Question About "Outside The Rain"

[foxyluva]

I love love love this song, but I have been wondering lately why this has been performed steadily in most of stevie's solo tours.

What on earth from the millions of songs Stevie has made this one be performed so many times?? I mean, it wasn't even a single... Does it hold a special meaning for her?? I can understand why songs like "Dreams", "Rhiannon" & "Stand Back" are performed on most tours, but why this song is always performed as got me baffled :confused:

Just curious... :wavey:

[paleshadow]

I love love love this song, but I have been wondering lately why this has been performed steadily in most of stevie's solo tours.

What on earth from the millions of songs Stevie has made this one be performed so many times?? I mean, it wasn't even a single... Does it hold a special meaning for her?? I can understand why songs like "Dreams", "Rhiannon" & "Stand Back" are performed on most tours, but why this song is always performed as got me baffled :confused:

Just curious... :wavey:

I think she's stated that the song is a continuation of "Dreams" or vice versa so that's why she performs them back to back.

[foxyluva]

I think she's stated that the song is a continuation of "Dreams" or vice versa so that's why she performs them back to back.

I had heard that before. Can anybody hook me up with a great live performance of this song? 1998 and up and of good quality - preferably with dreams as well :confused:

[amber]

I was wondering that myself recently, thanks for asking. But while you love it, I was thinking "this song ain't so great" (I don't really think "ain't" in my head, but it sounds better here).
I saw that it flowed well with dreams, but I didn't think that could be the only reason.
Since I've said all that, I'll just go ahead and say this would probably be my choice number one for songs to drop. Not that I don't like it, but besides those kick ass parts where she gets all passionate, I could do without its midtempo, midrange thing.

[foxyluva]

I was wondering that myself recently, thanks for asking. But while you love it, I was thinking "this song ain't so great" (I don't really think "ain't" in my head, but it sounds better here).
I saw that it flowed well with dreams, but I didn't think that could be the only reason.
Since I've said all that, I'll just go ahead and say this would probably be my choice number one for songs to drop. Not that I don't like it, but besides those kick ass parts where she gets all passionate, I could do without its midtempo, midrange thing.

I did feel the same way until I actually SAW Stevie perform it. Now I absolutley adore the song. My favourite song on BD. I don't think it should get dropped - its a great opener how it merges in with dreams.

Bottom Line: The Song Kicks Ass :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[amber]

I did feel the same way until I actually SAW Stevie perform it. Now I absolutley adore the song. My favourite song on BD. I don't think it should get dropped - its a great opener how it merges in with dreams.

Bottom Line: The Song Kicks Ass :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

That's really your favorite song on BD???!?:eek:

Lawd. I think I liked it less from the performances. But it does merge with dreams really well, and I've seen Stevelah much more than you have (I think).
Honestly, i would love it if she dropped both songs. She could replace them with
"Long Way to Go" and "Kind of Woman" for example....:D
I do like OTR - don't get me wrong - but mainly only a couple parts of the song. The couplet of OTR and Dreams really brings the exciting concert tempo down, IMO. which, again, does not mean they aren't good songs.

I'm glad someone is extra stoked about OTR, though.
Oh, my, when she did HSML in Vegas, I was in heaven. And i didn't like that song soooo much before. And now I love it.
Kind of the same thing with you and OTR. :woohoo:

[foxyluva]

That's really your favorite song on BD???!?:eek:

Lawd. I think I liked it less from the performances. But it does merge with dreams really well, and I've seen Stevelah much more than you have (I think).
Honestly, i would love it if she dropped both songs. She could replace them with
"Long Way to Go" and "Kind of Woman" for example....:D
I do like OTR - don't get me wrong - but mainly only a couple parts of the song. The couplet of OTR and Dreams really brings the exciting concert tempo down, IMO. which, again, does not mean they aren't good songs.

I'm glad someone is extra stoked about OTR, though.
Oh, my, when she did HSML in Vegas, I was in heaven. And i didn't like that song soooo much before. And now I love it.
Kind of the same thing with you and OTR. :woohoo:

At the moment it is my favourite song. Im known for changing my mind at the drop of a hat - SA was my favourite album at one stage :eek: :lol:

There are very few stevie songs I don't like. The only one i can think of at the moment is Whole Lotta Trouble :sorry:

But, I do think it is time for a change. I say replace 90% of the set list. I am dying to see 'Ohh My Love', 'Ghosts', 'Affairs of the Heart' & 'Straight Back' performed live, that would be heaven :cool:

I am obsessed about 'Ooh My Love' - it is my fav Stevie solo song (at the moment :p )

[David]

I had heard that before. Can anybody hook me up with a great live performance of this song? 1998 and up and of good quality - preferably with dreams as well :confused:There are no great live performances of it 1998 & up, so I can't provide you one.

Let me just say that I love it, too! It used to make a really exciting concert opening!

[foxyluva]

There are no great live performances of it 1998 & up, so I can't provide you one.

Let me just say that I love it, too! It used to make a really exciting concert opening!

I love the way it merges into Dreams - it leaves the FM/SN fans who haven't heard Outside The Rain before wondering :laugh:

[amber]

At the moment it is my favourite song. Im known for changing my mind at the drop of a hat - SA was my favourite album at one stage :eek: :lol:

There are very few stevie songs I don't like. The only one i can think of at the moment is Whole Lotta Trouble :sorry:

But, I do think it is time for a change. I say replace 90% of the set list. I am dying to see 'Ohh My Love', 'Ghosts', 'Affairs of the Heart' & 'Straight Back' performed live, that would be heaven :cool:

I am obsessed about 'Ooh My Love' - it is my fav Stevie solo song (at the moment :p )
A) Don't laugh about Street Angel. I still like it better (as a whole) than TISL.
B) I agree with your plan, but not your songs. I like them, but I prefer the others, especially for a concert. Some of my favorite Stevie lyrics are in Ghost, though "It's just the ghost of what you really want
And it's the ghost of the past that you live in
And it's the ghost of the future you are frightened of"
Those lyrics really speak to me. I just don't think either would be good for a concert so much. Straight Back would kick ass, Affairs of the Heart - the song is okay, for a concert, no.

David - :laugh: :laugh:

[foxyluva]

A) Don't laugh about Street Angel. I still like it better (as a whole) than TISL.
B) I agree with your plan, but not your songs. I like them, but I prefer the others, especially for a concert. Some of my favorite Stevie lyrics are in Ghost, though "It's just the ghost of what you really want
And it's the ghost of the past that you live in
And it's the ghost of the future you are frightened of"
Those lyrics really speak to me. I just don't think either would be good for a concert so much. Straight Back would kick ass, Affairs of the Heart - the song is okay, for a concert, no.

David - :laugh: :laugh:

OMG :eek: SA better than TINSL :eek: No way! TISL is my fav Stevie album :thumbsup: It's close to perfection for me...

Ghosts is the only Stevie song that I can REALLY relate to - check my sig :) That is EXACTLY what my music does for me.

Im telling you, 'Ooh My Love' would be great in concert - imagine taku on the percussion at the beginning :thumbsup:

[amber]

OMG :eek: SA better than TINSL :eek: No way! TISL is my fav Stevie album :thumbsup: It's close to perfection for me...

Ghosts is the only Stevie song that I can REALLY relate to - check my sig :) That is EXACTLY what my music does for me.

Im telling you, 'Ooh My Love' would be great in concert - imagine taku on the percussion at the beginning :thumbsup:

No. Just no. I'm not quite that emo.





:laugh:

wait - the only song you can relate to??? :confused:

[foxyluva]

No. Just no. I'm not quite that emo.

:laugh:

wait - the only song you can relate to??? :confused:

Are you mocking me miss amber??

:laugh: I would hardly call anything of Stevie's emo. My Chemical Romance is emo...

Yes, lyrically i can really relate to Ghosts, because most of Stevie's songs are about love, something I have never felt, i cant relate, but that doesnt mean i enjoy them any less :woohoo:

I also relate to Escape from Berlin as well,

What can I say, im a depressing person :lol:

[amber]

Are you mocking me miss amber??

:laugh: I would hardly call anything of Stevie's emo. My Chemical Romance is emo...

Yes, lyrically i can really relate to Ghosts, because most of Stevie's songs are about love, something I have never felt, i cant relate, but that doesnt mean i enjoy them any less :woohoo:

I also relate to Escape from Berlin as well,

What can I say, im a depressing person :lol:

:confused: :confused:

I don't think you're depressing, I'm just suprised you don't "relate" to more. I guess you're "doing the best that you can ;) "
Even if I haven't experienced whatever, I can still usually imagine the pain of it.
But I have to say, I think Ghosts is pretty relatable, although musically not my favorite, mainly because its slow - the notes are ok.
I don't care about lyrics that much. And I really like fast beat songs for concerts. Which Ghost isn't. :) My other favorite thing is a supervocal.

It's cool, your tastes are interesting. :wavey:


Oh, and I would say that almost every single Stevie song is technically emo.
Exceptions include: Uh....Nope. The closest I can come is Angel and Think About It. But technically those are emo, too. Chris is the one for upbeat songs.

[SandyMac]

I really really do wish that Stevie would do HSML in concert more often.
It is such a gem to hear live.

[BlackWidow]

I love Outside The Rain. She obviously loves performing this song in concert.
It usually opens every set list. She has called it the sequel to DREAMS. I love it..it is very heavy with Stevie DRAMA....

[Sahara]

I'm pretty obsessed with Outside the Rain too. It's just such a great song. I'm not so fond of Dreams, I'm afraid, and I'd have a hard time choosing between Enchanted and Outside the Rain as an opener...

OTR is one of the best songs on Bella Donna, for sure, which I actually find to be a fairly uninteresting album. *ducks behind the chair*

[priestofnothing]

Stevie has said in interviews that Outside the Rain is the song Fleetwood Mac would have done at that time had she been working on a band album. I think she sees this song as the "link in the chain" between her new solo career with Bella Donna and her career with Fleetwood Mac up until that point. I also remember her saying the song was a continuation of Dreams, but why she performs them the other way around (OTR/Dreams) I don't know. Plus Tom Petty produced it so I'm sure that makes it special to her too.

Waddy has been trying to get her to drop OTR from the set for years. But did get her to do Rock and Roll (Go Waddy!)

[SillyDreamer]

It's a kickass song that's even better live than on BD, and it flows into Dreams, annnnd it's a kickass opener. If you don't believe me, just listen or watch OTR from Red Rocks '86. The drums and the opening chord come in, and it's pretty much amazing. I get chills almost every time I hear it.

I don't have any good versions of this song from '98 or later, heh, but I would wholeheartedly recommend the RR version or even House of Blues from '94 for those that aren't impressed.

[DavidMn]

I really really do wish that Stevie would do HSML in concert more often.
It is such a gem to hear live.You said it! I loved hearing it in Vegas.

[David]

Stevie has said in interviews that Outside the Rain is the song Fleetwood Mac would have done at that time had she been working on a band album. I think she sees this song as the "link in the chain" between her new solo career with Bella Donna and her career with Fleetwood Mac up until that point. I also remember her saying the song was a continuation of Dreams, but why she performs them the other way around (OTR/Dreams) I don't know. Plus Tom Petty produced it so I'm sure that makes it special to her too.It's a continuation in the sense that it was written after Dreams & is a snapshot of Stevie's emotional life a few years after Dreams. So in that sense it's a continuation. (It's also written in the same key with similar chord progressions that allow for musical as well as thematic conjoining.)

But that isn't relevant to the order they're performed in for the medley. That's strictly a musical reasoning behind that order: Outside the Rain is the obvious one to open with because it has a more dramatic introduction & it is generally has more dramatic moments in it--more buildups, more climaxes. Whereas Dreams is the logical musical choice to end the medley because 1) it actually has an ending, not a fade & 2) it's the denoument of the presentation, the resolution, the solution of the problem.

You couldn't really medley INTO Outside the Rain--it would sound weird because you can't medley into crashing chords that have an introductory feel to them.

Similar reasoning was behind In the Back of My Mind segueing into The Chain. You would be less likely to make musical, aural sense of it the other way round.

It's like sonata form: there's a linearity to the progression----exposition of the theme or themes, development of these themes, recapitulation of these themes, & finally coda & resolution.

This is part of what musical directors do. They make decisions like these.

[JazmenFlowers]

OTR is my #2 favorite Stevie song ever. I love it and think it is a great opening song. To me, it is like a snapshot of so much emotion dealing with Stevie's life, music and loves.

[danax6]

Jason, you always manage to dredge up the prettiest pictures for you sig. I do wonder what exactly it is she put in/on her lips for that one though. :laugh:

[JazmenFlowers]

Jason, you always manage to dredge up the prettiest pictures for you sig. I do wonder what exactly it is she put in/on her lips for that one though. :laugh:
thank you. I'm feeling very sad today for some reason and this picture captures exactly how I feel.

I think the makeup artist just went crazy with the lipliner and then had no choice but to fill it in! lol.

[DavidMn]

thank you. I'm feeling very sad today for some reason and this picture captures exactly how I feel.

I think the makeup artist just went crazy with the lipliner and then had no choice but to fill it in! lol.Do you think it was taken in her house?

[JazmenFlowers]

Do you think it was taken in her house?
it's hard to tell, but it's possible

[DavidMn]

it's hard to tell, but it's possibleShe looks so good.:)

[AliceLover]

Are you mocking me miss amber??

:laugh: I would hardly call anything of Stevie's emo. My Chemical Romance is emo...

Yes, lyrically i can really relate to Ghosts, because most of Stevie's songs are about love, something I have never felt, i cant relate, but that doesnt mean i enjoy them any less :woohoo:

I also relate to Escape from Berlin as well,

What can I say, im a depressing person :lol:

GHOSTS KICKS ASS!!!

I also love Ooh My Love and Affairs of the Heart. Those would be killer live!
Amber has no clue.

[AliceLover]

It's a continuation in the sense that it was written after Dreams & is a snapshot of Stevie's emotional life a few years after Dreams. So in that sense it's a continuation. (It's also written in the same key with similar chord progressions that allow for musical as well as thematic conjoining.)

But that isn't relevant to the order they're performed in for the medley. That's strictly a musical reasoning behind that order: Outside the Rain is the obvious one to open with because it has a more dramatic introduction & it is generally has more dramatic moments in it--more buildups, more climaxes. Whereas Dreams is the logical musical choice to end the medley because 1) it actually has an ending, not a fade & 2) it's the denoument of the presentation, the resolution, the solution of the problem.

You couldn't really medley INTO Outside the Rain--it would sound weird because you can't medley into crashing chords that have an introductory feel to them.

Similar reasoning was behind In the Back of My Mind segueing into The Chain. You would be less likely to make musical, aural sense of it the other way round.

It's like sonata form: there's a linearity to the progression----exposition of the theme or themes, development of these themes, recapitulation of these themes, & finally coda & resolution.

This is part of what musical directors do. They make decisions like these.
OT but I think ITBOMM into the chain was incredible. It flowed so perfectly.

[Sahara]

It's a kickass song that's even better live than on BD, and it flows into Dreams, annnnd it's a kickass opener. If you don't believe me, just listen or watch OTR from Red Rocks '86. The drums and the opening chord come in, and it's pretty much amazing. I get chills almost every time I hear it.

I love that too. My favourite bit is as she sings the last two lines of OTR and you hear the bass of Dreams. It sounds very dramatic.

Forgive me .... what's ITBOMM?

[Sahara]

GHOSTS KICKS ASS!!!

I also love Ooh My Love and Affairs of the Heart. Those would be killer live!
Amber has no clue.

Affairs of the Heart live would be great. :nod:

[ontheEdgeof17]

Best Version That Will Never Be Topped: Red Rocks '86

Last Time It Kicked Ass: Street Angel Tour

[AliceLover]

I love that too. My favourite bit is as she sings the last two lines of OTR and you hear the bass of Dreams. It sounds very dramatic.

Forgive me .... what's ITBOMM?

In the Back of My Mind. They opened with it at the end of the Behind the Mask tour. It went right into the Chain. Great interlude!

[Sahara]

In the Back of My Mind. They opened with it at the end of the Behind the Mask tour. It went right into the Chain. Great interlude!

Oooh ... that sounds interesting indeed. Can anyone send me it?

[StreetAngel86]

Best Version That Will Never Be Topped: Red Rocks '86

Last Time It Kicked Ass: Street Angel Tour

i TOTALLY agree.
I don't like oTR on BD
but live it KICKS ASS
and the ONLY version to get pumped up to is during RAL :thumbsup:

OTR @ the House of Blues is probably my 2nd fave version ever
it's good live now
but nothing tops 94 & 86 NOTHING!

Edit: because everyone has/has heard the RR version i thought i'd upload the SA version incase someone has been deprived and hasn't heard it :thumbsup:

this ORIGINAL unmauled HOB version:
http://s4.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2N1PWDFPH4ULH39B5XNHWBQ44T

[David]

but nothing tops 94 & 86 NOTHING![/url]Too much crowing about Red Rocks all the time. If you spend some time -- say, the next fifteen days -- listening carefully to all fifty of the taped 1986 concerts, you will come to understand that Red Rocks was an average performance of Outside the Rain (good, but average).

It is easily bested by several other 1986 performances, including Madison Square Garden (August 5), Landover (August 2), Los Angeles (July 18), Jones Beach (June 8) & Holmdel (June 3).

Please, everyone, hunt those down (& any others) & expand your consciousness beyond the rather ordinary Red Rocks performance. If you wind up still liking Red Rocks the best after hearing the other fifty, that's okay. At least you will have given the other shows on the tour a chance.

sometimes I think we just nominate a certain performance as the best only because we have it on video or because it was released commercially. In the same way, everybody crows about the joys of "The Chain" on the Mirage concert video, when it was a good but sort of ordinary "Chain" up against Irvine Meadows (Oct. 18), the Meadowlands (Sept. 14), Detroit (Sept. 19) & Cedar Rapids (Oct. 25).

[Sahara]

sometimes I think we just nominate a certain performance as the best only because we have it on video or because it was released commercially. In the same way, everybody crows about the joys of "The Chain" on the Mirage concert video, when it was a good but sort of ordinary "Chain" up against Irvine Meadows (Oct. 18), the Meadowlands (Sept. 14), Detroit (Sept. 19) & Cedar Rapids (Oct. 25).

Well, of course we do. When we nominate these songs we nominate them as 'the best of what we've heard'. Not everyone is able to hear all fifty RAL shows! If we find a better version in our own collection, we put it up and let people decide for themselves. :shrug:

[MirrorInTheSky]

Edit: because everyone has/has heard the RR version i thought i'd upload the SA version incase someone has been deprived and hasn't heard it :thumbsup:



Thanks! That IS a kick ass version.

[SillyDreamer]

Too much crowing about Red Rocks all the time. If you spend some time -- say, the next fifteen days -- listening carefully to all fifty of the taped 1986 concerts, you will come to understand that Red Rocks was an average performance of Outside the Rain (good, but average).

It is easily bested by several other 1986 performances, including Madison Square Garden (August 5), Landover (August 2), Los Angeles (July 18), Jones Beach (June 8) & Holmdel (June 3).

Please, everyone, hunt those down (& any others) & expand your consciousness beyond the rather ordinary Red Rocks performance. If you wind up still liking Red Rocks the best after hearing the other fifty, that's okay. At least you will have given the other shows on the tour a chance.

sometimes I think we just nominate a certain performance as the best only because we have it on video or because it was released commercially. In the same way, everybody crows about the joys of "The Chain" on the Mirage concert video, when it was a good but sort of ordinary "Chain" up against Irvine Meadows (Oct. 18), the Meadowlands (Sept. 14), Detroit (Sept. 19) & Cedar Rapids (Oct. 25).

Well, I'm all for hearing even better versions of my favorite songs... so let's hear the other OTR performances! I don't have them.... do you?

[skcin]

Stevie has said in interviews that Outside the Rain is the song Fleetwood Mac would have done at that time had she been working on a band album. I think she sees this song as the "link in the chain" between her new solo career with Bella Donna and her career with Fleetwood Mac up until that point. I also remember her saying the song was a continuation of Dreams, but why she performs them the other way around (OTR/Dreams) I don't know. Plus Tom Petty produced it so I'm sure that makes it special to her too.

Waddy has been trying to get her to drop OTR from the set for years. But did get her to do Rock and Roll (Go Waddy!)

Oh, Waddy. I just love him for trying to get her to change something. Didn't I hear that he tried to get her to open with either Bella Donna or TISL for the '01 tour? That? Would have killed. :nod:

I really do think it's her way of connecting her solo work with Mac for he live shows. I personally love it live. It's a good rock tune while still being slow, deep & sexy. Love it. Someone must have complained, or maybe it didn't feel right for her since although she dropped it partway through the TISL tour, it has since returned.

Would I be really upset if it were dropped? Not if it were dropped for another upbeat tune like Angel or TTM or No Spoken Word or If You Ever Did Believe. But if it were dropped for After the Glitter Fades or L&L or something like that, then yes, I'd be pissed. :laugh:

I'm going through what I have on my hard drive, and to be honest, I really like all versions. Not a huge fan of how slow it was done in '81, I really like '83 & '86, then it's kind of so-so until '94 when she kicked the **** out of it! Current versions are good, but I hate when she doesn't go for it. And you know what I mean. I guess the '94 tour is my preference. I'll upload a version from most tours on yousendit as time (and computer cooperation) allow.

[Richard B]

In the Back of My Mind. They opened with it at the end of the Behind the Mask tour. It went right into the Chain. Great interlude!
YES! That was so cool and different. Plus they had the stage closed with that banner with the masks...then it rose to reveal the band. Loved it.

[David]

Well, I'm all for hearing even better versions of my favorite songs... so let's hear the other OTR performances! I don't have them.... do you?
I thought you guys all traded for all this material. I figured you ALL had most if not all of all this alla-walla-walla-wallla stuff! :blob2: :blob2: :blob1: :blob1: :eek:

You don't even need to trade for it any more. There are all those Web sites out there that just post it all year long! Come on, folks, wake up!

[David]

YES! That was so cool and different. Plus they had the stage closed with that banner with the masks...then it rose to reveal the band. Loved it.
But if you break it down musically (in terms of what was actually arranged), it wasn't a really smooth transition. Back of Mind just sort of ground to a halt & then Mick started the Chain kick drum. I mean, with that sort of thing, you can medlify any two songs!

[AliceLover]

But if you break it down musically (in terms of what was actually arranged), it wasn't a really smooth transition. Back of Mind just sort of ground to a halt & then Mick started the Chain kick drum. I mean, with that sort of thing, you can medlify any two songs!

Even so, I thought it made a perfect transition.

[Sahara]

TISL as an opener would have been :eek:

[AliceLover]

TISL as an opener would have been :eek:

Well, technically, it did open the show. :laugh:

[skcin]

I thought you guys all traded for all this material. I figured you ALL had most if not all of all this alla-walla-walla-wallla stuff! :blob2: :blob2: :blob1: :blob1: :eek:

You don't even need to trade for it any more. There are all those Web sites out there that just post it all year long! Come on, folks, wake up!

Yes, many of us do trade David. But there have been many times that you've mentioned a show here that most of us had no clue was in circulation in the fan community, so we obviously don't have everything. Maybe because it's older material, originally on cassette that long time fans have had for years but newer fans still haven't gotten access to? :confused:

OK, here we go.

OTR/Dreams L.A. 12-12-81:
http://s31.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=293VMF3T2NT3H2PLNXV54S3OAS

[AliceLover]

Yes, many of us do trade David. But there have been many times that you've mentioned a show here that most of us had no clue was in circulation in the fan community, so we obviously don't have everything. Maybe because it's older material, originally on cassette that long time fans have had for years but newer fans still haven't gotten access to? :confused:

OK, here we go.

OTR/Dreams L.A. 12-12-81:
http://s31.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=293VMF3T2NT3H2PLNXV54S3OAS

just go to www.inspiredangel.net.

Shes been working on old casettes for probably over a year now...Everything is there. :lol:

[skcin]

OTR Chicago 1983:

http://s32.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2KCXELGO6DOU916J1V5UALZ2SW

OTR/Dreams Madison Square Garden 1986 (you're right David, this IS a good one):

http://s35.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=08Z3JPHXXHWHO0OSONZZ571ST4

OTR Rotterdam, Holland 1989:

http://s23.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2QFUFKK5A8TMG2V8U2PNXY4Z1V

[David]

OTR/Dreams Madison Square Garden 1986 (you're right David, this IS a good one):Ooh yeah baby ... the whole Garden show just ****in rocks!!!!!!!!!! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :eek: :thumbsup:

If Stevie had videotaped THIS show (or the L.A. show) & not done those wacky-slappy-doofy-woofy closeups, then I'd have loved her all the more after she got old & large!!

[skcin]

just go to www.inspiredangel.net.

Shes been working on old casettes for probably over a year now...Everything is there. :lol:


Apparently it isn't - the link isn't working. :cool:

Anyway, if she's been working on this for over a year, then it will take some time for "everything" to get to "everyone." :shrug: Maybe people like David, who have been fans for 30 or more years, have had these thing forever but most of us have not.

OTR L.A. 1991:

http://s30.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0IU6FUP7A09MM3KDDSXX2KBKT9

[skcin]

If Stevie had videotaped THIS show (or the L.A. show) & not done those wacky-slappy-doofy-woofy closeups, then I'd have loved her all the more after she got old & large!!

I couldn't agree more, the Red Rocks video drives me crazy, it's practically unwatchable. I think I've seen it 3 or 4 times at most over the past 9 years.

[skcin]

Behold. OTR Holmdel, NJ 1994:

http://s22.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3LPTIFPLBZ1U531FJIREYJJ8VG

[skcin]

OTR Chicago 1998:

http://s28.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3LXM6K3JCLYPN0XQ2TXEDPUO1C

OTR AHI Benefit 2000:

http://s26.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2CQ3GFEH29GPJ04SYDH0G44J2F

And finally, OTR Vegas 5-14-05:

http://s26.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=22H2XQRG80CLI0SL5CPSVL3270

There. One from each major tour. You be the judge. After listening, I don't think any really suck, but faves are MSG '86 & Holmdel '94.

[David]

Anyway, if she's been working on this for over a year, then it will take some time for "everything" to get to "everyone." :shrug: Maybe people like David, who have been fans for 30 or more years, have had these thing forever but most of us have not.Well I don't know who has what these days or not. Today's fans seem to be more interested in today's shows, which makes sense, while yesteryear's fans seem to be more likely to have those shows on tape, which also makes sense.

Outside the Rain - Inglewood Forum 7.18.86 Anonymous Taper
http://s10.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0PKKTQGBP8FNQ09U76J6CQ4XN2

Outside the Rain - Inglewood Forum 7.18.86 Yours Truly Taper
http://s10.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=225CNUAQEAZAQ29Y9NDM7VHX8B

Outside the Rain - Madison Square Garden 8.05.86 Debbie Taper
http://s10.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3CAA8Y8R67DBW16BQFYM9S0RNN

I included this last one because it sounded slightly less echoey than the one Lisa posted.

Anyway, here's my point about Red Rocks: If any of you really love the Rock a Little Tour but only know Red Rocks video, it behooves you to seek out other shows from the tour because the Red Rocks performance is only about average for that tour. There were many other better performances. If you don't like the Rock a Little Tour because you don't like weirded out Stevie, then it doesn't matter.

[skcin]

Well I don't know who has what these days or not. Today's fans seem to be more interested in today's shows, which makes sense, while yesteryear's fans seem to be more likely to have those shows on tape, which also makes sense.



Yeah, I know these things seem to go in cycles with who has what & who's trading or not. I personally am a bit tired of recent shows, I'd prefer to get itno older shows. I hope to start trading again soon so I can do just that.

Thanks for all of these downloads, btw. :)

[ontheEdgeof17]

Too much crowing about Red Rocks all the time. If you spend some time -- say, the next fifteen days -- listening carefully to all fifty of the taped 1986 concerts, you will come to understand that Red Rocks was an average performance of Outside the Rain (good, but average).


I have those 50 or so shows, and the touched up Red Rocks version is still my favorite of all time. So, ha! :)

[StreetAngel86]

Too much crowing about Red Rocks all the time. If you spend some time -- say, the next fifteen days -- listening carefully to all fifty of the taped 1986 concerts, you will come to understand that Red Rocks was an average performance of Outside the Rain (good, but average).

It is easily bested by several other 1986 performances, including Madison Square Garden (August 5), Landover (August 2), Los Angeles (July 18), Jones Beach (June 8) & Holmdel (June 3).

Please, everyone, hunt those down (& any others) & expand your consciousness beyond the rather ordinary Red Rocks performance. If you wind up still liking Red Rocks the best after hearing the other fifty, that's okay. At least you will have given the other shows on the tour a chance.

sometimes I think we just nominate a certain performance as the best only because we have it on video or because it was released commercially. In the same way, everybody crows about the joys of "The Chain" on the Mirage concert video, when it was a good but sort of ordinary "Chain" up against Irvine Meadows (Oct. 18), the Meadowlands (Sept. 14), Detroit (Sept. 19) & Cedar Rapids (Oct. 25).

i said the RAL versions
i just happened to single out RR coz most people have access to it
my fave is actually NY :D

[ckilger]

have been deperately searching for a copy of HAEWAFY from the LA Forum RAL 1986 concert that is NOT cut off at the very end. Stevie was singing it to me.... I would be most grateful...

Christine
www.inherownwords.com

[QUOTE=David]

It is easily bested by several other 1986 performances, including Madison Square Garden (August 5), Landover (August 2), Los Angeles (July 18), Jones Beach (June 8) & Holmdel (June 3).

[AliceLover]

Well I don't know who has what these days or not. Today's fans seem to be more interested in today's shows, which makes sense, while yesteryear's fans seem to be more likely to have those shows on tape, which also makes sense.

Outside the Rain - Inglewood Forum 7.18.86 Anonymous Taper
http://s10.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0PKKTQGBP8FNQ09U76J6CQ4XN2

Outside the Rain - Inglewood Forum 7.18.86 Yours Truly Taper
http://s10.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=225CNUAQEAZAQ29Y9NDM7VHX8B

Outside the Rain - Madison Square Garden 8.05.86 Debbie Taper
http://s10.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3CAA8Y8R67DBW16BQFYM9S0RNN

I included this last one because it sounded slightly less echoey than the one Lisa posted.

Anyway, here's my point about Red Rocks: If any of you really love the Rock a Little Tour but only know Red Rocks video, it behooves you to seek out other shows from the tour because the Red Rocks performance is only about average for that tour. There were many other better performances. If you don't like the Rock a Little Tour because you don't like weirded out Stevie, then it doesn't matter.

yeah I hate it when she is basically sitting on the floor for Edge of Seventeen. I like it on the HBO when she does a little dancing.

[Dark Angel]

just go to www.inspiredangel.net.

Shes been working on old casettes for probably over a year now...Everything is there. :lol:

It's .com, but you're close. :p OMG! It has been over a year, hasn't it? :eek: You can't say everything is there though. It's just all that I've transferred so far.

[Boots]

So, if this a continuation of "Dreams", I guess we can presume that it's a continuation of her emotional bout with Lindsey and the fallout of feelings she had to deal with a few years after their breakup and the advent of her fame?

"Look in my eyes
Touch my face
Baby, there's no one
That can take my place

Look in my eyes, touch my face
Baby there's no one that
Can ever replace that - heartache
Take away that heartache"

[AliceLover]

It's .com, but you're close. :p OMG! It has been over a year, hasn't it? :eek: You can't say everything is there though. It's just all that I've transferred so far.

Its basically everything....

[SapphireSister]

My 2 cents on OTR - it sucks and should have been dropped a long time ago or maybe never have been performed live at all. Waddy was right when he tried to convince her to drop it, too bad it didn't work. I will celebrate the day I go to a Stevie show and don't have to hear that song. The only part I like is when it's fading into Dreams and she sings "Love is a word that some entertain, if you find it you have won the game" 1)because it's a great line and 2)because the song is ending and I love the music to the fade in part. It was never a hit and I've never heard it being a fan favorite so why is it still there? Because she feels safe and comfortable performing it and possibly has some huge emotional connection to it and can't let go?

Dreams should and will most likely always remain in the set list. Any casual fan that goes to a Stevie/FM concert EXPECTS to hear that song and would most likely leave disapointed and wanting their $$ back if it wasn't played so we die-hards just have to accept it. It's one of her signature songs if not her #1 signature song and will therefore remain a staple.

[JWS]

Dreams should and will most likely always remain in the set list. Any casual fan that goes to a Stevie/FM concert EXPECTS to hear that song and would most likely leave disapointed and wanting their $$ back if it wasn't played so we die-hards just have to accept it. It's one of her signature songs if not her #1 signature song and will therefore remain a staple.

I agree with that. It would be like going to a Stones concert and not getting Satisfaction and that's why it was played at their Super Bowl show. Edge of 17 is also a Stevie standard.

[Hawkeye]

My 2 cents on OTR - it sucks and should have been dropped a long time ago or maybe never have been performed live at all. Waddy was right when he tried to convince her to drop it, too bad it didn't work. I will celebrate the day I go to a Stevie show and don't have to hear that song. The only part I like is when it's fading into Dreams and she sings "Love is a word that some entertain, if you find it you have won the game" 1)because it's a great line and 2)because the song is ending and I love the music to the fade in part. It was never a hit and I've never heard it being a fan favorite so why is it still there? Because she feels safe and comfortable performing it and possibly has some huge emotional connection to it and can't let go?

Dreams should and will most likely always remain in the set list. Any casual fan that goes to a Stevie/FM concert EXPECTS to hear that song and would most likely leave disapointed and wanting their $$ back if it wasn't played so we die-hards just have to accept it. It's one of her signature songs if not her #1 signature song and will therefore remain a staple.

Wow, I feel the EXACT oppositte. Outside the Rain to me should never be dropped, its such a great song especially live. I think the fact its not a hit but still a staple is great. The only good thing about Dreams is its attatched to Outside the Rain.

[David]

I agree with that. It would be like going to a Stones concert and not getting Satisfaction and that's why it was played at their Super Bowl show. Edge of 17 is also a Stevie standard.
Yabbut Stevie tours just about every year. I doubt there'd be a problem if she didn't do one standard this year or one standard that year. This idea that thousands of people would walk out of a concert is . . . I've never witnessed such a thing.

Plus, some of the songs that we always considered standards -- like Rhiannon -- all of a sudden weren't played (like in 1987 with Fleetwood Mac or 1989 solo). It was a little weird at first, but everybody just adapted to it. Nobody had a hysteria fit meltdown Janie Got A Gun thing going on ... you just waited until the next tour (1990 Fleetwood Mac & 1991 solo) & Rhiannon was back in!

I guess if you tour once every decade, you'd better play your big hit "Dreams." But if you're out on the road in one form or another virtually every year, you can give "Dreams" a break without the empire crumbling.

In fact, given the fact that Stevie's on the road almost every year, she could do literally anything she wanted to do with her set. Fan pressure to play something one year would be offset by lack of pressure to do it the next year, & so on. After 1997, "Silver Springs" was a staple, a standard. But Fleetwood Mac dropped it in what? 2004? No big deal. The tour still made money. Fans still came. Audiences came. People showed up. Some people probably noticed it & missed it, but in the long run who really cared? You just figure you'll hear it the next time. So that's why I'm saying that Stevie could do anything she wants with her set. The fact that she keeps her core songs in is therefore indicative that she wants to keep them in.

The situation's a littl different with Europe & overseas, where Stevie does not tour every year. I guess those guys want to hear "Dreams" because they haven't had Stevie on their shores in ten years.

Also, I think by this point just about everyone in the United States who wanted to see Stevie Nicks has seen Stevie Nicks. If you live here & you haven't seen her yet, it's probably more your fault than hers. You just have to get your ass to a concert. Your window of opportunity is enormous.

[David]

Wow, I feel the EXACT oppositte. Me, too. I've always loved Outside the Rain. It made a great opener for many years. It was cool.

[David]

It would be like going to a Stones concert and not getting Satisfaction and that's why it was played at their Super Bowl show.I wouldn't care. Would you really care? I mean, you might notice, "Hey they didn't play Satisfaction," but other than that, if the concert was filled with great Stones material, would it really bother you? I don't think it would bother the majority of people at the Stones show.

Now if the Stones did a whole concert of B sides or esoteric album tracks so that half the audience didn't recognize anything, then they might think the concert sucked.

but of course that's never the case with either the Stones or Stevie Nicks. it never comes anywhere near that.

[JWS]

I wouldn't care. Would you really care? I mean, you might notice, "Hey they didn't play Satisfaction," but other than that, if the concert was filled with great Stones material, would it really bother you? I don't think it would bother the majority of people at the Stones show.

Now if the Stones did a whole concert of B sides or esoteric album tracks so that half the audience didn't recognize anything, then they might think the concert sucked.

but of course that's never the case with either the Stones or Stevie Nicks. it never comes anywhere near that.

Actually, I've never been to a Stones concert. But, if I did, I wouldn't personally care about hearing Satisfaction. I was thinking more about what the audience as whole would want to hear. Maybe they wouldn't care either.

[SapphireSister]

Yabbut Stevie tours just about every year. I doubt there'd be a problem if she didn't do one standard this year or one standard that year. This idea that thousands of people would walk out of a concert is . . . I've never witnessed such a thing.

Plus, some of the songs that we always considered standards -- like Rhiannon -- all of a sudden weren't played (like in 1987 with Fleetwood Mac or 1989 solo). It was a little weird at first, but everybody just adapted to it. Nobody had a hysteria fit meltdown Janie Got A Gun thing going on ... you just waited until the next tour (1990 Fleetwood Mac & 1991 solo) & Rhiannon was back in!

I guess if you tour once every decade, you'd better play your big hit "Dreams." But if you're out on the road in one form or another virtually every year, you can give "Dreams" a break without the empire crumbling.


But here's the thing - there are some fans who will go to see FM for the first time (or haven't seen them in years) and may never go again. They'll go as a novelty because they've been a casual fan over the years or have recently gotten into their music. If that's the case it's not an option for them to "just wait until the next tour", especially when ticket prices can be in excess of $100. It is those people who will be disappointed not to hear Dreams. Like the people in Vegas for example that may have been in Vegas and just happened to hear about Stevie performing so they bought tickets. Those people will want to hear Dreams and there are still some of us die hards who would be disappointed not to hear it even if we've heard it a thousand times.

[Sorcerer386]

I personally don't think there is a better opener than Outside the Rain. Even though it is way too toned down now, those opening chords are such a rush (as someone else mentioned). Plus, I don't believe that an opening song should be a hit, or if it is, not a major hit. To me, an opener shouldn't be too slow or too fast, and it should kind of set the tone for the concert. In my opinion, there is a large amount of "Stevieness" in Outside the Rain, if anyone understands what I mean. I think it sets the best tone for Stevie's solo concerts. The same goes for The Chain. Even though I would personally like to see The Chain come in as an encore, I don't think there's another song I would like better for the opener (even though Second Hand News and Say You Love Me traditionally were the openers...I didn't like them as such). The Chain sets the sort of melodramatic mood for a Fleetwood Mac concert.

[Hawkeye]

I personally don't think there is a better opener than Outside the Rain. Even though it is way too toned down now

You see, I even disagree with that. Of all her songs she does now that shes done forever I think its one of the least toned down. The Gold Dust/ 2 Voices werent THAT much different then the great Street Angel/RAL versions. So unlike Rhiannon, Stop Dragging My Heart Around and others I dont think Outside the Rain is toned down much these days at all.

[JazmenFlowers]

I personally don't think there is a better opener than Outside the Rain.
totally. RAL versions are the best. whenever I hear those chords it is a feeling I can't describe. I love it.

[Boots]

Question...it sounds like Stevie is always singing "Outside the Rain" at her concerts...does she still do "Gold and Braid"?

[JazmenFlowers]

Question...it sounds like Stevie is always singing "Outside the Rain" at her concerts...does she still do "Gold and Braid"?
I don't think she's done it in quite some time.

[Sahara]

Would she be up for the Gold and Braid dance these days?

HELL YEAH!!! :woohoo:

[skcin]

Question...it sounds like Stevie is always singing "Outside the Rain" at her concerts...does she still do "Gold and Braid"?


I think Enchanted was the last full tour in which G&B was done live. I believe she also did G&B at the "Millenium" shows too.

[Boots]

Shame. G&B is a kick ass song. One of my all time favorite performances is Stevie doing that for the HBO special turned video turned DVD turned any clip you can find on the internet. I love how she dances to that song, and when she threw the tambo to her side to get to the guts of that last chorus...AHHHHH!!! Fabulous.:thumbsup: "Don't hides your eyes that way...don't hide anything...anymore...because I never did not love you...I never did run from you..in a dream I sent to you..that I, I'd always Luuuuuvvvv you!"

Now there's a Stevie-ism..."I never did not love you"... bad grammar, but I guess it is the poet that she is... ;)

[David]

totally. RAL versions are the best. whenever I hear those chords it is a feeling I can't describe. I love it.It was a great energy moment, too, to see the band dive into those opening chords (F, Fmaj7, G/F, F, Fmaj7) & not see Stevie ... & then the spotlights hit her walking out from backstage, all dolled up in her capes & throwing her fist in the air.

[Phoenix]

I thought you guys all traded for all this material. I figured you ALL had most if not all of all this alla-walla-walla-wallla stuff! :blob2: :blob2: :blob1: :blob1: :eek:

You don't even need to trade for it any more. There are all those Web sites out there that just post it all year long! Come on, folks, wake up!


WOW> I love how some people just Assume:shocked:

[Phoenix]

Also, I think by this point just about everyone in the United States who wanted to see Stevie Nicks has seen Stevie Nicks. If you live here & you haven't seen her yet, it's probably more your fault than hers. You just have to get your ass to a concert. Your window of opportunity is enormous.

Again, Amazed at how people can assume. :o :distress:

[Phoenix]

I LOVE outside the rain. The First time that I'd EVER heard this song was live on the enchanted tour. I am 25 and yes, in "that" group of stevie fans who yes, loved her growing up in the 80's, and owned, rumors,ral, FM's greatest hits, BTM,Timespace, andSA. But Did not become OBSESSED :thumbsup: untill the reunion in 97. Words can not express how much I love this song. I allways feel that same feeling that I felt when I heard it for the first time in 98. I am allways SO TERRIBLY jealous of those of you who have the "been there, done that since 81 and am board with it mentality. Tom petty and mike cambell worked on this with her. (I love the demos) He is her Hero, and I imagine, That if I ever worked on a song with Stevie Nicks, You'd best believe, that It would never leave my setlist! It also is connected to Dreams, wich we know is dear to HER. So ROCK ON OUTESIDE THE RAIN:blob2: :blob2: Oh how I whish this would have been titled the "outeside the rain for people who love it appreciation thread.
THank you so very much to people who posted these other versions!!! not ALL of us have heard them...............

[David]

[/B]
Again, Amazed at how people can ASSUME. :o :o :distress: :distress:
Are you a boy or a girl?

[gold_dustgypsy]

I think Enchanted was the last full tour in which G&B was done live. I believe she also did G&B at the "Millenium" shows too.

Does anyone have any clips of Stevie doing G&B on the Enchanted tour??? I would looove to see them if you do! :thumbsup: I've only ever seen it on the WW Dove tour... but that was totally awesome :blob2: :blob1:

[Phoenix]

Are you a boy or a girl?
What diference does that make. Wierd question, Dude.

[skcin]

Does anyone have any clips of Stevie doing G&B on the Enchanted tour??? I would looove to see them if you do! :thumbsup: I've only ever seen it on the WW Dove tour... but that was totally awesome :blob2: :blob1:


Yes, I do, I'll try to get one posted this weekend.

[AliceLover]

Yes, I do, I'll try to get one posted this weekend.

They aren't too special IMO. I was so thrilled when I heard it start to play at the concert but she just stood there playing the tambie. All the Energy was gone.

[David]

What diference does that make. Wierd question, Dude.I figured it was more polite to ask a simple, neutral question than to insult you back after being insulted by you. :wavey:

I'm a peacenik.;)

[skcin]

They aren't too special IMO. I was so thrilled when I heard it start to play at the concert but she just stood there playing the tambie. All the Energy was gone.


They aren't as good as the '81 tour by any means, but I don't think they're bad. Her vocal was great. Did she do the "tambo dance" and "booty shakedown" that everyone remembers from the In Concert video? :laugh: No, of course not. But I personally don't think you can really compare Stevie in her 30's to Stevie in her 50's. It's apples & oranges. :shrug:

[BlackWidow]

Shame. G&B is a kick ass song. One of my all time favorite performances is Stevie doing that for the HBO special turned video turned DVD turned any clip you can find on the internet. I love how she dances to that song, and when she threw the tambo to her side to get to the guts of that last chorus...AHHHHH!!! Fabulous.:thumbsup: "Don't hides your eyes that way...don't hide anything...anymore...because I never did not love you...I never did run from you..in a dream I sent to you..that I, I'd always Luuuuuvvvv you!"

Now there's a Stevie-ism..."I never did not love you"... bad grammar, but I guess it is the poet that she is... ;)
It is a Gemini thing..we use words...not grammar to get it across..TRUE!

[Phoenix]

I figured it was more polite to ask a simple, neutral question than to insult you back after being insulted by you. :wavey:

I'm a peacenik.;)

:xoxo: It is not my intent to inslut. I enjoy your posts. I was only making an observation. I honestly am not sure what was insluting, but think nothing of it. My feelings were running high because I just have a deep love for the song..
Thank you for sharing your live versions.:)

[David]

I just have a deep love for the song.If you form a band with me, we can play "Outside the Rain" lots of times. My boss is in Phoenix, so when I go out there to visit, we can rehearse!

[Sorcerer386]

You see, I even disagree with that. Of all her songs she does now that shes done forever I think its one of the least toned down. The Gold Dust/ 2 Voices werent THAT much different then the great Street Angel/RAL versions. So unlike Rhiannon, Stop Dragging My Heart Around and others I dont think Outside the Rain is toned down much these days at all.

I meant toned down just as far as her not doing the high parts at the end of the verses (except the last). She doesn't even just sing them as they were on Bella Donna, she goes really low on them. But definitely, compared to Rhiannon and SDMHA, it is one of the least toned down. Rhiannon I can still get into, but SDMHA dropped as low as it is just doesn't work too well for me.

Now there's a Stevie-ism..."I never did not love you"... bad grammar, but I guess it is the poet that she is...

Actually, this IS good grammar. She uses the double negative on purpose. She's really saying "I always did love you," but put that against the music and it doesn't flow as well, or IMO have the same impact, as "I never did not love you."

[Phoenix]

If you form a band with me, we can play "Outside the Rain" lots of times. My boss is in Phoenix, so when I go out there to visit, we can rehearse!

NO Way Man!! Sounds like a plan let me know when you come.. I do sing, so Seriously, " ......Ask me and I'm there ........"
(glad everything is cool.:) I was woried for a moment)

[Sahara]

Actually, this IS good grammar. She uses the double negative on purpose. She's really saying "I always did love you," but put that against the music and it doesn't flow as well, or IMO have the same impact, as "I never did not love you."

:nod: That's right. I was going to say it but then I thought, "Nah, there's probably something I'm missing...!" :rolleyes: