I'm So Afraid....as a rap song?

[SweetGirl24]

When I work out, there is usually rap music playing in the weight room. So all of the sudden a song comes on with a sample of "I'm So Afraid" in the chorus. It was actually kinda good, and I can't find it. Does anyone know who sings it?

[Lala]

Really???

Ooo I wanna know who it is so I can hear it.

[Peestie]

That sounds... interesting. Though I'm not a rap fan.

If you speed ISA from the Dance up using Soundforge it actually sounds like a dance song. Just a pity I don't like dance music lol.

[Sahara]

Aarhghhg ....

I'm going to avoid this thread from now on. And I think I need a lie down. >,<

[mylittledemon]

When I work out, there is usually rap music playing in the weight room. So all of the sudden a song comes on with a sample of "I'm So Afraid" in the chorus. It was actually kinda good, and I can't find it. Does anyone know who sings it?

I do believe that's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard...and bummer if Lindsey allowed them to sample it.

[Jyqm]

I do believe that's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard...

But you haven't heard it yet...

Has anybody been able to find out what song this is? All of my various Google searches are getting me nowhere.

[mylittledemon]

But you haven't heard it yet...

Has anybody been able to find out what song this is? All of my various Google searches are getting me nowhere.

Yeah I know, the IDEA of it was one of the dumbest things I've ever heard, wiseass.

[SweetGirl24]

But you haven't heard it yet...

Has anybody been able to find out what song this is? All of my various Google searches are getting me nowhere.



Same here! I feel like I tried everything. Guess I'll never find it....


Why is everyone so negative? :distress:

[Jyqm]

Same here! I feel like I tried everything. Guess I'll never find it....

I'll keep digging around for it. Do you remember anything else about the song? A stray lyric or anything?

Why is everyone so negative? :distress:

Same reason a lot of people tend to piss all over opera, probably.

EDIT: I haven't found any trace of this mystery song anywhere, but I did find this: http://www.ezsite.bz/mashup/

Sounds... interesting?

EDIT #2: I also found this: http://www.htfr.com/more-info/?catno=MR167623

Listen to the mp3 sample of "Days Go By." This is f***ing HOT. I need to find out more about this group... I should also go post this in StevieLand.

[strandinthewind]

I can so hear it and it sounds cool in my head.

It would sound like "Wake me Up Inside" or whatever the name of that Evanescance song is. The part where the guy sings "Wake Me Up" a few times would be the "days when the" "days when the" "days when the" and the "sun sun sun" real fast.

Sadly, I cannot rap or I'd do a track on this comp. right now :eek:

Also, LB's former fro lends validity to him having the rap gene.

[strandinthewind]

. . . Same reason a lot of people tend to piss all over opera, probably.

I agree. I studied opera and sang it a little. My voice was just not good enough. I think if people could see the huge amount of talent it takes even to sing the notes, much less adhere to the phrasing and cadence - and all while unmiced thank you - they would like it more. Then, the music itself is awe inspiring.

But, they are never in English and usually are 3+ hours long - so most cannot abide that.

So, most of my generation got its opera from Loony Tunes - KILL THE WABBIT KILL THE WABBIT :laugh:

[DavidMn]

I almost ralphed when I saw this.

[WelshWitchPMD]

I wonder if it is the same guy who sampled "Oh Daddy'?

[sodascouts]

I guess I should hear it before passing judgment, but right now.... sounds like a BAD idea.

[Sahara]

So, most of my generation got its opera from Loony Tunes - KILL THE WABBIT KILL THE WABBIT :laugh:

Legend!! :laugh:

[seeker007nmss]

Rap..... ugh. Another untalented group who has to sample rather than writing their own music. :mad:

[Jyqm]

Rap..... ugh. Another untalented group who has to sample rather than writing their own music. :mad:

It truly boggles my mind that a Stevie Nicks fan would dare criticize another artist for not writing their own music. The woman knows no more than four chords, and half the time she has someone else write her music for her. The rest of the time, she has someone else arrange and produce it for her. And of course, let us not forget that two of her biggest hits are based on riffs stolen from Prince and The Police.

Not that anyone ought to expect many intelligent or informed opinions about rap music on a Fleetwood Mac message board, but still.

[seeker007nmss]

It truly boggles my mind that a Stevie Nicks fan would dare criticize another artist for not writing their own music. The woman knows no more than four chords, and half the time she has someone else write her music for her. The other rest of the time, she has someone else arrange it for her. And of course, let us not forget that two of her biggest hits are based on riffs stolen from Prince and The Police.

Not that anyone ought to expect many intelligent or informed opinions about rap music on a Fleetwood Mac message board, but still.

Yup Sara, Gypsie, Rhiannon all stolen riffs. Yup.

Okay....Everytime I see a rap group, Where is the Band? Bad poetry and a bass machine? OOh...and scratch records? there you go. Let's complain about the "hood" while sitting on expensive cars, wearing tacky "bling" and degrating women in the video. Throw in cursing and attitude, Oh yeah, I am all over it. Real classy.

I don't care what people listen too. Each there own. But I can't stand having to listen to it every time I pull up to a light in traffic cause they have the bass high enough to remove my fillings.

And I highly doubt any rap group will last 30+ years.

[Jyqm]

Yup Sara, Gypsie, Rhiannon all stolen riffs. Yup.

The "riffs" on those songs weren't stolen, they were given to her free of charge by Lindsey.

Okay....Everytime I see a rap group, Where is the Band?

I don't know, man. I have a similar problem every time I go to the Philharmonic. "Where's the f***ing guitars?!" I yell. But instead of admitting the legitimacy of my point, they just throw me out on the street.

This other time I went to this Andy Warhol exhibition, and I was like, "Dude! You didn't even draw that! That's just some picture of Marilyn Monroe! Double you tee eff?" They threw me out of there too.

If you're really dying to see a hip hop "band," though, I'd suggest The Roots.

Bad poetry and a bass machine?

Yeah, at least Stevie doesn't use a bass machine.

OOh...and scratch records? there you go. Let's complain about the "hood" while sitting on expensive cars, wearing tacky "bling" and degrating women in the video. Throw in cursing and attitude, Oh yeah, I am all over it. Real classy.

Yes, there sure is a lot of really ****ty rap music out there. And there sure are a lot of god awful rappers who flaunt their wealth and treat women like crap and rap about idiotic ****. Just as there are ****ty songs and ****ty, stereotypical artists in any genre of music. But what does that have to do with this group that you know absolutely nothing about?

And I highly doubt any rap group will last 30+ years.

The Beatles lasted nine. But regardless, there really aren't very many rap "groups" to begin with.

[seeker007nmss]

But what does that have to do with this group that you know absolutely nothing about?




Because I want to lump them all in one group and not look into it any farther than I have too. It is so much easier to make sweeping statements than actually look at possible facts. :p

[seeker007nmss]

This other time I went to this Andy Warhol exhibition, and I was like, "Dude! You didn't even draw that! That's just some picture of Marilyn Monroe! Double you tee eff?" They threw me out of there too.

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You too! I thought I was the only one! :D

[Jyqm]

Because I want to lump them all in one group and not look into it any farther than I have too. It is so much easier to make sweeping statements than actually look at possible facts. :p

That's all I was looking for. Thanks!

[seeker007nmss]

That's all I was looking for. Thanks!


Okay, one jumping kitty for you!

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a88/Dreamtimezzz/jumping-cats.jpg

[sodascouts]

The "riffs" on those songs weren't stolen, they were given to her free of charge by Lindsey.

Rhiannon, I'll grant you. Gypsy, to a degree. Sara? You gotta be kidding me.

[Jason T.]

Why is everyone so negative? :distress:

I'm not entirely sure -- one would think that they would be interested in finding out which song it is before deciding that it is the worst thing that has ever happened to Fleetwood Mac -- HELLO -- Courtney Love...

And personally -- categorizing an entire genre based on the mainstream is completely invalid and cruel...I think it would be awesome if Fleetwood Mac's influence spread beyond the Pop/Rock base.

[Johnny Stew]

The "riffs" on those songs weren't stolen, they were given to her free of charge by Lindsey.I believe it was Stevie who wrote the "Rhiannon" "riff" -- it's certainly present in even the oldest piano demos I've heard for the song. Lindsey simply translated it to guitar.
I also believe the "riff" to "Gypsy" was written before Lindsey worked on it and is present in the demos/outtakes she recorded during the 'Bella Donna' session.
And the more I read, it seems Lindsey had very little to do with the construction of "Sara"... so if credit really belongs to anyone other than Stevie, it was Tom Moncrief.

As far as rap -- hopefully I'm allowed to say that I don't care for it much, without sounding close-minded. There have been a few tracks I've liked to one degree or another, but nothing that's ever truly impressed me or stuck with me. I'm too much of a melody & harmony kind of guy.

[HomerMcvie]

I believe it was Stevie who wrote the "Rhiannon" "riff" -- it's certainly present in even the oldest piano demos I've heard for the song. Lindsey simply translated it to guitar.
I also believe the "riff" to "Gypsy" was written before Lindsey worked on it and is present in the demos/outtakes she recorded during the 'Bella Donna' session.
And the more I read, it seems Lindsey had very little to do with the construction of "Sara"... so if credit really belongs to anyone other than Stevie, it was Tom Moncrief.
Yep, I'm sure you're right. She's a genius. She's a regular Blob Dylan!:wavey:

As far as rap -- hopefully I'm allowed to say that I don't care for it much, without sounding close-minded. There have been a few tracks I've liked to one degree or another, but nothing that's ever truly impressed me or stuck with me. I'm too much of a melody & harmony kind of guy.
On THIS, we agree, my friend. Rap blows goats.:thumbsup:

[Johnny Stew]

Speaking of one-note songs....
Yep, I'm sure you're right. She's a genius. She's a regular Blob Dylan!:wavey:I never said she's a genius, Homeslice... but I think when comparing and contrasting the earliest demos of each of these songs to the finished tracks, it becomes clear that what most people consider to be the basic "riff" of each, was indeed written by Stevie on the piano.

[David]

I believe it was Stevie who wrote the "Rhiannon" "riff" -- it's certainly present in even the oldest piano demos I've heard for the song. Lindsey simply translated it to guitar.No she didn't do it right. She used major & minor thirds all the way through the riff, but that's dumb. When you get to the end of the first half of the riff, you have to maintain the A minor, so you need to use a fourth, not a third. Lindsey turned that one third into a fourth. Not that it makes a huge difference--I doubt more than fifty people on the Ledge even recognize it--but it was an incorrect Stevie interval. Plus, Stevie didn't give the "riff" any real metrical value: the chords all fall right on the quarter-note downbeat. Lindsey gave the "riff" an appropriate short-fast metrical pattern, a syncopative value. The world has been singing it ever since.
I also believe the "riff" to "Gypsy" was written before Lindsey worked on it and is present in the demos/outtakes she recorded during the 'Bella Donna' session. Uhh, which riff are you talking about? Lindsey added the only riff I can hear: the pentatonic arpeggio. The Heartbreakers weren't doing that. The only thing they do is just jam away on the chord progression. I mean, that pentatonic thing adds the singular quality to the whole song. I even took that pentatonic riff & wrote a little song when I was a teenager, which I will post here if no one minds. The whole thing was built from & developed from the Gypsy pentatonic riff.
And the more I read, it seems Lindsey had very little to do with the construction of "Sara"... so if credit really belongs to anyone other than Stevie, it was Tom Moncrief. I'm sorry but I doubt it. I think Stevie essentially constructed Sara. Now here is an instance where Stevie's piano riff (not just the notes but the metrical value) is carried over verbatim into the final product.
As far as rap -- hopefully I'm allowed to say that I don't care for it much, without sounding close-minded.What does aesthetic taste have to do with closedmindedness or openmindedness, which are intellectual qualities rather than emotional responses to aesthetics? Just say: I hate rap music.

I sure do!

[Johnny Stew]

No she didn't do it right.I realize that Lindsey tweaked it... I shouldn't have said "he simply translated it to guitar." That's not totally accurate. But, the basics were already there before Lindsey worked on it, no? So I wouldn't say that he "gave" her that riff, as Jyqm worded it. If anything, I'd say he "fixed" it.

Uhh, which riff are you talking about? Lindsey added the only riff I can hear: the pentatonic arpeggio. The Heartbreakers weren't doing that. The only thing they do is just jam away on the chord progression.I guess it's the chord progression that I'm hearing, and considered to be the "riff" Stevie would have written. But I see your point about what Lindsey added to the song, and I'll concede that that's the more memorable part of the music.

I'm sorry but I doubt it. I think Stevie essentially constructed Sara.No need to apologize -- I just didn't want to downplay whatever role Moncrief may have played in the construction of "Sara."

Just say: I hate rap music.David says it's ok, so... I HATE RAP (I can't bear to call it "music")! ;)

[Jyqm]

As far as rap -- hopefully I'm allowed to say that I don't care for it much, without sounding close-minded. There have been a few tracks I've liked to one degree or another, but nothing that's ever truly impressed me or stuck with me. I'm too much of a melody & harmony kind of guy.

Of course you are, when you say it intelligently like that and don't pass off an entire genre of music as utter crap performed by untalented people, and as long as you don't bring up the ridiculous argument that it sucks because "they don't write their own music."

Nobody has to like anything, but opinions should always be well-informed and intelligent.

[cliffdweller]

I HATE RAP (I can't bear to call it "music")! ;)

You sound like my dad. He's almost 60 btw. :p :laugh:

Look peeps the deal is, you don't have to like rap. It ain't for everyone, just like many other genres of music out there. It doesn't tickle everyone's fancy and that's cool. I just don't like all the lame arguements people try to pull out when they start to talk about why they de-value it as an art form. Like David said, just say you don't like it and move on. But saying you hate it, and then trying to place value judgements on why it's an inferior form of art is going too far and will never fly. There aren't enough pages on a thread to adequately hash out that argument. But I will say that I think Jyqm has done a good job defending it as a totally legitimate and valuable form of music, so I'll defer to what he has already said on the subject. Hey, that was easy! :laugh:

[Johnny Stew]

You sound like my dad. He's almost 60 btw. :p :laugh::laugh:

In my defense, rap started really gaining in popularity when I was around 15, and I despised it at that age, too. ;)

[WelshWitchPMD]

:laugh:

In my defense, rap started really gaining in popularity when I was around 15, and I despised it at that age, too. ;)


I bet that you remember Sugar Hill Gang, Run DMC and LL Cool J.:laugh: I know I do.

[Jyqm]

You sound like my dad. He's almost 60 btw. :p :laugh:

Look peeps the deal is, you don't have to like rap. It ain't for everyone, just like many other genres of music out there. It doesn't tickle everyone's fancy and that's cool. I just don't like all the lame arguements people try to pull out when they start to talk about why they de-value it as an art form. Like David said, just say you don't like it and move on. But saying you hate it, and then trying to place value judgements on why it's an inferior form of art is going too far and will never fly. There aren't enough pages on a thread to adequately hash out that argument. But I will say that I think Jyqm has done a good job defending it as a totally legitimate and valuable form of music, so I'll defer to what he has already said on the subject. Hey, that was easy! :laugh:

Well said. (Even if in the end you jsut deferred to what I said...) But yeah, to reiterate: of course not everybody is going to like rap, and of course some folks are really going to hate it. That's fine, but the arguments that attempt to de-value it as a legitimate form of music are, as cliffdweller said, lame.

And I say that as somebody who at one time made all of those same arguments. I spent more or less the entirety of high school immersing myself in classic rock (Fleetwood Mac, Zeppelin, Floyd, Beatles, Stones, Springsteen, all that stuff), and I didn't like rap, and I trotted out all that same pretentious rockstar bull****, "It's not real music, they're not playing any instruments and it's all pre-recorded loops, wahh wahh wahh!" But pretentious rockstar bull**** is all that is.

[Sugar]

Yup Sara...all stolen riffs. Yup.

Actually she stole the Sara riff from "Be My Baby." Am I the only with that piano demo where she says that's the sound she's looking for on this?


Okay....Everytime I see a rap group, Where is the Band? Bad poetry and a bass machine? OOh...and scratch records? there you go. Let's complain about the "hood" while sitting on expensive cars, wearing tacky "bling" and degrating women in the video. Throw in cursing and attitude, Oh yeah, I am all over it. Real classy.


A good part of your criticisms are valid, IMHO. There's plenty of crap rap, but you can say that about any art form. I don't listen to a lot of rap, and I only own two rap albums (Ice-T, Original Gangster and Beasties, Ill Communication) and I would not consider the poetry on either of these to be bad.

I've said it before and I'll say it again...rap artists...THE GOOD ONES... are the only ones paying attention to rhyme and rhythm these days as far as I can figure. The good ones are the closest things we have to Shakespeare today. :nod:

[cliffdweller]

Well said. (Even if in the end you jsut deferred to what I said...)

Yeah, well, I'm tired. And you spelled "just" incorrectly btw.


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