Doesn't the Live in Boston CD suck?

[Jyqm]

I mentioned this in another thread but felt that it really deserves its own topic. So here's a thread to vent all of your frustrations about how much the CD that came with the Live in Boston DVD sucks.

We can start by taking a nice look at the tracklisting:

1. Eyes of the World
2. Dreams
3. Rhiannon
4. Come
5. Big Love
6. Landslide
7. Silver Springs
8. I'm So Afraid
9. Stand Back
10. Go Your Own Way

Am I seeing things or are seven of the ten songs on this CD also featured on The Dance, released just seven years earlier? Am I hearing things, or are six of those seven songs (all but "Rhiannon") presented in arrangements nearly identical to The Dance? Have I gone blind or is only one of the ten songs on this CD from Say You Will, the album this tour was allegedly promoting?

Where the hell is "Beautiful Child"? Or "Second Hand News"? Or "What's The World Coming To"? Or "Goodbye Baby"? Or hell, even "Gypsy"?

Double you tee eff, people? What on earth is wrong with this band? I mean honestly, what was the logic behind this? Because I'm completely dumbfounded by it. They may as well have left the CD out entirely and saved us a few extra bucks.

[Sahara]

Er...

:(

*bites tongue and lets the disc-bashing commence*

[Miss Vicky]

The track listing might suck, but it has the all important "Come" on it and that's all I really care about.

[mylittledemon]

i was disappointed by the whole thing actually. They should've filmed the 2nd leg when they were doing "Sara" and other tunes.

[David]

Double you tee eff, people? What on earth is wrong with this band? I mean honestly, what was the logic behind this? Because I'm completely dumbfounded by it. They may as well have left the CD out entirely and saved us a few extra bucks.that's why I didn't buy it. I really don't need it or want it.

At least Mick didn't package the DVD with a coupon for his wine or something like that. Or did he?

[Jyqm]

that's why I didn't buy it. I really don't need it or want it.

You're a smarter man than I. I really don't know why I bought it. I wanted "Eyes of the World" and "Come," I suppose.

[Johnny Stew]

They really could have done something special with the bonus CD -- it's not like any of the casual fans would be buying it for that disc (in fact, with only about 60,000 copies sold, I doubt very many casual fans bought it at all).
The track selection is way too safe, and for absolutely no good reason. Whereas it should have stood apart from 'The Dance,' it ended up being redundant.

Restricting my choices to 10 tracks, I would have preferred something along the lines of....

1. Eyes Of The World
2. Peacekeeper
3. Say You Will
4. Gypsy
5. What's The World Coming To
6. Beautiful Child
7. Gold Dust Woman
8. Come
9. Stand Back
10. Say Goodbye

[Jyqm]

i was disappointed by the whole thing actually. They should've filmed the 2nd leg when they were doing "Sara" and other tunes.

And two other tunes?

[Peestie]

I just ripped the audio straight from the DVD and made myself a 2CD set.

The CD that came with the DVDs has yet to leave the box...

[Sahara]

I just ripped the audio straight from the DVD and made myself a 2CD set.

The CD that came with the DVDs has yet to leave the box...

I've done the same, but until I worked out how to do it the CD did me just fine. It had Come, it had Stand Back, it had one of my favourite versions of Rhiannon. I didn't really have a problem with it.

[wetcamelfood]

ripped the audio straight from the DVD and made myself a 2CD set

Ooh, there's an idea! Can someone tell me how to do this (or provide a tutorial link if you don't want to type it out)? :)

John

[ShangriLaTroubl]

They really could have done something special with the bonus CD -- it's not like any of the casual fans would be buying it for that disc (in fact, with only about 60,000 copies sold, I doubt very many casual fans bought it at all).



Wow it must've shipped a lot more than actually sold, because it was certified Platinum.

[Nixxxed]

Wow it must've shipped a lot more than actually sold, because it was certified Platinum.
Is it certified platinum because it's a 2-disc video set (each of which counts as a unit)? And where does the CD figure in?

http://www.riaa.com/gp/certification/criteria.asp

Either that, or 100,000 were shipped, and we should all be on the lookout for 40,000 uber-cheap copies in the bargain bins.

[Lala]

i was disappointed by the whole thing actually. They should've filmed the 2nd leg when they were doing "Sara" and other tunes.

Yeah that would have been sweet.

I agree that the LIB CD is a letdown. I hardly ever listen to it b/c there isn't anything special on it really besides EOTW. I ripped the DVD audio a while back, but I haven't re-named the tracks ands stuff yet (right now they are listed as Title 1 and so on).

Ooh, there's an idea! Can someone tell me how to do this (or provide a tutorial link if you don't want to type it out)?

You have to have software that can do it. I searched for some on the internet and found it, but it was only good for 30 days. Someone else may be able to provide more help.

[desertangel]

Firstly, not a big fan of live CDs... prolly baggage from the old days. My gang of friends were "2 kewl" for live albums. Maybe it was the seemingly contrived roar of the audience or the fact that sequencing always left a bit to be desired. I did buy LIB and played it once or twice. Thought it nice to have a pro shot after watching the boots. By the time all was said and done with the SYW gig, I was ready to put it on a shelf for awhile. Maybe it's time to dig it out again.

My fav live album of all time will always be The Who Live at Leeds.

Laura

[foxyluva]

Is it certified platinum because it's a 2-disc video set (each of which counts as a unit)? And where does the CD figure in?

http://www.riaa.com/gp/certification/criteria.asp

Either that, or 100,000 were shipped, and we should all be on the lookout for 40,000 uber-cheap copies in the bargain bins.

I don't know about the US - but CD/DVD sales in New Zealand only count as a sale - not the amount shipped

[elie]

I just ripped the audio straight from the DVD and made myself a 2CD set.

The CD that came with the DVDs has yet to leave the box...

I soooo wanted to do that and I don't know how! :shrug: I am a total ignorant when it comes to ripping cds and stuff! Can you do it through the mp3 player programs installed on the PC?:shocked: Pleeeeaseeeee:)

[Jyqm]

Ooh, there's an idea! Can someone tell me how to do this (or provide a tutorial link if you don't want to type it out)? :)

John

Here's some trial software you can download: http://www.castudio.org/dvdaudioextractor/

I've never done it, as I haven't considered it worth the hassle.

[skcin]

I mentioned this in another thread but felt that it really deserves its own topic. So here's a thread to vent all of your frustrations about how much the CD that came with the Live in Boston DVD sucks.

We can start by taking a nice look at the tracklisting:

1. Eyes of the World
2. Dreams
3. Rhiannon
4. Come
5. Big Love
6. Landslide
7. Silver Springs
8. I'm So Afraid
9. Stand Back
10. Go Your Own Way

Am I seeing things or are seven of the ten songs on this CD also featured on The Dance, released just seven years earlier? Am I hearing things, or are six of those seven songs (all but "Rhiannon") presented in arrangements nearly identical to The Dance? Have I gone blind or is only one of the ten songs on this CD from Say You Will, the album this tour was allegedly promoting?

Where the hell is "Beautiful Child"? Or "Second Hand News"? Or "What's The World Coming To"? Or "Goodbye Baby"? Or hell, even "Gypsy"?

Double you tee eff, people? What on earth is wrong with this band? I mean honestly, what was the logic behind this? Because I'm completely dumbfounded by it. They may as well have left the CD out entirely and saved us a few extra bucks.


I couldn't agree with you more & I've said the same thing several times since it was released. Casual fans who bought The Dance 7 years before were not going to buy something so similar. Most of the different songs on the DVD were new SYW tunes that they wouldn't recognize, and some of the older tunes (EOTW, BC) were probably not recognized by the casual fan either. :shrug:

I also agree with whoever mentioned that it should have been filmed later in the tour. True, Red Rover & IKINW aren't known hits, but I really do think that more casual fans may have purchased it if they saw that Sara was on it.

The CD was even worse, like you said, only 3 different songs from the Dance. My tracklisting would have been (in no particular order):

The Chain
Peacekeeper
SYW
NGBA
Come
Say Goodbye
BC
GDW
ISA
GYOW
Don't Stop
Goodbye Baby

[Mike B]

Yep, this was just another in a long line of missed opportunities. I couldn't believe they left off Beautiful Child and all of the SYW songs except Come. Ridiculous.

I do wonder who picks the songs that appear on the CD though. I'm not sure how much control the band has on picking the tracks. I remember reading a Lindsey (or maybe Stevie) interview around the release of The Dance. Apparently, the band wanted to leave Rhiannon off The Dance CD and replace it with GDW, but Reprise (or whoever it was) balked, forcing them to put the better known track on it. Does anyone else remember reading this?

Another bone headed move - choosing to promote the Live In Boston DVD by playing a video for it on VH1 and picking...Landslide. How original! No, we weren't all sick to death of that song, we really needed yet another version of it. :rolleyes:

It would have been nice if they had filmed the second leg of the tour, just to have IKINW. And even though they apparently hated it since it was the only song to get dropped twice (!), I'd love to have Destiny Rules on DVD.

[Jyqm]

I do wonder who picks the songs that appear on the CD though. I'm not sure how much control the band has on picking the tracks. I remember reading a Lindsey (or maybe Stevie) interview around the release of The Dance. Apparently, the band wanted to leave Rhiannon off The Dance CD and replace it with GDW, but Reprise (or whoever it was) balked, forcing them to put the better known track on it. Does anyone else remember reading this?

If it truly is the case that the band had little control over what songs got put on the CD (although I'm not sure I really buy that), then that's absolutely pathetic. Is this not one of the top-selling bands of all time? Have they not all been in the music business for nearly four decades? If they're still under the thumb of record company politics in an age when so many lesser and far less popular acts have taken so much control over their own careers, they need to f***ing grow a pair or three. That's just ridiculous.

[Mike B]

If they're still under the thumb of record company politics in an age when so many lesser and far less popular acts have taken so much control over their own careers, they need to f***ing grow a pair or three. That's just ridiculous.

I know! I agree. I'm trying to find that article in the BLA, but there are a lot of them to sort through.

Come to think of it, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if the band didn't even know a CD would be included with the DVD.

[Peestie]

Here's some trial software you can download: http://www.castudio.org/dvdaudioextractor/

I've never done it, as I haven't considered it worth the hassle.

That's the software I use as well. It's very simple really. Put the DVD in and then chose where you want to save it and as what sort of file (mp3, wav etc.) and then just rip it.

[elie]

It 's ok. Since I don't own the Dance cd (it was not on sale here), it's nice that I have a few songs live.
However, I would have prefered GDW to Rhiannon and I don't like Come that much anyway.

[cliffdweller]

Am I seeing things Am I hearing things, Have I gone blind

Yes, yes and yes. Mystery solved. :laugh:

Seriously though, that c.d. is a joke. I love Eyes of the World, so I just ripped that particular track onto a comp c.d. but that's all the use I got out of it. Oh, and Stand Back live with F.M. is always killer. But aside from all that :shrug: Meh, who needs it?

[JazmenFlowers]

I couldn't agree with you more & I've said the same thing several times since it was released. Casual fans who bought The Dance 7 years before were not going to buy something so similar. Most of the different songs on the DVD were new SYW tunes that they wouldn't recognize, and some of the older tunes (EOTW, BC) were probably not recognized by the casual fan either. :shrug:

I also agree with whoever mentioned that it should have been filmed later in the tour. True, Red Rover & IKINW aren't known hits, but I really do think that more casual fans may have purchased it if they saw that Sara was on it.

The CD was even worse, like you said, only 3 different songs from the Dance. My tracklisting would have been (in no particular order):

The Chain
Peacekeeper
SYW
NGBA
Come
Say Goodbye
BC
GDW
ISA
GYOW
Don't Stop
Goodbye Baby
I agree with you and Jyqm...and Mike B that it's just another missed opp. the only thing I'd add to your setlist is Sara. that was such a momentous addition to the setlist...it deserved to be preserved. oh ****...I just said deserved to be preserved. :distress:

[chiliD]

Seriously though, that c.d. is a joke.

As what they SHOULD've done with The Dance, they should've just issued the ENTIRE SHOW on CD format, as well.

[skcin]

As what they SHOULD've done with The Dance, they should've just issued the ENTIRE SHOW on CD format, as well.


I know, I don't understand why they didn't. Especially The Dance - didn't it sell 5 million copies or something? I'll be it would have sold that even if it were a double CD with all songs included. Maybe they figured more people would buy the video for the missing songs? :shrug: Again, I'm sure that would have sold just fine too.

[cliffdweller]

Especially The Dance - didn't it sell 5 million copies or something? I'll be it would have sold that even if it were a double CD with all songs included.

You know, I tend to agree with this Paula. I think fans were pretty starved for anything from this band when The Dance came out and probably would have bought a double-disc package just as easily as a single disc.

[DavidMn]

I was dissapointed not to see The Chain make it.

[PenguinHead]

It would have been nice if the disc featured songs that haven't been on a half dozen (or so) live albums and compilations:

Eyes of The World
Peacekeeper
Second Hand News
Say You Will
Come
Gypsy
Say Goodbye
What's The World Coming To
Beautiful Child
Gold Dust Woman
Stand Back
World Turning
Goodbye Baby

bonus tracks:
Sara
Red Rover
I Know I'm Not Wrong
Destiny Rules
Running Through The Garden
Don't Let Me Down Again

[wetcamelfood]

That's the software I use as well. It's very simple really. Put the DVD in and then chose where you want to save it and as what sort of file (mp3, wav etc.) and then just rip it.

I just tried this & the resulting CD came out a little slow (on the playback speed).

This may have more to do with GoldWave (which I use to edit my mp3's) as they played fine on my Music MatchJukebox after I ripped them.

Any advice on this? Should I bump them up to like 38 or so? They're not that much slower, as it's listenable, but I'd just prefer to make it them same speed is all (I'd liken it to the slow Gypsy on the Best Buy Tour '97 CD).

John

[bikerchic]

Agree. The cd is a joke. I only listen to SS (only to hear "still, I am a fool) and SB. It seems it was an after thought, or no thought, or for the casual fans again. It doesn't make any sense. I so wish there was a Q & A with Lindsey sometime, we could ask him, "Lindsey, who the f**k picked the track listing for the LIB cd? cause it sucks! :laugh:

[David]

Agree. The cd is a joke. I only listen to SS (only to hear "still, I am a fool) and SB. It seems it was an after thought, or no thought, or for the casual fans again. It doesn't make any sense. I so wish there was a Q & A with Lindsey sometime, we could ask him, "Lindsey, who the f**k picked the track listing for the LIB cd? cause it sucks! :laugh:So is this CD the exact same performance as the Boston video?

[Villavic]

Where the hell is "Beautiful Child"? Or "Second Hand News"? Or "What's The World Coming To"? Or "Goodbye Baby"? Or hell, even "Gypsy"?


I only care, and only listen to STAND BACK. Cool intro, cool beat. I miss Sara and the songs you mentioned

[Alexbt]

Stand Back is totally worth it, but I always skip through the long ass intro.

Listening to stuff like Dreams or Rhiannon just make me annoyed. I'd be beating a dead horse if I once again mentioned why... or should I say who.. makes me hate those versions.

[estranged4life]

about this release is the packaging. The bonus audio disc was somewhat glued to the inside of the digi-pack, So when I was able to finally remove it (After carefully prying it out of the packaging) I had to remove gum/glue residue from the disc before it was playable.

The bonus audio disc now resides in a soft-sided cd sleeve within the digi-pack of this release (Which I watched only twice...Once to extract the audio portion and another time to put both discs on one DVD, And man was I ever bored silly by the lifeless performance).

[BTFLCHLD]

NO. I am listening to the cd right now. :wavey:

[HomerMcvie]

NO. I am listening to the cd right now. :wavey:
If you don't mind me asking, how old are you? I'm just curious.

[BTFLCHLD]

If you don't mind me asking, how old are you? I'm just curious. And squash your fantasy of my being 16 and immature for my age, no thanks! :D

[DestinyRules]

The only tracks worth buying on that CD as far as I was concerned were "Eyes Of The World" (which would have been a kick arse opener) and "Stand Back," though I could have done without the long percussion solo at the beginning.

"Rhiannon" was okay with the "different arrangement" which was mostly dumping the piano and vocal stuff at the beginning, but it wasn't exactly exciting stuff. "Dreams" is just bleh these days. "Landslide" is played out. "Silver Springs" is just eh.

I just don't care much for "Come," though I wish they hadn't lifted the solo from The Dance and stuck it into the Live in Boston version because, to me, a big part of the charm of the Say You Will tour's renditions of "Go Your Own Way" was the resulting imperfections that came from Lindsey letting people play his guitar during the song.

I really wish they hadn't dropped "Destiny Rules" and they had it on the CD instead of one of Stevie's phone-it-in numbers. I also wish they had "Beautiful Child" and probably some other stuff that Stevie did a bit better. Hell, I wouldn't have minded if they'd put "Don't Stop" on there with Stevie singing Christine's parts.

They should have done the video and the CD(s) separately. And certainly give us more than 10 tracks people! This isn't the vinyl days!

[HomerMcvie]

And squash your fantasy of my being 16 and immature for my age, no thanks! :D
Sixteen would be my guess. Am I accurate?:D

[BTFLCHLD]

Sixteen would be my guess. Am I accurate?:D Yes, Homie...on the edge-of-seventeen :D

[David]

"Rhiannon" was okay with the "different arrangement" which was mostly dumping the piano and vocal stuff at the beginning, but it wasn't exactly exciting stuff.I've heard other people say it was a different arrangement, & I didn't know what the hell they were talking about because I had heard Rhiannons on the 2003 tour & there was nothing different about the arrangement.

So is the dumping of the piano & vocal intro the extent of it? is that all people mean by it?

[DestinyRules]

I've heard other people say it was a different arrangement, & I didn't know what the hell they were talking about because I had heard Rhiannons on the 2003 tour & there was nothing different about the arrangement.

So is the dumping of the piano & vocal intro the extent of it? is that all people mean by it?
That's what it sounds like. My comment was meant to suggest that I thought it was the same arrangement as pretty much every version of "Rhiannon" has been since about 1997.