Stevie's SAY YOU WILL demos

[johnny4406]

Hello! Can someone post Stevie's SAY YOU WILL demos? I want to listen to them to try to figure out exactly why she likes them better than the finished songs. Thanks- John:blob1:

[DestinyRules]

I heard a little bit of Silver Hurl... uh, I mean "Silver Girl" on Destiny Rules. The song was at least tolerable from what I heard.

[jkmaletic]

Stevie's definitely right about her "Not Make Believe" demo being better than the finished version (if she's ever said that). (sorry- I have it on cd but don't know how to post it)

[Boots]

I heard a little bit of Silver Hurl... uh, I mean "Silver Girl" on Destiny Rules.

:lol: Good one!

I haven't heard the demos, but I think she like to put down Lindsey's efforts when she can. Perhaps I'm being unfair or cynical - but there it is. I heard the same Silver Girl demo on DR, and it wasn't any better than what Lindsey did to it.

[DavidMn]

I heard a little bit of Silver Hurl... uh, I mean "Silver Girl" on Destiny Rules. The song was at least tolerable from what I heard.I loved Silver Girl but I think youre zinger was hilarious!:lol:

[JazmenFlowers]

I loved Silver Girl but I think youre zinger was hilarious!:lol:
I do too. I don't get all the hate over Silver Girl. I love the harmonies and the laid-back feel of it.

[DavidMn]

I do too. I don't get all the hate over Silver Girl. I love the harmonies and the laid-back feel of it.Well, we both love Desert Angel too remember.:eek: :lol:

[Sahara]

I second this motion. I think SYW is one of the Mac's finest albums.

[DavidMn]

I second this motion. I think SYW is one of the Mac's finest albums.I've believed that since it came out. Glad you share my opinion.:thumbsup:

[StreetAngel86]

Stevie's definitely right about her "Not Make Believe" demo being better than the finished version (if she's ever said that). (sorry- I have it on cd but don't know how to post it)


you're kidding right? :shocked:

the TISL version sounds bland and like she's not trying

[Phoenix]

:lol: Good one!

I haven't heard the demos, but I think she like to put down Lindsey's efforts when she can. Perhaps I'm being unfair or cynical - but there it is. I heard the same Silver Girl demo on DR, and it wasn't any better than what Lindsey did to it.

I like her voice better on the demo, and also The flute was cool too. Lindsey removed those in favor of his favorite thing................................cheese.:p :xoxo:

[Red]

you're kidding right? :shocked:

the TISL version sounds bland and like she's not trying

Off topic, but I love your sig. She IS shaking it like a Polaroid picture, isn't she?:)

[StreetAngel86]

Off topic, but I love your sig. She IS shaking it like a Polaroid picture, isn't she?:)

LOL sorry couldn't help it
that's the first thing that came to mind
when i rewatched it :lol:

GET UP ON THAT BAR STEVIE
and dance dance dance ;)

[johnny4406]

Can ANYONE upload some of Stevie's SAY YOU WILL demos?
PLEASE? :(

[ragandbone]

I do too. I don't get all the hate over Silver Girl. I love the harmonies and the laid-back feel of it.
I really love this Stevie photo! May I ask where you found it?

[Nixxxed]

Can ANYONE upload some of Stevie's SAY YOU WILL demos?
PLEASE? :(
The actual SYW demos Stevie brought to the sessions (the "Phoenix Four": Say You Will, Destiny Rules, Illume, and Silver Girl) aren't in circulation, other than what is briefly heard on the DR documentary. (So - if you have the DVD, you've already heard what everyone else has.) Someone ripped clips from the DVD a few years back, but I haven't seen them since.

Or are you asking for the older demos:
- Thrown Down: TISL Demos 1 or 2, and "Wall of Sound" outtake with Lindsey
- Not Make Believe: TISL Demo
- Running Through The Garden: RAL demo
- Smile At You: Jeez, Mirage (?) demos, like 3 or 4 of them
- Goodbye Baby: "The Tower" demo from the '70s

As for Everybody Finds Out, I've never heard of a demo for that. And until I actually had the CD in hand, I thought it would be a Lindsey song. :laugh:

[Nixxxed]

I really love this Stevie photo! May I ask where you found it?
Yeah, Jaz, spill it! I can't remember seeing that one, either.

Looks like maybe a Tusk outtake to me, though. :shrug:

[johnny4406]

Oh I see.. didn't realize that they weren't in circulation. :lol:

Im dying to figure out exactly what she didn't
like about Lindsey's production.
He did an amazing job at not making her
sound like a goat (the "Everyday" voice)
and the whole album is just fantastic.

That always happens.. fans usually like
what artists don't. And artists usually
really like certain songs that fans don't.

:woohoo:

[JazmenFlowers]

Yeah, Jaz, spill it! I can't remember seeing that one, either.

Looks like maybe a Tusk outtake to me, though. :shrug:
I swiped it from those eBay photos and photoshopped it a bit.

[StreetAngel86]

The actual SYW demos Stevie brought to the sessions (the "Phoenix Four": Say You Will, Destiny Rules, Illume, and Silver Girl) aren't in circulation, other than what is briefly heard on the DR documentary. (So - if you have the DVD, you've already heard what everyone else has.) Someone ripped clips from the DVD a few years back, but I haven't seen them since.

we NEED to get these somehow
well, i'm really only interested in Destiny Rules from that bunch of "4"


Or are you asking for the older demos:
- Thrown Down: TISL Demos 1 or 2, and "Wall of Sound" outtake with Lindsey

is it just me (probably is) but is the "single" version of Thrown Down the best version of aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaall the versions they had TISL & SYW :thumbsup:


As for Everybody Finds Out, I've never heard of a demo for that. And until I actually had the CD in hand, I thought it would be a Lindsey song. :laugh:

Remember now.......it was called MONICA :lol:
if i could have ANY demo in the world
i would want that
i bet it's awesome ****!

[SapphireSister]

As for Everybody Finds Out, I've never heard of a demo for that. And until I actually had the CD in hand, I thought it would be a Lindsey song. :laugh:

Actually Stevie didn't write the music to EFO, only the lryics. Rick Nowels wrote this song (which happens to be one of the best on the album IMO). I was curious why they would use a song with someone else's music when they have 2 very competent composers in the band. Stevie has so many beautiful songs she wrote herself that they could have put on SYW.
Anyway I'm not sure if that has anything to do with the fact that we have no demo.

[johnny4406]

Actually Stevie didn't write the music to EFO, only the lryics. Rick Nowels wrote this song (which happens to be one of the best on the album IMO). I was curious why they would use a song with someone else's music when they have 2 very competent composers in the band. Stevie has so many beautiful songs she wrote herself that they could have put on SYW.
Anyway I'm not sure if that has anything to do with the fact that we have no demo.


That's because although she CAN do it, she probably liked the idea that Rick had for the music. She isn't an arranger or producer. She can write the melody of a song on piano. But she can't write arrangements..etc

She probably just really liked Rick's idea, and went with it.
It is a VERY cool song if you think about it! :)

[Nixxxed]

Actually Stevie didn't write the music to EFO, only the lryics. Rick Nowels wrote this song (which happens to be one of the best on the album IMO). I was curious why they would use a song with someone else's music when they have 2 very competent composers in the band. Stevie has so many beautiful songs she wrote herself that they could have put on SYW.
Anyway I'm not sure if that has anything to do with the fact that we have no demo.
Exactly - but she didn't write the music for RTTG either... :shrug:

I think an EFO demo has to exist, possibly 2 of them:

- Rick Nowels' original instrumental
- Stevie's vocal demo

I really doubt Stevie would bring the song to Lindsey without a vocal demo, although I suppose it's possible they could have worked out the vocals together. (But highly unlikely given the faces he makes while trying to work out the Angel vocals with Stevie on the Tusk Docu... :laugh: ) But I think Rick's instrumental is a given.

I love the song too, and it really got the album marketing shaft. So did Miranda. :(

[JazmenFlowers]

I love the song too, and it really got the album marketing shaft. So did Miranda. :(
I agree. What fascinates me is Stevie's (or any other lyricist) ability to set lyrics that match perfectly to this song and others. It fits the "feel" of the music very well.

[Nixxxed]

That's because although she CAN do it, she probably liked the idea that Rick had for the music. She isn't an arranger or producer. She can write the melody of a song on piano. But she can't write arrangements..etc

She probably just really liked Rick's idea, and went with it.
It is a VERY cool song if you think about it! :)

That's what I think, too. She's said several times that's why she wrote the lyrics for and recorded "I Can't Wait". Something along the lines of, "Rick gave me an instrumental track, and it was some of the most exciting music I'd ever heard..."

[StreetAngel86]

That's because although she CAN do it, she probably liked the idea that Rick had for the music. She isn't an arranger or producer. She can write the melody of a song on piano. But she can't write arrangements..etc

She probably just really liked Rick's idea, and went with it.
It is a VERY cool song if you think about it! :)

eek! it really doesn't bother me if stevie writes the music or not
she wrote the lyrics
that's all i'm interested it.

but with EFO........the music TOTALLY fits with the lyrics
i can't even write 1 line of a song
let alone try and compose the music for one :lol:

[SapphireSister]

Exactly - but she didn't write the music for RTTG either... :shrug:(

Reallly? Who wrote the music to that one? Good to know though b/c I can't stand RTTG so at least I can't say she wrote bad music.

[SapphireSister]

eek! it really doesn't bother me if stevie writes the music or not
she wrote the lyrics
that's all i'm interested it.


See it TOTALLY matters to me and I so wish it didn't. Knowing that Steve is a songwriter (meaning she can compose basic melodies, we know she doesn't arrange, etc.) I always put an emphasis on whether or not she wrote the music to a song and it tends to bother me for some reason if she didn't write it. For example she didn't write the music for 3 of my favorite songs, I Can't Wait, Rooms on Fire, and EFO. Being that the music and the lyrics are equally important to me (although if I don't like the music to the song chances are I'm not going to be a fan of it even though it has great lyrics) it seems like they are really HER songs if she composed the basic music AND wrote the lyrics. Doesn't make them any less great of songs, I just wish she wrote the music to all of my favorites. Other examples are Seven Wonders and Nightbird. I love them to death but they are not her original music compositions.

I only found out about 3 months ago that she didn't write the music to Rooms on Fire (which has always been my favorite song) and I almost had a heart attack :eek:. I don't know why it matters to me so much, it just does. I don't love the song any less I just wish she had written it. I hope this makes sense!

[SapphireSister]

I agree. What fascinates me is Stevie's (or any other lyricist) ability to set lyrics that match perfectly to this song and others. It fits the "feel" of the music very well.

You are so right! That is an amazing ability and one I admire greatly! I've tried to do it myself and it's very challenging. Stevie is very gifted at it.

[Nixxxed]

Reallly? Who wrote the music to that one? Good to know though b/c I can't stand RTTG so at least I can't say she wrote bad music.
http://discog.fleetwoodmac.net/songs.php?sid=247&perfid=513

Ray Kennedy & Gary Nicholson. They both have written other stuff for Stevie/The Mac too, which I hadn't realized & found pleasantly surprising. (Click on their names in the link to see the lists...)

I found this on the Penguin - they're not listed on the Nicksfix for some reason. Neither is Rick N. for EFO. :shrug:

[StreetAngel86]

SapphireSister: i totally agree about the music making the song. that's why RTTG & EFO are my 2 fave songs from SYW. in that instance it's the music that got me interested initially otherwise i just don't care for a song. and then i go pay attention to the lyrics. there are a LOT of Stevie lyrics i LOVE esp in the demos. but hearing them disappoints me. i dont have any musical ability wotsoever but i know what i like :D In particular...i LOVE the lyrics to Old Fashioned but the music just brings it down.

i was going to start a new post but thought i'd just post here coz it's SYW related.

before SYW was finalized...they had 23 songs that they had to cut down to the 18 on the cd.

I know there's

I Am Waiting
Not Make Believe
Love Minus Zero

i'm having a mental blank if i know the other 2
but were they both Lindsey's songs
or was one of them Stevie's?
{i'm assuming this is not referring to the live versions of SYW & PK coz Stevie was talking about cutting it down BEFORE they released it so those 2 songs wouldn't have been considered}

[jwd]

Im dying to figure out exactly what she didn't
like about Lindsey's production.
He did an amazing job at not making her
sound like a goat (the "Everyday" voice)
and the whole album is just fantastic.

It's called a goat filter, except I think it was malfunctioning during parts of "Destiny Rules".

[gldstwmn]

SapphireSister: i totally agree about the music making the song. that's why RTTG & EFO are my 2 fave songs from SYW. in that instance it's the music that got me interested initially otherwise i just don't care for a song. and then i go pay attention to the lyrics. there are a LOT of Stevie lyrics i LOVE esp in the demos. but hearing them disappoints me. i dont have any musical ability wotsoever but i know what i like :D In particular...i LOVE the lyrics to Old Fashioned but the music just brings it down.

i was going to start a new post but thought i'd just post here coz it's SYW related.

before SYW was finalized...they had 23 songs that they had to cut down to the 18 on the cd.

I know there's

I Am Waiting
Not Make Believe
Love Minus Zero

i'm having a mental blank if i know the other 2
but were they both Lindsey's songs
or was one of them Stevie's?
{i'm assuming this is not referring to the live versions of SYW & PK coz Stevie was talking about cutting it down BEFORE they released it so those 2 songs wouldn't have been considered}

It has been rumoured that All The Beautiful Worlds was recorded for SYW.
For the record, I liked Chris Lord Alge's mixes (Destiny Rules, Say You Will Cold remix) better than Mark Needham's. :sorry:

[David]

It has been rumoured that All The Beautiful Worlds was recorded for SYW.
For the record, I liked Chris Lord Alge's mixes (Destiny Rules, Say You Will Cold remix) better than Mark Needham's. :sorry:Is there somewhere we can compare the two engineers' respective work?

[gldstwmn]

Is there somewhere we can compare the two engineers' respective work?

Well, you can listen to Say You will the CD version and then the cold remix. Do you have it? If not, I'll post the cold remix for you.

[no_spoken_word]

It has been rumoured that All The Beautiful Worlds was recorded for SYW.

I love that song! Woulda been great on the album. Hopefully next time (if there is a next time...)!

[SapphireSister]

It has been rumoured that All The Beautiful Worlds was recorded for SYW.


That breaks my heart! ATBW is my absolute favorite unreleased Stevie song ever. I would have taken if over any of the SYW songs. Oh well there's alywas hope for it on a new album but the chances of that aren't very good :(

[gldstwmn]

I love that song! Woulda been great on the album. Hopefully next time (if there is a next time...)!

Maybe it will make it's way to iTunes or leak. One can hope.

[johnny4406]

Are you guys sure that there was 23 songs recorded?

I know of "I am waiting"

After seeing Lindsey's Soundstage last night
One would think "Down on Rodeo" and "Someone's gotta change your mind"
were considered for SAY YOU WILL

Where did you guys here the rumour for "All the beautiful worlds"??
THAT WOULD HAVE ROCKED

I still think that they have one more record in them
in the DESTINY RULES DOC Lindsey said "and this is the studio
were building where fleetwood mac will hopefully record their
next album"

And we all know Mick is money hungry :)

And John is always up for anything!

And we all know that Stevie loves being in the band


I WANT ANOTHER RECORD!!!! :(

[Dealer]

Well, you can listen to Say You will the CD version and then the cold remix. Do you have it? If not, I'll post the cold remix for you.

I don't think I've heard this "cold remix" of Say You will. If not too much trouble, would you post it.?.? :)

[StreetAngel86]

Are you guys sure that there was 23 songs recorded?

yes. Stevie said so in one of the promo interviews somewhere :thumbsup:

I know of "I am waiting"

After seeing Lindsey's Soundstage last night
One would think "Down on Rodeo" and "Someone's gotta change your mind"
were considered for SAY YOU WILL

Where did you guys here the rumour for "All the beautiful worlds"??
THAT WOULD HAVE ROCKED

this KILLED ME!!!!!

i would die if that was on SYW
i love the demos sooo much!!!

I still think that they have one more record in them
in the DESTINY RULES DOC Lindsey said "and this is the studio
were building where fleetwood mac will hopefully record their
next album"

And we all know Mick is money hungry :)

And John is always up for anything!

And we all know that Stevie loves being in the band


I WANT ANOTHER RECORD!!!! :(

another DOUBLE RECORD LOL
who cares if it doesn't sell 25 million copies
i want 18 more songs dammit
THEN they can retire from the studio :lol:

[johnny4406]

We need another album
SAY YOU WILL is absolutely perfect

God, I even like Silver Girl and Miranda now

At first, those were the only two songs that I didn't...


It is such a brilliant album

Let's join forces and let Mick know we
want another album

He's the one that will make it happen!

[gldstwmn]

I don't think I've heard this "cold remix" of Say You will. If not too much trouble, would you post it.?.? :)

Here ya go:
http://s13.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0UXZ7ZWMOGU0K2EM0XND19C5VF

[johnny4406]

I just downloaded it and it cuts off at the very end! help!!

are there any other "single versions" for any of the other SAY YOU WILL singles????

[Dealer]

Here ya go:
http://s13.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0UXZ7ZWMOGU0K2EM0XND19C5VF

Thanks for sharing. I actually like this better than the album version. John is more prominent and minimizes the girls at the end, which is the part I hate about syw.:wavey:

[gldstwmn]

Thanks for sharing. I actually like this better than the album version. John is more prominent and minimizes the girls at the end, which is the part I hate about syw.:wavey:

I like it better than the CD version too. It just sounds more happy. :wavey:

[johnny4406]

Does it cut off at the end for you guys too?

[gldstwmn]

Does it cut off at the end for you guys too?

The songs ends "cold." I'm not sure that's what you mean though.

[StreetAngel86]

Thanks for sharing. I actually like this better than the album version. John is more prominent and minimizes the girls at the end, which is the part I hate about syw.:wavey:

that's prob the only part of the song i hate
aside from the commercial aspect of it
the girls' singing ANNOYS ME
if they had been left off
i would like it much better ;)

i used to love Silver Girl
til everyone bitched about it on here
and clouded my vision :laugh:
but i used to like it coz i thought it was about Stevie
I can still like the song if i think it is about Stevie :thumbsup:
Sheryl who.... :laugh:

[amber]

Here ya go:
http://s13.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0UXZ7ZWMOGU0K2EM0XND19C5VF

Thank you. That is way, way better. Way.

God, its middrag tempo drives me nuts on the album version. In addition to other differences, the tempo on this one is excellent. The song moves - and that guitar is a great addition. Who the hell decided to release the other???:confused: Although I don't like the girls much (background singers). Their "Sayyouwill!" is too invasive and shrill.

[johnny4406]

No... whoever posted this has an incomplete mp3

Its supposed to end "If I can geeeeet yooou too daaaaance." and then it ends


No fading... just vocals

and they all end the song

Just like the AOL sessions version, but obviously NOT live

:(

anyone else have a copy of this?
I had this a long time ago and lost it

[Phoenix]

No... whoever posted this has an incomplete mp3

Its supposed to end "If I can geeeeet yooou too daaaaance." and then it ends


No fading... just vocals

and they all end the song

Just like the AOL sessions version, but obviously NOT live

:(

anyone else have a copy of this?
I had this a long time ago and lost it

The official single release that I have has two versions. They are both the "sped up radio versions with extra guitar" but one is with the kids singing out the end to a fade. The "cold version" ends with them singing GIVE ME ONE MORE CHANCE. Then stops. The only other "officially released one that I know of WAS the one on the "special edition say you will with the Aol Sessions version where they end it with the "geeeeet you to daaaance".

[johnny4406]

Can you post them!? :)