Please Sign Petition AGAINST Federal Marriage Amendment

[SuzeQuze]

I'm so furious about this rediculousness. Please see Kennedy's letter below.

http://www.tedkennedy.com/RejectTheFMA

[from Ted Kennedy] With sinking polls and the upcoming election staring at them, the Republican leadership in Congress is about to pander to its extremist base again. Afraid of losing their lock on power, the GOP is reviving its effort to write bigotry into our Constitution by passing their so-called Federal Marriage Amendment, which would strip millions of lesbian and gay Americans of a basic human right.

Their political pandering is shameless, desperate, and appallingly predictable, and you and I can stop it.

http://www.tedkennedy.com/RejectTheFMA

The goal of the Republican Federal Marriage Amendment is to repeal civil unions and domestic partnership laws now in place in many states. It would block states and municipalities -- including Massachusetts -- from treating lesbian and gay couples fairly. It would force a policy of bigotry on all of us, and deny states the right to interpret their own constitutions and laws.

Our Constitution is a living document that enables all Americans to live freely in a democratic society. It's not a political device to deny or restrict any one's basic rights. But that's exactly how Republicans -- in the White House and Congress -- are attempting to use it. It's wrong for them to play politics with the Constitution and try to stoke fear and intolerance as a way to preserve their dwindling power.

Please stand with me against this shameful bigotry. Tell the Republican leadership to start dealing with the real issues confronting us, such as national security, the war in Iraq, and urgent domestic issues such as jobs, health care, and education. Tell them you reject their divisive Federal Marriage Amendment. Join me today:

http://www.tedkennedy.com/RejectTheFMA

Until now, the task of regulating marriage has been left where it belongs -- with the states. In fact, a number of states have had intense debates about the issue in recent years. Americans from Alabama, South Carolina, Wisconsin and many other states have grappled with the basic question: why not permit all Americans to have fair treatment under the tax laws, share insurance coverage, and visit their most loved ones in the hospital?

I'm proud that Massachusetts has led the way toward marriage equality. We recognize that being part of a family is a basic right and that government should do all it can to support and promote families.

Marriage is best defined as a shared commitment for the future -- a pledge to share in life's celebrations, burdens, and triumphs. Lesbian and gay couples face the same challenges that all American families face and they deserve our protection and respect.

Together, we can prove to the Republican leadership that we stand united against their effort to divide our country. Their pathetic pandering is no excuse for their lack of leadership.

Join me today, and preserve our Constitution as a document that unites -- not divides.

Say no to the Federal Marriage Amendment:

http://www.tedkennedy.com/RejectTheFMA

Thank you, as always, for your support.

Sincerely,

Senator Edward M. Kennedy

[DrummerDeanna]

Ugh, I am just sick about the ressurection of this issue :distress: Sadly, my job prohibits me from taking any sort of political action...I can't sign any petitions or anything :(

[SuzeQuze]

Ugh, I am just sick about the ressurection of this issue :distress: Sadly, my job prohibits me from taking any sort of political action...I can't sign any petitions or anything :(

Dammit! That must be hard to do sometimes.

[irishgrl]

I'm so furious about this rediculousness. Please see Kennedy's letter below.

done. I sent a blister, as I always do :nod:

[BTFLCHLD]

:thumbsup: Thanks for posting Suze.

[becca]

As a 'homosexualist' sympathesizer I'd sign in a minute if I were a U.S. citizen. Anyone remember that moment in history when the 'neo-con' ditto heads coined that term 'homosexualist' and were bandying it about? It was supposed to reflect their 'fact' that gay people were choosing some lifestyle just to annoy everyone else, and I'm sure they would know so much more about these things than homosexual people themselves!

Well, the way my mind works I'd probably sign as Mary-Jo Kopechke, but trust me, when they start building the camps I will be writing some heated letters! In the meanwhile how about sending your 'land of the free' sign up here for safe keeping?

One step forward and two steps back, this kind of dance can never last.

Real gone...

[estranged4life]

but I absolutely HATE Ted Kennedy.

[irishgrl]

but I absolutely HATE Ted Kennedy.
and thats relevant WHY?

[estranged4life]

and thats relevant WHY?

relevant did I?

[irishgrl]

As a 'homosexualist' sympathesizer I'd sign in a minute if I were a U.S. citizen. Anyone remember that moment in history when the 'neo-con' ditto heads coined that term 'homosexualist' and were bandying it about? It was supposed to reflect their 'fact' that gay people were choosing some lifestyle just to annoy everyone else, and I'm sure they would know so much more about these things than homosexual people themselves!

Well, the way my mind works I'd probably sign as Mary-Jo Kopechke, but trust me, when they start building the camps I will be writing some heated letters! In the meanwhile how about sending your 'land of the free' sign up here for safe keeping?

One step forward and two steps back, this kind of dance can never last.

Real gone...

baby steps my friend, baby steps. any motion in the right (thinking) direction is never wasted :nod:

[irishgrl]

relevant did I?
not from where Im sitting? :shrug:

EDIT: oops, forgot you like to tie in your subject line with your post......at any rate, no, you never said it was relevant, but I would hope that wouldnt stop you from signing the petition even if Kennedy IS the author????

[estranged4life]

not from where Im sitting? :shrug:

to each their own :thumbsup:

Spelling still sucks ass, Not as much as the Talking Burning Biblical Shrub (Thank God for the mute button!)

[irishgrl]

to each there own :thumbsup:


its "their" but go ahead on my friend! :thumbsup:

ps: please see my earlier edit. it may clear up the misunderstanding (I hope)

[DrummerDeanna]

Dammit! That must be hard to do sometimes.


It's WAY hard, especially in today's climate. It's so hard that I've actually considered a change in career :laugh:

[GypsySorcerer]

its "their" but go ahead on my friend! :thumbsup:

ps: please see my earlier edit. it may clear up the misunderstanding (I hope)

Actually, it's it's too. :shrug:

[irishgrl]

Actually, it's it's too. :shrug:

you may have a point but I think a spelling (thus context) error is a bit more egregious than a missing apostrophe. sorry!
I guess its FUNNY if you remember (much less "get") anything...........:nod:

[estranged4life]

Actually, it's it's too. :shrug:

"it's it...What is it?"-"Epic" by Faith No More

[irishgrl]

"it's it...What is it?"-"Epic" by Faith No More

OK OK you win!

[estranged4life]

OK OK you win!

it was a competition...I'll concede to ya this time :nod:

[irishgrl]

it was a competition...I'll concede to ya this time :nod:

crap, now Im confused!

[estranged4life]

crap, now Im confused!

you win the argument and I lost...How confusing is that? See, not that hard :nod:

[amber]

Actually, it's it's too. :shrug:

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:


God, that is so funny to me. That happened to Homer a couple weeks ago. See? it's so funny I remember the incidents!!!

[irishgrl]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:


God, that is so funny to me. That happened to Homer a couple weeks ago. See? it's so funny I remember the incidents!!!
How classic that you can chortle over *this* relatively minor event, yet flounder in delicious STUPIDITY over Nancy's joke? Im SO impressed (NOT) with your intellect AMber, I cant even contain my admiration........(again......NOT)

[GypsySorcerer]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

God, that is so funny to me. That happened to Homer a couple weeks ago.
I'm a whore for correct grammar. :laugh:

See? it's so funny I remember the incidents!!!
There's that Cancerian memory!

[irishgrl]

I'm a whore for correct grammar. :laugh:


There's that Cancerian memory!

which is, unfortunately, selective in nature.......

[DavidMn]

Done on my end.:)

[irishgrl]

Done on my end.:)
Nah, we still need you for a sense of normalcy :nod:

[DavidMn]

Nah, we still need you for a sense of normalcy :nod:
Oh I just meant I signed the petition.:cool:

[irishgrl]

Oh I just meant I signed the petition.:cool:


CRAP! I forgot what I was going to say!

[GypsySorcerer]

I guess its FUNNY if you remember (much less "get") anything...........:nod:

Ummmmm. Okay. Thanks.

[DavidMn]

CRAP! I forgot what I was going to say!DOOHHHH. BRAIN FREEZE.:laugh:

[irishgrl]

DOOHHHH. BRAIN FREEZE.:laugh:


I think NOT! Ive been multi-tasking now for FAR too long! its time I coasted. yesssssss.

[DavidMn]

I think NOT! Ive been multi-tasking now for FAR too long! its time I coasted. yesssssss.See, if I was a moderator, youd've gotten 2 strikes for that indiscretion.:lol:

[estranged4life]

I think NOT! Ive been multi-tasking now for FAR too long! its time I coasted. yesssssss.

too many tasks and not enough attention for said tasks.

[snowman]

I am not a Bush fan. But I don't believe gay marriage should considered a recognized institution. Should this become a constitution ammendment?- no. Am I a gay hater?-no. But homosexuality is an anomoly(sp) it is not the norm. Gay marriage does allow for equality, recognition, security, etc but there is one very fundemental issue that needs to be understood:

If same sex marriages were the norm- if we all were married to the same sex- our hereditary line would vanish. We could not develop offspring. We as human beings would vanish. Those that favor gay marriage are only looking at the human rights issue. I am pointing out the evolutuonary isse.

I have presented my opinions on this issue before, and received a ton of critcism, as would be expected I'll receive it again.

There are alot of great people in here, gay and srtaight. My intention is not to create anger, but to present an opposing view.

[irishgrl]

too many tasks and not enough attention for said tasks.
UM........have I neglected anything??? I dont think so........

[estranged4life]

UM........have I neglected anything??? I dont think so........

just trying to be friendly and agree with you about multi-tasking is all.

[DavidMn]

Time to kiss and make up now.:laugh:

[irishgrl]

just trying to be friendly and agree with you about multi-tasking is all.

GAD! you're hard to follow.......:wavey:

[estranged4life]

GAD! you're hard to follow.......:wavey:

at all. I agree with you, ok? You won the argument, ok? Need I say more? No. :wavey:

[irishgrl]

at all. I agree with you, ok? You won the argument, ok? Need I say more? No. :wavey:

Um, OK, not sure how I did it but I'll take your word for it........

[Brwn_eyes0511]

i would sign it.. but i actually have to go to tedkennedy.com to do so.. :eek:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I am pointing out the evolutuonary isse.



I didn't realize the entire human population was gay..

[DavidMn]

I didn't realize the entire human population was gay..God I hope they're not! or else how would we breed more hot men for our pleasure?:lol:

[Sugar]

I am not a Bush fan. But I don't believe gay marriage should considered a recognized institution. Should this become a constitution ammendment?- no. Am I a gay hater?-no. But homosexuality is an anomoly(sp) it is not the norm. Gay marriage does allow for equality, recognition, security, etc but there is one very fundemental issue that needs to be understood:

If same sex marriages were the norm- if we all were married to the same sex- our hereditary line would vanish. We could not develop offspring. We as human beings would vanish. Those that favor gay marriage are only looking at the human rights issue. I am pointing out the evolutuonary isse.


Are you under the impression that by recognizing gay marriage, suddenly the majority of people will turn gay, marry into these barren unions, thereby putting the continuation of the species in jeopardy?
Because if that's not what you think then I'm not sure why you oppose recognizing gay marriage, given your post.

[irishgrl]

AT LAST!
you finally admit you need straight men and women to do your dirty work!

[DavidMn]

I am not a Bush fan. But I don't believe gay marriage should considered a recognized institution. Should this become a constitution ammendment?- no. Am I a gay hater?-no. But homosexuality is an anomoly(sp) it is not the norm. Gay marriage does allow for equality, recognition, security, etc but there is one very fundemental issue that needs to be understood:

If same sex marriages were the norm- if we all were married to the same sex- our hereditary line would vanish. We could not develop offspring. We as human beings would vanish. Those that favor gay marriage are only looking at the human rights issue. I am pointing out the evolutuonary isse.

I have presented my opinions on this issue before, and received a ton of critcism, as would be expected I'll receive it again.

There are alot of great people in here, gay and srtaight. My intention is not to create anger, but to present an opposing view.Fair enough. You're more than entitled to it.:nod:

[irishgrl]

Again, I LOVE you my friend :nod:

[DavidMn]

Again, I LOVE you my friend :nod:I mean it is a free country. If we took away everyone's right to think differently than we do, where would we be?:cool:

[irishgrl]

Are you under the impression that by recognizing gay marriage, suddenly the majority of people will turn gay, marry into these barren unions, thereby putting the continuation of the species in jeopardy?
Because if that's not what you think then I'm not sure why you oppose recognizing gay marriage, given your post.


while I agree with most of what you have to say, I have to point out that SEX and MARRIAGE are two different concepts. you can beget children only thru SEX. you might be able go codify "marriage" but you cant change the facts of SEX. it takes male/female to have sex and create offspring, but you can have any type of "marriage" situation you want.....

[strandinthewind]

I am not a Bush fan. But I don't believe gay marriage should considered a recognized institution. Should this become a constitution ammendment?- no. Am I a gay hater?-no. But homosexuality is an anomoly(sp) it is not the norm. Gay marriage does allow for equality, recognition, security, etc but there is one very fundemental issue that needs to be understood:

If same sex marriages were the norm- if we all were married to the same sex- our hereditary line would vanish. We could not develop offspring. We as human beings would vanish. Those that favor gay marriage are only looking at the human rights issue. I am pointing out the evolutuonary isse.

I have presented my opinions on this issue before, and received a ton of critcism, as would be expected I'll receive it again.

There are alot of great people in here, gay and srtaight. My intention is not to create anger, but to present an opposing view.

With all due respect (and I have it for you :wavey: ) - the proposed marriage amendments at the Federal level and the state levels have nothing to do with the continuation of the human species. After all, marriage is a man made institution and nature indicates humans can procreate without it :shrug: So, if government sanctioning of marriage of any type ceased to exist, people could still get married and have kids or have them as a single parent. That will never change.

So, the premise of your argument is specious as it pertains to the amendments.

What these amendments are about is promoting one religion over another, which, as an unmarried American who pays the same taxes, does not sit well with me. Sadly, many cannot see it that way. They think that people can just contract into the same rights automatically given to married people and that is just false.

In the end, I wish you could see that it is not about procreation, etc., but the rights given to one group over another.

Put it this way, how would you feel if the tables were turned and you saw all these people getting Federal and State benefits you could not get just because of your religious beliefs. I'd be pissed :shrug:

Tone is hard to tell from the written word - so here is mine - respectful and educational :wavey:

[strandinthewind]

I didn't realize the entire human population was gay..

You wish you whore :p :p :p :p

[irishgrl]

You wish you whore :p :p :p :p

shouldnt you be renting a balloon about now? GAWD knows we need to get away...

[Sugar]

while I agree with most of what you have to say, I have to point out that SEX and MARRIAGE are two different concepts. you can beget children only thru SEX. you might be able go codify "marriage" but you cant change the facts of SEX. it takes male/female to have sex and create offspring, but you can have any type of "marriage" situation you want.....

Well, I was first just trying to figure out how this argument works.

I'm not exactly sure what your point is...:confused: Of course sex and marriage are different.

[strandinthewind]

shouldnt you be renting a balloon about now? GAWD knows we need to get away...

Lord Child - I have enough hot air in me to float it!!!!!! :D

[DavidMn]

Lord Child - I have enough hot air in me to float it!!!!!! :DSpeaking of air, or lack theirof, my friend told me he was going to a penis-pumping party. I was like what the hell is that, and whehe told me I thought, jeez what size queens these people must be.:lol:

[irishgrl]

Well, I was first just trying to figure out how this argument works.

I'm not exactly sure what your point is...:confused: Of course sex and marriage are different.

look........it isnt MY argument, its a GOP argument.......as if GAY relationships somehow invalidated the human condition~ when as we all know, you cant have children without a male/female component........

but, if you pay attention to GOP propaganda, the GAYS are ruining this country (how???? I dont know....)

frankly, its all a political ruse to get the doofuses riled up. nothing else seems to do it quite like the prospect of GAY *anything*.......

[strandinthewind]

Well, I was first just trying to figure out how this argument works.

I'm not exactly sure what your point is...:confused: Of course sex and marriage are different.

Exaclty - so why do the Fed. Govt. and the state govts. have to sanction it in any way. Why can't you just marry as many or whatever you want and draw up your own contracts to leave them your property. Also, if I as one male on hundreds of millions do not procreate, there is no harm to society because many others will. I mean women past menopause marry all the time - surely that is not about procreation, but sex and commitment, which they can get through their church. Why does the govt. at any level have to give them rights above others?

I will never get it is about anything other than the promotion of one religion over another. Sadly, people just cannot make that connection. Maybe it is because so many of us come from the norm of a married home?

[irishgrl]

Lord Child - I have enough hot air in me to float it!!!!!! :D


therefore, we need to go bye bye......yes?:cool:

[strandinthewind]

therefore, we need to go bye bye......yes?:cool:

Yep!!!!!

Sadly, I have to settle for Cincinatti for the next few days :mad:

[Sugar]

frankly, its all a political ruse to get the doofuses riled up. nothing else seems to do it quite like the prospect of GAY *anything*.......



Yep. It's been made into this horrid boogeyman. Amazing.

[irishgrl]

I will never get it is about anything other than the promotion of one religion over another. Sadly, people just cannot make that connection. Maybe it is because so many of us come from the norm of a married home?

you dont have to "get" anything. that IS what it is about. and why some people feel threatened by same sex anything is beyond me/

[irishgrl]

Yep. It's been made into this horrid boogeyman. Amazing.
if you "see" that, then you "see" it all. and good for you. :]

[strandinthewind]

you dont have to "get" anything. that IS what it is about. and why some people feel threatened by same sex anything is beyond me/

And - I'll even take it further - if you want to marry eight guys and bang all of them - more power to you. Why do I give a flying fukc if you do that. Yet, the busy bodies cannot abide that. They want everyone to be like them - and "them" is a wide variety of definitions mind you.

Also, many of these very same people I see, follow no other aspect of The Bible. So, why assert this one as the absolute?

[estranged4life]

I mean it is a free country. If we took away everyone's right to think differently than we do, where would we be?:cool:

France??? "Stinky pits and all baby..."

A few years ago Oklahoma had a statewide vote on defining that marriage is only between a man and a woman.

Of course it passed by a wide margin (In the town we live in, Only 17 people out of 1100 voted against the law-Deb & myself were 2 of the 17...Strangely the lottery law on the same ballot passed :shrug: ), But what those who voted in favor of the measure didnt realize by reading the complete law (Which was online because both Deb & myself read it aloud) is that now even if a man and woman, who were living together unmaried for years upon years, is that the state will now not see them as married via "common law". So in a weird way those who oppose the law shot themselve in their own foot and/or asses.

I think gays/lesbians should be allowed to marry...Who says falling in love and wanting to spend a life together is strictly for us heteroes (Probably mispelled that one)???

[GateandGarden]

I am not a Bush fan. But I don't believe gay marriage should considered a recognized institution. Should this become a constitution ammendment?- no. Am I a gay hater?-no. But homosexuality is an anomoly(sp) it is not the norm. Gay marriage does allow for equality, recognition, security, etc but there is one very fundemental issue that needs to be understood:

If same sex marriages were the norm- if we all were married to the same sex- our hereditary line would vanish. We could not develop offspring. We as human beings would vanish. Those that favor gay marriage are only looking at the human rights issue. I am pointing out the evolutuonary isse.

I have presented my opinions on this issue before, and received a ton of critcism, as would be expected I'll receive it again.

There are alot of great people in here, gay and srtaight. My intention is not to create anger, but to present an opposing view.I figure if we're going on this type of logic, we could reasonably ban heterosexual marriages as well, since it appears that the world is woefully overpopulated and the only way I can see to rectify that would be to discourage reproduction. And yet, I doubt that would have any effect whatsoever, as people would reproduce invariably (intentionally or unintentionally) whether or not the government chose to recognize their unions.

[irishgrl]

I figure if we're going on this type of logic, we could reasonably ban heterosexual marriages as well, since it appears that the world is woefully overpopulated and the only way I can see to rectify that would be to discourage reproduction. And yet, I doubt that would have any effect whatsoever, as people would reproduce invariably (intentionally or unintentionally) whether or not the government chose to recognize their unions.

which only serves to highlight the hypocricy of this administration............:shrug:

[Sugar]

Exaclty - so why do the Fed. Govt. and the state govts. have to sanction it in any way. Why can't you just marry as many or whatever you want and draw up your own contracts to leave them your property. Also, if I as one male on hundreds of millions do not procreate, there is no harm to society because many others will. I mean women past menopause marry all the time - surely that is not about procreation, but sex and commitment, which they can get through their church. Why does the govt. at any level have to give them rights above others?

I know where you stand on this, but I think it's just dandy to "sanction marriage"; I think there's plenty to be said for governments encouraging and yes, even rewarding families for forming and producing the next generation. I mean...it's in the best interest of a society to always have someone around to push around the wheelchairs and pay Social Security and stuff like that. But I also think there are a lot more families that deserve that recognition than are currently getting it.

Until I hear someone say they want to put a law on the books that prosecutes women for not having children, I don't want to hear any more of this "continuation of the species" crap. Some people, gay and straight, don't have kids. Some people, gay and straight, do. You can't legislate on that basis at all IMO based on that whole pesky "freedom" thing..

[BombaySapphire3]

If same sex marriages were the norm- if we all were married to the same sex- our hereditary line would vanish. We could not develop offspring. We as human beings would vanish. Those that favor gay marriage are only looking at the human rights issue. I am pointing out the evolutuonary isse.
.
hmmm the last time I noticed the earth was becoming way overpopulated anyway .If we could decrease human procreation by even 20% or so it would go a long way to protracting the existence of the human race if that is your concern .Our finite resources would last longer .I really can't see everyone deciding to go gay just because gay marriage was legal.Do you really think Bush is pushing the amendment because he is afraid if same sex marriage becomes legal he might feel compelled to dumb Laura and marry Dick Cheney?:laugh:

[estranged4life]

he is afraid if same sex marriage becomes legal he might fell compelled to dumb Laura and marry Dick Cheney?:laugh:

cause wouldnt Cheney just go Elmer Fudd on Bush and wax him???

[GypsySorcerer]

I figure if we're going on this type of logic, we could reasonably ban heterosexual marriages as well, since it appears that the world is woefully overpopulated and the only way I can see to rectify that would be to discourage reproduction. And yet, I doubt that would have any effect whatsoever, as people would reproduce invariably (intentionally or unintentionally) whether or not the government chose to recognize their unions.

And with that logic, couples who choose not to have children also shouldn't marry.

[strandinthewind]

I know where you stand on this, but I think it's just dandy to "sanction marriage"; I think there's plenty to be said for governments encouraging and yes, even rewarding families for forming and producing the next generation. I mean...it's in the best interest of a society to always have someone around to push around the wheelchairs and pay Social Security and stuff like that. But I also think there are a lot more families that deserve that recognition than are currently getting it . . . .

I do not necessarily disagree with the sanctioning of marriage. However, I think it should be all versions of it, and that is waaaaayyyy too radical for most people :laugh: But, I agree with ya in spirit!!!!!

[estranged4life]

And with that logic, couples who choose not to have children also shouldn't marry.

there's goes my 13 years marriage down the drain :shrug: :lol:

[strandinthewind]

there's goes my 13 years marriage down the drain :shrug: :lol:

AND - yet Deb is da bomb anyway!!!!!!!!! :nod:

[estranged4life]

AND - yet Deb is da bomb anyway!!!!!!!!! :nod:

she is.

Brian "No children for us....cause otherwise we'd have to share our toys with 'em :lol: "j.

[Johnny Stew]

if you pay attention to GOP propaganda, the GAYS are ruining this countryI still want to know why none of them are upset about the divorce rate among heterosexual couples. Talk about ruining the sanctity of marriage.

The fact of the matter is that the Religious Right feels that they have the "Word of God" on their side, when they really have no such thing.

[GateandGarden]

And with that logic, couples who choose not to have children also shouldn't marry.Good point!

[strandinthewind]

. . . The fact of the matter is that the Religious Right feels that they have the "Word of God" on their side, when they really have no such thing.

AND - Jesus lead by example, not bullying people.

[SuzeQuze]

Yep!!!!!

Sadly, I have to settle for Cincinatti for the next few days :mad:

At least there are wicked smaht people there!

[snowman]

Well, this went better than I anticipated. Thank you all for the contructive remarks.

My point is so simple, I guess many are reading too much into it. Simply put, in the very beginning of time if all.... robins were to take a same sex mate, there would be no robins today. That's all...

[Johnny Stew]

My point is so simple, I guess many are reading too much into it. Simply put, in the very beginning of time if all.... robins were to take a same sex mate, there would be no robins today. That's all...True enough -- but allowing gay marriage isn't going to stop straight marriages or end procreation as we know it. So I don't understand why anyone would be against it.

[SuzeQuze]

I still want to know why none of them are upset about the divorce rate among heterosexual couples. Talk about ruining the sanctity of marriage.

The fact of the matter is that the Religious Right feels that they have the "Word of God" on their side, when they really have no such thing.

Or the fact that affordable child care is non-existent. And working mothers still have to battle their bosses to take care of their children.

[GateandGarden]

My point is so simple, I guess many are reading too much into it. Simply put, in the very beginning of time if all.... robins were to take a same sex mate, there would be no robins today. That's all...I understand that point. But it's impossible, and that is one of the many reasons why I love diversity.

I'm also not seeing the relevance your point has to our society. We're talking about a hypothetical situation concerning the beginning of life on this planet. What does that have to do with an FMA in 2006?

Also, do you really think that some (if not many) of those robins wouldn't reproduce? You're not addressing what others have said so far in this thread--that gay people have children just as straight people do.

[Sugar]

True enough -- but allowing gay marriage isn't going to stop straight marriages or end procreation as we know it. So I don't understand why anyone would be against it.

Exactly. It's true you need a girl robin and a boy robin to make a baby robin, but how is that an argument against the US government recognizing gay marriage?

[Johnny Stew]

Or the fact that affordable child care is non-existent. And working mothers still have to battle their bosses to take care of their children.You are absolutely right. There are so many thousands of things that our politicians (and we as citizens) should be concerned about and working to fix. No one needs to be wasting time sticking their noses into someone else's lovelife.

[SuzeQuze]

You are absolutely right. There are so many thousands of things that our politicians (and we as citizens) should be concerned about and working to fix. No one needs to be wasting time sticking their noses into someone else's lovelife.

Which is pretty much what I put on this petition. I mean really, you have to be f*cking kidding me with this nonsense in 2006? It's freaking crazy.

[DestinyRules]

I wrote an editorial for this week's Prince George's Sentinel in which I condemn this attack on the rights of the gay community. The good thing is I'm the managing editor of the paper, so I know it's going to run.

It's not much, but at least I'm getting something off my chest.

[SuzeQuze]

I wrote an editorial for this week's Prince George's Sentinel in which I condemn this attack on the rights of the gay community. The good thing is I'm the managing editor of the paper, so I know it's going to run.

It's not much, but at least I'm getting something off my chest.

Nicely done! I think writing and talking about it are the best actions we can take.

[estranged4life]

Which is pretty much what I put on this petition. I mean really, you have to be f*cking kidding me with this nonsense in 2006? It's freaking crazy.

with the desparation some will take to try to turn the tide going into a major loss in upcoming elections.

[BTFLCHLD]

Lord Child - I have enough hot air in me to float it!!!!!! :D No kidding. :D

[SuzeQuze]

with the desparation some will take to try to turn the tide going into a major loss in upcoming elections.

Yes, a grab at power. I don't think they give a rat's ass who gets married they just know that it is an attention grabber to put this thing out there and that a lot of Christian fundies will vote for it without a second thought.

[strandinthewind]

At least there are wicked smaht people there!

At least my hotel is across the street from Sak's :thumbsup:

[BTFLCHLD]

At least my hotel is across the street from Sak's :thumbsup: and you're @ The Ledge because? :confused: Shouldn't you be in bed?

[strandinthewind]

Well, this went better than I anticipated. Thank you all for the contructive remarks.

My point is so simple, I guess many are reading too much into it. Simply put, in the very beginning of time if all.... robins were to take a same sex mate, there would be no robins today. That's all...

True - no one is agruing against that. In fact, I think everyone agrees with that. I think the thing people are saying is that is an example not based in reality because the reality is straight people, gay people, non reproductive straight people, reproductive gay people, etc.. all are on this planet. So, there is going to be reproduction no matter if the automatic govt. sanctioned benefots are made available to all. So, the no reproduction point is a red herring in this argument.

[strandinthewind]

Yes, a grab at power. I don't think they give a rat's ass who gets married they just know that it is an attention grabber to put this thing out there and that a lot of Christian fundies will vote for it without a second thought.

Bush is such a sad sack of shiitte - he and his cronies cannot win on any legitimate issue because pretty much everything W and his adminsitration have done has failed to reach any promised expectation or failed altogether. So, they pick on fags - nice and certainly very Christian :rolleyes:

[strandinthewind]

and you're @ The Ledge because? :confused: Shouldn't you be in bed?

LOL - I leave tommorow and am packing.

[estranged4life]

LOL - I leave tommorow and am packing.

and cities whose baseball teams suck? The Braves & the Reds...yuck!!!

[BTFLCHLD]

LOL - I leave tommorow and am packing. Tell us what is in your suitcase...boxers or breifs? :p

[Brwn_eyes0511]

it really has to do with it being recognized as an institution.. that is, marriage in general, and the benefits that come with it! how about this.. If the state no longer endorses only certain marriages as legitimate, there is no inequality for anyone.. period. in other words.. government involvement in ANY marriage should be done away with.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

You wish you whore :p :p :p :p

i can turn 'em.. well the ones i want anyway.

[gldstwmn]

.Do you really think Bush is pushing the amendment because he is afraid if same sex marriage becomes legal he might feel compelled to dumb Laura and marry Dick Cheney?:laugh:

Or Jeff Gannon. :eek:

[gldstwmn]

At least my hotel is across the street from Sak's :thumbsup:

Cincinatti has Saks?

[becca]

If same sex marriages were the norm- if we all were married to the same sex- our hereditary line would vanish. We could not develop offspring. We as human beings would vanish. Those that favor gay marriage are only looking at the human rights issue. I am pointing out the evolutuonary isse.

I have presented my opinions on this issue before, and received a ton of critcism, as would be expected I'll receive it again.

There are alot of great people in here, gay and srtaight. My intention is not to create anger, but to present an opposing view.

This opinion was presented very politely. The facts are gay couples are having children, their own and adopted. In a theoretical world on paper someplace maybe they don't, but in the real world they are having kids in all sorts of ways involving surrogacy. They are reproducing and they are commiting so let's just call it exactly what it is, a same-sex marriage, and do these people the incredibly kind and benevolent favor and bestow upon them the same language we use for everyone else, and to distiguish between marriages add same-sex in front if it makes you feel better.

I am a hetero Christian, albeit from the terrorist seive to the north (according to former Torontonian CNN news dude John Roberts), and I selfishly would like to see our species make this progressive move within my lifetime. I was engaged to a man in the U.S. and lived there for long periods. Sadly we were unable to marry for huge financial reasons once he was diagnosed with inoperable cancer, thanks to the negatives we would have faced in terms of medical coverage for both of us. Sometimes I wonder just why gay people want to get married, but I wish them the freedom to experience the negatives and benefits to the status denied to me and the man who loved me. He passed away early into this year and while I say in my heart we were married before God and everybody, I do know the pain of being denied the ability to marry and I would not wish it on others.

I hope it was okay to share this and how more than ever it is important to me that people who want to marry be able to do so. I hope people can remain respectful. I was shocked to hear of anti-gay protesters showing up at funerals of soldiers who died in Iraq to protest some alleged support of homosexuality within the military. That was extremely disrespectful as were the signs I saw.

[becca]

Eek, thought I'd better add that "the incredibly kind and benevolent favor and bestow upon them" was tongue in cheek. I get a bit odd sometimes with language and didn't want anybody reading that 'straight'. :D

[amber]

That doesn't even make sense. Your point makes the assumption that if gay marriage is made legal, the entire world is suddenly going to turn gay. Trust me, heterosexual people are not going to stop having sex and making babies just because gay marriage is made legal.

Yes. Thank you. My. Goodness. :shocked:

Wait, are you sure everyone isn't just waiting till the gov't says it's okay to start boinking people of their own sex? Maybe that is just what everyone has been waiting for. You know. Once the gov't gives the go ahead, every single person in the U.S. can breathe a big sigh of relief, quit with the hetero thing and the raising children thing, and finally
shack up with their "best friend" from college. :laugh: And when they do that, sperm and eggs will cease to exist (somehow), thus rendering the entire population unable to reproduce!!! No more children, ever! That will be pretty dire, as there are only 6 billion people on the planet. What will we do? And where did all the sperm and eggs go? :distress:
You know, I'm suprised we even have any people here at all, since there have been gay people from the dawn of time. How did we all get here, do you think? Xenu? Magical animation of molded clay figures? It's pretty mysterious. I should probably rethink this whole "equal rights for all people" thing. I wouldn't want my beliefs to contribute the cessation of our entire species. That would suck.

[foxyluva]

Yes. Thank you. My. Goodness. :shocked:


I agree :woohoo: It also makes it sound like all married couples just get married to have children - I know plenty of unmarried couples who have kids and married couples who don't - so that is not a valid excuse :sorry:

[amber]

I agree :woohoo: It also makes it sound like all married couples just get married to have children - I know plenty of unmarried couples who have kids and married couples who don't - so that is not a valid excuse :sorry:

Respectfully - I can't even believe someone used that as any kind of argument. It was so...blatantly illogical and unrealistic. Almost a weird made up world, where things aren't at all like they are here, on our world. I can't even believe someone thought of it. :confused: :shocked: All of population turning gay? No one having kids? The world population dying out because of gay marriage? It defies all reason, those are things that would never, ever, ever, ever happen. Not even in the farthest realms of imagining all possibilities. :confused: It seems a complete lack of scientific, hereditary, and behavioral knowledge is the only thing that could lead to that conclusion.

Hmm, I guess that wasn't exceptionally respectful, but it was the best I could do.

[foxyluva]

Respectfully - I can't even believe someone used that as any kind of argument. It was so...blatantly illogical and unrealistic. Almost a weird made up world, where things aren't at all like they are here, on our world. I can't even believe someone thought of it. :confused: :shocked: All of population turning gay? No one having kids? Those are things that would never, ever, ever, ever happen. Not even in the farthest realm of imagining all possibilities. :confused:
Hmm, I guess that wasn't exceptionally respectful, but it was the best I could do.

I know :cool: My Grandmother used the same argument about civil unions when they came into law in New Zealand. Its like, HELLO! Marriage is not only about having children, marriage today is more about proving and showing your love for each other, and securing your rights as a couple - a partnership - its not "lets get married so I can pop out a few babies"!!!

[amber]

^^^^ well, also the fact that not all, or even a majority of people are going to "turn" gay because the gov't says it is okay to be married. That was the most absurd part to me.
Grandmas think weird things, I've noticed that. Once mine called me, and was talking about Will & Grace (I hadn't seen it yet). She was all "why do gay people have to talk about it all the time, wave it in everyone's face? My best friend in highschool was gay, everyone knew, but we didn't have to talk about it." :confused: :lol: :shrug:

[foxyluva]

^^^^ well, also the fact that not all, or even a majority of people are going to "turn" gay because the gov't says it is okay to be married. That was the most absurd part to me.
Grandmas think weird things, I've noticed that. Once mine called me, and was talking about Will & Grace (I hadn't seen it yet). She was all "why do gay people have to talk about it all the time, wave it in everyone's face? My best friend in highschool was gay, everyone knew, but we didn't have to talk about it." :confused: :lol: :shrug:

People who think that you can be recutied into being gay need their head examined...

People are strange aren't they!!?? My mother said something similar to what your Grandmother said, but about Brokeback Mountain. She would not go and watch it because of what it was, and I told her I was offended by that, and she said "Well, I wouldn't mind if it was just suggested, and we didn't have to see anything" :distress: :laugh:

[strandinthewind]

Tell us what is in your suitcase...boxers or breifs? :p

Black 2xist :wavey:

[strandinthewind]

. . . If the state no longer endorses only certain marriages as legitimate, there is no inequality for anyone.. period. in other words.. government involvement in ANY marriage should be done away with.

That is what I have been saying all along :shrug:

[strandinthewind]

Cincinatti has Saks?

Well, you know I will find it if they have it LOL

Actually, they do and it is a nice one.

[snowman]

Respectfully - I can't even believe someone used that as any kind of argument. It was so...blatantly illogical and unrealistic. Almost a weird made up world, where things aren't at all like they are here, on our world. I can't even believe someone thought of it. :confused: :shocked: All of population turning gay? No one having kids? The world population dying out because of gay marriage? It defies all reason, those are things that would never, ever, ever, ever happen. Not even in the farthest realms of imagining all possibilities. :confused: It seems a complete lack of scientific, hereditary, and behavioral knowledge is the only thing that could lead to that conclusion.

Hmm, I guess that wasn't exceptionally respectful, but it was the best I could do.

I have you on ignore, so I won't respond to this other than to say you are missing my point........

[Sugar]

I have you on ignore, so I won't respond to this other than to say you are missing my point........

How about the rest of us who essentially made the same point? Or are we all on ignore? Or are you just trolling? After all you did say once that it was fun to come here and "stir the ****."

[SuzeQuze]

At least my hotel is across the street from Sak's :thumbsup:

Oh snap! Leave your credit cards at home! At least most of them. ;) Okay, forget I said that, you need something new! :laugh:

...
I am a hetero Christian, albeit from the terrorist seive to the north (according to former Torontonian CNN news dude John Roberts), and I selfishly would like to see our species make this progressive move within my lifetime. I was engaged to a man in the U.S. and lived there for long periods. Sadly we were unable to marry for huge financial reasons once he was diagnosed with inoperable cancer, thanks to the negatives we would have faced in terms of medical coverage for both of us. Sometimes I wonder just why gay people want to get married, but I wish them the freedom to experience the negatives and benefits to the status denied to me and the man who loved me. He passed away early into this year and while I say in my heart we were married before God and everybody, I do know the pain of being denied the ability to marry and I would not wish it on others.

I'm so sorry you lost your husband. Life can be really cruel.

I hope it was okay to share this and how more than ever it is important to me that people who want to marry be able to do so. I hope people can remain respectful. I was shocked to hear of anti-gay protesters showing up at funerals of soldiers who died in Iraq to protest some alleged support of homosexuality within the military. That was extremely disrespectful as were the signs I saw.

Yes of course it's okay to share, thank you. Those protesters are with Fred Phelps who's an extremist and a fanatic. All of his "congretion" are family members. They are a twisted bunch for sure.

Respectfully - I can't even believe someone used that as any kind of argument. It was so...blatantly illogical and unrealistic. Almost a weird made up world, where things aren't at all like they are here, on our world. I can't even believe someone thought of it. :confused: :shocked: All of population turning gay? No one having kids? The world population dying out because of gay marriage? It defies all reason, those are things that would never, ever, ever, ever happen. Not even in the farthest realms of imagining all possibilities. :confused: It seems a complete lack of scientific, hereditary, and behavioral knowledge is the only thing that could lead to that conclusion.

Hmm, I guess that wasn't exceptionally respectful, but it was the best I could do.

It's a righty talking point that people are unthinkingly regurgitating.

People who think that you can be recutied into being gay need their head examined...

People are strange aren't they!!?? My mother said something similar to what your Grandmother said, but about Brokeback Mountain. She would not go and watch it because of what it was, and I told her I was offended by that, and she said "Well, I wouldn't mind if it was just suggested, and we didn't have to see anything" :distress: :laugh:

Yeah but it's so hot. Who wants to miss that? :lol: That's probably the issue, they think it's hot but can't go there because it's "unacceptable". Too bad for them!

[DrummerDeanna]

I agree with someone a few pages back who said with all this talk about the "sanctity of marriage" why is no one addressing the alarmingly high divorce rate?

Why is it ok for Brittney HoSpears to have a drunken wedding, quickie divorce AND Anullment - but it's NOT ok for two men or two women who have had a long and loving partnership to marry? It's absurd! And it's blatantly a religious agenda - if anyone can give me ONE logical, well thought out and NON-religious reason against gay marriage then please - do so now.

[DrummerDeanna]

The Senate has rejected it :blob1:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/06/07/same.sex.marriage/index.html

[cliffdweller]

I am not a Bush fan. But I don't believe gay marriage should considered a recognized institution. Should this become a constitution ammendment?- no. Am I a gay hater?-no. But homosexuality is an anomoly(sp) it is not the norm. Gay marriage does allow for equality, recognition, security, etc but there is one very fundemental issue that needs to be understood:

If same sex marriages were the norm- if we all were married to the same sex- our hereditary line would vanish. We could not develop offspring. We as human beings would vanish. Those that favor gay marriage are only looking at the human rights issue. I am pointing out the evolutuonary isse.

I have presented my opinions on this issue before, and received a ton of critcism, as would be expected I'll receive it again.

There are alot of great people in here, gay and srtaight. My intention is not to create anger, but to present an opposing view.


I think this post belongs in the "Lame" thread :p :laugh:.

I'm sorry, it's just that your argument is about as paper-thin as I've read in a long time. I'm just starting to read this thread and I'm sure that many other people have already addressed your post so I will keep reading so as not to respond like someone else (probably has).

[cliffdweller]

I still want to know why none of them are upset about the divorce rate among heterosexual couples. Talk about ruining the sanctity of marriage.

Ha! Last night on the Daily Show Jon was arguing with Bill Bennet [:rolleyes:] about this very issue. Jon said, "50% of marriages don't end in divorce because of gay" :laugh: it was great. It was like, don't lecture gays on the sanctity of marriage when hetero couples can't get it together. That sob Bennett didn't have a leg to stand on.

[SuzeQuze]

MA has the lowest divorce rate and is the only state that allows gay marriage.

[DrummerDeanna]

MA has the lowest divorce rate and is the only state that allows gay marriage.


Well, Suze I don't know if you know this but gays are also corrupting the worlds of math and statistics, so that can't be trusted :p

[skcin]

The Senate has rejected it :blob1:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/06/07/same.sex.marriage/index.html


Thank goodness. I know the debate is heated at times, and I know it's contraversial. But I cannot BELIEVE that in this day and age, they were trying to pass a law AGAINST gay people getting married.

Hello!!!! :mad: We're at war & our soldiers are dying every single day in a foreign country. We have too many people homeless. So many people work their asses off full time and still are living in poverty. Murderers go to jail for 5 years, but people in possession of pot can go for 20 or 30.

All of these issues need to be addressed & fixed, yet our president, in his infinite wisdom ( :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: ), wants to stop all the big bad scary homos from marrying eachother? :shrug: THAT'S his priority right now?

WTF?!?! I mean, really. What. The. F uck.

[carrie721]

I am not a Bush fan. But I don't believe gay marriage should considered a recognized institution. Should this become a constitution ammendment?- no. Am I a gay hater?-no. But homosexuality is an anomoly(sp) it is not the norm. Gay marriage does allow for equality, recognition, security, etc but there is one very fundemental issue that needs to be understood:

If same sex marriages were the norm- if we all were married to the same sex- our hereditary line would vanish. We could not develop offspring. We as human beings would vanish. Those that favor gay marriage are only looking at the human rights issue. I am pointing out the evolutuonary isse.

I have presented my opinions on this issue before, and received a ton of critcism, as would be expected I'll receive it again.

There are alot of great people in here, gay and srtaight. My intention is not to create anger, but to present an opposing view.

biologically speaking, homosexuality is not the norm. however, the role of our government (at least as it has established in the past) is not to promote and endorse norms, it is to promote and endorse equality, and as long as marriage is an institution bestowed upon heterosexual people only, the government is not doing its job.

nobody can refute your argument that if everyone were gay, our heredity line would vanish. that's obvious. but as others have pointed out, people were procreating long before the institution of marriage ever came into existence, and people are procreating now outside of marriage.

the importance of marriage is in the rights and benefits that come with marriage, and by denying gay people these rights, our lawmakers are essentially making bigotry policy.

[estranged4life]

All of these issues need to be addressed & fixed, yet our president, in his infinite wisdom ( :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: ), wants to stop all the big bad scary homos from marrying eachother? :shrug: THAT'S his priority right now?

I am looking for that involves Bush is his exit from the White House...Gay marriage doesnt frighten me, Nor does illegal immigrants, However the ignorance that is Bush does frighten me (Is it me, Or does each time he is shown on TV he has to quickly put on that 'fake smile because I know I am full of ****' that only he does so well???)

Oh, I saw some mentions of the divorce rate in this thread...Wanna guess which state has the highest divorce rate along with the highest teen pregnancy rate? I'll give ya a hint-A state that has not elected a Democrat for President since JFK.

[skcin]

(Is it me, Or does each time he is shown on TV he has to quickly put on that 'fake smile becase I am full of ****' that only he does so well???)



Nope, not just you. I feel nauseous every time I see him speak. :shocked: Seriously. He turns my stomach.

[BTFLCHLD]

Black 2xist :wavey:
Brat! I want to know if boxers or breifs...not the color/brand! :mad:
I suggest you unpack, and take pictures! NOW! :]

Well, the color information will come in "handy" later on... ;)

[macfanken]

Thank goodness. I know the debate is heated at times, and I know it's contraversial. But I cannot BELIEVE that in this day and age, they were trying to pass a law AGAINST gay people getting married.

Hello!!!! :mad: We're at war & our soldiers are dying every single day in a foreign country. We have too many people homeless. So many people work their asses off full time and still are living in poverty. Murderers go to jail for 5 years, but people in possession of pot can go for 20 or 30.

All of these issues need to be addressed & fixed, yet our president, in his infinite wisdom ( :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: ), wants to stop all the big bad scary homos from marrying eachother? :shrug: THAT'S his priority right now?

WTF?!?! I mean, really. What. The. F uck.


The republicans have created a bizarro world where up is down, wrong is right and nothing makes sense. :distress:

[amber]

Yes. Thank you. My. Goodness. :shocked:

Wait, are you sure everyone isn't just waiting till the gov't says it's okay to start boinking people of their own sex? Maybe that is just what everyone has been waiting for. You know. Once the gov't gives the go ahead, every single person in the U.S. can breathe a big sigh of relief, quit with the hetero thing and the raising children thing, and finally
shack up with their "best friend" from college. :laugh: And when they do that, sperm and eggs will cease to exist (somehow), thus rendering the entire population unable to reproduce!!! No more children, ever! That will be pretty dire, as there are only 6 billion people on the planet. What will we do? And where did all the sperm and eggs go? :distress:
You know, I'm suprised we even have any people here at all, since there have been gay people from the dawn of time. How did we all get here, do you think? Xenu? Magical animation of molded clay figures? It's pretty mysterious. I should probably rethink this whole "equal rights for all people" thing. I wouldn't want my beliefs to contribute the cessation of our entire species. That would suck.

:lol: :lol: :lol:


Just figured I'd laugh at my own post since that guy has me on ignore. No reason to be subtle now! :woohoo: :woohoo: :laugh:

[SuzeQuze]

The republicans have created a bizarro world where up is down, wrong is right and nothing makes sense. :distress:

Except if you think of it in the context that they'll do anything to grab power and money. So ask, "How can this get them power and/or money?" and you'll probably have the answer. Or how do they think it will.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

That is what I have been saying all along :shrug:

I know sweety.. I'm just new to some of this libertarian thinking.. its quite fun.. i love it! :)

[DavidMn]

I know sweety.. I'm just new to some of this libertarian thinking.. its quite fun.. i love it! :)My friend is a Libertarian. Quite an interesting fellow.

[strandinthewind]

Thank goodness. I know the debate is heated at times, and I know it's contraversial. But I cannot BELIEVE that in this day and age, they were trying to pass a law AGAINST gay people getting married.

Hello!!!! :mad: We're at war & our soldiers are dying every single day in a foreign country. We have too many people homeless. So many people work their asses off full time and still are living in poverty. Murderers go to jail for 5 years, but people in possession of pot can go for 20 or 30.

All of these issues need to be addressed & fixed, yet our president, in his infinite wisdom ( :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: ), wants to stop all the big bad scary homos from marrying eachother? :shrug: THAT'S his priority right now?

WTF?!?! I mean, really. What. The. F uck.

Not only that - but think of the million or so dollars wasted on this tripe that they KNOW will not pass - all in an attempt to cover W's pathetic record and entice the base to vote in the upcoming elections. I mean I get that the base pretty much will never vote for a D, but if they do not vote at all, then the D's stand a better shot of winning because the R's will lose needed votes.

[strandinthewind]

I know sweety.. I'm just new to some of this libertarian thinking.. its quite fun.. i love it! :)

Your evolution (pun intended) is astounding. Now, if we could do something about your hair :p :D

[strandinthewind]

Brat! I want to know if boxers or breifs...not the color/brand! :mad:
I suggest you unpack, and take pictures! NOW! :]

Well, the color information will come in "handy" later on... ;)

Button Fly Boxer Briefs seen here - though this is not I:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0006TOZSS/ref=dp_also-recommended_2/103-9577860-9527038?%5Fencoding=UTF8&n=1036592&s=apparel&v=glance

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Your evolution (pun intended) is astounding. Now, if we could do something about your hair :p :D

ny hair.. that everyone loves! except you.. and how have you seen my hair.. im scared.. are you outside right now! im sitting in my underwear at the computer with messy hair.. because i just got up not too long ago! DONT HOLD IT AGAINST ME!

[strandinthewind]

ny hair.. that everyone loves! except you.. and how have you seen my hair.. im scared.. are you outside right now! im sitting in my underwear at the computer with messy hair.. because i just got up not too long ago! DONT HOLD IT AGAINST ME!

I am holding nothing against you :p

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I am holding nothing against you :p

and besides what do YOU know about good hair.. :p :p :p

[strandinthewind]

and besides what do YOU know about good hair.. :p :p :p

Well, I used to model mine and have had a few recent offers to do it again :wavey:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Well, I used to model mine and have had a few recent offers to do it again :wavey:

were you a model for clairol? didn't think so :p

[strandinthewind]

were you a model for clairol? didn't think so :p

LOL - it was LOREAL damnit!!!!!!!

No, it was for, I think, Paul Mitchell - but that was YEARS ago.

But, you would def. be the "before" pic :wavey:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

LOL - it was LOREAL damnit!!!!!!!

No, it was for, I think, Paul Mitchell - but that was YEARS ago.

But, you would def. be the "before" pic :wavey:

You know nothing old man.. NOTHING!

and i hope you aren't talking about my color because it is ALL REAL (except for the blonde.. i do get it foiled) :cool:

[strandinthewind]

You know nothing old man.. NOTHING!

and i hope you aren't talking about my color because it is ALL REAL (except for the blonde.. i do get it foiled) :cool:

Here's a clue hooker - you are always foiled and will remain foiled again :wavey:

AND - when you are 39, 6'4", and have a 32 inch waist and a 46 inch chest with abs - be sure and let me know :p

[snowman]

[QUOTE=amber]:lol: :lol: :lol:


No reason to be subtle now!

:confused:

[snowman]

How about the rest of us who essentially made the same point? Or are we all on ignore? Or are you just trolling? After all you did say once that it was fun to come here and "stir the ****."



1. Obviously, I didn't have her on ignore. I responded to her thread didn't I?:lol:

2. No I am not trolling. And it is fun to stir the **** - There are a few who post here everyday that "stir the ****" with their pompous attitudes, pseudo intellects, and snarky rude ass remarks.:shrug:

[Sugar]

1. Obviously, I didn't have her on ignore. I responded to her thread didn't I?:lol:

2. No I am not trolling. And it is fun to stir the **** - There are a few who post here everyday that "stir the ****" with their pompous attitudes, pseudo intellects, and snarky rude ass remarks.:shrug:

Got it...trolling...thanks for clearing that up!

[snowman]

Got it...trolling...thanks for clearing that up!

You're so welcome, I guess. Have fun in your important job, heir moderator...

[seeker007nmss]

If same sex marriages were the norm- if we all were married to the same sex- our hereditary line would vanish. We could not develop offspring. We as human beings would vanish. Those that favor gay marriage are only looking at the human rights issue. I am pointing out the evolutuonary isse.

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Actually the male would disappear. You can splice 2 female eggs to produce an offspring, but it always results in a female. So the species would continue.

[Sugar]

You're so welcome, I guess. Have fun in your important job, heir moderator...

Always do!

[GateandGarden]

1. Obviously, I didn't have her on ignore. I responded to her thread didn't I?:lol: That crappy thing about putting people on ignore is that you can still see that they've posted, you just can't read the posts. Seems pointless.

2. No I am not trolling. And it is fun to stir the **** - There are a few who post here everyday that "stir the ****" with their pompous attitudes, pseudo intellects, and snarky rude ass remarks.:shrug:

No argument there. But can we try to address the matter at hand? Many people responded to your argument quite rationally and intelligently...Carrie and Tiffany, to name a couple. Are you planning on continuing the debate for the sake of the argument you deem so valid? Or did you never actually believe in it and the whole purpose of posting it was to see how many people would rush to respond?

[snowman]

That crappy thing about putting people on ignore is that you can still see that they've posted, you just can't read the posts. Seems pointless.



No argument there. But can we try to address the matter at hand? Many people responded to your argument quite rationally and intelligently...Carrie and Tiffany, to name a couple. Are you planning on continuing the debate for the sake of the argument you deem so valid? Or did you never actually believe in it and the whole purpose of posting it was to see how many people would rush to respond?

I don't wish to continue this at all. Everyone has made their point. I don't agree, however, that "stirring the sh.." equals trolling. As I said, there are other people here who post provocative ideas, goading remarks and thoughts, etc, which to me is an obvious effort to get reactions from the rest of us. This to me = "stirring the sh.." therefore this too is trolling?

[GateandGarden]

I don't wish to continue this at all. Everyone has made their point. I don't agree, however, that "stirring the sh.." equals trolling. As I said, there are other people here who post provocative ideas, goading remarks and thoughts, etc, which to me is an obvious effort to get reactions from the rest of us. This to me = "stirring the sh.." therefore this too is trolling?I'd be here all night if I got started on the agendas of some of these posters.

"Everyone has made their point," you say? I'm just wondering if that means you can see that point.

[Sugar]

I don't wish to continue this at all. Everyone has made their point. I don't agree, however, that "stirring the sh.." equals trolling. As I said, there are other people here who post provocative ideas, goading remarks and thoughts, etc, which to me is an obvious effort to get reactions from the rest of us. This to me = "stirring the sh.." therefore this too is trolling?

Continue what?

You have a differing opinion. That's fine. All anyone has asked for is clarification as to how you get from some "evolutionary fact" to an opinion on how the government should act. Even with Hilary finally just simply asking you to address the point. I guess people assume you want to or are willing discuss something when you post on a board like this.

But you haven't. Instead you're spending a whole lot more time discussing the people on this board than the subject at hand. That is usually a red flag to me that someone's just looking to start a little trouble.

Are you basically admitting to trying to goad a reaction out of people? Go ahead. I'm just not interested in that crap. You want to discuss the matter at hand, great. But all this D-R-A-M-A...just not my thing. Been there, done that. And this has nothing to do with me being a moderator, just me being a poster on this board.

[snowman]

I'd be here all night if I got started on the agendas of some of these posters.

"Everyone has made their point," you say? I'm just wondering if that means you can see that point.

What's your angle here? You originally asked if I planned to continue the debate for the sake of arguing, as if to say please stop. Now you're asking if I see everyone's point? as if to, oh shall we say, stir the sh..??:shrug:

I no longer wish to continue with this thread. I'm sure everyone else feels the same way.

The End:blob1:

[GateandGarden]

What's your angle here? You originally asked if I planned to continue the debate for the sake of arguing, as if to say please stop. Now you're asking if I see everyone's point? as if to, oh shall we say, stir the sh..??:shrug: That's not what I meant at all. I was trying to get to the bottom of this philosophy of yours.

I no longer wish to continue with this thread. I'm sure everyone else feels the same way.No, but whatever.

[snowman]

Continue what?

You have a differing opinion. That's fine. All anyone has asked for is clarification as to how you get from some "evolutionary fact" to an opinion on how the government should act. Even with Hilary finally just simply asking you to address the point. I guess people assume you want to or are willing discuss something when you post on a board like this.

But you haven't. Instead you're spending a whole lot more time discussing the people on this board than the subject at hand. That is usually a red flag to me that someone's just looking to start a little trouble.

Are you basically admitting to trying to goad a reaction out of people? Go ahead. I'm just not interested in that crap. You want to discuss the matter at hand, great. But all this D-R-A-M-A...just not my thing. Been there, done that. And this has nothing to do with me being a moderator, just me being a poster on this board.

All this "drama" started when you inferred I was a troll:
How about the rest of us who essentially made the same point? Or are we all on ignore? Or are you just trolling? After all you did say once that it was fun to come here and "stir the ****."
If you hadn't made this inference, we wouldn't be having this "drama". Who "stirred the sh.." here, hmmmm?

[Sugar]

All this "drama" started when you inferred I was a troll:
How about the rest of us who essentially made the same point? Or are we all on ignore? Or are you just trolling? After all you did say once that it was fun to come here and "stir the ****."
If you hadn't made this inference, we wouldn't be having this "drama". Who "stirred the sh.." here, hmmmm?

Oh. My. God.

It was a question. A bit of a lighthearted one at that. Besides, I think you've proven to all of us that you are NOT a troll.

Really, man, until you post about the subject at hand, I'm just not playing anymore.

[snowman]

That's not what I meant at all. I was trying to get to the bottom of this philosophy of yours.

No, but whatever.

If I repeat/continue explaining, I will be trolling- or so says one of the moderators. And there's no trolling allowed:nod:

[GateandGarden]

If I repeat/continue explaining, I will be trolling- or so says one of the moderators. And there's no trolling allowed:nod:Well this is momentary entertainment if nothing else.

[BTFLCHLD]

seen here - though this is not I Hey, killjoy, I can always pretend! :]

Thanks for solving the mystery of your underpants.... :D Sexy!

[snowman]

Oh. My. God.

It was a question. A bit of a lighthearted one at that. Besides, I think you've proven to all of us that you are NOT a troll.

Really, man, until you post about the subject at hand, I'm just not playing [/B[B]]anymore.

Me neither- good night

edit: I wish I could figure out how to block quotes. I feel like such a tr...

[GateandGarden]

Me neither- good nightFor the sheer self-satisfaction, I'm just going to assume that you had an epiphany and realized you were wrong.

[amber]

Hey, killjoy, I can always pretend! :]

Thanks for solving the mystery of your underpants.... :D Sexy!

I'm wearing men's underwear today, but did you ask me? NO! :mad: :laugh:

[BTFLCHLD]

I'm wearing men's underwear today, but did you ask me? NO! :mad: :laugh: I'd be more interested in how you obtained them! Are they from the "collection" you've amassed? I have a collection...but they are mine...the ones torn from my body...I hang them on the post of my 4-poster bed. :cool:

[carrie721]

I'd be more interested in how you obtained them! Are they from the "collection" you've amassed? I have a collection...but they are mine...the ones torn from my body...I hang them on the post of my 4-poster bed. :cool:

hey, can i join the party? i'm wearing men's underwear, too!

[BTFLCHLD]

hey, can i join the party? i'm wearing men's underwear, too! Of course you can sweetie! :D Tell me the color...

[carrie721]

Of course you can sweetie! :D Tell me the color...

white & green stripes. i think i might go back for the ones with the red stripes tomorrow! :] :]

[amber]

I'd be more interested in how you obtained them! Are they from the "collection" you've amassed? I have a collection...but they are mine...the ones torn from my body...I hang them on the post of my 4-poster bed. :cool:

If by "collection" you mean one pair, then yes! I swiped them from an old bf. They are the cute boxer brief types, but the really short ones. Black.

[carrie721]

If by "collection" you mean one pair, then yes! I swiped them from an old bf. They are the cute boxer brief types, but the really short ones. Black.

hopefully you swiped them while you were still with him! because if not ... :shrug: :D

[amber]

hopefully you swiped them while you were still with him! because if not ... :shrug: :D

No, I snuck into his house years later to rob him of one pair of jockey boxer briefs. It took that long to plan.

[carrie721]

No, I snuck into his house years later to rob him of one pair of jockey boxer briefs. It took that long to plan.

:eek:

i knew it! :]

[littlecricket2]

In response to snowman:
For the sheer self-satisfaction, I'm just going to assume that you had an epiphany and realized you were wrong.

My thoughts exactly. He hasn't actually addressed a single (effective) rebuttal.

p.s. I signed the petition, of course. I didn't think it would pass anyway, and thankfully it didn't, but we can never be too careful. Don't underestimate the almost supernatural powers of this utterly incomprehensible administration.

[GateandGarden]

I love littlecricket2.

[skcin]

I love littlecricket2.


Me too. We missed you Lisa! :angel:

[littlecricket2]

Me too. We missed you Lisa! :angel:

Aww, :p . Totally unexpected, but thanks you guys!

[Johnny Stew]

I hope it was okay to share this and how more than ever it is important to me that people who want to marry be able to do so.Becca... I somehow missed this post the first time around, but I just wanted to extend my condolences on the loss of your fiancé. :xoxo:

[becca]

Thank you Johnny, and also thanks to the others who offered empathy. I was lucky to have the time with him we did have.