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Ghost_Tracker
02-24-2006, 05:36 PM
HEY, guys -

There's something I'm wondering about -
What was the big deal over the song "Silver Springs," between Stevie and Mick? I read yesterday a quote from Stevie - she had apparently wanted to do Silver Springs on one of her early solo tours (maybe Bella Donna or Wild Heart), and she had someone contact Mick, and apparently he said something like, "Over my dead body will she be getting that song from me."
And that, of course, was a source of uhm, err, tension between them.
The thing I really don't understand is -
Wasn't Stevie doing "Dreams" on stage during her solo tours? At least by 1986, 1987 or so? ( for example "Live at Red Rocks." )
So if she could do "Dreams," why not "Silver Springs?"
I seem to remember that Mick had also said something to Stevie, during their big fight in the parking lot when he told her that the song was being taken off of "Rumours," along the lines of, "It's for obvious, multiple reasons."
What's the big deal with Silver Springs, compared to other songs Stevie wrote for Fleetwood Mac???
danax6
02-24-2006, 05:49 PM
Mick simply wanted Silver Springs to be used for Fleetwood Mac purposes, not Stevie Nicks purposes. Milk that cash cow.
johndoe
02-24-2006, 05:52 PM
Well, it was originally written as her "Go Your Own Way." All of the money made from it was going to go to her mother (Thats why the rights of it are in possesion of "Barbra Nicks Music"). So this song meant a lot to Stevie. I've heard that this happened too, and it came to a point that in concert, when she sang "Take your Silver Spoons and dig you grave," she changed it to "Take Your Silver Springs and dig your grave," whilst looking at Mick. I think she does at least the glare thing on the Dance DVD.

But I think the "Over my dead body will she be getting that song from me" quote was made up, because I don't think Mick would have said that.
chiliD
02-24-2006, 06:11 PM
What was the big deal over the song "Silver Springs," between Stevie and Mick? I read yesterday a quote from Stevie - she had apparently wanted to do Silver Springs on one of her early solo tours

No. It was that Stevie wanted to include "Silver Springs" on her Timespace album, but Mick wouldn't give her the rights to use it. Apparently, because it was a Fleetwood Mac performance, Mick didn't want Stevie using a Fleetwood Mac recording on her solo album. Why Stevie didn't just go ahead and record a new version of the song, I don't know.
David
02-24-2006, 06:11 PM
What was the big deal over the song "Silver Springs," between Stevie and Mick? I read yesterday a quote from Stevie - she had apparently wanted to do Silver Springs on one of her early solo tours (maybe Bella Donna or Wild Heart), and she had someone contact Mick, and apparently he said something like, "Over my dead body will she be getting that song from me."
And that, of course, was a source of uhm, err, tension between them.
The thing I really don't understand is -
Wasn't Stevie doing "Dreams" on stage during her solo tours? At least by 1986, 1987 or so? ( for example "Live at Red Rocks." )
So if she could do "Dreams," why not "Silver Springs?"This fight between Stevie & Mick took place in 1991, not during any of her early solo tours. I posted way back about the whole thing on the Ledge. You'd have to search electronically since I don't have much luck with that feature.
chiliD
02-24-2006, 06:12 PM
This fight between Stevie & Mick took place in 1991, not during any of her early solo tours. I posted way back about the whole thing on the Ledge. You'd have to search electronically since I don't have much luck with that feature.

Beat you to it. :thumbsup: :lol:
David
02-24-2006, 06:20 PM
Beat you to it. :thumbsup: :lol:You did! You always beat me to it! They killed Kenny, those bastards!
chiliD
02-24-2006, 06:23 PM
You did! You always beat me to it! They killed Kenny, those bastards!


Indeed! Now for Kenny Blankenship's "Most Painful Elimination OF THE DAY!!!"
David
02-24-2006, 06:24 PM
Indeed! Now for Kenny Blankenship's "Most Painful Elimination OF THE DAY!!!"FIBER, Steve ... I keep tellin ya ... more FIBER!!
chiliD
02-24-2006, 06:25 PM
FIBER, Steve ... I keep tellin ya ... more FIBER!!

David, you need to watch MXC on the Spike channel on Thursday nights. You'll do two or three spew takes per 1/2 hr episode, I swear.
David
02-24-2006, 06:27 PM
David, you need to watch MXC on the Spike channel on Thursday nights. You'll do two or three spew takes per 1/2 hr episode, I swear.
Spike Channel, okay I'll look that up. I'm on Time Warner Digital. Is it on their lineup?

I don't know what's ordinary for other ledgies, but I have three BMs in the morning & another two in the afternoon & evening, daily. But I ingest large amounts of fresh fruit & vegetable, so my fiber content is high.
SteveMacD
02-24-2006, 11:30 PM
It's not that Mick wouldn't give her the rights, it's more like he couldn't. He had already signed a contract with the record company. What I find interesting is that Stevie never really seemed all that interested in the song. It's not like she ever did it on solo tours or even the "Tango" or BTM tours. It's like it became important to her all of the sudden.
HomerMcvie
02-24-2006, 11:30 PM
Spike Channel, okay I'll look that up. I'm on Time Warner Digital. Is it on their lineup?

I don't know what's ordinary for other ledgies, but I have three BMs in the morning & another two in the afternoon & evening, daily. But I ingest large amounts of fresh fruit & vegetable, so my fiber content is high.
TOO MUCH FREAKIN' INFORMATION!!!!!!!
Key of B- now everybody......
"I don't wanna know the reason why David poops......."
:shocked:
David
02-24-2006, 11:48 PM
It's not that Mick wouldn't give her the rights, it's more like he couldn't. He had already signed a contract with the record company. What I find interesting is that Stevie never really seemed all that interested in the song. It's not like she ever did it on solo tours or even the "Tango" or BTM tours. It's like it became important to her all of the sudden.Stevie's interest in the track at that point (1991) was that she wanted to put it on "Timespace" because it belonged to her mom, & she wanted her mom to have some of the profit.

"What did I ever do to him that he would do this to me and my mother?" --Stevie Nicks, Datebook 8-11-91

"Over my dead body will I ever give that song back." --Mick Fleetwood, BBC Radio One 9-91
jbrownsjr
02-25-2006, 12:21 AM
Spike Channel, okay I'll look that up. I'm on Time Warner Digital. Is it on their lineup?

I don't know what's ordinary for other ledgies, but I have three BMs in the morning & another two in the afternoon & evening, daily. But I ingest large amounts of fresh fruit & vegetable, so my fiber content is high.


California peaches are so good they move me.
Mageboy25
02-25-2006, 05:31 AM
If Silver Springs was so special to Stevie in 77, why the fuuck did she just not put it on Tusk. Its not like they didn't have anyroom for it then.

In all I like how it all came down, the song made the 97 thing very special.
johndoe
02-25-2006, 09:56 AM
If Silver Springs was so special to Stevie in 77, why the fuuck did she just not put it on Tusk. Its not like they didn't have anyroom for it then.


Most likely because that album was the anti-runours? And they didn't want a rumours song on it? And it also could have been that Tusk was Linsdey's album, and I doubt he'd want that song on there.
David
02-25-2006, 10:47 AM
If Silver Springs was so special to Stevie in 77, why the fuuck did she just not put it on Tusk.Because it had already been released (as the B side of the GYOW 45).
PenguinHead
02-25-2006, 01:53 PM
If Silver Springs was so special to Stevie in 77, why the fuuck did she just not put it on Tusk. Its not like they didn't have anyroom for it then.

In all I like how it all came down, the song made the 97 thing very special.

I don't think they begin album with the mindset, "hey, what have we already recorded that we slap onto a new album?" Probably with demos though...ideas that they left in the can. Silver Springs was already officially released --as a b-side to Go Your Own Way. I cherished my import of that single for so long, before it was eventually released on CD.
Sahara
02-25-2006, 02:30 PM
Didn't the 1991 thing lead to Stevie saying she'd never record with Mick again?

I think everyone would agree that SS completely stole the show when it came to The Dance.

And I've never heard of the silver spoon/springs reference. Ooh. Interesting. :nod:
SteveMacD
02-25-2006, 06:59 PM
I think everyone would agree that SS completely stole the show when it came to The Dance.
Actually, I thought the USC Trojan Marching Band stole the show on "The Dance."
Mageboy25
02-26-2006, 03:12 AM
I agreee!!!!! I can barely watch the Dance DVD ever bc of the boring lifeless audience!
johndoe
02-26-2006, 09:57 AM
Dude, they told the audience to be boring. I think they wanted it to be more resereved.
catinthedark
02-26-2006, 10:39 AM
I agreee!!!!! I can barely watch the Dance DVD ever bc of the boring lifeless audience!

so glad someone's brought that up. i feel the same way about live in boston.
David
02-26-2006, 11:47 AM
Actually, I thought the USC Trojan Marching Band stole the show on "The Dance."Are you that fascinated by bad brass arrangements of pop songs?
RavenOfRhiannon
02-26-2006, 05:53 PM
When Stevie did a show in LA in 1991, I think at the Roxy, Jim Ladd interviewed her before the show and they talked about Silver Springs. Ladd talked about it being kicked off Rumours and inquired if it would ever be seen on an album, to which Stevie replied 'I am rerecording it for the next album.' The audience went WILD.
With hindsight, it is a good thing she didn't rerecord it for Street Angel, it would not have been recognizable, and it would have stolen the thunder of the Dance version.
Sahara
02-26-2006, 06:23 PM
Dude, they told the audience to be boring. I think they wanted it to be more resereved.

Except for that random guy in the blue towards the back.

Random guy: *stands up, arms outspread, cheering like a mad man .... takes a quick look round ... crap, I'm the only one standing in the whole place .... continues to clap fairly normally before sitting down*


Cracks me up every time.:lol:
SteveMacD
02-26-2006, 06:38 PM
Are you that fascinated by bad brass arrangements of pop songs?
Not really. It was the only part of the show that was completely unexpected. I mean, how many other bands would even give half a thought to having a college marching band play in their reunion show?
1934mission
02-26-2006, 09:03 PM
By 1991 Silver Springs had become a collectors item. Stevie had mentioned it and it was played in radio interviews. It had been released as the b side of Go Your Own Way. It was later replaced by Dreams as a back to back hit 45. It was smart business wise for the song to help sell the box set. That was the first time it appeared on CD. I am glad Silver Springs had it's day in the sun. I am also glad Stevie did not rerecord it for Street Angel. I don't care for the tropical If You Were My Love as much as the upbeat Mirage version.