Illume, alternative version

[TomBanks147]

http://s45.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=39GUHIKH3XPQY10ZX8XO3BN16D

[JohnL]

Something is awry here...I got some song called New York by Richard Ashcroft.

[TomBanks147]

yeah, The riff and the melody between those too songs hauntingly similar :(

Kind of disapointed at Stevie.

[Boots]

Wondered if it was just sheer coincidence? Ashcroft released this song in 2000 - and Stevie wrote Illume in 2001 after 911. I mean...do you think she's ever heard of or listened to Richard Ashcroft?

It is quite startling - the songs are very similar.

[TomBanks147]

Richard Ashcroft comes from the same small town I come from "Wigan" here in the UK. I've even met the guy.

He's well known here in the UK and his band the Verve where one of the biggest bands of the 90's. Will probably recognise the song bellow by the
Verve.

http://s17.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=258RAT52L5L8R29FNJVDBAGUAO

His solo stuff for example, "new york" has never been as big but hes still well known here. I have no idea of his sucesses elese where, like the states but I predict it's not very big. I'm actually a big fan of his. I've never really read of what modern music Stevie is into so I don't know if shes heard of them.

I'm just dissapointed because I really love Illume and wouldn't want to think Stevie just pinched it like that, especailly how she connects such a deep meaning like 9/11 to it. You think it's a coinsidence?

[TheBlueLamp]

I'd heard that the two songs were very similar but that's astonishing.

[TomBanks147]

Theres on little differences between the bassline, riff and melody.

It's just disapointing when you think Stevie sat there and wrote it with 9/11 in mind saything things like: http://www.inherownwords.com/illume.htm

[ontheEdgeof17]

Illume isn't the only thing they ripped of Richard A. Say You Will is very familiar to his song, Cmon People....which I like a lot better.



I'll post the song.

Edit: Here it is http://s51.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1PLIDVQCQ4MEG3BVADTPFVPVIB

[David]

Theres on little differences between the bassline, riff and melody.

It's just disapointing when you think Stevie sat there and wrote it with 9/11 in mind saything things like: http://www.inherownwords.com/illume.htm
What makes you think the ripoff was totally Stevie's fault? She doesn't write bass lines, riffs, or much (if anything) having to do with orchestration or arrangement -- all the elements that resemble the Ashcroft song.

We'd have to hear a pre-Buckingham demo of "Illume" to know just how much of the vocal melody & basic chord progression was even hers (both of which elements are very unusual for her).

To me, it's a case of Fleetwood Mac near-plagiarism, not Stevie Nicks near-plagiarism (although she's not free from blame because she's in Fleetwood Mac & certainly had something to do with the copying).

[David]

Illume isn't the only thing they ripped of Richard A. Say You Will is very familiar to his song, Cmon People....which I like a lot better.



I'll post the song.

Edit: Here it is http://s51.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1PLIDVQCQ4MEG3BVADTPFVPVIB
That's amazing! It's the same chord progression on the verses with the same count, even a strikingly similar guitar riff. The chorus of "Say You Will" veers off into its own direction (with an ascending scale in F), but those choruses are copied!

Obviously, Lindsey or Mark or or Mick or somebody was listening to the Ashcroft album very adoringly.

[JazmenFlowers]

What makes you think the ripoff was totally Stevie's fault? She doesn't write bass lines, riffs, or much (if anything) having to do with orchestration or arrangement -- all the elements that resemble the Ashcroft song.

We'd have to hear a pre-Buckingham demo of "Illume" to know just how much of the vocal melody & basic chord progression was even hers (both of which elements are very unusual for her).

To me, it's a case of Fleetwood Mac near-plagiarism, not Stevie Nicks near-plagiarism (although she's not free from blame because she's in Fleetwood Mac & certainly had something to do with the copying).
I was about to say exactly this. I'm not totally shocked though. There's a site (can't think of the name of it) that talks about this, along with similarities from Angel, Say You Will and something else to other songs.

[TomBanks147]

I guess Stevie was just listening to Richard Ashcroft a lot at the time. The melodys not really pinched on that one just the guitar it would seem.

What are peoples opinion of Richard and the Verve here on the Ledge? I personally love them. is he evenwell known in the part of the world you live?

His new song is incredible his voice is one of the best male voices I've heard.What you think?

http://s11.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=32OGRW6R05VYJ0UFHV8W9ONK05


http://www.bbc.co.uk/london/entertainment/images/music/richard_ashcroft.jpg

[Boots]

I really don't hear much of SYW on "C'Mon People"....but I will say - I'm really getting turned on to Richard Ashcroft. Nice, pop melodies and very Buckingham-esque in production...

[TomBanks147]

What makes you think the ripoff was totally Stevie's fault? She doesn't write bass lines, riffs, or much (if anything) having to do with orchestration or arrangement -- all the elements that resemble the Ashcroft song.

We'd have to hear a pre-Buckingham demo of "Illume" to know just how much of the vocal melody & basic chord progression was even hers (both of which elements are very unusual for her).

To me, it's a case of Fleetwood Mac near-plagiarism, not Stevie Nicks near-plagiarism (although she's not free from blame because she's in Fleetwood Mac & certainly had something to do with the copying).

I an see Lindsey listening to Richard more than Stevie and I hope thats the case rather than Stevie writing the lyrics to fit the song.

[TomBanks147]

I really don't hear much of SYW on "C'Mon People"....but I will say - I'm really getting turned on to Richard Ashcroft. Nice, pop melodies and very Buckingham-esque in production...

Just a question, had you heard of/listened to richard Ashcroft before this thread? I'm just wondering of his popularity elsewhere.

I have quite a few of his solo albums and verve albums so if you want I can upload quite a few of the songs that will give you a broad view of his career.

[Boots]

Thanks! I have heard The Verve before, but was unaware of Ashcroft's solo work. Actually, this thread has peaked my interested in Ashcroft and his former band. I just haven't really listened to them often.

I don't want you to go thru the trouble of uploading. I can always download from iTunes.:)

[TomBanks147]

His band where one of the big leaders of the britpop movement in the 90's here in brittain and he shares mutual respect with the Galagher brothers (the king of britpop)

Heres two of the classics from the verve album Urban Hyms to wet your appetite

http://s11.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=08ZLN2UN9WWLY07QFRJC6URSA4

http://s9.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2DIYW232K6Q4X06LS9O7QYI2KL

Its a shame hes not as well known as a solo artist because I think his voice has got better since the verve split and his songwritting has progressed.

[Boots]

His band where one of the big leaders of the britpop movement in the 90's here in brittain and he shares mutual respect with the Galagher brothers (the king of britpop)

Heres two of the classics from the verve album Urban Hyms to wet your appetite

http://s11.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=08ZLN2UN9WWLY07QFRJC6URSA4

http://s9.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2DIYW232K6Q4X06LS9O7QYI2KL

Its a shame hes not as well known as a solo artist because I think his voice has got better since the verve split and his songwritting has progressed.

:) TOM!!!!!!!!! You ROCK!!!! Thanks for links. I'm really loving "Lucky Man" - and I think I've heard it before - but not sure...

Are the Gallaghar brothers still creating havoc in Britain these days?

[MoonChilde]

http://s45.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=39GUHIKH3XPQY10ZX8XO3BN16D
:blob1: thanks for sharing that!! He is going to be in Toronto with Coldplay.and would really love to go ...

[gldstwmn]

I really don't hear much of SYW on "C'Mon People"....but I will say - I'm really getting turned on to Richard Ashcroft. Nice, pop melodies and very Buckingham-esque in production...

I loved The Verve and I like Richard Ashcroft a lot.

[bretonbanquet]

Are the Gallaghar brothers still creating havoc in Britain these days?

They're a bit old for that these days :laugh: They still have the attitude though.

All the Ashcroft / Mac soundalike situation reminded me that The Verve pinched a sample from Jagger & Richards for that track "Bittersweet Symphony"... it's endemic in music, "borrowing" stuff. Peter and Jeremy used to do it all the time.

[DavidMn]

You know, I dont mean to stir anything up, but wouldnt he have sued by now if he believed his song was infringed upon?

[TomBanks147]

They're a bit old for that these days :laugh: They still have the attitude though.

Saw them twice in 2005 and they where amazing.

All the Ashcroft / Mac soundalike situation reminded me that The Verve pinched a sample from Jagger & Richards for that track "Bittersweet Symphony"... it's endemic in music, "borrowing" stuff. Peter and Jeremy used to do it all the time.

Yeah I don't really have a problem with peopel "borrowing" music of others (and I don't think Ricahrd would be either) Everyone has to take influence from others and it wouldn't be the first time Stevie pinched a riff or something. Most of the music I listen to in regeritated music from gone by times (mainly the 60's)

It's just the similarities between Illume and New york or uncany.

[Richard B]

I absolutely love Richard Ashcroft and The Verve, especially since Bittersweet Symphony. His firt solo album was great but I'm a huge fan of Human Condition. Not as many fans for this album, but I think it's his best.

[David]

it's endemic in music, "borrowing" stuff.Consider the second movement of the Beethoven Symphony No. 1 in C major & its parroting of the themes & style of the second movement of the Mozart G minor symphony (K.550). The close similarities include:
1. The nature of the thematic material.
2. The quasi-sonata form (both movements have underdeveloped second themes & a minimal amount of bridge/transitional music).
3. The tempo & meter.
4. The reliance on embellishment as the primary variational/developmental technique.

Such borrowing isn't just periodic -- it's pervasive throughout the centuries.

[chiliD]

Peter and Jeremy used to do it all the time.

As did Lennon with "Albatross".

[TomBanks147]

I absolutely love Richard Ashcroft and The Verve, especially since Bittersweet Symphony. His firt solo album was great but I'm a huge fan of Human Condition. Not as many fans for this album, but I think it's his best.

Keys to the world is DEFFINATLY a return to form though.

[Richard B]

Keys to the world is DEFFINATLY a return to form though.
Yes. Songs like Check The Meaning, Paradise, Science of Silence and Nature Is The Law really had a huge connection with me.

Buy It In Bottles is simply profound.

[madformac]

Are the Gallaghar brothers still creating havoc in Britain these days?

They are getting on a bit now.. Noel is a cool guy and Liam is more of an adult now finally at 31 (more than can be said of me as I'm the same age)

I think they have settled into a groove now. Liam and Gem write well together, Andy Bell is also a great writer and of course Noel was born to write classic songs. Now that Zak Starkey looks like a full time member they are a pretty tight band. I can see them staying in the business a long time. The songs have matured too.

If you want havoc just google Pete Doherty... :eek: :rolleyes:

As far as stealing from other songs is concerned. If you look at the similarites on the Say You Will album to other songs e.g. Illume and Say You Will to Ashcroft and Peacekeeper to Kodachrome by Paul Simon (this is virtually the same) it's quite possible that Lindsey, as producer and arranger (as he likes to point out) may have been listening to other artists during the creative process and they, as Lindsey would put it, "informed the document of work". However, there are only so many chords and notes and you will get repetition from time to time. It's fair to say all modern rock music to a degree was influenced by chicago blues which was influenced from delta blues which was influenced by gospel blues etc etc. So it all dates back to the beginnings really. It's all recycled in one form or another.. haha, cycles again..

[chiliD]

As far as stealing from other songs is concerned. If you look at the similarites on the Say You Will album to other songs e.g. Illume and Say You Will to Ashcroft and Peacekeeper to Kodachrome by Paul Simon (this is virtually the same) it's quite possible that Lindsey, as producer and arranger (as he likes to point out) may have been listening to other artists during the creative process and they, as Lindsey would put it, "informed the document of work". However, there are only so many chords and notes and you will get repetition from time to time. It's fair to say all modern rock music to a degree was influenced by chicago blues which was influenced from delta blues which was influenced by gospel blues etc etc. So it all dates back to the beginnings really. It's all recycled in one form or another.. haha, cycles again..

And, early humanoids started beating on rocks with the leg bones of animals, which evolved to beating on stretched animal skins. Hence the modern drummer's roots.:lol:

Um...there's not much "blues" influence in King Crimson, ELP or Yes, there, Justin. ;)

Ya know, I DO hear a vague (emphasis on "vague") similarity in the choruses of "Kodachrome" and "Peacekeeper"...but only because someone mentioned it. If I'd never read that, I doubt I would've picked up on it. It's not as blatant & obvious as some people seem to point out.

As Tom said earlier, I can believe that Lindsey would've been more exposed to Verve/Richard Ashcroft than Stevie...so if there's any "fingerpointing" on a plagiarism basis with "Illume", Lindsey should probably be more "to blame". To me, this Illume/New York thing rates right there with the "He's So Fine/My Sweet Lord" thing. But, unfortunately, since "Illume" isn't a big hit, there's no reason to go through with any major plagiarism suit, since future earnings probably wouldn't recoup the expense of filing the suit & paying the lawyer's fees, for a claim that might not be victorious.

Another pair of plagiarities: Listen to The Animals tune "Cheating" (a rare B-side), then listen to Tom Petty's "Breakdown", same melody in verses, same chord pattern...the choruses are also similar, but that's where the songs separate...but, they're too close to even call "different songs".

[elie]

All the Ashcroft / Mac soundalike situation reminded me that The Verve pinched a sample from Jagger & Richards for that track "Bittersweet Symphony"... it's endemic in music, "borrowing" stuff. Peter and Jeremy used to do it all the time.

That's exactly what I was going to write. Bitterweet Symphony was a very obvious "borrowing" situation and it was a huge hit, whereas Illume isn't. So, I don't think it'a very serious case of rip-off.

[Angel69]

I've never heard the similiarities in Peacekeeper/Kodachrome. When SYW first came out the DJ said it sounded like Kodachrome and I was like really, I don't hear it. Kodachrome is faster and so different.

[johndoe]

While we're on the topic of borrowing parts of songs, I'm surprised no one brought up Zeppelin. I mean, most of Stairway has been taken from various songs from the past. I think the central riff of "Whole Lotta Love" is taken from another song, as well.

[shackin'up]

What about Murrow and RamJam's black betty?

By the way, the Verve didn't steal from Jagger/Richards, but from the orchestra that did an instrumental version of the jagger/richards song. That "violin-riff" is NOT from Jagger nor Richards, but was used in an instrumental that credited those two. The fact that the Verve didnot see any money for that beautiful anthem proves that the devil still ****s on one pile.

[johndoe]

Lindsey Buckingham's influences: Brian Wilson, John Stewart, and Ram Jam.

[face of glass]

...the devil still ****s on one pile.
Meaning Andrew Loog Oldham (ex-manager of The Rolling Stones). It was supposedly his orchestral recording from the 1960s that they "quoted". Oldham may have contributed to one of the greatest rock biographies in existence (Abba: The Name Of The Game, that has some flaws in factual information but is otherwise just simply hilarious to read; a FM book like that would be a dream come true), he may have given Billy Nicholls and other artists a proper record label at the end of the '60s, but quite often he's been just a money-grabbing bastard, plain and simple.

[shackin'up]

shame on you lindsey. I'm sure he's the one that put the New York connection there. It's typical for him. Though painful for me. I thought the Illume-arrangement was one of the best things he did on Stevies songs....thief.

[melly]

That's amazing! It's the same chord progression on the verses with the same count, even a strikingly similar guitar riff. The chorus of "Say You Will" veers off into its own direction (with an ascending scale in F), but those choruses are copied!

Obviously, Lindsey or Mark or or Mick or somebody was listening to the Ashcroft album very adoringly.

Oh. My. God. That opening is soooo similar!! That is... wow. I have to say this is messing with my head.

I can hear close similarities on the New York track too.

Oh Stevie... say you didn't. :(

I like the Verve and the two songs posted above A LOT.

[dontlookdown]

i think someone in the band should come clean about this.
maybe john mcvie can shed some light on it....

rock and roll traditionally borrows from influences but this is a little too
close for comfort, as they say.

[shackin'up]

rock and roll traditionally borrows from influences but this is a little too
close for comfort, as they say.
yeah yer right. It's painful.

[Peestie]

Just remembered about this thread a few weeks ago and went looking for New York by Ashcroft. Damn... It really is so very close. I'd love to hear a demo of Illume before Lindsey got to it to hear where New York got injected into the mix. I take it nothing like that's surfaced?

[gldstwmn]

Just remembered about this thread a few weeks ago and went looking for New York by Ashcroft. Damn... It really is so very close. I'd love to hear a demo of Illume before Lindsey got to it to hear where New York got injected into the mix. I take it nothing like that's surfaced?

Not that I know of. The Verve is back together and touring though.

[louielouie2000]

I don't know you guys, I think Stevie might have more to do with this copying of other artists sound than you may think. Anyone ever heard Sting's "Shape Of My Heart?" The acoustic guitar on Stevie's "Bombay Sapphires" is a virtual carbon copy of that song. Listen to it here on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX4jAplZb0Y

So maybe there is some truth to the whole lawsuit behind "Sara?" :distress:

[ricohv]

Could anyone repost the alternate Illume? Sorry-by the time I saw this thread it was not active anymore! Thanks in advance, Ricoh

[David]

I don't know you guys, I think Stevie might have more to do with this copying of other artists sound than you may think. Anyone ever heard Sting's "Shape Of My Heart?" The acoustic guitar on Stevie's "Bombay Sapphires" is a virtual carbon copy of that song. Listen to it here on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX4jAplZb0YStevie didn't play the guitar on Bombay Sapphires.

So maybe there is some truth to the whole lawsuit behind "Sara?" :distress:That lawsuit was over lyrics. The plagiarism in this instance is musical.

[michelej1]

I don't know you guys, I think Stevie might have more to do with this copying of other artists sound than you may think. Anyone ever heard Sting's "Shape Of My Heart?" The acoustic guitar on Stevie's "Bombay Sapphires" is a virtual carbon copy of that song. Listen to it here on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX4jAplZb0Y



Well, Waddy himself said that he was mad that the EO17 intro sounded so much like the Police song Bring on the Night, so that's another instance where maybe someone who plays for Stevie is a big Sting/Police fan. Michele

[louielouie2000]

For those of those who haven't heard the Richard Ashcroft songs you can look them up on youtube.com, here are the links:

Here is "Cmon People" aka "Say You Will"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAvopGD_SP0

Here is "New York" aka "Illume"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aKO38bPf7g

Speaking of "Edge of 17," anyone ever hear how Waddy totally ripped off the guitar riff for that song from "I wouldn't Want To Be Like You" by Alan Parsons??

Here it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pen4dMAv7zY

How is musical versus lyrical plagiarism different anyway? And how can we forget how Stevie herself admitted on Storytellers that she wrote "Stand Back" to the beat of Prince's "Little Red Corvette." It seems the odds are really begining to stack up against our little prolific poet.

[David]

How is musical versus lyrical plagiarism different anyway?Hi, Louie. Here's my view: in Stevie's particular case, lyrical plagiarism can more readily be attributed to Stevie because she writes most of the words herself by herself, whereas plagiarism in instrumentation or orchestration of a Stevie Nicks song almost always should be pinned on another person or persons because Stevie doesn't orchestrate or otherwise arrange her material (except perhaps the backup vocals).

And how can we forget how Stevie herself admitted on Storytellers that she wrote "Stand Back" to the beat of Prince's "Little Red Corvette."That just seems to be a legitimate borrowing of the essential chord progression -- as Stevie herself has accurately but simply put it, you can sing Stand Back while Little Red Corvette is playing & make it "work."

[michelej1]

But because she's so prolific, the fact that there has only been one plagiarism charge out of all the songs she has written is a good sign. Even the Sara case only settled for nuisance value, not for an amount that suggested the Plaintiff was really getting a royalty percentage.

I would love to see the transcript from Stevie's deposition. Was she really formal and did she just give answers carefully tailored to the questions posed to her, like her lawyers might advise, or did she get excited and talk like she does in interviews? It was probably very interesting.

Michele

[paleshadow]

But because she's so prolific, the fact that there has only been one plagiarism charge out of all the songs she has written is a good sign.


If Edgar Allan Poe and Oscar Wilde were still alive there may have been a couple more.

[LiamMcConville]

Speaking of "Edge of 17," anyone ever hear how Waddy totally ripped off the guitar riff for that song from "I wouldn't Want To Be Like You" by Alan Parsons??

Here it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pen4dMAv7zY


Actually, Edge sounds more like this Police song, released two years after the song you posted. (As pointed out above my Michele)

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[David]

Actually, Edge sounds more like this Police song, released two years after the song you posted.Gosh if the Stevie Nicks band was gonna steal, why couldn't they have ended up with a track that was stronger than the source, not weaker?!

Beethoven taught us the importance of stealing but improving on the source. I mean, d'uh.

[vivfox]

Actually, Edge sounds more like this Police song, released two years after the song you posted.

I only listened to one minute and forty seconds of this song and I can hear Edge of 17 perfectly. Stevie def. copied this.


http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd169/cielosharon/a16c.jpg

[LiamMcConville]

Gosh if the Stevie Nicks band was gonna steal, why couldn't they have ended up with a track that was stronger than the source, not weaker?!

Beethoven taught us the importance of stealing but improving on the source. I mean, d'uh.


I don't know David, I just don't know. :distress:

[Phoenix]

Actually, Edge sounds more like this Police song, released two years after the song you posted. (As pointed out above my Michele)

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Well I think i Like Edge much better than the police song. its too wheres bob marley when you need him.

Richard Ashcroft on the other hand is Briliant. I've enjoyed his stuff for sometime. But I also really enjoy illume and say you will.
Are there instramentals of His songs? i wanna try and sing one to the other.

[UndoingTheLaces]

Speaking as a musician, you are inspired by many things when you write a song. Sometimes you get a melody in your head and you lay it down on a track and it's totally original and sounds great. Other times you get a melody in your head and without realizing it, it's a melody you've heard already. This goes for lyrics as well. Now that police thing, well yeah, that's a little too close for comfort, but it's not like they took the entire song and copied it. It's more like the opening of the police song became the basis for a whole new song. I can't imagine Edge without that rift. But with a lot of these other instances, it really my just be that they had a song in their heads when they were writing a new song and without realizing it they wrote a new song that sounded very similar. There's actually a name for this but I can't remember what it was.

I remember one time, some years ago, I was at a party and my band was playing a recording of a song we had just written. We were really proud of it and could not wait to play it out. Well, just as it started a drunk girl walked into the room, yelled "I know this one" and started singing the words and melody of "Vacation" by the GoGo's. And she sang the entire song. We were mortified. Our song sounded nothing like Vacation but somehow she made the connection.

[Dreamz19]

Actually, Edge sounds more like this Police song, released two years after the song you posted. (As pointed out above my Michele)

Someone posted this months back and I was :shocked: at how similar it sounded to EO17. I had never heard that song before, but I absolutely love it now. In fact, I think I prefer it over EO17 because of the reggae feel to it. There was a demo if EO17 that had a reggae vibe to it as well that I liked, but I think The Police did it better. EO17 is still a very good song though.

As for the Richard Ashcroft songs, I hear SYW in C'mon People a little bit. However, the Illume and New York comparsion is right on without question.

[Phoenix]

Someone posted this months back and I was :shocked: at how similar it sounded to EO17. I had never heard that song before, but I absolutely love it now. In fact, I think I prefer it over EO17 because of the reggae feel to it. There was a demo if EO17 that had a reggae vibe to it as well that I liked, but I think The Police did it better. EO17 is still a very good song though.

As for the Richard Ashcroft songs, I hear SYW in C'mon People a little bit. However, the Illume and New York comparsion is right on without question.

Well, if u like reggae, (wich i do, but not at the expense of getting to hear songs i like the way i like them) Hopefully you caught the police reunion tour. My two best friends (who did love the police)went, and said it was rediculous because EVERY SINGLE SONG got "the REGGE TREATEMENT". they were so dissapointed, they said it was like RROOOXAaaaaaNNNE! MON! (bongos) YOU DONT GOTTA TURN ON THE REeeeeEEAAAD LIIIGGGHHT MON (moore bongos):rolleyes::laugh:

(JA-MIN!)Dont stand so(JA-MIN!)Dont stand so ~shot the sherrif~:rolleyes:

[Dreamz19]

I wouldn't say I'm a huge reggae fan or anything. I just really like the reggae sound on Bring On the Night and one of the demos of EO17. Unless it was a reggae concert, I don't think I would have been happy with the reunion tour either. Sounds like they went wayyy overboard. :laugh:

[SmileAtYou]

Hopefully you caught the police reunion tour.

I caught the Police show at Bonnaroo last summer. It was pretty rockin'... I did enjoy the reggae sound, but when Sting started yodeling I had to leave.

:laugh:

[Phoenix]

I caught the Police show at Bonnaroo last summer. It was pretty rockin'... I did enjoy the reggae sound, but when Sting started yodeling I had to leave.

:laugh:

~Bahaha:laugh: Exacally. Im all for artist "mixing it up abit", but then theres also the WTF!>? moments that im totally surprized by.
OH AND HI:wavey: welcome. Ur pic in ur avatar is one of my favorite pics of stevie ever.

[Livia]

"Boy With a Coin" by Iron and Wine sounds very "Illume"-ish to me.

http://www.myspace.com/ironandwine

[Peestie]

I've been listening to Iron and Wine all day! The Shepherd's Dog is a great album that I've only just got. 'Boy With a Coin' is a highlight for me. I sort of get an 'Illume'-ish feel from it, but I don't hear too much musically. There is something about the drums that does remind me a bit of it now that I listen more. And about the some of the backing guitars and noises that recall Lindsey's vari-speed guitars on 'Illume'

[LiamMcConville]

Do you think Lindsey was inspired by Kate Bush's song Running Up That Hill when he was writing the music for Big Love? The drum beat and backround vocals are similar:

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[ricohv]

Can anyone repost the alternate Illume? Its original link has expired. Thanks, Ricoh

[MrBTH]

Wow, there are definite similarities between Illume & New York - I hate to say it because I DETEST Richard Ashcroft with a passion... perhaps the most arrogant performer on the music scene over the past ten years or so...
I would say though that if FM were "influenced" by this track then thay definitely used it as a jumping off point towards something much much stronger than Ashcroft's track... I still love Illume!

[OutsideTheRain]

Came across this old thread and I have a theory to why this has happened with Stevie’s music a few times . Think of Stand Back - she admitted to writing the melody to Little Red Corvette, Edge of Seventeen- a Police song, Bombay Sapphires - Sting, and then Illume and Say You Will- Richard Ashcroft. I think whoever is producing her demos is where this comes from. Whether or not she is instructing her demo producer to “make it sound like _______” or if she is actually completely unaware is the open question. In the case of the Say You Will songs- she brought in finished demos and Lindsey tried to produce them close to her demos.

[Tusky]

Came across this old thread and I have a theory to why this has happened with Stevie’s music a few times . Think of Stand Back - she admitted to writing the melody to Little Red Corvette, Edge of Seventeen- a Police song, Bombay Sapphires - Sting, and then Illume and Say You Will- Richard Ashcroft. I think whoever is producing her demos is where this comes from. Whether or not she is instructing her demo producer to “make it sound like _______” or if she is actually completely unaware is the open question. In the case of the Say You Will songs- she brought in finished demos and Lindsey tried to produce them close to her demos.

This is the Eo17 demo that really sounds like the Police song

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=2887568341359617