Mick's book was pretty accurate

[Villavic]

According to John McVie

I think Mick's book was pretty accurate. As far as it went! And as for "talk of friction in the band". In this band? We've just floated through the years on a cloud of sweet contentment!

All the Best! John

I KNEW IT !!!!

[Jyqm]

According to John McVie

I think Mick's book was pretty accurate. As far as it went! And as for "talk of friction in the band". In this band? We've just floated through the years on a cloud of sweet contentment!

All the Best! John

I KNEW IT !!!!

Note the somewhat tongue-in-cheek "As far as it went!" after that sentence, though.

[SteveMacD]

I still think it was accurate. There was very little in that book that hadn't already come out in the music rags over the years. I think some of the stories were exaggerated, but, it's not like he's the only member of Fleetwood Mac to exaggerate a story. Add to it drugs and emotions, and the stories might not be 100% accruate. Still, having spent many hours in the past reading articles on the band, I can honestly say that most of what was published wasn't news.

As for the affair with Stevie, is there anybody who hadn't figured that one out anyway? He just confirmed what most of us had suspected for years.

[HomerMcvie]

As for the affair with Stevie, is there anybody who hadn't figured that one out anyway? He just confirmed what most of us had suspected for years.
Hell, what musician in SoCal didn't she sleep with?
She got around more than a Merry-go-round(and I'm not ruling that possibility out either!).:wavey:

[macfan 57]

John McVie and Bob Welch have both said the book is accurate. I'm sure there's alot that Mick left out, but I find the book very credible. It's a great read. I'm glad he wrote it.

[Boots]

Hell, what musician in SoCal didn't she sleep with?
She got around more than a Merry-go-round(and I'm not ruling that possibility out either!).:wavey:

:lol: I absolutely adore Stevie, but she really did get around. She slept with a portion of Fleetwood Mac, The Eagles, and possible Tom Petty's Heartbreakers. I heard years ago that she was responsible for a divorce - possibly Petty's? Not sure. I remember it was a quote from someone who sounded pretty bitter.

As for La Nicks - she was so pretty and famous, that it seemed she was in a veritable Candy Store when it came to men. They must have been available to her - like she had a "man tree" - where men just fell from the trees, and she could pick one up and take him home. Oh, well...rock on, baby!!! Those were the days. Who didn't sleep with whom back then? This was pre-AIDS and pre-rehab in our culture. As for Stevie - seems like she's had her fill, and keeps more to herself these days.

[DavidMn]

John McVie and Bob Welch have both said the book is accurate. I'm sure there's alot that Mick left out, but I find the book very credible. It's a great read. I'm glad he wrote it.I agree. I thouroughly enjoyed it!:thumbsup:

[ThePenguin]

As for the affair with Stevie, is there anybody who hadn't figured that one out anyway? He just confirmed what most of us had suspected for years.

John did say-"Mick and Stevie? I never knew. Never. Didn't have a clue. Not an inkling. And I still don't want to know. "

So maybe at the time they did manage to keep it under wraps..?

I actually remember being sort of surprised by that when I read Mick's book. I guess I didn't think Mick would be Stevie's type.
:laugh:
-Lis

[DavidMn]

John did say-"Mick and Stevie? I never knew. Never. Didn't have a clue. Not an inkling. And I still don't want to know. "

So maybe at the time they did manage to keep it under wraps..?

I actually remember being sort of surpised by that when I read Mick's book. I guess I didn't think Mick would be Stevie's type.
:laugh:
-LisWell, that was the biggest "Bombshell" in the book wasnt it?

[David]

I still think it was accurate. There was very little in that book that hadn't already come out in the music rags over the years. I think some of the stories were exaggerated, but, it's not like he's the only member of Fleetwood Mac to exaggerate a story. Add to it drugs and emotions, and the stories might not be 100% accruate. Still, having spent many hours in the past reading articles on the band, I can honestly say that most of what was published wasn't news.A lot of the little ancedotes about the tours (for example) was being spoken of for the first time in the book. But it was bizarre to be reading along & repeatedly encountering the same speechways & phrases that one had encountered twenty years earlier in Hit Parader or Circus or Rolling Stone. I'm not sure just what Stephen Davis was up to, but I don't think he put much genuine effort into his scripting.
As for the affair with Stevie, is there anybody who hadn't figured that one out anyway? He just confirmed what most of us had suspected for years.Apparently, most had not suspected it. They've repeatedly talked about how they didn't know Mick & Stevie were hooked up until they read about it in Mick's book. It was not widespread knowledge (although by 1990 or so, Stevie had talked to the press so much about how Mick was her knight in shining armor, that some fans probably made some assumptions on their own). However, a rock mag had very slyly hinted at it a long time ago -- back in 1980 or even 1979. It ran a photo of Mick & Stevie together -- which is no big deal in & of itself -- but the caption said something about the two of them having been together. It's the only instance of revealing that particular fact I can remember in the old days. Or at least it's the only one I saw (but I scanned those magazines religiously back then for Fleetwood Mac mentions). The problem was that because it was just a single little blurb, I chalked it up to a factual error.

[jbrownsjr]

I thought the book was great. Everything that was really "big" in the book has been admitted by one or the other members....

[DavidMn]

I thought the book was great. Everything that was really "big" in the book has been admitted by one or the other members....And I never got the impression reading it either that it was any kind of "tell all" like some celebrities write.

[jbrownsjr]

And I never got the impression reading it either that it was any kind of "tell all" like some celebrities write.

yeah me neither... i read it so fast.. i was hungry for FM at that time...

between Mirage and TAngo seemed like a lifetime

[JazmenFlowers]

yeah me neither... i read it so fast.. i was hungry for FM at that time...
me too. I remember scouring all the libraries in my town to find it and I ended up finding it at the Eudora Welty library in the basement. I was so excited and read it so fast I barely remember anything. :laugh:

[Neal]

I actually remember being sort of surprised by that when I read Mick's book. I guess I didn't think Mick would be Stevie's type.
:laugh:
-Lis

Mick Fleetwood, Jimmy Iovine, Joe Walsh, Rupert Hine...

I really don't think Stevie has a type... :cool:

[chiliD]

I really don't think Stevie has a type... :cool:

Yes she does...male, breathing, functioning.:shocked: :lol:

[Neal]

Yes she does...male, breathing, functioning.:shocked: :lol:

Well if you wanna get technical... :woohoo: ;)

[Ghost_Tracker]

John did say-"Mick and Stevie? I never knew. Never. Didn't have a clue. Not an inkling."

:rolleyes:





I actually remember being sort of surprised by that when I read Mick's book. I guess I didn't think Mick would be Stevie's type.
:laugh:
-Lis

I honestly, totally disagree here - if you REALLY sit down and think about it, you may realize that they're actually stunningly similar.
She wasn't kidding - not in the teensiest bit -

They come from different worlds.
They are the same.

[PsychCat]

I would say the thing that got my attention most was the mention of Lindsey hitting Stevie. I've never read anymore about that or couldn't really get an idea of a history (if any) behind it.

Granted, the fact that Stevie and Lindsey get on each other's nerves is no big secret! :shocked:

[SteveMacD]

I would say the thing that got my attention most was the mention of Lindsey hitting Stevie. I've never read anymore about that or couldn't really get an idea of a history (if any) behind it.

Granted, the fact that Stevie and Lindsey get on each other's nerves is no big secret! :shocked:
Well, Lindsey said it didn't happen and that Stevie even apologized to him after the book came out.

Stevie has said of that night that she thought Lindsey was going to kill her, and that Lindsey probably thought he was going to kill her, and that if he did and the band didn't kill him first, her family would.

Mick, at the time he was writing the book, was pretty coked up and probably still upset with Lindsey for leaving the band. From how I was reading it, the incident probably happened at night, and Mick might not have known what he actually saw.

John has joked that when he told Lindsey he should probably leave now, he meant Christine's house, not the band.

In other words, Lindsey probably didn't actually hit Stevie, but, make no mistake, it wasn't a pretty sceene. It was loud, it was vocal, and I think both Stevie and Lindsey let things get out of hand. Both were too emotional for very different reasons. Embellished? Probably. 100% accurate? Probably not. Close enough to get the idea? Yes.

[jbrownsjr]

me too. I remember scouring all the libraries in my town to find it and I ended up finding it at the Eudora Welty library in the basement. I was so excited and read it so fast I barely remember anything. :laugh:

same here i had to read it twice...

[jbrownsjr]

Well, Lindsey said it didn't happen and that Stevie even apologized to him after the book came out.

Stevie has said of that night that she thought Lindsey was going to kill her, and that Lindsey probably thought he was going to kill her, and that if he did and the band didn't kill him first, her family would.

Mick, at the time he was writing the book, was pretty coked up and probably still upset with Lindsey for leaving the band. From how I was reading it, the incident probably happened at night, and Mick might not have known what he actually saw.

John has joked that when he told Lindsey he should probably leave now, he meant Christine's house, not the band.

In other words, Lindsey probably didn't actually hit Stevie, but, make no mistake, it wasn't a pretty sceene. It was loud, it was vocal, and I think both Stevie and Lindsey let things get out of hand. Both were too emotional for very different reasons. Embellished? Probably. 100% accurate? Probably not. Close enough to get the idea? Yes.


and then again... maybe he didn't undertold the story... unlikely but u never know....

[HomerMcvie]

same here i had to read it twice...
I re-read it every winter. Honestly, I love all the pre-75 stuff the most.

[Boots]

Stevie has said of that night that she thought Lindsey was going to kill her, and that Lindsey probably thought he was going to kill her, and that if he did and the band didn't kill him first, her family would.




Ahhhh...just another day in the Buckingham Nicks relationship. What would life be if these two weren't at each other once in a while? I agree with note upthread, because I've always believed that night was a very bad scene, but slightly embellished by Mick.

[catinthedark]

i also remember being beside myself with excitement when the book first came out. i read it, and believed it. i honestly can't remember if i had already heard about mick and stevie or not. i think i had heard rumours of it, but never knew it was true. i remember being surprised, but more "shocked" because he was cheating on his wife with her, and they all knew each other. but i was/am also the biggest romantic in the world, and i could see how and why they fell for each other. i still can. stevie DOES have a type - she falls for people who are creative, people she admires - be they musicians or producers. she appears to fall for people no matter what they look like - she is not shallow in that way - and she really could be! someone as beautiful and bewitching as her had her pick of men. she could have picked only the hotties - she didn't. she went for depth.

whether the book is 100% accurate... well, i think the basic stories are. i think the unfolding of events, the players, etc. are basically true. i think some memories have been embellished - and maybe not always intentionally. has it ever happened to you that you retell a story and add a little detail for excitement, and then when you retell it again, you repeat that detail, and eventually it becomes such a part of the story that you can't even remember whether it really happened that way at all? add a mountain of drugs to that... and well, there you go.

[Boots]

I've always wondered why there are fans who shutter at that notion of Stevie being with Mick, as if he were an orgre or something, and being much more happier with the vision of Stevie and Lindsey? Perhaps the B&N combo was much more physically and spiritually appealing to the legion of fans? They were a "package deal", and they both knew each other as teens, and basically loved and starved for each other - each chasing a shared dream. Whereas the whole Mick and Stevie thing was more like a beauty and the beast type of situation - coupled with the fact that he was married seems to activate the "yuck" reflex in some fans. I guess for me, in a way - it just seemed like a betrayal. yes, B&N were indeed long broken up by the time Fleetwood became her lover, but there is something incestual about it...like he was her adopted big brother...and they went a did the naughty. It seemed to invade a code of ethics. But, hey...if Lindsey didnt care, then why should we? (but did he care, and he's just not saying?)

I guess I root for the Buckingham/Nicks pairing - but I guess it was inevitable that Mick and Stevie would get it on. However, I tend to view Mick as being a bit careless with his affection for women. First there was Jenny - then Sara - then Stevie. I know it takes two, but he's a very big part of that "2".

Does anyone remember in his book - when he talks about a woman with a sexy voice, who somehow got thru the phone to him, calling for tickets, and totally scammed him? She befriended him. He would put her name on the VIP ticket list, yet only her friends would show up. He was addicted to her phone calls. She'd tell him she was some model and worked in films. They talked on the phone all the time, and she'd send pictures of "supposedly" herself. He was so besotted with her that he almost destroyed his relationship with his wife - he even told her he was in love with someone else. I don't know if it was the drugs or the crazyness of the time, but he was a soft touch for falling in love. After some investigation, Mick found out that she was an overweight, plain Jane with a regular, unimpressive job that was just a bit nuts. This doesn't apply to why he was with Stevie - it just kind of shows that he allowed himself to get obsessed with women.

He and Stevie were something else. But it was just a fling. Stevie even said it was like a dream...such a short time of romance, ending before their personalities could mingle too deeply and resentment reared it's head.

There is only so much we fans will ever know about these things. Even with the S&L deal. They've told us many things...but there are even more things that are private between them -- and that part is what they probably keep to themselves.

[JazmenFlowers]

Yes she does...male, breathing, functioning.:shocked: :lol:
are there any other criteria? :shocked:


:laugh:

[Kelly]

:rolleyes:





I honestly, totally disagree here - if you REALLY sit down and think about it, you may realize that they're actually stunningly similar.
She wasn't kidding - not in the teensiest bit -

They come from different worlds.
They are the same.


She wasn't kidding when she wrote those lines, they do come from different worlds but are the same. The misunderstood child is not Mick, IMO. Who acts like a spoiled brat when he doesn't get his way? Mick did not want her to change. A sentiment that flowed through alot of her songs back then was changing..and how it affected a specific relationship. (Landslide..etc)

To stay on topic, the book was a interesting one time read. Most of it was probably accurate to a degree but embellished. Lindsey said some of it was inaccurate. Stevie apologized to him for Mick's comments about their fight...if LB did something so awful that night, she would not be the one apologizing. They both probably got worked up, screamed, yelled, wanted to hit each other but Linds does not strike me as the type of guy who would ever intentionally physically hurt Stevie. Hell, he knows how to hurt her, by a few carefully chosen words. They both know how to push each others buttons. That seems more his style..to put her down or say something hurtful...at least back then. Nowadays I think he is much different. Sweeter, kinder, calmer, more understanding. Understanding a person makes it much easier to deal with their problems.

[ThePenguin]

To stay on topic, the book was a interesting one time read. Most of it was probably accurate to a degree but embellished. Lindsey said some of it was inaccurate. Stevie apologized to him for Mick's comments about their fight...if LB did something so awful that night, she would not be the one apologizing. They both probably got worked up, screamed, yelled, wanted to hit each other but Linds does not strike me as the type of guy who would ever intentionally physically hurt Stevie. .

Just to play devil's advocate, Stevie may have apologized mainly for the embarrassment the book caused LB-- for the fact that it 'got out'. John also said things got 'physically ugly', and Chris actually 'wasn't sure if she should say' what happened at all! So although Mick's account may have been exaggerated a bit, i still think that incident was a particularly unpleasant one where tempers really got out of control.

-Lis

[Boots]

Just to play devil's advocate, Stevie may have apologized mainly for the embarrassment the book caused LB-- for the fact that it 'got out'. John also said things got 'physically ugly', and Chris actually 'wasn't sure if she should say' what happened at all! So although Mick's account may have been exaggerated a bit, i still think that incident was a particularly unpleasant one where tempers really got out of control.

-Lis


I definitely got that impression too. I also don't think that Lindsey is the type to physically hurt Stevie - perhaps with looks, gestures, words and crappy treatment - but not with fists.

However, Stevie had mentioned in an interview that the fight basically started when she lunged at him . It seems she was mega pissed that he wanted to abandon plans to tour for "Tango in the Night". Apparently, she had thought of leaving FM herself, but the guilt was so overwhelming that she stayed. When Lindsey wanted out - she was so angry he would do what she was always too guilt-ridden to do, that she went after him and basically stirred up a hornet's nest with LB. He chased her throughout Chris' house until they were at the driveway...and I think it culminated into something ugly...what that was - I'm not sure. John said it got ugly. It sounded like he tried to choke her, or perhaps he rough-handled her. Mick said that LB screamed "get that schizophrenic off me"...or something like that....Stevie warned him her family would kill him if he did anything to her....so basically...any major injury or abusive contact was imminent at the time, but Stevie probably made that threat before his temper got the better of him. And then John asked him to leave the house...not the band...the house.

In hindsight - perhaps it's better he left the band...he needed to get his life together.

I can find the interview online if anyone is interested. I found it on youtube.com.

[JazmenFlowers]

It sounded like he tried to choke her, or perhaps he rough-handled her
can you just imagine this? no matter what she said or how she acted...there is never any excuse for doing this to someone. the mental image of Lindsey with his hands around her throat makes me ill.

on another note, this really makes me appreciate the fact that they are all still alive.

[Boots]

can you just imagine this? no matter what she said or how she acted...there is never any excuse for doing this to someone. the mental image of Lindsey with his hands around her throat makes me ill.

on another note, this really makes me appreciate the fact that they are all still alive.

Absolutely, Jaz. Not condoning what happened due to Stevie's anger, just mentioning the story I heard. Actually - who knows what happened?

[David]

can you just imagine this? no matter what she said or how she acted...there is never any excuse for doing this to someone. the mental image of Lindsey with his hands around her throat makes me ill.
Think of it like a WWF Raw Smackdown match!! :laugh: :thumbsup: :shocked: :o

[JazmenFlowers]

Think of it like a WWF Raw Smackdown match!! :laugh: :thumbsup: :shocked: :o
celebrity deathmatch.

though I think Stevie could take Lindsey's candyass :wavey:

[DavidMn]

NO matter what, there's no excuse to treat a lady like that.

[HomerMcvie]

A "lady" doesn't get around THAT much!:p :lol: :woohoo: :wavey:

[JazmenFlowers]

A "lady" doesn't get around THAT much!:p :lol: :woohoo: :wavey:
:lol:

sorry Stevie, that was funny

[DavidMn]

A "lady" doesn't get around THAT much!:p :lol: :woohoo: :wavey:Touche. Good one Homer.:lol:

[cliffdweller]

They both probably got worked up, screamed, yelled, wanted to hit each other but Linds does not strike me as the type of guy who would ever intentionally physically hurt Stevie.


Sorry if this has already been posted, but what about the onstage kick incident on the Rumours (or was it Tusk?) tour? Given that, I don't think inflicting bodily harm was beneath Lindsey. I mean, I'm sure he didn't hurt Stevie, but he acted like an immature, spoiled infant that night and DID physically lash out :shrug:.

[jbrownsjr]

I re-read it every winter. Honestly, I love all the pre-75 stuff the most.

noooooooooooooooooooooo not u :woohoo:

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

Sorry if this has already been posted, but what about the onstage kick incident on the Rumours (or was it Tusk?) tour? Given that, I don't think inflicting bodily harm was beneath Lindsey. I mean, I'm sure he didn't hurt Stevie, but he acted like an immature, spoiled infant that night and DID physically lash out :shrug:.
I agree...I mean how can anyone really tell if someone is capable of physically hurting another human being? I look at my 62 year old father now and no-one would think he used to beat my mother.

[elie]

I found this thread very interesting since I haven't read the book (it is not available here:( ) and I didn't know any details about how rough things got between Stevie and Lindsey and why exactly.
My question is: does anyone know why things turned out so ugly between them in the first place? I have read older interviews by Stevie saying that he was very unpleasant and sarcastic when she was around, but that's understandable up to a certain point since they were ex-lovers etc, but why all the yelling and kicking and suffocating?? I mean if that happened around the Tango in the Night era, that's a whole decade after they separated..Is there an explanation as to why all the hate and tension (maybe in the book?) I realise the 80's were not a very high point in Stevie's life (with all the drugs and stuff), but still...
I would be obliged if someone could explain to me a bit :) (I don't mean to be gossiping though, I am really not very well informed on their personal stuff).
Also, another one (since I mentioned Stevie's drugs)- I read somewhere that everyone was deeply involved in various addictions and maybe Lindsey was the one who didn't face such problems. Is that true? He always seems to be the "sober" one, but it is a bit strange given the legendary addictions within the band members.
Thanks in advance for any replies.

[David]

My question is: does anyone know why things turned out so ugly between them in the first place? I have read older interviews by Stevie saying that he was very unpleasant and sarcastic when she was around, but that's understandable up to a certain point since they were ex-lovers etc, but why all the yelling and kicking and suffocating?? I mean if that happened around the Tango in the Night era, that's a whole decade after they separated..Is there an explanation as to why all the hate and tension (maybe in the book?) I realise the 80's were not a very high point in Stevie's life (with all the drugs and stuff), but still...I think it's both their personalities. They're both brittle, high-strung & extremely self-centered. They're both Pollyannas, too. Yet they're both so different: she likes parties & people & commotion; he doesn't. He likes zeroing in on musical, formalistic & technical matters & spending long periods of time finding solutions; she doesn't. She likes courting the press, or at least creating cordial relationships with them; he doesn't. I'm not sure what rubs each of them the wrong way with the other -- their differences or their similarities. It's probably a combination of both. But the fact remains that they both obviously rub -- & have always rubbed -- each other the wrong way. As Stevie has said about him, "He finds me annoying." Vice versa, too.
Also, another one (since I mentioned Stevie's drugs) I read somewhere that everyone was deeply involved in various addictions and maybe Lindsey was the one who didn't face such problems. Is that true? He always seems to be the "sober" one, but it is a bit strange given the legendary addictions within the band members.He probably wasn't quite so strung out as she & Mick & John were at their worst, but he couldn't have been exactly a model of sobriety. The tiresomeness of being on the road month after month in 1979-1980 & having to put up with the machinery & the dog-&-pony show & the silly press & playing the same songs every night obviously all got to him (as it got to the others, too) & he, according to Mick, downed a whole bottle of Scotch, got ****faced & did stuff onstage that you would expect drunk people to do. (Why fans act surprised about it & turn the whole thing into a Grand Narrative passion play really ... surprises me.)

(Don't for a minute underestimate what performing the same set for so many months can do to someone who isn't temperamentally inclined to go with the flow -- think back to a time you performed onstage in a play or something. Now imagine doing that same thing for an entire month, almost nightly. I think you can begin to see just how nutso it can make you -- especially, as I say, if your temperament TO BEGIN WITH is more inclined to solitude & new activity. As Mick very accurately said in his book about the New Zealand incident, "Lindsey snapped ... like a string that had been tuned too tightly.")