You create the best album

[gypsysoul]

Hello
This is my first ever post on this board. I've enjoyed reading many of the old threads but haven't seen everything yet. So, sorry if this has been done before but:

If you had to create a Fleetwood mac album for someone who knew nothing about the band, which 3 tracks would you choose to best represent Lindsey, Christine and Stevie.
You can choose one bonus track that you love as the 10th song.

My choices are quite mainstream. you can make yours as adventurous as you like.

La Nicks
1. DREAMS (yes, it's over played and i get tired of it sometimes but it's the song that introduced me to FM and I love it. Haunting, ethereal, it's the essence of Stevie)

2. RHIANNON (this IS Stevie)

3. GYPSY (Stevie's heart and Liddy's guitar - brilliant combination)

The Buckmeister

1. GO YOUR OWN WAY ( Lindsey's rock classic for the ages)

2. TUSK (title track from his masterpiece album)

3. BIG LOVE (guitar god)

The songbird

1. YOU MAKE LOVING FUN (Perfect track, the essence of Christine)

2. DON'T STOP (classic. Again, yes it's overplayed but because it's great)

3. MYSTIFIED (I know it's co written with Lindsey but i love her vocal on this -golden throat)

Bonus - this was tough. Could change but for now I'm in a 'Bleed to love her ' mood.

[Miss Vicky]

If I had to create a Fleetwood mac album for someone who knew nothing about the band...

I sure as hell wouldn't limit it to just songs by Lindsey, Stevie, and Christine. If I did that, the person would still pretty much know nothing about the band.

[chiliD]

If I were to give somebody who has never heard Fleetwood Mac an album that is an overview sample of what Fleetwood Mac sounds like, I certainly wouldn't limit it to just the Rumours crew.

My Fleetwood Mac sampler:

Black Magic Woman
Shake Your Moneymaker
Albatross
Oh Well
Station Man
Buddy's Song
Woman Of A 1000 Years
Hypnotized
Why
Rhiannon
Say You Love Me
Dreams
Go Your Own Way
You Make Loving Fun
Tusk
Isn't It Midnight
In The Back Of My Mind
Winds Of Change
Say You Will
Peacekeeper


EDIT: DANG, Vicky...it's another synchronous moment.

[Miss Vicky]

EDIT: DANG, Vicky...it's another synchronous moment.

LMAO...

Great minds think alike.

I'll have to give it some thought and come up with my own list.

[foxyluva]

If I were to give somebody who has never heard Fleetwood Mac an album that is an overview sample of what Fleetwood Mac sounds like, I certainly wouldn't limit it to just the Rumours crew.

My Fleetwood Mac sampler:

Black Magic Woman
Shake Your Moneymaker
Albatross
Oh Well
Station Man
Buddy's Song
Woman Of A 1000 Years
Hypnotized
Why
Rhiannon
Say You Love Me
Dreams
Go Your Own Way
You Make Loving Fun
Tusk
Isn't It Midnight
In The Back Of My Mind
Winds Of Change
Say You Will
Peacekeeper


EDIT: DANG, Vicky...it's another synchronous moment.

For the first time ever, I agree with you :laugh: Thats a great overview of the history of FM - maybe you should include something from The Dance though :shrug:

[chiliD]

For the first time ever, I agree with you :laugh: Thats a great overview of the history of FM - maybe you should include something from The Dance though :shrug:

Good suggestion. Probably "Silver Springs"...and I also forgot "The Chain".

[Sahara]

Hello
This is my first ever post on this board. I've enjoyed reading many of the old threads but haven't seen everything yet. So, sorry if this has been done before but:

If you had to create a Fleetwood mac album for someone who knew nothing about the band, which 3 tracks would you choose to best represent Lindsey, Christine and Stevie.
You can choose one bonus track that you love as the 10th song.

My choices are quite mainstream. you can make yours as adventurous as you like.

La Nicks
1. DREAMS (yes, it's over played and i get tired of it sometimes but it's the song that introduced me to FM and I love it. Haunting, ethereal, it's the essence of Stevie)

2. RHIANNON (this IS Stevie)

3. GYPSY (Stevie's heart and Liddy's guitar - brilliant combination)

The Buckmeister

1. GO YOUR OWN WAY ( Lindsey's rock classic for the ages)

2. TUSK (title track from his masterpiece album)

3. BIG LOVE (guitar god)

The songbird

1. YOU MAKE LOVING FUN (Perfect track, the essence of Christine)

2. DON'T STOP (classic. Again, yes it's overplayed but because it's great)

3. MYSTIFIED (I know it's co written with Lindsey but i love her vocal on this -golden throat)

Bonus - this was tough. Could change but for now I'm in a 'Bleed to love her ' mood.

Hi! Welcome to the board! :wavey:

It's a tough thing to do. I think I'd more or less agree with you [apart from Mystified, I might replace it with Isn't it Midnight] -- not because those are necessarily my favourite songs, but because they do sort of epitimise what each singer is about.

Interesting!

[foxyluva]

Good suggestion. Probably "Silver Springs"...and I also forgot "The Chain".

:D I think you should include something from mirage too - "Gypsy" :shrug: & maybe another song for both TITN & Tusk (both being important albums)

[dontlookdown]

i think i'd put three songs that best represent them as a band -
not necessarily one by each writer -
so probably

World Turning
The Chain
Dreams




3 songs is hard to capture this band.
I think 10 songs would be a better representation -
then you can include Black Magic Woman, Albatross and songs from Say You Will.

[jbrownsjr]

If I were to give somebody who has never heard Fleetwood Mac an album that is an overview sample of what Fleetwood Mac sounds like, I certainly wouldn't limit it to just the Rumours crew.

My Fleetwood Mac sampler:

Black Magic Woman
Shake Your Moneymaker
Albatross
Oh Well
Station Man
Buddy's Song
Woman Of A 1000 Years
Hypnotized
Why
Rhiannon
Say You Love Me
Dreams
Go Your Own Way
You Make Loving Fun
Tusk
Isn't It Midnight
In The Back Of My Mind
Winds Of Change
Say You Will
Peacekeeper


EDIT: DANG, Vicky...it's another synchronous moment.

Please no Say You Will... I hate that song... add Songbird and Illume..

return to me for approval! :laugh:

[ryan8472]

I like Chili's sampler as well. But I also would add like, Silver Springs and Gypsy. :nod:

^Not somthing you order from the Chili's restaurant. What chiliD posted. :nod: :laugh:

[Peestie]

OK, from just the Rumours crew I'd have to have:

Lindsey's songs (to be honest I could put in so many more for Lindsey, his music really connects with me):

I'm So Afraid (not sure if it would be live or studio, but this is the song I think of when I think of Lindsey)
Big Love (Live - it doesn't fail to impress everyone I've ever let hear it.)
Go Your Own Way (Couldn't not put it in after all :cool: )

Christine's songs:

You Make Loving Fun (I just had to put it in)
Isn't It Midnight (Some really good stuff going on in this song)
Don't Stop (Just because... well... it's Don't Stop! Everyone likes it, atleast until they've heard it a million times :rolleyes: )

Stevie's songs:

Rhiannon (essential Stevie Nicks)
Silver Springs (Live - loadsa passion in this song, just great)
Dreams (:thumbsup: )

For the bonus song I would probably put in The Chain since it was a whole band effort and an excellent song, but I'm very tempted to chose another Buckingham song since there are so many more I would want to put in lol.

[David]

Lindsey: Tusk, Bwana, A Satisfied Mind
Chris: YMLF, Did You Ever Love Me, Heroes Are Hard to Find
Stevie: Crystal, GDW, Everybody Finds Out
Dave: The Derelict
Bob Welch: Keep On Going, Angel, Safe Harbour
Peter: Another Woman, Before the Beginning, Man of the World

[DavidMn]

Hello
This is my first ever post on this board. I've enjoyed reading many of the old threads but haven't seen everything yet. So, sorry if this has been done before but:

If you had to create a Fleetwood mac album for someone who knew nothing about the band, which 3 tracks would you choose to best represent Lindsey, Christine and Stevie.
You can choose one bonus track that you love as the 10th song.

My choices are quite mainstream. you can make yours as adventurous as you like.

La Nicks
1. DREAMS (yes, it's over played and i get tired of it sometimes but it's the song that introduced me to FM and I love it. Haunting, ethereal, it's the essence of Stevie)

2. RHIANNON (this IS Stevie)

3. GYPSY (Stevie's heart and Liddy's guitar - brilliant combination)

The Buckmeister

1. GO YOUR OWN WAY ( Lindsey's rock classic for the ages)

2. TUSK (title track from his masterpiece album)

3. BIG LOVE (guitar god)

The songbird

1. YOU MAKE LOVING FUN (Perfect track, the essence of Christine)

2. DON'T STOP (classic. Again, yes it's overplayed but because it's great)

3. MYSTIFIED (I know it's co written with Lindsey but i love her vocal on this -golden throat)

Bonus - this was tough. Could change but for now I'm in a 'Bleed to love her ' mood.Welcome! Heres the list I put together:


1.Oh Well
2.Albatross
3.Green Manalishi
4.Why
5. Hypnotized
6. Landslide
7.Over My Head
8.The Chain
9. Gold Dust Woman
10.Dreams
11.Sara
12.Think About Me
13.Gypsy
14.Everywhere
15. Isnt It Midnight
16.Save Me
17.Big Love(The Dance)
18.Steal Your Heart Away
19.Illume
20.Throwndown.

[Jyqm]

Screw you guys, I'm making mine a two album set. There's simply no fully satisfying way to narrow it down any further (and even this still isn't as good as I'd like):

Black Magic Woman
Shake Your Moneymaker
Love That Burns
Dust My Broom
Oh Well
Man Of The World
Somebody's Gonna Get Their Head Kicked In Tonight
Station Man
Woman Of 1000 Years
Future Games
Sentimental Lady
Dust
Spare Me A Little Of Your Love
The Derelict (for you, David)
Hypnotized
Come A Little Bit Closer
Miles Away
Why
---
Over My Head
Rhiannon
Dreams
Go Your Own Way
You Make Loving Fun
Sara
Tusk
I Know I'm Not Wrong
Gypsy
Hold Me
Tango In The Night
Isn't It Midnight
In The Back Of My Mind
Talkin' To My Heart
Big Love (The Dance)
Silver Springs (The Dance)
Everybody Finds Out
Say Goodbye

[DavidMn]

Screw you guys, I'm making mine a two album set. There's simply no fully satisfying way to narrow it down any further (and even this still isn't as good as I'd like):

Black Magic Woman
Shake Your Moneymaker
Love That Burns
Dust My Broom
Oh Well
Man Of The World
Somebody's Gonna Get Their Head Kicked In Tonight
Station Man
Woman Of 1000 Years
Future Games
Sentimental Lady
Dust
Spare Me A Little Of Your Love
The Derelict (for you, David)
Hypnotized
Come A Little Bit Closer
Miles Away
Why
---
Over My Head
Rhiannon
Dreams
Go Your Own Way
You Make Loving Fun
Sara
Tusk
I Know I'm Not Wrong
Gypsy
Hold Me
Tango In The Night
Isn't It Midnight
In The Back Of My Mind
Talkin' To My Heart
Big Love (The Dance)
Silver Springs (The Dance)
Everybody Finds Out
Say GoodbyeYeah youre probably right about the 2 cd thing.:laugh:

[chiliD]

Ok, ok...I slaved & sweated over cutting it to one disc...but, now that the lid is off the kettle, I'd actually just make it a 10 disc box set.

[cliffdweller]

Hello
This is my first ever post on this board. I've enjoyed reading many of the old threads but haven't seen everything yet. So, sorry if this has been done before but:

If you had to create a Fleetwood mac album for someone who knew nothing about the band, which 3 tracks would you choose to best represent Lindsey, Christine and Stevie.
You can choose one bonus track that you love as the 10th song.

My choices are quite mainstream. you can make yours as adventurous as you like.

La Nicks
1. DREAMS (yes, it's over played and i get tired of it sometimes but it's the song that introduced me to FM and I love it. Haunting, ethereal, it's the essence of Stevie)

2. RHIANNON (this IS Stevie)

3. GYPSY (Stevie's heart and Liddy's guitar - brilliant combination)

The Buckmeister

1. GO YOUR OWN WAY ( Lindsey's rock classic for the ages)

2. TUSK (title track from his masterpiece album)

3. BIG LOVE (guitar god)

The songbird

1. YOU MAKE LOVING FUN (Perfect track, the essence of Christine)

2. DON'T STOP (classic. Again, yes it's overplayed but because it's great)

3. MYSTIFIED (I know it's co written with Lindsey but i love her vocal on this -golden throat)

Bonus - this was tough. Could change but for now I'm in a 'Bleed to love her ' mood.


Cool thread. The Rumours line-up is my favorite too, so I'd also choose songs from these particular songwriters :thumbsup:.

Stevie: Rhiannon, Gold Dust Woman, Storms

Lindsey: Go Your Own Way, Tusk, Big Love (acoustic)

Christine: Think About Me, Songbird, You Make Loving Fun

[cliffdweller]

Screw you guys, I'm making mine a two album set. There's simply no fully satisfying way to narrow it down any further

Always the malcontent :rolleyes: :laugh: :xoxo:

[foxyluva]

I think giving them the chain boxset - plus a CD of tracks from Time, Dance & SYW would be a good overview :shrug:

[Jyqm]

I think giving them the chain boxset - plus a CD of tracks from Time, Dance & SYW would be a good overview :shrug:

Well, I'll give you points for originality. I think you're the first person in the history of the universe to think that the Chain box set makes for a good overview of anything.

Makes a good gift for anyone in need of coasters, anyway.

[foxyluva]

Well, I'll give you points for originality. I think you're the first person in the history of the universe to think that the Chain box set makes for a good overview of anything.

Makes a good gift for anyone in need of coasters, anyway.

:laugh: I think that it is a great overview, probably too much 80's material - but still a great overview of the band.

Can I ask why people don't like it?

[Jyqm]

:laugh: I think that it is a great overview, probably too much 80's material - but still a great overview of the band.

Can I ask why people don't like it?

Well, for starters, the sequencing is beyond bizarre and awful; nobody can salvage any understanding of the band's history from this set.

Second, out of a total of 72 songs, a whopping 21 are devoted to the first seven years of the band's history, a period during which the band released nearly twice as many albums as they did in the period from 1975 through 1992, which is represented with 51 songs. And 10 of those 21 pre-1975 selections are Peter Green songs.

Bob Welch, who was a member and frontman of the band for over three years and five albums, is represented here with a total of three songs. Jeremy Spencer and Danny Kirwan fare even worse, with two apiece. Meanwhile, Christine has 20, Lindsey 17, Stevie 15.

The albums Fleetwood Mac (1968), Kiln House, Future Games and Bare Trees are represented by one track each. Meanwhile, Rumours gets nine out eleven.

How can you really consider this to be a good overview of the band's history and music? It's so ridiculously skewed, it would be laughable if it weren't so honestly disappointing.

[Villavic]

I agree that limiting to those 3 songwriters does not explain entirely about Fleetwood Mac. But.. I will follow the game:

La Nicks
Gypsy
Landslide
Sara
sorry I left out Silver Springs, but it's not tthe landmark type song.


The Buckmeister
GO YOUR OWN WAY ( Lindsey's rock classic for the ages, I agree
TUSK
So Afraid or Tango in the night

Christine
YOU MAKE LOVING FUN
Everywhere
Songbird

TWO Bonus: THE CHAIN!!!!! and Farmers daughter

[gypsysoul]

Great choices everyone.

I actually want to change one of my own!
For Christine I think i'd rather have Say You Love me instead of 'You make loving fun'

(I only chose the Rumours crew because that is this section of the board but ofcourse you can widen it)

And thanks David Mn and sahara for welcoming me to the board. Nice to be here. It's a great board.

[David]

:laugh: I think that it is a great overview, probably too much 80's material - but still a great overview of the band.

Can I ask why people don't like it?I don't like albums or collections that just give me what I already own. So I would have liked it better if it had been a bunch of things that I wasn't able to buy elsewhere.

That goes for the photos, too.

[DavidMn]

Well, I made up 2 cd's of my favorite songs awhile back, and I'm very happy with them. Here they are:


CD#1

1. Albatross
2. Oh Well(from the live at the bbc cd)
3. Hypnotized
4. Landslide
5. The Chain
6. Gold Dust Woman
7. Dreams
8. Never Going Back Again
9. Songbird
10. Sara
11. Walk A Thin Line
12. Over And Over
13. I Know I'm Not Wrong
14. Think About Me
15. Angel(Stevie)
16. Gypsy
17. Everywhere
18. Steal Your Heart Away
19. Illume
20. Love Minus Zero/No Limit

CD#2

1. Fleetwood Mac
2. Green Manalishi
3. Man Of The World
4. Woman Of 1000 Years
5. The Way I Feel
6. Why
7. Coming Home
8. Safe Harbour
9. Warm Ways
10. Say You Love Me
11. Over My Head
12. Oh Daddy
13. I Don't Want To Know
14. Save Me A Place
15. Never Make Me Cry
16. Beautiful Child
17. Brown Eyes
18. Big Love(The Dance)
19. Isn't It Midnight
20. Throwndown
21. Peacekeeper

[cliffdweller]

How can you really consider this to be a good overview of the band's history and music?

It isn't really. And correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you might also be working under the assumption that most Fleetwood Mac fans would WANT a large quantity of pre-Rumours line-up material on a F.M. boxed set, which I don't think is the case. And I'm assuming that it's mostly fans that would buy a F.M. boxed set. If we're talking casual fans buying the boxed set, (if in fact they WOULD buy it) I'm sure they couldn't care less about pre-Buckingham/Nicks F.M. So with that in mind, and assuming my first statement is correct, the amount of pre-Rumours line-up material on the boxed set is plenty; it's a good enough overview, if not perfect. I mean, they can't release an 8 disc boxed set now can they? :laugh: It would be nice, but forget about it.

Anyway, and I know this isn't going to sit well with some of you (Chilli, Jyqm, etc), but I NEVER listen to the pre-Rumours lineup disc in The Chain boxed set. In fact, I think I've only listened to it once, and that's when I first bought it. I'm only mildly interested in pre-Rumours line-ups, so the boxed set, as it is, suits me just fine where that's concerned. I do agree that the running order is **** and I also think that they should have included a few more live versions of songs, and maybe BETTER live versions...I'm not too crazy about the version of Stand Back that's on there, seems like they could have chosen a better performance. But all in all, the boxed set isn't that bad. I enjoy it.

[Jyqm]

It isn't really. But I think you are also working under the assumption that most Fleetwood Mac fans WANT a large quantity of pre-Rumours line-up material on a F.M. boxed set, which I don't think is the case.

But we weren't talking about what most people might want, we were talking about whether or not the box set is a good overview of the band's history. It's not. It's not even a good overview of the 1975-1992 period. It's just a terrible set.

And I'm assuming that it's mostly fans that would buy a F.M. boxed set. If we're talking casual fans buying the boxed set, (if in fact they WOULD buy it) I'm sure they couldn't care less about pre-Buckingham/Nicks F.M. :shrug:

Casual fans tend not to buy box sets, period. The only people who really buy box sets are people who know almost nothing about an artist and want a good introduction, or (usually much more likely) die-hard fans. Of course, there are two very different types of box sets to be marketed to each of those groups. The former are going to want something that gives them a good overview of the artist's catalogue and most important music (for example: Johnny Cash, The Legend); the latter are going to want something that gives them music that they don't already have (for example: Johnny Cash, Unearthed). The Chain tries lazily to have it both ways on this front - juxtaposing hits with a handful of unreleased tracks and barely-different alternate versions of released songs - and fails miserably.

That aside, the claim that people don't want pre-1975 Mac simply isn't true, at least insofar as it pertains to the Peter Green era of the band. The fact that record companies keep releasing and re-releasing so much material from this period proves that there is a very solid market out there for it.

Of course, the conflict of interest tends to come in combining the different eras of the band, because obviously there are people who are fans of some incarnations and not others. My response to that would be, if Fleetwood Mac really wanted to offer a good career-spanning retrospective, then release four individual discs (something like 1967-1970, 1970-1974, 1975-1982, 1987-present) at normal prices, along with a box set of all four at a discounted price. That way you could pick and choose if you wanted, or get the whole package. But that's all moot anyway, since I don't see anything like this ever happening, especially since The Very Best was released so recently and is a pretty decent overview of the 1975-1987 (+ 1997) period. (Really, I think the only thing keeping that set from being very good is the "What was the point?" inclusion of the last four songs: "As Long As you Follow," "No Questions Asked," "Skies The Limit" and "Paper Doll." They simply don't fit with the rest of what's on there, and they seem ingloriously tacked on to the end merely to fill space. Including stuff like "Fireflies" or "Eyes Of The World" or "I Know I'm Not Wrong" or "Isn't It Midnight" would have made a lot more aesthetic sense.)

Anyway, and I know this isn't going to sit well with some of you (Chilli, Jyqm, etc), but I NEVER listen to the pre-Rumours lineup disc in The Chain boxed set. In fact, I think I've only listened to it once, and that's when I first bought it.

That sits fine with me. If you don't like Peter Green, you don't like Peter Green. I certainly would never demand that everybody like all the same music around here. I don't like everything Fleetwood Mac has ever done; I think Mr Wonderful, Penguin and Time are incredibly uneven albums, and I think Behind the Mask is downright terrible. The only thing I object to is when people pass off other incarnations of the bands as though they were unimportant or somehow lesser versions of Fleetwood Mac. (Or when they imply that "casual fans" have zero interest in other incarnations of the band. There are plenty of people who are "casual fans" of the Green years, and even the Welch years, although to a lesser extent.)

However, I would say that The Chain gives you such a terrible, paltry sampling of the post-Green, pre-Buckingham/Nicks years, that you really can't have a very informed opinion of whether you like much of that music or not, if that's all you've heard of it. And it's worth checking out if you have a chance.

[SortaSavageLike]

But that's all moot anyway, since I don't see anything like this ever happening, especially since The Very Best was released so recently and is a pretty decent overview of the 1975-1987 (+ 1997) period. (Really, I think the only thing keeping that set from being very good is the "What was the point?" inclusion of the last four songs: "As Long As you Follow," "No Questions Asked," "Skies The Limit" and "Paper Doll." They simply don't fit with the rest of what's on there, and they seem ingloriously tacked on to the end merely to fill space. Including stuff like "Fireflies" or "Eyes Of The World" or "I Know I'm Not Wrong" or "Isn't It Midnight" would have made a lot more aesthetic sense.)


I can listen to VBOFM all the way through to Hold Me. After that, I skip everything except World Turning and Sisters of the Moon. Christine's songs after that are dull AC, Seven Wonders annoys me, No Questions Asked is annoying, bratty, and muddy (I swear, I've almost fallen asleep listening to it), Family Man is well, Family Man, and Paper Doll is catchy but instantly disposable. It's like they just pulled songs out of a hat. The first time I listened to Tusk I was like, "woah, why didn't they put more of these songs on that "best of" set?

[Jyqm]

I can listen to VBOFM all the way through to Hold Me. After that, I skip everything except World Turning and Sisters of the Moon. Christine's songs after that are dull AC, Seven Wonders annoys me, No Questions Asked is annoying, bratty, and muddy (I swear, I've almost fallen asleep listening to it), Family Man is well, Family Man, and Paper Doll is catchy but instantly disposable. It's like they just pulled songs out of a hat. The first time I listened to Tusk I was like, "woah, why didn't they put more of these songs on that "best of" set?

I will forever defend the honor of "Family Man," which, setting aside the contents of the lyrics, contains some absolutely beautiful guitar work, plus the vocal effects are an important step in the great Lindsey-plays-with-voice-manipulation saga.

If "Family Man" and "When I See You Again" are the bastard children of Tango In The Night, I will gladly be their loving foster parent.

But yes, a couple more Tusk songs would certainly be in order on this set. Where's "Brown Eyes"? Where's "The Ledge"?

[HomerMcvie]

The only thing I object to is when people pass off other incarnations of the bands as though they were unimportant or somehow lesser versions of Fleetwood Mac. (Or when they imply that "casual fans" have zero interest in other incarnations of the band. There are plenty of people who are "casual fans" of the Green years.)

On this point, we couldn't possibly agree more. And THAT's the main reason people think I'm a Chiffon hater. Because that seems to be the prevalent attitude among ALOT of them. I personally think the Bob Welch years to be the best of FM. The transition the band makes through those five albums is amazing. I PRAY that someday these five will see remastering.
If it weren't for Bob Welch, Old What's Her Name would still be cleaning houses.

[cliffdweller]

But we weren't talking about what most people might want, we were talking about whether or not the box set is a good overview of the band's history

Yeah, I know. I guess my comment was more of an aside than anything. I think some fans get really hung up on pre-Rumours lineup F.M. and don't really like to face the fact that there are many more fans out there that don't listen to all those other incarnations. I think The Chain boxed set reflects that, I mean, how successful would a F.M. boxed set be that focused 50/50 on Pre and Post Rumours era lineups? I know I would be skipping many discs and it would be a waste of money for me. I think the simple fact of the matter is that most people want mainly Rumours era lineup, so one disc of pre is probably enough for the general listener.



The Chain tries lazily to have it both ways on this front - juxtaposing hits with a handful of unreleased tracks and barely-different alternate versions of released songs - and fails miserably.
It may not be the preferred smattering of F.M.'s catalogue, but I don't think it "fails miserably." That's a bit overly dramatic.


That aside, the claim that people don't want pre-1975 Mac simply isn't true, at least insofar as it pertains to the Peter Green era of the band.
I didn't say that NOONE wanted pre-1975 era F.M., I made the assumption (and it is only an assumption based on their popularity) that there are more F.M. fans (barring Chilli of course) who are mostly Rumours line-up fans than anything else. See all my qualifiers? I qualify like crazy! :]


If you don't like Peter Green, you don't like Peter Green.
Oh but I DO like Peter Green! It's all those others, that revolving door of guitarists sans Green that are milquetoast to me. I never said I don't like Peter Green, make no mistake about that.

[Jyqm]

Yeah, I know. I guess my comment was more of an aside than anything. I think some fans get really hung up on pre-Rumours lineup F.M. and don't really like to face the fact that there are many more fans out there that don't listen to all those other incarnations. I think The Chain boxed set reflects that, I mean, how successful would a F.M. boxed set be that focused 50/50 on Pre and Post Rumours era lineups? I know I would be skipping many discs and it would be a waste of money for me. I think the simple fact of the matter is that most people want mainly Rumours era lineup, so one disc of pre is probably enough for the general listener.

I don't think there are any pre-1975 Mac fans who don't realize and accept that the 1975-1987 line-up of the band was monstrously successful and that that is the incarnation of the band with which most people are familiar and the majority of people like. If we harp about those earlier incarnations, it's only because non-fans often strongly imply that there are so fewer fans of the ealrier eras as to render them almost meaningless and barely worth most people's time or attention. This simply isn't true.

As for how a 50/50 box set would fare, who knows. You would skip half the songs on it, and plenty of Green-era enthusiasts would skip the other half. Hence my suggestion of selling discs both individually and as a set, if they ever wanted to do it again.

It may not be the preferred smattering of F.M.'s catalogue, but I don't think it "fails miserably." That's a bit overly dramatic.

You sure? It sure seems like a pretty awful set to me. It's really the sequencing that makes it so terrible in my eyes. Sequencing on a one- or two-disc hits compilation isn't necessarily that important, but when you get into the realm of three- or four- or more-disc box sets, it's almost everything. When you're offering that much music, you need to give some sense of coherence or narrative, either chronologically or aesthetically. The Chain does neither and ends up being a big messy mish-mash. I could put my iPod on shuffle and come up with something better.

Oh but I DO like Peter Green! It's all those others, that revolving door of guitarists sans Green that are milquetoast to me. I never said I don't like Peter Green, make no mistake about that.

Putting aside the idea of Jeremy Spencer or Bob Weston as a "milquetoast" guitarists (that'd make a great new thread, though): over half of the songs on disc 4 of The Chain are Peter Green numbers, and you said you've listened to it twice in however long you've owned it. How much can you really like him?

[cliffdweller]

On this point, we couldn't possibly agree more. And THAT's the main reason people think I'm a Chiffon hater. Because that seems to be the prevalent attitude among ALOT of them.


Why does this come down to Stevie? I'm talking about the WHOLE Rumours era line-up including: John McVie, Mick Fleetwood, Lindsey Buckingham, Christine McVie, and Stevie Nicks. I'm not really happy about F.M. going on without Chris, I feel like the Rumours line-up is missing a crucial member, so it's not just Stevie that makes this particular lineup what it is to me. I prefer these five together over any other incarnation of Fleetwood Mac. Even though Stevie is my favorite, it's not just Stevie alone that makes this line-up the best in MY eyes.

[cliffdweller]

over half of the songs on disc 4 of The Chain are Peter Green numbers, and you said you've listened to it twice in however long you've owned it. How much can you really like him?

I do like him, I don't LOOOOOVE him, see the difference? My c.d. collection takes up an entire room of my house, point being I have other things I enjoy listening to more. I guess that's as simple as I can put it :shrug:

[Jyqm]

Why does this come down to Stevie? I'm talking about the WHOLE Rumours era line-up including: John McVie, Mick Fleetwood, Lindsey Buckingham, Christine McVie, and Stevie Nicks. I'm not really happy about F.M. going on without Chris, I feel like the Rumours line-up is missing a crucial member, so it's not just Stevie that makes this particular lineup what it is to me. I prefer these five together over any other incarnation of Fleetwood Mac. It's not just Stevie alone.

I think Homer's point was that it's generally the folks who identify themselves as "Stevie fans" who denigrate other eras of the band the most. Likely because there's more of them. It doesn't seem to come up as often in the attitudes of folks who identify themselves as "Lindsey fans." Possibly because there's fewer of them. And obviously it has no bearing at all on people who identify themselves as "Christine fans." She produced some of her very best stuff on those pre-1975 albums.

[Jyqm]

I do like him, I don't LOOOOOVE him, see the difference? My c.d. collection takes up an entire room of my house, point being I have other things I enjoy listening to more. I guess that's as simple as I can put it :shrug:

I mean, I don't want to argue silly semantics with you or anything, but there plenty of artists that I like but am not absolutely gaga over and I've listened to their music far more than twice. If I've got an album that I've only ever listened to twice, it probably didn't do very much for me. But again, this is just semantics, it's not about who's a bigger fan or who gets to call themselves a fan or whatever silly crap like that. I'm glad you appreciate him, and I hope you delve into more of his stuff sometimes if you have a chance, as it's really a wealth of riches.

[cliffdweller]

And obviously it has no bearing at all on people who identify themselves as "Christine fans." She produced some of her very best stuff on those pre-1975 albums.


And from what I've heard of it, I'd agree. I like Chris, I think she's a great vocalist, songwriter, and pianist/keyboard player. I just don't "connect" to much of the pre-1975 stuff, it isn't magic for me like the post '75 stuff.

[cliffdweller]

I mean, I don't want to argue silly semantics with you or anything, but there plenty of artists that I like but am not absolutely gaga over and I've listened to their music far more than twice.

So I'm ADD, so sue me? :shrug: I can't explain why I've only listened to something twice, that takes a deeper psychological analysis of myself than I'm willing to undergo at this point. Let's just say that Peter Green era Fleetwood Mac is cool and worth listening to, and let there be an end to it! :laugh:

[Johnny Stew]

On this point, we couldn't possibly agree more. And THAT's the main reason people think I'm a Chiffon hater. Because that seems to be the prevalent attitude among ALOT of them.I honestly think that's largely a misconception. I know that a lot of my "Stevie-loving" friends hold Bob Welch in very high regard.

Obviously there are some with the "if Stevie's not in the band, the band sucks" attitude... but I think the same viewpoint could easily be attributed to some of Christine's fans, Lindsey's fans, and even Peter Green's fans, in regards to those three.

[Johnny Stew]

(Really, I think the only thing keeping that set from being very good is the "What was the point?" inclusion of the last four songs: "As Long As you Follow," "No Questions Asked," "Skies The Limit" and "Paper Doll." They simply don't fit with the rest of what's on there, and they seem ingloriously tacked on to the end merely to fill space. Including stuff like "Fireflies" or "Eyes Of The World" or "I Know I'm Not Wrong" or "Isn't It Midnight" would have made a lot more aesthetic sense.)I assume they probably included "As Long As You Follow" (one of my all-time favorite Christine songs) and "No Questions Asked" so that 'Greatest Hits' could be allowed to go out of print.
I was happy they included "Paper Doll" (among other reasons, because it includes not only the 'Rumours' era lineup, but Burnette and Vito, too), but if they wanted a song to represent 'Behind The Mask,' I would have rather they had included "Save Me" instead of "Skies The Limit." Given that the former was a Top 40 hit, I imagine more people would have recognized it, too.

[Jyqm]

I assume they probably included "As Long As You Follow" (one of my all-time favorite Christine songs) and "No Questions Asked" so that 'Greatest Hits' could be allowed to go out of print.

I'm certain that's why they included them, but that's still a pretty daft reason, I think. If they were concerned about these two songs going out of print, they should have scheduled them to be put onto an expanded reissue of Tango In The Night, where they would be much more at home. Sticking both of them - along with "Skies The Limit" and "Paper Doll" - on the end of The Very Best Of just dilutes and weakens the concept of the compilation. If you're doing a Rumours line-up best-of, do a Rumours line-up best-of, simple as that.

[chiliD]

...they should have scheduled them to be put onto an expanded reissue of Tango In The Night, where they would be much more at home.

Actually, I think they'd fit better on a revamped Behind The Mask. There already are PLENTY of Tango outtakes that would fill a 2nd disc.

[Johnny Stew]

Actually, I think they'd fit better on a revamped Behind The Mask. There already are PLENTY of Tango outtakes that would fill a 2nd disc.I was just about to say the same thing! I'm glad I hit "refresh" first. :)

[chiliD]

...I would have rather they had included "Save Me" instead of "Skies The Limit." Given that the former was a Top 40 hit, I imagine more people would have recognized it, too.

Well, that's iffy..."Skies The Limit" WAS a fairly popular VIDEO (on VH-1) as well as single. (I think "Save Me" was the better song, however).

[Johnny Stew]

If "Family Man" and "When I See You Again" are the bastard children of Tango In The Night, I will gladly be their loving foster parent.And I would gladly be their co-parent with you... though I'm not sure in which states it would be legal.

[Jyqm]

Actually, I think they'd fit better on a revamped Behind The Mask. There already are PLENTY of Tango outtakes that would fill a 2nd disc.

True, but I was trying to think of something that actually has a slight chance of happening anytime in the near future.

[Johnny Stew]

Well, that's iffy..."Skies The Limit" WAS a fairly popular VIDEO (on VH-1) as well as single. (I think "Save Me" was the better song, however).True, true... but "Save Me" was popular on both VH1 and MTV (even making MTV's Top 20 Video Countdown). It also charted in the Top 40 on Billboard's charts, whereas "Skies" didn't chart at all.

Plus, like you, I just think that "Save Me" is the all-around better song.

[Johnny Stew]

True, but I was trying to think of something that actually has a slight chance of happening anytime in the near future.As it is, I'm starting to lose hope that we'll even get 'Live,' 'Mirage' and 'Tango.' Which is a pity.
I'm constantly reading about albums from less-popular acts receiving the "expanded & remastered" treatment, so there's no excuse for ANY Mac album in Warner's catalog to go ignored... and, yet, here we are. :distress:

[chiliD]

As it is, I'm starting to lose hope that we'll even get 'Live,' 'Mirage' and 'Tango.' Which is a pity.
I'm constantly reading about albums from less-popular acts receiving the "expanded & remastered" treatment, so there's no excuse for ANY Mac album in Warner's catalog to go ignored... and, yet, here we are. :distress:

Well, since next year is the 40th anniversary, Rhino/WB Special Products may be gearing up for a big splash.

[Johnny Stew]

Well, since next year is the 40th anniversary, Rhino/WB Special Products may be gearing up for a big splash.Man, do I hope you're right, buddy.
I'm a frugal person, but I'd definitely plunk down a hefty chunk of change for those suckers!

[Jyqm]

As it is, I'm starting to lose hope that we'll even get 'Live,' 'Mirage' and 'Tango.' Which is a pity.
I'm constantly reading about albums from less-popular acts receiving the "expanded & remastered" treatment, so there's no excuse for ANY Mac album in Warner's catalog to go ignored... and, yet, here we are. :distress:

Oh yeah, there are tons of obscure and cult bands who do really wonderful jobs remixing/remastering/reissuing/expanding their catalogues. Look at the great Talking Heads Brick that came out last year. Look at the Rhino reissues of Elvis Costello's entire catalogue up to 1996. Even Dinosaur Jr. is remastering and expanding a bunch of their albums for reissue. When were any of these people ever as popular as the Rumours line-up of Fleetwood Mac? It's ridiculous, and utterly thoughtless on the part of everyone involved with the band.

That's why I can't stand it when some of these Fleetwood Mac fan apologists chime in whenever anybody suggests a good idea by saying, "Oh, well, you can't expect them to do that, nobody would buy it, it wouldn't make any money." It's total bull****. In this age of niche marketing, I'm sure there are people just dying to give Fleetwood Mac's catalogue an overhaul, or put out a DVD of their videos or some archival concert footage or something, anything! That Buckingham Nicks to this day has never been released on CD is utter stupidity. What is wrong with this band?

Well, since next year is the 40th anniversary, Rhino/WB Special Products may be gearing up for a big splash.

As always with this crew, I'll believe it when I see it on the shelves. Until then, I'm not holding my breath for a second.

[David]

True, true... but "Save Me" was popular on both VH1 and MTV (even making MTV's Top 20 Video Countdown). It also charted in the Top 40 on Billboard's charts, whereas "Skies" didn't chart at all.Oh come on, you guys. Boy, when Macheads start talking about Mac, rationality goes flying out the window! I think there's a difference between a video that "charts" & a video that's genuinely popular. I don't think you could have asked 100 kids in 1990 whether they knew--let alone liked--the Save Me video & gotten a single affirmative reply. And that goes double for Skies the Limit. It's payola that put that video in the Top 20 anything on MTV/VH1, not popularity.
Plus, like you, I just think that "Save Me" is the all-around better song.You're both wrong. Skies is the better song! :p :p :p

[David]

As it is, I'm starting to lose hope that we'll even get 'Live,' 'Mirage' and 'Tango.' Which is a pity.I doubt there'll be **** in the future. I think the white album, rumours & tusk reissues were the end of the line, as far as back catalog is concerned.

come to think of it, that was probably the end of the line as far as anything fleetwood mac 1975-2006 is concerned.

If you guys were judges, you'd probably give 75 parole hearings for a single criminal. you guys are always thinking, "let's give them one more chance"

so in that sense you are merciful & therefore you are closer to the Jesus of the Gospels than I am, & that is to be commended.

[Johnny Stew]

Oh come on, you guys. Boy, when Macheads start talking about Mac, rationality goes flying out the window! I think there's a difference between a video that "charts" & a video that's genuinely popular. I don't think you could have asked 100 kids in 1990 whether they knew--let alone liked--the Save Me video & gotten a single affirmative reply. And that goes double for Skies the Limit. It's payola that put that video in the Top 20 anything on MTV/VH1, not popularity.Did payola really effect MTV's playlist the way it did radio? The Top 20 Video Countdown (do they even still have that?) was supposed to be based on how many requests each song received from viewers. I've never read anything to suggest that payola was involved, but you've brought up a good point.

If payola was involved though, it sure didn't help "Whole Lotta Trouble" or "Skies The Limit," as far as MTV airplay is concerned! :laugh:

You're both wrong. Skies is the better song! :p :p :p"Skies" is better than "Do You Know," but it's not better than "Save Me." So there. :p

[Johnny Stew]

so in that sense you are merciful & therefore you are closer to the Jesus of the Gospels than I am, & that is to be commended.Well, I did have long hair and a beard, once upon a time. ;)

[HomerMcvie]

"Skies" is better than "Do You Know," but it's not better than "Save Me." So there. :p
I ABSOLUTELY LOVED Do You Know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It meant ALOT to me at the time. Words can't explain how much.:o :o :o

[Jyqm]

Did payola really effect MTV's playlist the way it did radio? The Top 20 Video Countdown (do they even still have that?) was supposed to be based on how many requests each song received from viewers. I've never read anything to suggest that payola was involved, but you've brought up a good point.

Come on now, Brian. "MTV basing their programming around corporate insider agreements rather than playing what people actually want to hear?" You're smarter than that.

Do answer your other question, though: VH1 still does a "Top 20 Video Countdown." Who knows hwat it's actually based on. Weekly focus groups and ClearChannel radio playlists, probably. MTV, meanwhile, switched from a weekly 20 Countdown to "Total Request Live" back in 1997, and that show was largely based on viewers' requests each day. I believe that show is still alive and kicking, though who knows if they even still show videos anymore.

[DavidMn]

Its interesting reading some of the opinions here. It's sorta the age old discussion of pre '75 VS post '75. Everyone has a legitimate opinion. My attitude is that it's important to pay respect to the former. One of the things in my opinion that makes Fleetwood Mac so good is their rich and varied history. Fascinating really.:)

[Peestie]

Oh yeah, there are tons of obscure and cult bands who do really wonderful jobs remixing/remastering/reissuing/expanding their catalogues. Look at the great Talking Heads Brick that came out last year. Look at the Rhino reissues of Elvis Costello's entire catalogue up to 1996. Even Dinosaur Jr. is remastering and expanding a bunch of their albums for reissue. When were any of these people ever as popular as the Rumours line-up of Fleetwood Mac? It's ridiculous, and utterly thoughtless on the part of everyone involved with the band.

That's why I can't stand it when some of these Fleetwood Mac fan apologists chime in whenever anybody suggests a good idea by saying, "Oh, well, you can't expect them to do that, nobody would buy it, it wouldn't make any money." It's total bull****. In this age of niche marketing, I'm sure there are people just dying to give Fleetwood Mac's catalogue an overhaul, or put out a DVD of their videos or some archival concert footage or something, anything! That Buckingham Nicks to this day has never been released on CD is utter stupidity. What is wrong with this band?



As always with this crew, I'll believe it when I see it on the shelves. Until then, I'm not holding my breath for a second.

I find it depressing that my two favourite bands (Black Sabbath and Fleetwood Mac) are both in the same position as far as stuff like this is concerned. Both bands must have MASSES of unreleased concert footage or audio they could clean up and release (Deep Purple sure do, so I bet Mac must have even more since they were bigger). And neither bands full catalogue has been fully remastered and in Black Sabbath's case only the first 8 albums have been well remastered, the other few are not really well remastered and certainly would be nice to see them get expanded as well with out-takes.

I would love rare concert footage of some good shows, and I'd jump though hoops to hear out-takes from Mirage and TITN. They could make money from remastering those albums, it seems strange they haven't.

[UnwindedDreams]

Christine McVie
You Make Loving Fun
Songbird
Don't Stop

Lindsey Buckingham
Second Hand News
Tusk
Go your Own Way

Stevie Nicks
Dreams
Landslide
Rhiannon

The Chain

[AliceLover]

Nicks:

Freedom
Gold Dust Woman
Gypsy
Running Through the Garden

Bucky:

Miranda
Eyes of the World
Second Hand News
Murrow Turning Over in His Grave

McVie:

Save Me
Isn't it Midnight
You Make Loving Fun
Over and Over

- The Chain