I mean, really, cars that go around and around on a track? Who cares? :laugh:

And your tracks don't even have proper corners on them - it's all drive fast and turn left, until some guy drives into you at 200mph - madness, but maybe that's what those crazy southern boys like to see!! :blob2:

[cliffdweller]

And your tracks don't even have proper corners on them - it's all drive fast and turn left, until some guy drives into you at 200mph - madness, but maybe that's what those crazy southern boys like to see!! :blob2:


Probably...the more insane and f*cked up, the better I guess :rolleyes:

I think that NASCAR business of going around a track over and over again is all rather repetitive but to each their own :shrug:

Oh, and I forgot to add..."proper corners" = cute! I need to brush up on my British English.

I work with a very dear friend of mine who is from London. She was schooling me on all the bad words in British English yesterday. We were laughing so hard we were crying. For instance, "gobble?" WTF?!!?!

[bretonbanquet]

Sweden have finally scored against Paraguay - it took them 88 minutes, but it looks like that will send them through to the 2nd round. Poor old Paraguay can't make it through now, so unless Sweden lose to England AND Trinidad beat Paraguay (not very likely), Sweden will progress :)

[cliffdweller]

Sweden have finally scored against Paraguay - it took them 88 minutes, but it looks like that will send them through to the 2nd round. Poor old Paraguay can't make it through now, so unless Sweden lose to England AND Trinidad beat Paraguay (not very likely), Sweden will progress :)


Yay Sweden! :blob2: :blob1:

I'm overjoyed. I hope they do well.

Now did you read my "gobble" post? :laugh:

[bretonbanquet]

Probably...the more insane and f*cked up, the better I guess :rolleyes:

I think that NASCAR business of going around a track over and over again is all rather repetitive but to each their own :shrug:

Oh, and I forgot to add..."proper corners" = cute! I need to brush up on my British English.

I work with a very dear friend of mine who is from London. She was schooling me on all the bad words in British English yesterday. We were laughing so hard we were crying. For instance, "gobble?" WTF?!!?!

:lol: 'Gobble' is a great word. You guys don't use it? You're seriously missing out :woohoo: Careful how you use it though... :rolleyes:

[cliffdweller]

:lol: 'Gobble' is a great word. You guys don't use it? You're seriously missing out :woohoo: Careful how you use it though... :rolleyes:


:laugh: exactly. Uh, no we don't use that word. We have another phrase for that one, actually, we have many phrases for that. Oh, and I didn't know that "wanker" was actually a bad thing to call someone. I thought it was just kind of a cute little phrase that meant idiot or something. Apparently it's worse than that, but noone can give me a translation and oh, how I do love that word.

[Gailh]

:laugh: exactly. Uh, no we don't use that word. We have another phrase for that one, actually, we have many phrases for that. Oh, and I didn't know that "wanker" was actually a bad thing to call someone. I thought it was just kind of a cute little phrase that meant idiot or something. Apparently it's worse than that, but noone can give me a translation and oh, how I do love that word.

A w*nker is literally someone who erm well how can I put this? Masturbates (there I said it)

It's taken to mean an idiot but it's not a word generally used in polite society.

Gail

[Gailh]

:laugh: It does usually all end in tears, doesn't it? Ah well, it wouldn't be right somehow if we won it...

I was in Southampton only today, in the lovely Marlands shopping centre... I really know how to live :laugh:

Marlands? You should have gone in West Quay!

Gail

[bretonbanquet]

:laugh: exactly. Uh, no we don't use that word. We have another phrase for that one, actually, we have many phrases for that. Oh, and I didn't know that "wanker" was actually a bad thing to call someone. I thought it was just kind of a cute little phrase that meant idiot or something. Apparently it's worse than that, but noone can give me a translation and oh, how I do love that word.

Wanker is a great word - very well-used among angry motorists when being cut up or attacked by psychotic cyclists or something. Like 'idiot' but much stronger, and definitely not for polite company!! :rolleyes:

Translating it is a toughie if I want to stay polite... wanking is a euphemism for keeping oneself sexually satisfied in the absence of a suitable partner :nod: So wanker is not a nice thing to be called.

I'll never forget that Wanker was Peggy Bundy's maiden name in "Married With Children" - I recall being thoroughly shocked when I heard that :lol:

[Emmeline]

Yay Sweden! :blob2: :blob1:

I'm overjoyed. I hope they do well.

Amen to that!! :blob1: :thumbsup: I was on the edge of my seat the whole game through, we were so close to scoring many times before that goal finally came. Ljungberg is now officially known as the saviour over here :nod:

[bretonbanquet]

Marlands? You should have gone in West Quay!

Gail

I felt like roughing it :laugh: No, I had to visit there on business so I had no choice. I went to uni in Southampton so I have uh... memories of the place :) Some of them good.

[Gailh]

Yeah, little kids play soccer but as far as pro-soccer is concerned, meh, people in the States couldn't really give a rat's ass. Well, at least down south they don't, I can't speak for those yankees up north and to the east :p .
:

I dont know why the USA got to the quarter finals last year and Claudio Reyna was included in the team of the tournement.

Could it be that in the US you don't really care for sports you can't totally dominate?

Whereas we Brits love sports we never win at. Last British mens singles champion at Wimbledon? Fred Perry :laugh: :laugh:

Gail

[cliffdweller]

Could it be that in the US you don't really care for sports you can't totally dominate?

Um, yeah. What part of that don't you understand? :p :laugh: No, really, I've never given it much thought, but maybe you're on to something there. I mean, it is one of the only sports that the whole world shares, you'd think we could get into it, but you know, Americans are known for their rogue alienation from the rest of the world :rolleyes:

Whereas we Brits love sports we never win at. Last British mens singles champion at Wimbledon? Fred Perry :laugh: :laugh:

:laugh: :laugh: Love the Brits.

[macfan 57]

Could it be that in the US you don't really care for sports you can't totally dominate?


Yes, I think you're right. I'm not a soccer fan at all(I love American football), but I did watch that women's soccer thing a few years ago when the Americans won. If the U.S. was good enough to win the World Cup, I think more Americans would care. We like winners.:D


Whereas we Brits love sports we never win at. Last British mens singles champion at Wimbledon? Fred Perry :laugh: :laugh:


Virginia Wade did win nearly 30 years ago though.

[irishgrl]

isnt the US women's team better than the men's? or was that oh...years and years ago?

and what is the current standings? anyone?

[DavidMn]

NOTE: I'm sorry I didnt see this before I started my thread. I'll have a moderator delete mine as soon as possible.:sorry: Now onto more important things. Argentina kisked ass, The U.S is finished it appears, and my home country and host Germany won their first game!!:cool:

[DavidMn]

I really believe the U.S performance in I think it was '98? where they did well was a fluke.

[Serrart]

Yes, I think you're right. I'm not a soccer fan at all(I love American football), but I did watch that women's soccer thing a few years ago when the Americans won. If the U.S. was good enough to win the World Cup, I think more Americans would care. We like winners.:D

Well, I hope you won't turn out winners tomorrow since you'll meet us (Italy :D )

Romy

[GiniLeaE]

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[bretonbanquet]

The US aren't out just yet, but it doesn't look good for them with Italy coming up soon.

Today Argentina whipped Serbia 6-0 - they were seriously impressive, and will take some beating. The Netherlands squeezed past the mighty Ivory Coast 2-1, which means the Africans can't progress any further, and the Dutch are through to the next round.

Mexico tied with Angola, so Mexico will need to do well against Portugal in order to progress.

[littlewolf]

a draw with portugal will do for mexico
iran would need atleast 3 goal win over angola to drop mexico if portugal wins iran today and angola´s defense seems okay.
iran might even win portugal and then everybody still has a chance
i haven´t seen either of argentina´s games,they seem excellent
tomorrow japan-croatia,both have good offense,crap defense
by the way when world cup was played in us in 94 the stadiums were full,so there are people who watch it,who knows,maybe they are the silent majority?

[tuigirl]

wer'e watching here and following both Japan (oops...Australia did them in in the end!) and England (grrr..they leave things to the last minute..AGAIN!!!) so wer'e crossing fingers and toes for tomorrows (Jap-Cro) match......don't suspect either will win the tourny though.:shrug:

[madformac]

"wanker" is an affectionate term of abuse. I feel it goes better as "f**king wanker" when directed at motorists.

"tosser" is another alternative to wanker with the same meaning.

I always find arsehole rather more colourful than asshole too. Guess thats an English thing. :shrug:

"gobble" ah yes. Meaning to eat quickly with rapid intakes.. Turkeys and chickens "gobble".

As for sports I think American sports are generally adapted from more established sports but changed because the average American attention span is shorter than the rest of the world.

It's why fast food was invented, no time to waste and "I want it now" mentality.

Baseball is basically cricket morphed into something that doesn't last five days and doesn't send you to sleep, the players still wear pyjamas though. Basketball is just a manly version of Netball IMO. Maybe the guys should wear short frilly skirts like the girls...

American Football is a sort of merger of Rugby and Football but more violent and glamourous than either although why its called football is beyond me.

Football got turned into "Soccer". I think until recently its really been a school sport mostly although its now taken more seriously considering every other nation in the world views it as the biggest sport on the planet.

Golf seems to work. That's a worldwide sport that has been embraced. My theory here is Americans have always been good at this so they decided to keep it as a national sport and so we have the PGA.

And tennis too. That worked for similar reasons.

Indycar is all glamour and no content. Boring until you get a crash.

The skill level is not exactly great. Mansell, Fitipaldi, Zanardi, Franchitti, Wheldon etc have all proven you can go over and win easily. Only Mario Andretti and Jacques Villeneuve went the other way and succeeded (Jacques raced in Europe and Japan for years anyway). As for Nascar...

Put your foot down and then turn left at the end of the straight. Then do the same again, four times a lap for 200 laps. yawn...

[DavidMn]

Well, I hope you won't turn out winners tomorrow since you'll meet us (Italy :D )

RomyDont worry hunny, The U.S will get it's ass kicked all over the field against Italy.:nod:

[DavidMn]

I'm just excited because Germany is 2-0 so far. I think theyre laying in the weeds for now. God, would all my relatives in Munich go NUTS if they won! For that matter, so would most of them over here.:laugh:

[bretonbanquet]

Portugal have got past Iran 2-0, so Portugal progress and Iran can't go any further. A tie for Mexico against Portugal will see them through, even if Angola beat Iran.

The Czech Republic amazingly lost 2-0 to Ghana, so the Czechs will now probably have to beat Italy to get through. Assuming that Italy beat the US and Ghana do the same, the Czechs will have to actually beat Italy or they're going home. Big surprise, that. Of course, the USA could still create an upset by not losing their last two games :)

[Gailh]

Baseball is basically cricket morphed into something that doesn't last five days and doesn't send you to sleep

American Football is a sort of merger of Rugby and Football but more violent and glamourous than either although why its called football is beyond me.


Baseball is more like rounders and I also have no idea why American Football is called football.

Anyone who is really good calls football - football. You'll never be any good while you call it soccer.

Gail

Football's comin' home, it's comin' home, it's comin'. Football's comin' home!

[bretonbanquet]

Italy 1 - 1 United States

A great effort by the States in a really chaotic game. Italy scored first, then put through their own net to make it 1-1. Then Italy lost a man when De Rossi was sent off for elbowing McBride in the face. Shortly afterwards the US lost a man as well when Mastroeni was sent off for fouling. Just after half-time, the US went down to 9 men when Pope was sent off, again for fouling. Three men sent off in a World Cup match is very rare indeed. Italy threw everything at the US but couldn't score - real do-or-die stuff! :blob2:

So the States still have a chance to make the next round if they beat Ghana.

[irishgrl]

Italy 1 - 1 United States

A great effort by the States in a really chaotic game. Italy scored first, then put through their own net to make it 1-1. Then Italy lost a man when De Rossi was sent off for elbowing McBride in the face. Shortly afterwards the US lost a man as well when Mastroeni was sent off for fouling. Just after half-time, the US went down to 9 men when Pope was sent off, again for fouling. Three men sent off in a World Cup match is very rare indeed. Italy threw everything at the US but couldn't score - real do-or-die stuff! :blob2:

So the States still have a chance to make the next round if they beat Ghana.

Thanks for the update :wavey:

[tuigirl]

Italy 1 - 1 United States

blob2:

So the States still have a chance to make the next round if they beat Ghana.

What a crazy game! bit more entertaining than most though!! Well done to the US for hanging on to the end, the way they did.Those Italians have been practising their dives I see.....as for that ref..every second.....where's Mr Collina when you need him?:lol:
Allez Japan....

[Gailh]

Italy 1 - 1 United States

A great effort by the States in a really chaotic game. Italy scored first, then put through their own net to make it 1-1. Then Italy lost a man when De Rossi was sent off for elbowing McBride in the face. Shortly afterwards the US lost a man as well when Mastroeni was sent off for fouling. Just after half-time, the US went down to 9 men when Pope was sent off, again for fouling. Three men sent off in a World Cup match is very rare indeed. Italy threw everything at the US but couldn't score - real do-or-die stuff! :blob2:

So the States still have a chance to make the next round if they beat Ghana.

Well played USA!

I thought the first US sending off was harsh. But they palyed with real courage even though they were dead on their feet.

Gail

[tynan88]

I dont know why the USA got to the quarter finals last year and Claudio Reyna was included in the team of the tournement.

Could it be that in the US you don't really care for sports you can't totally dominate?

Whereas we Brits love sports we never win at. Last British mens singles champion at Wimbledon? Fred Perry :laugh: :laugh:

Gail

The American's don't really dominate at any global sport do they? :shrug: I get the impression they generally make up their own to be good at, like the Baseball "World Series" :lol: I mean they can't do Football, Rugby, Cricket or Swimming, what is left? :p

As far as World Cup goes we (Australia) play Brazil in a few hours time at 2am our time, so three quarters of the country are going to be up anyway! We are at the top of our pool though because we are earlier in the alphabet than Brazil and on the same points at the moment after Brazil defeated Croatia and Australia, Japan.

[bretonbanquet]

Japan 0-0 Croatia
Brazil 2-0 Australia
France 1-1 South Korea

Great effort from Australia - they deserved more. France threw it away! Brazil progress, and all these other countries still have a chance to accompany them.

[Serrart]

Well played USA!

I thought the first US sending off was harsh. But they palyed with real courage even though they were dead on their feet.

Gail

I agree, they played well and we played really really badly :mad: . Moreover De Rossi with that violent fault, behaved like an idiot. Here they're put on trial right now by the media. Unfortunately they're a bunch of spoiled and rich brats, but there are also a lot of talents among them, hopefully the will start to show some more maturity.

Romy

[irishgrl]

so where does the US stand in this competition? I confess, I havent been watching the coverage....

[cliffdweller]

As for sports I think American sports are generally adapted from more established sports but changed because the average American attention span is shorter than the rest of the world.

Yeah, and the reason we always "want it now" is because we work 80 hour weeks with only two weeks of vacation a year...given this sitch, you'd want it now too :laugh: :laugh:

Our lives move too quickly, information and media are thrown at us at every turn in rapid-fire succession, hence, the short attention span. Really, I blame MTV :laugh:.

[shackin'up]

Nobody talks about the dutch. We survived the most heavy group of the tournament in just two games...OK, with a little luck against the outstanding team of Ivory Coast....

but.......you ain't seen nothin' yet!

[DavidMn]

Germany!!!On deutchland!:cool:

[skcin]

so where does the US stand in this competition? I confess, I havent been watching the coverage....


Oh, we suck. :laugh: I don't think we're totally out yet, but it would take a miracle to proceed to the next round.

[DavidMn]

Oh, we suck. :laugh: I don't think we're totally out yet, but it would take a miracle to proceed to the next round.If I read it right today, they have to win and have Italy and someone else lose.

[bretonbanquet]

If I read it right today, they have to win and have Italy and someone else lose.

After 2 games each, Group E stands like this: (You need to finish in the top 2 to progress)

Wins-Ties-Losses/Goals For-Goals Against/Points
Italy --------- 1-1-0/3-1/4
Czech --------1-0-1/3-2/3
Ghana --------1-0-1/2-2/3
USA ----------0-1-1/1-4/1

So it doesn't look good for the States. They need to beat Ghana in their last game and hope that Italy beat the Czechs. Italy will be trying hard because if they lose to the Czechs and Ghana beat the States, Italy will be out.

Today:
Switzerland 2-0 Togo
Saudi Arabia 0-4 Ukraine
Spain 3-1 Tunisia

Spain are through to the next phase, and it's all over for Togo. The rest must wait till their last games to find out what happens.

[tuigirl]

Changing the subject for a mo, and passing on the message (while I see you on here Gerald) can you give Madformac a quick pm.thanks:thumbsup:
Ahh yes, the Dutch..oops sorry haven't seen them this time...but I do remember, being in Nijmegen(?) one world cup time and it was fabulous, all the orange flags and lots of happy happy people, great atmosphere.I must say some Europeans ( not the French) sure know how to celebrate a big event, one great big party:] it was...

[Gailh]

Germany beat Ecuador 3 - 0 so we (England) have to avoid defeat to Sweden tonight to avoid Germany in the next round.

I expect the Germans played extra hard to avoid us!

Come on England!

Gail

[stefan]

Let me just tell you that our whole country has been waiting for that event for years and years. Now it's there and millions of people are on the streets. There are not only the people visiting the games. Tickets were hard to get. But in every larger city several "Public viewing" events take place. In Berlin there were 700.000 people today on the so called fan mile. Hundred thousands of guests from other countries are here. Today I saw lots of Swedish and English fans in my train to work heading towards Cologne where in half an hour the next game starts. It is a peaceful atmosphere. Everyone supports his team with passion but there is also a lot of respect for the other nations and teams. In Dortmund the people from Sweden and Trinidad Tobago made a great party before and after the game.
Germany goes crazy for these 4 weeks and it is an unforgettable time.
CU,
Stefan

[Gailh]

Let me just tell you that our whole country has been waiting for that event for years and years. Now it's there and millions of people are on the streets. There are not only the people visiting the games. Tickets were hard to get. But in every larger city several "Public viewing" events take place. In Berlin there were 700.000 people today on the so called fan mile. Hundred thousands of guests from other countries are here. Today I saw lots of Swedish and English fans in my train to work heading towards Cologne where in half an hour the next game starts. It is a peaceful atmosphere. Everyone supports his team with passion but there is also a lot of respect for the other nations and teams. In Dortmund the people from Sweden and Trinidad Tobago made a great party before and after the game.
Germany goes crazy for these 4 weeks and it is an unforgettable time.
CU,
Stefan

It's nice to know most people are enjoying themselves and there's been relatively little trouble.

It seems like it's a very well run event.

come on England!

Gail

[cliffdweller]

Today I saw lots of Swedish and English fans in my train to work heading towards Cologne where in half an hour the next game starts.

Yikes, is it hard getting around with throngs of people everywhere?

[bretonbanquet]

Let me just tell you that our whole country has been waiting for that event for years and years. Now it's there and millions of people are on the streets. There are not only the people visiting the games. Tickets were hard to get. But in every larger city several "Public viewing" events take place. In Berlin there were 700.000 people today on the so called fan mile. Hundred thousands of guests from other countries are here. Today I saw lots of Swedish and English fans in my train to work heading towards Cologne where in half an hour the next game starts. It is a peaceful atmosphere. Everyone supports his team with passion but there is also a lot of respect for the other nations and teams. In Dortmund the people from Sweden and Trinidad Tobago made a great party before and after the game.
Germany goes crazy for these 4 weeks and it is an unforgettable time.
CU,
Stefan

That is really good to hear - let's hope it continues! :nod:

Today Germany 3-0 Ecuador, and Poland 2-1 Costa Rica
Also England 2-2 Sweden, and Paraguay 2-0 Trinidad & Tobago

Germany will play Sweden in the 2nd Round, and England will play Ecuador. The other 4 teams are eliminated.

I don't think England were very convincing - a shambles at the back despite being OK going forward. Maybe others will disagree :o

[Emmeline]

Hmm...we should've won. But hey, at least we still haven't lost to England since 1968 :cool: It's gonna be tough for Sweden against Germany now with their massive support (and the fact that we haven beaten them sice 1956), but hopefully it'll be a great game!

[cliffdweller]

Hmm...we should've won. But hey, at least we still haven't lost to England since 1968 :cool: It's gonna be tough for Sweden against Germany now with their massive support (and the fact that we haven beaten them sice 1956), but hopefully it'll be a great game!


I'm pulling for them! GO SWEDEN!!!!!

[DavidMn]

Germany just went to 3-0 with a 3-0 buttkicking over Ecuador. Roll on!:D

[stefan]

Yikes, is it hard getting around with throngs of people everywhere?
Well I suppose you should stay away from crossing the Berlin fan mile, while you are in a hurry :laugh:
But overall I would say it works out fine, no non stop traffic jam.

[bretonbanquet]

Mexico 1-2 Portugal
Angola 1-1 Iran

Argentina 0-0 Netherlands
Ivory Coast 3-2 Serbia & Montenegro

Portugal will play the Netherlands in the 2nd round
Mexico will play Argentina.

Everyone else is eliminated :(

[The Catdancer]

The Dutch are still there, that makes me happy :nod:

Usa is playing Ghana tomorrow.... or rather today. Should be a piece of cake.

[Gailh]

The Dutch are still there, that makes me happy :nod:

Usa is playing Ghana tomorrow.... or rather today. Should be a piece of cake.

Oops!

Gail

[bretonbanquet]

Oops indeed :rolleyes:

Ghana 2-1 USA
Czech Rep 0-2 Italy

Italy and Ghana go through to the 2nd round.

Ghana's second goal was from a penalty which should never ever have been given - a terrible dive from the Ghanaian, and the referee made a very bad decision. Just after the US had equalised as well... After that, the US team seemed to lose heart a bit, which was a shame.

So the World Cup is over for the US - too bad, it was a hard group to be in, and they lacked the edge needed to progress to the knockout rounds. They'll be back next time though, I'm sure :nod:

[DavidMn]

Oops indeed :rolleyes:

Ghana 2-1 USA
Czech Rep 0-2 Italy

Italy and Ghana go through to the 2nd round.

Ghana's second goal was from a penalty which should never ever have been given - a terrible dive from the Ghanaian, and the referee made a very bad decision. Just after the US had equalised as well... After that, the US team seemed to lose heart a bit, which was a shame.

So the World Cup is over for the US - too bad, it was a hard group to be in, and they lacked the edge needed to progress to the knockout rounds. They'll be back next time though, I'm sure :nod:They're certainly better than they used to be.

[cliffdweller]

Oops indeed :rolleyes:

Ghana 2-1 USA
Czech Rep 0-2 Italy

Italy and Ghana go through to the 2nd round.

Ghana's second goal was from a penalty which should never ever have been given - a terrible dive from the Ghanaian, and the referee made a very bad decision. Just after the US had equalised as well... After that, the US team seemed to lose heart a bit, which was a shame.

So the World Cup is over for the US - too bad, it was a hard group to be in, and they lacked the edge needed to progress to the knockout rounds. They'll be back next time though, I'm sure :nod:


I loved the Colbert Report last night: "Oh and Ghana? You're not Ghana win!" Oh well, I knew we wouldn't make it that far anyway :rolleyes:

[bretonbanquet]

Australia 2-2 Croatia

Another refereeing nightmare in which the British referee lost count of how many yellow cards he'd given out and one player stayed on the pitch when he had officially been sent off. Later he was impossibly booked a third time and sent off anyway.

Australia go through to play Italy in the 2nd Round - the best World Cup performance in their history.

Brazil 4-1 Japan

Brazil go through to play Ghana in the next round, after ending Japan's hopes. We had the bizarre spectacle of Brazilian legend Ronaldo, who is considerably overweight and at times looks like he can hardly move, yet the goofy sod still managed to score twice. He has now equalled the all-time goalscoring record in the World Cup.

[Gailh]

Australia 2-2 Croatia
Another refereeing nightmare in which the British referee lost count of how many yellow cards he'd given out and one player stayed on the pitch when he had officially been sent off. Later he was impossibly booked a third time and sent off anyway.


Graham Poll had a bit of a mare didn't he? :laugh:

Ukraine 1 Tunisia 0
Spain 1 Saudi Arabia 0

Spain and Ukraine go through

Tonight France must win to have a chance of going through to the next round. If not it's au revoir at the group stage for the second competition in a row.

Gail

[DavidMn]

Graham Poll had a bit of a mare didn't he? :laugh:

Ukraine 1 Tunisia 0
Spain 1 Saudi Arabia 0

Spain and Ukraine go through

Tonight France must win to have a chance of going through to the next round. If not it's au revoir at the group stage for the second competition in a row.

GailThat's not good for the team that won the whole thing on their home turf in 1998.

[DavidMn]

Germany faces Sweeden tomorrow. SHould be a good game. If the Germans can win this one, I think that will be a big boost for their confidence toward winning the cup because I think this is their first real test in the tournament so far. Sweeden is no cupcake for sure.

[littlewolf]

spain took an easy win over saudi-arabia with the least possible effort,boring game.
france will take the easiest win of the tournament over togo,
togo is already out,they won´t do anything,as they only worry about why they weren´t paid the huge amount of money,just for taking part,goodbye and good riddance.

[DavidMn]

spain took an easy win over saudi-arabia with the least possible effort,boring game.
france will take the easiest win of the tournament over togo,
togo is already out,they won´t do anything,as they only worry about why they weren´t paid the huge amount of money,just for taking part,goodbye and good riddance.I agree. It's alwats good to get rid of the dead weight.

[bretonbanquet]

The dead weight is gone - France 2-0 Togo -

France go through to play Spain in the 2nd round - really big game, that one.

Switzerland 2-0 South Korea

Switzerland top the group and will play Ukraine in the next round, ensuring that a less-fancied nation makes it through to the quarter finals.

Now the knockout phase will begin - this is when it gets really exciting :nod:

[Gailh]

I'm already getting nervous for tomorrow England v Ecuador.

I know we should win but .....

Gail

Come on England

[bretonbanquet]

I'm already getting nervous for tomorrow England v Ecuador.

I know we should win but .....

Gail

Come on England

I know what you mean... we should have beaten Northern Ireland a while back :(

[Gailh]

I know what you mean... we should have beaten Northern Ireland a while back :(

Ah yes I remember it well!

Gail

[The Catdancer]

Holland plays Portugal tomorrow. I hope we won't get our butts kicked :(

[bretonbanquet]

Holland plays Portugal tomorrow. I hope we won't get our butts kicked :(

That's going to be a close game - one of the best games of the round :nod:

Germany 2-0 Sweden

This wasn't a close game - Germany scored their goals early in the game and Sweden never got into it. When Sweden got a penalty after an hour or so and missed, you knew it was over. But have Germany really been tested yet? They'll be tested in the next round for sure ;)

[littlewolf]

they sure will be,argentina beat mexico after extratime 2-1
by extratime mexico was tired and after argentina took the lead,they had no way of challenging them. only first period was really good,but judging on that,germany-argentina will be an excellent game.
good luck to england against ecuador

[bretonbanquet]

Argentina 2-1 Mexico

The best game I've seen in a long time. Mexico were not fancied to do well against the impressive Argentinians, but they seemed to know exactly what to do to stifle the Argentinians' creativity. Mexico scored first after 6 minutes, but Argentina equalised 4 minutes later. After that it was very evenly matched - even the bad refereeing evened itself out. Argentina should have had a man sent off, but they also had a perfectly good goal disallowed. It was fitting that such a fine game was decided by an incredible goal, by Maxi Rodriguez 8 minutes into extra time.

Argentina now face Germany in the quarter finals - hard to see how it could be better than this though :nod:

[bretonbanquet]

they sure will be,argentina beat mexico after extratime 2-1
by extratime mexico was tired and after argentina took the lead,they had no way of challenging them. only first period was really good,but judging on that,germany-argentina will be an excellent game.
good luck to england against ecuador

Mexico were definitely more tired than Argentina at the end - I think the quality of the Argentine substitutes made the difference.

England might need luck against Ecuador! :rolleyes:

[DavidMn]

ON DEUTCHLAND!!! So I hear Beckhams bragging about how England's gonna win it all. Let's see if you can top the Mighty Germans Mr Beckham!!

[Gailh]

ON DEUTCHLAND!!! So I hear Beckhams bragging about how England's gonna win it all. Let's see if you can top the Mighty Germans Mr Beckham!!

I've not heard him "bragging". He's said he thinks we can we it - which is true if all of our players peform to their full potential, which they haven't so far.

Mighty Germans? You've got Argentina next.

Actually I hope Argentina win it (if England don't) because of their attractive attacking football, marvellous skill, entertainment value and I've drawn them in the office sweepstake! :laugh:

Gail

Come on England!

[bretonbanquet]

ON DEUTCHLAND!!! So I hear Beckhams bragging about how England's gonna win it all. Let's see if you can top the Mighty Germans Mr Beckham!!

No-one's bragging - they know they have to improve a lot if they're to win the Cup.

Like Gail said, you guys have got Argentina up next, which I predict will be the end of the line for the hosts!!

[tynan88]

I'm already getting nervous for tomorrow England v Ecuador.

I know we should win but ...[/I]

Yer I know too...it's just ashame we won't get to see England play any further in the tournament :laugh:

Australia play Italy on Monday, I'm not hoping too much but I'd like us to do well, it's our first World Cup since the last German one so we are just happy to have got this far.

[Street Angel]

No-one's bragging - they know they have to improve a lot if they're to win the Cup.

Like Gail said, you guys have got Argentina up next, which I predict will be the end of the line for the hosts!!

M-hm, just like some people predicted that Germany would be kicked out by Sweden etc.

Why do I get the feeling that some fans of other countries' teams have a problem with acknowledging that another, previously underrated team is playing much better than expected and that England hasn't yet shown the form it is truly capable of? Let's face it, the thing some English fans are really scared of is the prospect of playing against a strong German team, especially when comparing the matches England vs Sweden and Germany vs Sweden ;) :xoxo: If the English team really shows its talents, THEN the Germans will have something to be afraid of. :)

BTW, DavidMn, thanks for the support :D ! I'm totally surprised by the German performance so far, too - and I don't want to come across as a smart a**, but it is Deutschland :)

[Gailh]

Yer I know too...it's just ashame we won't get to see England play any further in the tournament :laugh:


:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Gail

PS England 1 Ecuador 0

[Gailh]

I've just been watching the first half of Portugal v Holland (Portugal leading 1 - 0 but have had a man sent off)

The commentator was describing a replay of the Portuguese goal and he said "smart twirl by" I looked up straight away - was Stevie Nicks playing for Portugal? :shocked: No - she failed a fitness test (broken finger nail) :lol: :lol: :lol:

Gail

[tuigirl]

Dear me England played rubbish tonight! However thank goodness for David Beckham, he sure can produce the goods when they need him to. The Argy/ Mexican match was fabulous to watch..England need to get their arses into gear to get anywhere near as good as that.

[Mari]

Netherlands - Portugal
That wasn't football anymore, was it? That was war.

good luck England against what's left of the Portuguese team after all those red cards:lol:

[Gailh]

Dear me England played rubbish tonight! However thank goodness for David Beckham, he sure can produce the goods when they need him to. The Argy/ Mexican match was fabulous to watch..England need to get their arses into gear to get anywhere near as good as that.

I didn't think we were too bad tonight.

We kept the ball better and didn't wilt in the heat.

But yes thank goodness for old golden balls!

Gail

Come on England

[Gailh]

Netherlands - Portugal
That wasn't football anymore, was it? That was war.

good luck England against what's left of the Portuguese team after all those red cards:lol:

I think the ref lost the plot a bit. But he did a magnificent job of remembering who'd been booked (poor old Graham Poll couldn't quite manage that the other night)

It certainly makes our life a bit easier with two suspensions on the Protuguese side.

Gail

[DavidMn]

No-one's bragging - they know they have to improve a lot if they're to win the Cup.

Like Gail said, you guys have got Argentina up next, which I predict will be the end of the line for the hosts!!Thisis so much fun though. We only get to do this every 4 years

[DavidMn]

M-hm, just like some people predicted that Germany would be kicked out by Sweden etc.

Why do I get the feeling that some fans of other countries' teams have a problem with acknowledging that another, previously underrated team is playing much better than expected and that England hasn't yet shown the form it is truly capable of? Let's face it, the thing some English fans are really scared of is the prospect of playing against a strong German team, especially when comparing the matches England vs Sweden and Germany vs Sweden ;) :xoxo: If the English team really shows its talents, THEN the Germans will have something to be afraid of. :)

BTW, DavidMn, thanks for the support :D ! I'm totally surprised by the German performance so far, too - and I don't want to come across as a smart a**, but it is Deutschland :)Another Germany fan!!!:D We're gonna sneak up on Argentina just like we did against Sweeden.:nod:

[Street Angel]

You can bet on that! :thumbsup: It looks really good for Germany! :D

[Gailh]

Another Germany fan!!!:D We're gonna sneak up on Argentina just like we did against Sweeden.:nod:

I don't think you snuck up on Sweden - more like smashed them straight in the mouth!

Gail

[cliffdweller]

So does that mean Sweden is out? :distress:

Oh and DavidMn, it's "S-W-E-D-E-N" :p or, "Sverige" if you're Swedish :D .

[Gailh]

So does that mean Sweden is out? :distress:

Oh and DavidMn, it's "S-W-E-D-E-N" :p or, "Sverige" if you're Swedish :D .

Yup Sweden are on the way home.

Italy just beat Australia 1 - 0 (penalty in the 94th minute)

Gail

[bretonbanquet]

Italy-Australia was yet another game ruined by the referee. When are the officials going to be as good as the players? :shrug:

[littlewolf]

unbelievably cruel way to go out!

i´d say even though england hasn´t played glamorous games,they have played well,only sweden has scored against them,which tells their game is in good balance though lack of strikers may prove to be a problem.
remember greece won european cup -04,even though nobody believed or liked their game.

[DavidMn]

So does that mean Sweden is out? :distress:

Oh and DavidMn, it's "S-W-E-D-E-N" :p or, "Sverige" if you're Swedish :D .OH JEEZ. I missed that one. Sorry.:laugh:

[Für Elise]

Italy-Australia was yet another game ruined by the referee. When are the officials going to be as good as the players? :shrug:What a horrible way to end, on a bad foul call. When are they going to introduce video playback is the question. Some countries might be plotting the murder of that referee by now. Australia was all over Italy in the end, Hiddink should have again caused the biggest upset of the Cup, how unjust! Why on earth don't they give in and use replay like just about every other sport?

[Serrart]

Italy-Australia was yet another game ruined by the referee. When are the officials going to be as good as the players? :shrug:

Well the referee kicked out one of our players instead of giving him a yellow card, and we had to play in ten for 50 minutes, so there was a sort of balance.

Romy

[tynan88]

What a horrible way to end, on a bad foul call. When are they going to introduce video playback is the question. Some countries might be plotting the murder of that referee by now. Australia was all over Italy in the end, Hiddink should have again caused the biggest upset of the Cup, how unjust! Why on earth don't they give in and use replay like just about every other sport?

So, so cruel :(

[Mari]

Sorry the Socceroos are out as well... yeah, bitter to loose it that way. But that's football.

[DavidMn]

****! I have to wait till Friday for the big Germany/Argentina game.:mad: :rolleyes: At least Maradona will have to watch from the stands.

[Gailh]

Well the referee kicked out one of our players instead of giving him a yellow card, and we had to play in ten for 50 minutes, so there was a sort of balance.

Romy

The ref sent off the Italian player rather harshly so I agree there was a kind of balance to it.

Gail

[Gailh]

What a horrible way to end, on a bad foul call. When are they going to introduce video playback is the question. Some countries might be plotting the murder of that referee by now. Australia was all over Italy in the end, Hiddink should have again caused the biggest upset of the Cup, how unjust! Why on earth don't they give in and use replay like just about every other sport?

Football is a deceptively simple game. You score one more goal than the opposition and you win!

For all Australia's dominence they couldn't convert that into goals.

I think that video replays could work perhaps for penalities and to see if the ball had crossed the line

Gail

[DavidMn]

The ref sent off the Italian player rather harshly so I agree there was a kind of balance to it.

GailOh btw, sorry if I was a bit hard on Mr Beckham the other day. I guess I'm just a little excited abotu Germany's chances.:nod:

[Gailh]

Oh btw, sorry if I was a bit hard on Mr Beckham the other day. I guess I'm just a little excited abotu Germany's chances.:nod:

Well you clearly upset him - he threw up on the pitch!

Gail

[DavidMn]

Well you clearly upset him - he threw up on the pitch!

GailOops.:sorry: :laugh: This Argentina game has me quite nervous. :nod:

[bretonbanquet]

Brazil 3-0 Ghana

Brazil get through without looking very impressive. Fat Ronald scores again, and he's now the top World Cup scorer in history. He even managed to jog about a bit today :rolleyes:

France 3-1 Spain

France successfully cancel out Spain's midfield cleverness, and thanks to Henry's simulation (I still like the guy but today he cheated), a free-kick leads to France's second, and decisive, goal. And I think their third was offside :mad: As you can guess, I was supporting Spain :(

So the quarter-finals are all sorted out:

Argentina-Germany
Italy-Ukraine
Brazil-France
England-Portugal

Not many teams there that have been convincing...

[danax6]

Netherlands - Portugal
That wasn't football anymore, was it? That was war.
Meh, don't get me started. I am still mourning.

I could start blaming it on the referee, but the entire country has been doing that for days. I will just stick with the 'We were better, Portugal was smarter' phrase. They saw what kind of guy the ref was and took advantage of it. Maybe we should have done that also instead of becoming insanely frustrated. Either way, it killed the entire game.

[Serrart]

Oh btw, sorry if I was a bit hard on Mr Beckham the other day. I guess I'm just a little excited abotu Germany's chances.:nod:

Sorry David, but I've just become Argentina 's greatest fan, after reading an article on Der Spiegel, where the nicest things said about Italians are some bad comments on our mothers and that we are filthy parasites. :distress:

Romy

[Street Angel]

Can you give me the link, please? Or if it was the print edition, the headline and the author. :) It's hard to imagine that Spiegel would publish something like that! :shocked:

[Serrart]

Can you give me the link, please? Or if it was the print edition, the headline and the author. :) It's hard to imagine that Spiegel would publish something like that! :shocked:

here it is:
http://www.spiegel.de/sport/fussball/0,1518,423809,00.html

Apparently the parasites part was partly edited after they got many protests, but the original version of the article was already on many Italian sites.

Romy

[Street Angel]

Thanks Romy! I'll read it now and see if anything has been written about the article :)

[Street Angel]

OK, I've read it... what can I say, it is by Achim Achilles (I now know why he uses a pseudonym) :rolleyes: - he really meant it as a satire on clichés, but I can totally understand why this would upset readers (in Germany and Italy alike). I've read some of his other columns in the past and it is obvious that he's definitely not some right-wing writer. On the contrary, he's spoken out against neo-fascism and anti-semitism in past articles but unfortunately always in that over-the-top manner.

The bitter truth is... he simply can't write. :laugh: A single writer like him does not represent Germany - maybe that will change your mind about keeping your fingers crossed for us? ;) :D

[Serrart]

OK, I've read it... what can I say, it is by Achim Achilles (I now know why he uses a pseudonym) :rolleyes: - he really meant it as a satire on clichés, but I can totally understand why this would upset readers (in Germany and Italy alike). I've read some of his other columns in the past and it is obvious that he's definitely not some right-wing writer. On the contrary, he's spoken out against neo-fascism and anti-semitism in past articles but unfortunately always in that over-the-top manner.

The bitter truth is... he simply can't write. :laugh: A single writer like him does not represent Germany - maybe that will change your mind about keeping your fingers crossed for us? ;) :D

No. :sorry: :xoxo:... But I can say good luck.

Romy

[Street Angel]

OK, so if we're beaten by Argentina, I'll have to thank YOU! :mad: :laugh:

But I suppose wishing us good luck should do as well. :xoxo: :)

[DavidMn]

Sorry David, but I've just become Argentina 's greatest fan, after reading an article on Der Spiegel, where the nicest things said about Italians are some bad comments on our mothers and that we are filthy parasites. :distress:

RomyAh German people can be assholes at times. Look at it this way, I'm 100% German and I'd rather have Italian food any F***ING day over German!:laugh:

[DavidMn]

This Germany/Argentina matchup has some very signifigant history to it as well, with Argentina winning the cup final over Germany in '86 and Germany returning the favor in the Final 4 years later in '90.

[Street Angel]

Ah German people can be assholes at times.

...which is something we have in common with Americans. What kind of generalization is that? :rolleyes:


Look at it this way, I'm 100% German and I'd rather have Italian food any F***ING day over German!:laugh:

Which German meal in particular did you dislike?

[DavidMn]

...which is something we have in common with Americans. What kind of generalization is that? :rolleyes:




Which German meal in particular did you dislike?I know. I wasnt trying to generalize. Sorry if it came across that way. The food thing has to do with my grandmother and always arguing about what she used to make for dinner. It seemed so bland and boring. That's all.:)

[Street Angel]

No problem, thanks for clearing this up. :)

About your grandmother's food... then you apparently haven't tried the *right* meals yet. Plenty of good stuff to try out! Just make sure you avoid "restaurants" that claim to offer German kitchen with Sauerkraut, Würstl, Knödel, waitresses named Heidi and Bavarian kitsch - THAT is not Germany. I know what you mean, though. It really depends on the recipe, the ingredients and (no offense to your grandmother) the cook.
Nevertheless, I understand and share your weakness for Italian food!

[DavidMn]

No problem, thanks for clearing this up. :)

About your grandmother's food... then you apparently haven't tried the *right* meals yet. Plenty of good stuff to try out! Just make sure you avoid "restaurants" that claim to offer German kitchen with Sauerkraut, Würstl, Knödel, waitresses named Heidi and Bavarian kitsch - THAT is not Germany. I know what you mean, though. It really depends on the recipe, the ingredients and (no offense to your grandmother) the cook.
Nevertheless, I understand and share your weakness for Italian food!
So wodn to more serious matters, Can we beat Argentina tomorrow? I cant even imagine the excitement there right now! I know I'll be glued to the tv tomorrow.

[Street Angel]

Yes, we can beat them! Argentina will face a strong team, that's for sure :D And you're right, the excitement over here is enormous! You really can't get away from it even if you wanted to - it's everywhere.

You can be sure I'll be glued to the TV, too.

[Gailh]

So wodn to more serious matters, Can we beat Argentina tomorrow? I cant even imagine the excitement there right now! I know I'll be glued to the tv tomorrow.

I think this one is too close to call.

Unfortunately I'm at work and it kicks off at 4 pm UK time so I will only be able to hear the second half when I'm in the car going home this afternoon.

Gail

[Für Elise]

Yeeessss! That was the best match I've seen so far. A happy camp over here.

[Street Angel]

You're right, what a great and exciting match! I'm so happy right now! :thumbsup: :blob2: :blob1:

[Gailh]

Germany kept their nerve when it mattered most.

See you in the final!

Gail

Come on England!

[Villavic]

I hate when it ends with penalties. Whole Argentina must be crying. BuaaaaHH me too, I like them. :(

Now let's see Brasil, and England. I like both

[DavidMn]

I am so proud to be a German right now!:nod: Argentina showed they were overrated and deserved to not make it any further. I watched the penalty kicks and my grandmother would've made better kicks than those pansies for Argentina that missed. Then at the end of the match Argentina showed their true sore loser colors by trying to stir things up.:mad: Well, theyre going back to Agrentina, which as far as I'm concerned is exactly where they deserve to be! My whole family was watching at my house. It was just great. Then my uncle called form Munich after the match. As for the semi-finals, as far as I'm concerned it doesnt matter who wins between Ukraine and Italy. Ukraine is lucky to even be where they are and Italy is EXTREMELY overrated as far a I can see it. I would love to see Brazil in the final so we can avenge 2002. But England would be nice as well. Ha! my mom just put the German flag up outside our house nxt to the american one.


:nod:
ON DEUTSCHLAND!!!

[Für Elise]

I am so proud to be a German right now!:nod: Argentina showed they were overrated and deserved to not make it any further. I watched the penalty kicks and my grandmother would've made better kicks than those pansies for Argentina that missed. Then at the end of the match Argentina showed their true sore loser colors by trying to stir things up.:mad: Well, theyre going back to Agrentina, which as far as I'm concerned is exactly where they deserve to be! My whole family was watching at my house. It was just great. Then my uncle called form Munich after the match. As for the semi-finals, as far as I'm concerned it doesnt matter who wins between Ukraine and Italy. Ukraine is lucky to even be where they are and Italy is EXTREMELY overrated as far a I can see it. I would love to see Brazil in the final so we can avenge 2002. But England would be nice as well. Ha! my mom just put the German flag up outside our house nxt to the american one.


:nod:
ON DEUTCHLAND!!!I was supporting Germany through the whole game but I wouldn't go that far. Argentina proved they are a remarkable team at present. Whenever it goes to the shoot out I would consider that a statement that either team were good enough to go through. It came down to the nerves and split-second decisions of the keepers, one of whom was a substitute, keeping in mind. It really was an even match making it all the more exciting. I say that as a keen Germany supporter too. My mother is German and my father is British and both sides are in excitement mode although my father is the one who gets to be in Germany at the moment. I'll be cheering just as hard for England and if they win I won't know who to cheer for.

[DavidMn]

I was supporting Germany through the whole game but I wouldn't go that far. Argentina proved they are a remarkable team at present. Whenever it goes to the shoot out I would consider that a statement that either team were good enough to go through. It came down to the nerves and split-second decisions of the keepers, one of whom was a substitute, keeping in mind. It really was an even match making it all the more exciting. I say that as a keen Germany supporter too. My mother is German and my father is British and both sides are in excitement mode although my father is the one who gets to be in Germany at the moment. I'll be cheering just as hard for England and if they win I won't know who to cheer for.I guess I just got a little excited!:lol: I was very dissapointed with those 2 penalty kicks they missed though. Both of them were not very good at all. The match was very exciting to watch I agree. Do you think Argentina having to change their goalkeeper so late had a big affect. With Germany scoring in the 80th minute I think it did, although I dont think anyone couldve stopped that header.

[Für Elise]

I guess I just got a little excited!:lol: I was very dissapointed with those 2 penalty kicks they missed though. Both of them were not very good at all. The match was very exciting to watch I agree. Do you think Argentina having to change their goalkeeper so late had a big affect. With Germany scoring in the 80th minute I think it did, although I dont think anyone couldve stopped that header.I was too busy jumping about to see the replays of the header. I think Germany did have the advantage in the shoot out, Lehmann is the hero for sure.

[Street Angel]

I am so proud to be a German right now!:nod: Argentina showed they were overrated and deserved to not make it any further. I watched the penalty kicks and my grandmother would've made better kicks than those pansies for Argentina that missed.

Let's be fair, Argentina was definitely not overrated. They showed a lot of strength and thank God the German team was equally strong, otherwise this would've been the end. As far as the penalty kicks are concerned, Argentina wasn't THAT bad either - in the end, it was also a question of luck, at least in THIS match.

And on a lighter note, you apparently didn't read one of my previous posts... it's DeutSchland, for crying out loud! :laugh: As a proud German you should know. :p

[DavidMn]

Let's be fair, Argentina was definitely not overrated. They showed a lot of strength and thank God the German team was equally strong, otherwise this would've been the end. As far as the penalty kicks are concerned, Argentina wasn't THAT bad either - in the end, it was also a question of luck, at least in THIS match.

And on a lighter note, you apparently didn't read one of my previous posts... it's DeutSchland, for crying out loud! :laugh: As a proud German you should know. :pDamn, I'm sorry. AYE I cant believe I missed that!

[DavidMn]

Let's be fair, Argentina was definitely not overrated. They showed a lot of strength and thank God the German team was equally strong, otherwise this would've been the end. As far as the penalty kicks are concerned, Argentina wasn't THAT bad either - in the end, it was also a question of luck, at least in THIS match.

And on a lighter note, you apparently didn't read one of my previous posts... it's DeutSchland, for crying out loud! :laugh: As a proud German you should know. :pI fixed it. Thank you for pointing that mistake out to me. And yes I am embarrased!:lol:

[bretonbanquet]

Argentina were the better side. "How can you say that", I hear you cry... They behaved like sides who know how good they are often do. They dominate, score a goal, then sit back and wait for the final whistle. Mistake #1. Then the coach takes off his best player and makes some dodgy substitutions. Mistake #2. The coach has already quit, by the way, before the tsunami of Argentine anger hits him...

The goalkeeper having to be taken off must have upset their balance a lot too. I used to play in goal, and it is extremely difficult to come on in the middle of a game and find the rhythm of your team and connect with your defenders, all of whom are worried that you're nervous. Germany will also have been encouraged by it. And then to face a penalty shoot-out - well, the guy was under major pressure. On top of that, they faced the best penalty shoot-out specialists in the game. Germany are just near-impossible to beat at penalties, they just seem to have iron nerves.

Argentina threw it away, and even though Germany were often dominated, they never gave up. They have a great chance to win the Cup - they'll meet Italy (who are currently blowing Ukraine away) in the semis. I'm just disappointed because all the sides I like to watch are now out :(

[ryan8472]

It was a good game, but the whole penalty shots aspect of the game is bull****. It cheapens the game, IMO. I say they just play until someone scores. But thats me. Other than that, it was an exciting, fun game to watch!

[bretonbanquet]

It was a good game, but the whole penalty shots aspect of the game is bull****. It cheapens the game, IMO. I say they just play until someone scores. But thats me. Other than that, it was an exciting, fun game to watch!

Yeah, I agree - a penalty shoot-out is an awful way to lose a game, but fans generally love it, even though the players hate it. Last time they had a system whereby you play half an hour's extra time and the first team to score wins the game, and the game ends right there and then - but they dropped it for this tournament. Not really sure why, maybe fans complained? :shrug:

[Serrart]

We've beaten easily Ukraine 3 -0 so we'll have Germany in the semifinal and we're very very motivated against them.:nod: By the way, it would be extremely tough to beat them. We'll see.

Romy

[Für Elise]

**** **** **** **** :(

sorry, a little disappointed here

[Mari]

So sorry to see England go, they were my second fave (duh)...

[Gailh]

England lose on penalties again!

Twas ever thus!

Gail

[madformac]

Dirty cheating diving ba**ards.. Yes England are out, as usual, on penalties. But I have to say Rooney's offense was not a sending off and as for Portugal... Well the diving was almost as good as Italy's dramatics.

No big deal. Brazil will thump them in the semis. Germany will beat Brazil in the final... I'm pretty sure of it..

There's no way England could win the World Cup with one striker really.

**disclaimer** I'm exceptionally drunk and due to be out drinking all night. However, unlike most England supporters I won't be smashing shops or antagonising people. No, I'll be channeling my energy into consuming large quantities of alcoholic beverages...

This is a public service announcement from Justin.... (sorry for any spelling abnormalities but I'm way past drunk)..

Goodnight and have a nice evening to all you lovely Ledgies................

Justin "On the seventh day, god created Stella Artois" B

[Gailh]

Yeah well if we were that much better we would have scored a goal

Gail

[DavidMn]

Germany will beat Brazil in the final... I'm pretty sure of it..

I certainly appreciate your assesment!:) I'm very sorry England lost but I did notice towards the end of overtime England looked very tired and I wondered if they would have enough left for the penalty kicks.:distress:

[madformac]

Yeah well if we were that much better we would have scored a goal

Gail


We were better as a whole. We just can't finish.. That's the problem. Cole was our best player. You don't take him off.... End of the day we missed Rooney, Beckham and Cole for taking penalties.... its the usual story and the press will tear them apart tomorrow... Having said that I still fancy Germany for the Cup...

[bretonbanquet]

England lose on penalties again!

Twas ever thus!

Gail

Yup, nothing new there...

[Gailh]

Yup, nothing new there...

I must be a very lucky person because right now this is all I am concerned about!

Bugger!
Gail

[DavidMn]

DO all of you think the Rooney call was as bad as the one that went against Australia?

[Gailh]

DO all of you think the Rooney call was as bad as the one that went against Australia?

Don't know! Too biased!

Gail

[bretonbanquet]

DO all of you think the Rooney call was as bad as the one that went against Australia?

Rooney deserved to be sent off. He stood on Carvalho's balls, on purpose, then he shoved Cristiano Ronaldo (who admittedly stuck his face in where it wasn't needed). It's either violent conduct or serious foul play. Rooney has always had a temper problem, and Ronaldo (his Man Utd team-mate) must surely have told his team to play on that, knowing that Rooney would lose his cool. As we saw, Rooney lost his cool and got sent off.

But then I thought that Italy's penalty against Australia was justified as well. The Aussie defender went to ground at an attacker's feet, and the attacker fell over him. Penalty. Almost no referee would have let that go.

[DavidMn]

Rooney deserved to be sent off. He stood on Carvalho's balls, on purpose, then he shoved Cristiano Ronaldo (who admittedly stuck his face in where it wasn't needed). It's either violent conduct or serious foul play. Rooney has always had a temper problem, and Ronaldo (his Man Utd team-mate) must surely have told his team to play on that, knowing that Rooney would lose his cool. As we saw, Rooney lost his cool and got sent off.

But then I thought that Italy's penalty against Australia was justified as well. The Aussie defender went to ground at an attacker's feet, and the attacker fell over him. Penalty. Almost no referee would have let that go.Say, DO you know how many World Cups England has won? is it 2 or 3?

[bretonbanquet]

Say, DO you know how many World Cups England has won? is it 2 or 3?

It's one - 1966 :wavey:

[DavidMn]

It's one - 1966 :wavey:See, my football knowledge isnt that great.:lol: I do know however that Germany is gunning for their 4th.:)

[bretonbanquet]

See, my football knowledge isnt that great.:lol: I do know however that Germany is gunning for their 4th.:)

They certainly are. Here are all the winners:

Brazil - 1958, 1962, 1970, 1994, 2002 (5)

Germany - 1954, 1974, 1990 (3)
Italy - 1934, 1938, 1982 (3)

Argentina - 1978, 1986 (2)
Uruguay - 1930, 1950 (2)

England - 1966 (1)
France - 1998 (1)

[DavidMn]

They certainly are. Here are all the winners:

Brazil - 1958, 1962, 1970, 1994, 2002 (5)

Germany - 1954, 1974, 1990 (3)
Italy - 1934, 1938, 1982 (3)

Argentina - 1978, 1986 (2)
Uruguay - 1930, 1950 (2)

England - 1966 (1)
France - 1998 (1)After my excitement yesterday over Germany's win, I will admit they were outplayed and will have to do better if they expect to beat the Italians. The home field advantage will be very signifigant I believe though.:nod:

[bretonbanquet]

After my excitement yesterday over Germany's win, I will admit they were outplayed and will have to do better if they expect to beat the Italians. The home field advantage will be very signifigant I believe though.:nod:

The crowd will definitely be Germany's "12th man" and it will make a big difference for sure. Don't forget Argentina are arguably better than Italy, so maybe they won't have to improve much to beat the Italians. It'll be close though - all the games are close at this stage :nod:

[DavidMn]

The crowd will definitely be Germany's "12th man" and it will make a big difference for sure. Don't forget Argentina are arguably better than Italy, so maybe they won't have to improve much to beat the Italians. It'll be close though - all the games are close at this stage :nod:I want payback against Brazil for the 2002 final! Those damn Brazilians!:lol:

[bretonbanquet]

I want payback against Brazil for the 2002 final! Those damn Brazilians!:lol:

Ah well, Brazil have a couple of games to win before the final, starting with this one against France, which is underway now. 0-0 so far, and quite even. If they beat France, they have to beat Portugal to reach the final... I would fancy Germany to beat Brazil though, unless Brazil find their magic at some stage :o

[DavidMn]

Ah well, Brazil have a couple of games to win before the final, starting with this one against France, which is underway now. 0-0 so far, and quite even. If they beat France, they have to beat Portugal to reach the final... I would fancy Germany to beat Brazil though, unless Brazil find their magic at some stage :oI certainly hope youre right my friend. Maybe things are falling into place for Germany to win it.:D

[Street Angel]

The crowd will definitely be Germany's "12th man" and it will make a big difference for sure. Don't forget Argentina are arguably better than Italy, so maybe they won't have to improve much to beat the Italians. It'll be close though - all the games are close at this stage :nod:

I totally agree with what you said. Argentina is a bit more "intimidating" than Italy, but nevertheless Italy is a *very* strong opponent!

And David... "outplayed"? "things [just] falling into place for Germany" ?? I'm getting more and more desperate the more you say! :laugh: Where's the confidence and the fighting spirit? :p One more statement like this and Chancellor Merkel will personally stop you from ever setting foot on German soil! German fan? Ah, the shame!! :laugh:

[Serrart]

The crowd will definitely be Germany's "12th man" and it will make a big difference for sure. Don't forget Argentina are arguably better than Italy, so maybe they won't have to improve much to beat the Italians. It'll be close though - all the games are close at this stage :nod:

It's always dangerous to underrate Italy, we tend to give our best in those situations... but it would be a very tough match, hope the best will win and that won't' be 90 minutes played on nerves. Brasil was really unwatchable tonight, but I'm sorry they lost. David, are you sure you haven't Italian origins? We're always full of doubts... but have also (usually) a great sense of humour;)

Romy

[madformac]

Italy are lucky and really shouldn't be there, France are even luckier (How the hell have they made the semis??). Portugal are bland and not a real threat so I still say Germany will win. They can score early, they are killers at penalties, they have home advantage and most importantly they are very underrated. Still they are not favorites..

[tuigirl]

**disclaimer** I'm exceptionally drunk and due to be out drinking all night. However, unlike most England supporters I won't be smashing shops or antagonising people. No, I'll be channeling my energy into consuming large quantities of alcoholic beverages...


Justin "On the seventh day, god created Stella Artois" B

.....errrr....ok..you sound very animated!

Lets just face it England were total rubbish ALL the way through, the whole World Cup.!! I'm not the least bit surprised they are now out (although they did keep us screaming at the tele for nearly 2 hours!!)
Owen Hargreaves deserves a medal for all his hard work from day one, Lampard was crap and as for that idiotic Rooney..well...there you go..wally.
Also, I don't see the point of taking an unknown 17 yr old with you, if he dosn't play at all, why wasn't he put on for the last 20 minutes, they were going to loose anyway, so it might not have made any difference, but at least he could have worn an English shirt.:thumbsup:

[tuigirl]

ooo...I forgot to say, that watching some of the lesser known teams has been far more exciting, than what we saw yesterday. Japan and Sth Korea for us were fab. The best game for us so far...Mexico/Argentina!

[Gailh]

.....errrr....ok..you sound very animated!

Lets just face it England were total rubbish ALL the way through, the whole World Cup.!! I'm not the least bit surprised they are now out (although they did keep us screaming at the tele for nearly 2 hours!!)
Owen Hargreaves deserves a medal for all his hard work from day one, Lampard was crap and as for that idiotic Rooney..well...there you go..wally.
Also, I don't see the point of taking an unknown 17 yr old with you, if he dosn't play at all, why wasn't he put on for the last 20 minutes, they were going to loose anyway, so it might not have made any difference, but at least he could have worn an English shirt.:thumbsup:

None of our so-called "star" players performed. Lampard missing the first penalty just about summed up his World Cup.

I am fed up of us losing bloody penalty shoot outs!

Gail

[madformac]

....errrr....ok..you sound very animated!

Lets just face it England were total rubbish ALL the way through, the whole World Cup.!! I'm not the least bit surprised they are now out (although they did keep us screaming at the tele for nearly 2 hours!!)
Owen Hargreaves deserves a medal for all his hard work from day one, Lampard was crap and as for that idiotic Rooney..well...there you go..wally.


I don't think England were rubbish. I don't think they played to their potential but they were not rubbish. You don't get to the quarters if you are rubbish. Argentina and Brazil went out too and they are not rubbish.

Owen Hargreaves was indeed "rubbish" so I'm not sure we were watching the same team. Frank Lampard was crap as well. Apart from those two I thought they were an OK team. Rooney was just acting his age. If he had some support up front it never would have happened. Walcott should have come on without a doubt at half time.

As for penalties, if four of your top penalty kickers are missing (Beckham, Rooney, Cole, Owen) then its not going to be very good really.


why wasn't he put on for the last 20 minutes, they were going to loose anyway, so it might not have made any difference

I thought they did pretty damn well with 10 men, as did Scolari, the Portugal coach. They still had chances to the end so I disagree with that comment. Oh its "lose" btw not "loose". Where are David and the spelling police! :D

[Gailh]

I am now supporting France (which will undoubtedly mean they will start playing crap and will lose in a penalty shoot out!)

Gail

Allez les bleus!

[tuigirl]

Playing with 10 men, yes, I agree MFM, they did do very well considering (they even had some great chances but failed to finish them ), but it shouldn't really have gotten to that point to be honest..Rooney is young and not mature (too much money and a crazy lifestyle too quickly, I fear) but he was a wally at the end of the day.
I think Theo should have gone on yes, absolutely, but surely Sven could have seen it was all going down the toilet with 20 mins to go (we could), and he'd have had nothing to lose with putting out this guy, he so strongly wanted to bring with the team.

...actually Gail, I hate to admit it but I too think the French might pull it off, they seem to have improved as the game goes on, wer'e not that bothered now, really who wins.Could be a German/ French final.:nod:

[Gailh]

...actually Gail, I hate to admit it but I too think the French might pull it off, they seem to have improved as the game goes on, wer'e not that bothered now, really who wins.Could be a German/ French final.:nod:


they've got no chance now I'm supporting them :laugh:

I think that the final will be Germany France

Gail

[Mari]

think I'll support Italy now, though I've a bad feeling Germany's going to win... sorry David, but as I'm Dutch I could never support Germany. ;)
Why: 1974.

[madformac]

think I'll support Italy now, though I've a bad feeling Germany's going to win... sorry David, but as I'm Dutch I could never support Germany. ;)
Why: 1974.

Italy dive and cheat too much.

Portugal beat England and they are too boring as well

France are just France and I have issues with the French.

Which leaves Germany. Now being English technically I should not support them. They are our arch enemies on the pitch (and off it too judging by history) but I like the way they are playing and they seem very much in control.

England won the World Cup when it was held in England in '66

Argentina won the World Cup when it was held in Argentina in '78

France won the World Cup when it was held in France in '98

So logically Germany will win it in Germany in '06

[Gailh]

think I'll support Italy now, though I've a bad feeling Germany's going to win... sorry David, but as I'm Dutch I could never support Germany. ;)
Why: 1974.

I have a feeling that Germany is going to win but I wont be supporting the Germans either. Why? We've lost twice on penalty shoot outs to the Germans and it's not that I'M bitter or anything ........

Gail

[DavidMn]

I totally agree with what you said. Argentina is a bit more "intimidating" than Italy, but nevertheless Italy is a *very* strong opponent!

And David... "outplayed"? "things [just] falling into place for Germany" ?? I'm getting more and more desperate the more you say! :laugh: Where's the confidence and the fighting spirit? :p One more statement like this and Chancellor Merkel will personally stop you from ever setting foot on German soil! German fan? Ah, the shame!! :laugh:Oh youre too funny!:laugh:

[DavidMn]

think I'll support Italy now, though I've a bad feeling Germany's going to win... sorry David, but as I'm Dutch I could never support Germany. ;)
Why: 1974.I totally understand. I appreciate your loyalty to your country.:nod:

[DavidMn]

As for France, they outplayed the Brazilians completely as far as I could see it. More knowledgeable football minds than myself may disagree, but I believe France will win over Portugal even thought their coach has won 12 consecutive eorld cup matches. BTW, to my English friends, the fact that Beckham gave up his captaincy of the team was pretty big news over here. I'm sure it was there as well.

[shackin'up]

I support the germans from now on. From the teams left, they play closest to the dutch style. I have to overwin some syndroms but if one's fair: Germany plays the most daring game. But to name Argentina more intimidating than Italy is far from realistic. They were back in the days but today it's the portuguese and italians who play the best psychodrama. Awful, but effective.

no, germany, if they stay cool-why not, it's their strength- will be playing Portugal in the final. And win by penaltyshootout.

[DavidMn]

I support the germans from now on. From the teams left, they play closest to the dutch style. I have to overwin some syndroms but if one's fair: Germany plays the most daring game. But to name Argentina more intimidating than Italy is far from realistic. They were back in the days but today it's the portuguese and italians who play the best psychodrama. Awful, but effective.

no, germany, if they stay cool-why not, it's their strength- will be playing Portugal in the final. And win by penaltyshootout.Portugal. Really? interesting. I would feel them to be less of a threat than France.

[shackin'up]

Until now, the french have played one good game. They're gonna overestimate themselves after they've beaten Brasil. Portugal is more realistic. They did not play ONE good game this tournament, but got into the semis. They KNOW that they are the surprise and will act like it: wait until the opponent makes the mistake. And they have an even better penaltykiller in their goal than germany. The germans will win it because they donot place their penalties IN the net, but their aim is THROUGH the net: it's that total focus that will bring them their victory.

Unbelievable to hear that from my mouth. I'll have to live with AGAIN four years living next to the Weltmeister. Brrrr.

[DavidMn]

Until now, the french have played one good game. They're gonna overestimate themselves after they've beaten Brasil. Portugal is more realistic. They did not play ONE good game this tournament, but got into the semis. They KNOW that they are the surprise and will act like it: wait until the opponent makes the mistake. And they have an even better penaltykiller in their goal than germany. The germans will win it because they donot place their penalties IN the net, but their aim is THROUGH the net: it's that total focus that will bring them their victory.

Unbelievable to hear that from my mouth. I'll have to live with AGAIN four years living next to the Weltmeister. Brrrr.Good stuff Gerald, thank you.

[Mari]

Italy dive and cheat too much.

err, don't we all? That's football!:laugh:

Portugal beat England and they are too boring as well

France are just France and I have issues with the French.

Which leaves Germany. Now being English technically I should not support them. They are our arch enemies on the pitch (and off it too judging by history) but I like the way they are playing and they seem very much in control.

England won the World Cup when it was held in England in '66

Argentina won the World Cup when it was held in Argentina in '78

France won the World Cup when it was held in France in '98

So logically Germany will win it in Germany in '06

Shiver. But my guts say you're right. Won't go as far as Gerald though and actually support them :p

[Mari]

I have a feeling that Germany is going to win but I wont be supporting the Germans either. Why? We've lost twice on penalty shoot outs to the Germans and it's not that I'M bitter or anything ........

Gail

No... of course you aren't... me neither!!! It's only a game, after all?

[Gailh]

No... of course you aren't... me neither!!! It's only a game, after all?

the late great Bill Shankley (manager of Liverpool) once said that "football isn't a matter of life and death - it's much more important than that!"

But it is only a game - nobody died. You'd think we English would be used to it by now! :laugh:

Gail

[Mari]

Over here, if you say "it's only a game" about football, most people will try to kill you ;) In the most cruel way.

Uh, I guess it's a Dutch expression that's hard to translate.

[shackin'up]

Won't go as far as Gerald though and actually support them :p

No yer right. I'm not proud of my posts here in this thread.

[shackin'up]

England won the World Cup when it was held in England in '66

Argentina won the World Cup when it was held in Argentina in '78

France won the World Cup when it was held in France in '98

So logically Germany will win it in Germany in '06

What a crap logic

what happened in '70, '82, '86 '90 '94 and 2002? The home countries did not win.

[madformac]

What a crap logic

what happened in '70, '82, '86 '90 '94 and 2002? The home countries did not win.

Well apart from 1990 the host countries were all crap. Then again who was it that won in '90?

Oh yes it was the Germans. (After they beat England on penalites as usual in the semi)

Who were the biggest underperformers of the '90 World Cup? Yup, the 1988 European Champions (they played in orange:nod: :p )

[shackin'up]

Well apart from 1990 the host countries were all crap. Then again who was it that won in '90?

Oh yes it was the Germans. (After they beat England on penalites as usual in the semi)

Who were the biggest underperformers of the '90 World Cup? Yup, the 1988 European Champions (they played in orange:nod: :p )


The logic was crap, that's all I said.

that last remark doesnot hurt at all. At least we won a tournament. The brits did too. in 66 and against the rules. we won with that incredible van bastengoal. something else.

[madformac]

The logic was crap, that's all I said.

that last remark doesnot hurt at all. At least we won a tournament. The brits did too. in 66 and against the rules. we won with that incredible van bastengoal. something else.

It wasn't supposed to hurt, its just true. I was amazed at what I thought was a pretty unbeatable team failing to live up to their skills. I wore a Holland 1988 shirt at school that year for sports and got the piss taken out of me during the world cup from my friends. I was gutted. Van Basten was an amazing striker and its a shame injuries really stopped him reaching his best. Gullit works for one of our TV stations and is no doubt commentating tonight. Bet he will be cheering for Italy.

[bretonbanquet]

Italy 2-0 Germany
Grosso 119"
Del Piero 120"

What a fantastic goal to win a fantastic game, and then comes another one!!

One of the most dramatic games I've seen in a long time. Italy had to avoid penalties, they knew they'd lose - and they had to wait till the very end to win it. Such a shame for Germany, they played incredibly well, especially Lehmann in goal. They've been great hosts, and it's a shame they're out, but Italy will make worthy finalists if they play like that in the final.

Maybe we'll get Italy-France in the final, like we should have had in '82... :nod:

[Für Elise]

:distress: I'll have to go for France now.

[tuigirl]

Good heavens Italy??? I just saw your post Breton! Who would have guessed that...hmmm...I'm revising my final then...Italy/France.

[Villavic]

I didn't see the end of the game but sure it was really exciting!!

[madformac]

Italy deserved the win. I thought they might be unlucky and lose on penalties after so many near misses but the right team won.

No doubt this backs up Gerald's opinion of my prediction as "crap" :laugh:

How about this one then :

Germany won in Italy in 1990

Italy win in Germany in 2006

:D :wavey:

[Serrart]

Not bad for a not very intimidating team. :D Great game, and we've been fantastic. I'm very happy for Alex Del Piero he needed to score, after been very heavily criticized here. One of the best aspects of the game was how the two teams have been correct.

By the way, I didn't know it was possible to whistle so loudly for 120 minutes.

Our players are saying they've not preferences for the final, but I think they would prefer France, to forget 1998 defeat.

Romy

[Gailh]

what a great game!

Well done to both sides.

Italy were everything that England weren't

Gail

[Street Angel]

Not bad for a not very intimidating team. :D

Yes, this team looks quite promising, in a few more years these young talents could become a force to be reckoned with. ;) That's enough, Romy - that's the second time my comment about "intimidating" teams is being referenced. :mad: :lol: I was talking about the psychological hurdle not about skills. So if we had played against Italy first and Argentina later then Italy would have been more intimidating. But nobody wants to understand that the way I meant it, of course! ;) And don't tell me you didn't mean me with your comment!! :mad: :laugh:

Great game, and we've been fantastic. I'm very happy for Alex Del Piero he needed to score, after been very heavily criticized here. One of the best aspects of the game was how the two teams have been correct.

Seriously, both teams were brilliant, and this was a great game to watch. And I agree, *this* is how you win/lose a game and finish it. So, congratulations Italy! However, it's time for a change of the rules, there's too much extra time. They should reduce it to 28 minutes - maximum ;)

[shackin'up]

It wasn't supposed to hurt, its just true. I was amazed at what I thought was a pretty unbeatable team failing to live up to their skills.

Totally true. It was a devastating waste of talent. The players wanted Cruijff as a coach because there were too many strong characters inside of the team. They needed a coach that automatically would place everyone in order just by his appearance and legend. The dutch FA played a political game by pointing out Beenhakker for the job and the team fell apart. Small disaster, since that was the most talented group we ever had. Shameful. Van Basten still doesn't want to talk about that WorldCup. Sorry 'bout your orange shirt-story. Have you ever wore it again?

[shackin'up]

They should reduce it to 28 minutes - maximum ;)

Well, reducing playtime would have not been good for the the legend of the team that statisticly scores the most in the last minutes of playtime. Germany.

OK. and Italy :lol:.

[madformac]

Sorry 'bout your orange shirt-story. Have you ever wore it again?

I wore it now and again. I loved the team and the shirt design. I don't think it would fit now.. I was 15 at the time and infinitely smaller than I am now. :blob2:

[DavidMn]

Although I was very dissapointed in the result yesterday, maybe the Germans good fortune had finally run out. I was very nervous after Italy missed those 2 chances early in overtime, and t turned out I was right. Congratulations to the Italians, you beat us fair and sqaure.:nod: I wish you luck in the final. I just noticed Zidane just scored on a penalty kick to put France up 1-0. I think a Italy/France final would be very interesting.

[bretonbanquet]

France 1-0 Portugal
Zidane 33 (pen.)

A tight game of pretty high quality, and I think the best team won. France sat back a lot in the second half, but they were able to hold on reasonably easily, not like when they played South Korea... Portugal had their chances right to the end - particularly a potentially huge mistake by Saha just before the final whistle - but nothing worked out for them. Also people were getting a bit hacked off with their perpetual diving. So, A France/Italy final - let's hope it's a good one :nod:

[DavidMn]

France 1-0 Portugal
Zidane 33 (pen.)

A tight game of pretty high quality, and I think the best team won. France sat back a lot in the second half, but they were able to hold on reasonably easily, not like when they played South Korea... Portugal had their chances right to the end - particularly a potentially huge mistake by Saha just before the final whistle - but nothing worked out for them. Also people were getting a bit hacked off with their perpetual diving. So, A France/Italy final - let's hope it's a good one :nod:Isnt Zidane's story, with this begin his final world cup and scoring the only goal in the match interesting? I think the Italy France final will be very interesting to watch!:nod:

[tuigirl]

Italy/France final ..ha...I shouldv'e taken a bet out at the beginning of the week!:laugh:

See, we all poo poo France for whatever reason (yes, I'm bad..) but at the end of the day, they (as a nation) have an undying belief, that they are the best and dammit, their sports teams (and some individuals) come up with the goods more ofen than not (even though it looked like an Henry dive to me) Zidane made sure it went in anyway ! So hats off to them for coming through, Portugal did well but it only takes that one "dodgy" penalty.Having said all that, just watching how well everyone played last night, showed me that England in no way could have gotten that far on the skills they had..PASSING and KEEPING the ball (with some sort of speed) are football basics and France and Portugal both had 'em in abundance..t'was a good match. I might even watch the final:)

[littlewolf]

i was surprised at how much france concentrated on defence
portugal played very well, after that penalty shot i hoped they would´ve scored equalizer and taken it to overtime.
both germany-portugal and italy-france will be great matches

[Gailh]

Italy/France final ..ha...I shouldv'e taken a bet out at the beginning of the week!:laugh:

See, we all poo poo France for whatever reason (yes, I'm bad..) but at the end of the day, they (as a nation) have an undying belief, that they are the best and dammit, their sports teams (and some individuals) come up with the goods more ofen than not (even though it looked like an Henry dive to me) Zidane made sure it went in anyway ! So hats off to them for coming through, Portugal did well but it only takes that one "dodgy" penalty.Having said all that, just watching how well everyone played last night, showed me that England in no way could have gotten that far on the skills they had..PASSING and KEEPING the ball (with some sort of speed) are football basics and France and Portugal both had 'em in abundance..t'was a good match. I might even watch the final:)

What a shame Portugal lost to a "dodgy" penalty. The biter bit!

Gail

[DavidMn]

I personally am very intrigued by the final machup. Two teams with good World Cup history that have never played each other in a final. :)

[tuigirl]

I personally am very intrigued by the final machup. Two teams with good World Cup history that have never played each other in a final. :)

I think they'll be quite evenly matched, so hopefully a good entertaining game.
littlewolf...to me defending and tackling by France were excellent, it can make all the difference to a team (take notice England!) passing and keeping are all good too:D

[amber]

Omigod! Did you see that save?! Fricking awesome.
Whew! Viva Italia!!!!

[amber]

Bye, Zidane, forever! Shouldn't head butt people. :cool:

[amber]

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VIVA ITALIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[bretonbanquet]

Italy 1 (5)
Materazzi 19
France 1 (3)
Zidane (pen) 7

Pirlo O
Materazzi O
De Rossi O
Del Piero O
Grosso O

Wiltord O
Trezeguet X
Abidal O
Sagnol O

Italy win the penalty shoot-out after Trezeguet misses his penalty. I think they just about deserved it, particularly after Zidane went nuts and head-butted Materazzi in the chest... Who knows what Materazzi said to Zidane to deserve that, but it must have upset him big time. Zidane had the chance to lift the World Cup in his last ever game, as one of the greatest players in the world, and he just momentarily lost his head and used it to get himself sent off. Very sad to be honest.

[Gailh]

What on earth came over Zidane?

What a prat!

After that little display I'm glad the Italians won!

Gail

[bretonbanquet]

What on earth came over Zidane?

What a prat!

After that little display I'm glad the Italians won!

Gail

Exactly - I was fairly neutral up until that point :woohoo:

[amber]

Exactly - I was fairly neutral up until that point :woohoo:
HAHAHA, I wonder what Matarazzi said? For some reason in the fray of the commentary I was under the impression that Matarazzi said something, but perhaps it was physical? Do you guys know? I woke up late and didn't see the whole game. The announcers said something about "going back and forth all match". :confused:
Even though Zidane did that, I would've rather seen such a great player go out better.

[madformac]

VIVA ITALIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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[tuigirl]

We were channel flipping, so we didn't see it all (I heard about the Zidane thing..what a wally) but ITALY...there you go! What a funny world cup, very unpredictable (well, not in Englands case!!!) it's been mostly enjoyable and given us all something to talk about these past couple of weeks :cool:

[Gailh]

I think Matarazzi must have said something to Zidane possible of a racist nature but still to react like that.

Gail

[DavidMn]

I felt the outcome of yesterdays game was entirely appropriate. First of all, that was a terrible call to allow the French penalty kick!:mad: That guy made a better dive than Greg Louganis!:laugh: If France would've won the game because of that goal it would have been a disgrace in my opinion. I wholeheartedly congratulate the Italians on their win. They have had some misfortune in cup final history( Roberto Baggio in '94) and they have triumphed over recent adversity in Italy because of the big scandal there. To see a team win with those obstacles facing them is always a good thing. It's what makes sports so much fun to watch. Italy, now you are alone in second place all time in cup victories with 4. Maybe My German team can tie you in 2010. We'el see.

[DavidMn]

More on the Penalty kick call. I find it deplorable that someone like whatever that guy's name was can dive and cause a kick that can totally change the face of a match.:mad: It's one of the things I really hate about soccer. I think there should be a system where a coach or someone could challenge a call so that the ref's would have to look at a replay. I mean if you're going to have something that momentous in a match at least make sure it's legtimate!:mad:

[bretonbanquet]

More on the Penalty kick call. I find it deplorable that someone like whatever that guy's name was can dive and cause a kick that can totally change the face of a match.:mad: It's one of the things I really hate about soccer. I think there should be a system where a coach or someone could challenge a call so that the ref's would have to look at a replay. I mean if you're going to have something that momentous in a match at least make sure it's legtimate!:mad:

A hell of a lot of football fans will agree with you there - almost everyone says that video evidence should be brought in to give a clearer view of contentious decisions like fouls in the penalty box, offsides, and arguments over whether or not the ball crossed the goal-line. So many bad decisions have changed so many big games.

But FIFA always say they'll only introduce new legislation that can be brought in at every level of the game, i.e. even at the lowest level. Football at the low levels can't afford to video everything, so that's where the thing breaks down. Until FIFA will accept a slight disparity in the rules between top level football and lower level, we will have this problem.

Likewise possible answers like having two referees, one in each half of the pitch. Lower level football has a problem finding one referee half the time, let alone two. FIFA is dedicated to supporting grass roots football, and wants the game to be exactly the same all over, whether it's a World Cup final or a fourth division game somewhere in the middle of Africa...

As for what Materazzi said to Zidane, I've heard that it could be anything from an insult aimed at Zidane's mother, a racial insult (Zidane has Algerian roots), or even some jibe at Muslims being terrorists... but Zidane has promised to explain soon :nod:

[DavidMn]

A hell of a lot of football fans will agree with you there - almost everyone says that video evidence should be brought in to give a clearer view of contentious decisions like fouls in the penalty box, offsides, and arguments over whether or not the ball crossed the goal-line. So many bad decisions have changed so many big games.

But FIFA always say they'll only introduce new legislation that can be brought in at every level of the game, i.e. even at the lowest level. Football at the low levels can't afford to video everything, so that's where the thing breaks down. Until FIFA will accept a slight disparity in the rules between top level football and lower level, we will have this problem.

Likewise possible answers like having two referees, one in each half of the pitch. Lower level football has a problem finding one referee half the time, let alone two. FIFA is dedicated to supporting grass roots football, and wants the game to be exactly the same all over, whether it's a World Cup final or a fourth division game somewhere in the middle of Africa...

As for what Materazzi said to Zidane, I've heard that it could be anything from an insult aimed at Zidane's mother, a racial insult (Zidane has Algerian roots), or even some jibe at Muslims being terrorists... but Zidane has promised to explain soon :nod:I feel for Zidane in a way, but someone with his exerience especially should be able to rise above with what was on the line.

[bretonbanquet]

I feel for Zidane in a way, but someone with his exerience especially should be able to rise above with what was on the line.

Yup - I thought that too, especially considering he's had to put up with this kind of thing throughout his whole career. Some people say it was becasue he was tired and over-sensitive given the huge occasion - others say that it was exactly because it was his last game and the last chance to answer all those insults in the way he really wanted to. He does have a bit of a history of being a bit violent - he's no stranger to being sent off.

[DavidMn]

Yup - I thought that too, especially considering he's had to put up with this kind of thing throughout his whole career. Some people say it was becasue he was tired and over-sensitive given the huge occasion - others say that it was exactly because it was his last game and the last chance to answer all those insults in the way he really wanted to. He does have a bit of a history of being a bit violent - he's no stranger to being sent off.Hmm interesting. Werent you happy though for Italy? I mean with Baggio in 1994 and the scandal going on there now, for them to win it was really nice to see I thought.:nod:

[Gailh]

I feel for Zidane in a way, but someone with his exerience especially should be able to rise above with what was on the line.

Yes he should be able to rise above it but it must be difficult at times.

the Italian and Spanish game is rife with racism.

When England played Spain at Real Madrid's ground the black English players were subjected to monkey chants every time they touched the ball. The spanish manager Aragones called Tierry Henry a "black ****"

The fans of some Italian clubs (Lazio) are openly racist.

Paulo di Canio was photographed giving a nazi salute after one game!

Zidane shouldn't have done what he did. He should have left it at the time and then after the game (if the insult was racist) show up Matarazzi for what he said

Gail

[DavidMn]

Yes he should be able to rise above it but it must be difficult at times.

the Italian and Spanish game is rife with racism.

When England played Spain at Real Madrid's ground the black English players were subjected to monkey chants every time they touched the ball. The spanish manager Aragones called Tierry Henry a "black ****"

The fans of some Italian clubs (Lazio) are openly racist.

Paulo di Canio was photographed giving a nazi salute after one game!

Zidane shouldn't have done what he did. He should have left it at the time and then after the game (if the insult was racist) show up Matarazzi for what he said

GailI remember a piece on a sports channel here that talked about the racist element and how they hoped it wouldnt rear its head during the World Cup.

[bretonbanquet]

Hmm interesting. Werent you happy though for Italy? I mean with Baggio in 1994 and the scandal going on there now, for them to win it was really nice to see I thought.:nod:

I was definitely happy for Italy. It was the first final in ages that I didn't mind who won. By the end I was rooting for Italy - they were robbed in 2002, and they had bad luck as you say in '94, so their win was just fine by me.

I agree with Gail that it would have been better for Zidane to find Materazzi behind the scenes somewhere and deal with him then - but maybe he wanted everyone to see it all?

[DavidMn]

I was definitely happy for Italy. It was the first final in ages that I didn't mind who won. By the end I was rooting for Italy - they were robbed in 2002, and they had bad luck as you say in '94, so their win was just fine by me.

I agree with Gail that it would have been better for Zidane to find Materazzi behind the scenes somewhere and deal with him then - but maybe he wanted everyone to see it all?Here's another thing to think about. He did lead France to a victory in 1998, and that was secure no matter what happened. Perhaps he wouldve thought differently if France hadnt won before?

[bretonbanquet]

Here's another thing to think about. He did lead France to a victory in 1998, and that was secure no matter what happened. Perhaps he wouldve thought differently if France hadnt won before?

That may well be true - you must definitely have a different attitude if you've won it before. That might be why all of us armchair fans are amazed that he did it.

[DavidMn]

That may well be true - you must definitely have a different attitude if you've won it before. That might be why all of us armchair fans are amazed that he did it.I wont harp on this anymore after this post but back to the Penalty Kick situation one more time. Look at how Australia lost in the round of 16. And I'm sure there's been signifigant matches in World Cup and otherwise that have been decided on a bad call like that.

[bretonbanquet]

I wont harp on this anymore after this post but back to the Penalty Kick situation one more time. Look at how Australia lost in the round of 16. And I'm sure there's been signifigant matches in World Cup and otherwise that have been decided on a bad call like that.

Yeah, only thing is - that was a good call :laugh: at least I think it was. The referee had no choice but to give the penalty in that instance.

[Serrart]

Yes he should be able to rise above it but it must be difficult at times.

the Italian and Spanish game is rife with racism.

When England played Spain at Real Madrid's ground the black English players were subjected to monkey chants every time they touched the ball. The spanish manager Aragones called Tierry Henry a "black ****"

The fans of some Italian clubs (Lazio) are openly racist.

Paulo di Canio was photographed giving a nazi salute after one game!

Zidane shouldn't have done what he did. He should have left it at the time and then after the game (if the insult was racist) show up Matarazzi for what he said

Gail

That's not really true. But I think soccer can bring out some of the worst feelings and that a lot of team fans all over the world (including Great Britain) have racist elements between them.

About many Lazio fans (not all), more than nazists, between them there are ignorant idiots nostalgic for fascism, in fact Di Canio is a Mussolini admirer and what he did wasn't a nazi but a fascist salute, that by the way in Italy is a crime to do.

About Zidane, players of every nationality say every sort of violent things on the field, only to have that kind of reactions from the opponents. The professionism of a player should be in doing the right thing. When Totti, at the European Championship spit on a Danish player, in Italy he was unanimously condemned for his gesture, nobody found excuses for him in what the Danish player told before being hit. They're paid millions of Euros also to behave responsibly. I think Zidane just lost his head, it happened to him before in critical moments.

Romy

[amber]

^^^^ good insights, thank you. Now where's your "Viva Italia!"? :wavey:

[Serrart]

^^^^ good insights, thank you. Now where's your "Viva Italia!"? :wavey:

Since some days have passed and you had already celebrated on the forum I thought to be late to cheer also here after the huge collective party we had after the match and yesterday when the team arrived... But since you ask:

PO PO PO PO PO PO PO PO PO PO PO PO PO PO PO!

(That's what we've been singing all the time on a brazilian tune)


ITALIA CAMPIONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and like it was written on a Sign:

E adesso ridateci la Gioconda!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(And now give us Back Gioconda! :thumbsup: )

That's just a small bite to what we have done in Italy these days, you should have been here Amber, we had a lot of fun!

Romy

[amber]

:D :D :D

God, I wish I had been there. It was rad after the game and they showed some streets in Italy where everyone was going nutso. :woohoo: :woohoo:

P.S. Italian is so pretty.