Christine playing guitar on The Ledge

[Gailh]

I just got a couple of DVDs off ebay and one of them was rare promos of FM

It has The Ledge - Rehersals with Christine playing guitar. Has anyone else seen this?

Also one of the other disks which is called Out of Time I think was at some promotional event in Japan and she was signing autographs (with her left hand) and then she said "I'm going to have to blow my nose now - don't take a picture of me blowing my nose!" :)

Some of the footage was very confusing - at one point Stevie seemed to be hugging every man she saw! :xoxo:

I haven't seen all of it yet but I think it's the Rosebud film

Very odd

Gail

[chiliD]

It has The Ledge - Rehersals with Christine playing guitar. Has anyone else seen this?

I haven't seen her playing on "The Ledge", but I saw her play on "Save Me A Place" when I saw them back in 1979


Some of the footage was very confusing - at one point Stevie seemed to be hugging every man she saw! :xoxo:

Only hugging? :lol: :laugh: :lol:

[macfan 57]

I just got a couple of DVDs off ebay and one of them was rare promos of FM

It has The Ledge - Rehersals with Christine playing guitar. Has anyone else seen this?

I have one of those Tusk rehearsals. She plays guitar on "The Ledge" & "Save Me A Place". She looks very cool doing it too.:cool:

Also one of the other disks which is called Out of Time I think was at some promotional event in Japan and she was signing autographs (with her left hand) and then she said "I'm going to have to blow my nose now - don't take a picture of me blowing my nose!" :)

Some of the footage was very confusing - at one point Stevie seemed to be hugging every man she saw! :xoxo:

I haven't seen all of it yet but I think it's the Rosebud film
No, that's not the Rosebud film. That's from that 1977 Japan documentary. I hope you have the whole thing. There are several interview segments with Chris & she is very funny & very drunk.

[jbrownsjr]

yeah she looks comfortable no matter what she plays...

[aleuzzi]

[QUOTE=macfan 57]I have one of those Tusk rehearsals. She plays guitar on "The Ledge" & "Save Me A Place". She looks very cool doing it too.:cool:


!!!!!!!!! How friggin' cool.

[Gailh]

No, that's not the Rosebud film. That's from that 1977 Japan documentary. I hope you have the whole thing. There are several interview segments with Chris & she is very funny & very drunk.

There's not too many interviews with Chris but a lot of backstage footage of not very high quality. At one point she's talking to a lady who I think is Mick's mum. The first disk starts off with them playing World Turning at an outdoor venue and the title comes up as "A film by Rosebud" but from what your're saying it doesn't sound like the Rosebud film :confused:

She does look incredibly cool playing the guitar though.

The quality of all the disks is not good but the whole thing has a slightly surreal air to it.

Gail

[macfan 57]

There's not too many interviews with Chris but a lot of backstage footage of not very high quality. At one point she's talking to a lady who I think is Mick's mum. The first disk starts off with them playing World Turning at an outdoor venue and the title comes up as "A film by Rosebud" but from what your're saying it doesn't sound like the Rosebud film :confused:

She does look incredibly cool playing the guitar though.

The quality of all the disks is not good but the whole thing has a slightly surreal air to it.

Gail

You must have a bunch of stuff spliced together, including Rosebud & some of the Japan footage. The Japan doc has 2 casual interviews with her. One of them, the interviewer asks her what it's like to be a sex symbol & she replies, "I don't know, ask Stevie Nicks":lol: :lol: She also talks a bit about her dog. Mick's mother is in the footage that I have too.

[Gailh]

You must have a bunch of stuff spliced together, including Rosebud & some of the Japan footage. The Japan doc has 2 casual interviews with her. One of them, the interviewer asks her what it's like to be a sex symbol & she replies, "I don't know, ask Stevie Nicks":lol: :lol: She also talks a bit about her dog. Mick's mother is in the footage that I have too.

Yes I think you're right I've got a bit of a mixture. It definately hasn't got the "I dunno ask Stevie Nicks" bit in it. It has got footage of her opening a present and having great difficulty doing so. It turns out to be a small mirror. She kisses the giver of the gift and then says "I really need one of these" She does sound as if she's had a couple of lemonades!

Gail

[macfan 57]

Yes I think you're right I've got a bit of a mixture. It definately hasn't got the "I dunno ask Stevie Nicks" bit in it. It has got footage of her opening a present and having great difficulty doing so. It turns out to be a small mirror. She kisses the giver of the gift and then says "I really need one of these" She does sound as if she's had a couple of lemonades!

Gail

I have 2 separate video tapes of the Japan documentary. That's on the second tape(Part 2). There's also alot of great performance footage on that particular tape. You should try to get the first tape(Part 1) sometime. That's where those 2 interviews are. There's also the bit about her dog being gay.:laugh: Very funny stuff!

[goldustsongbird]

I just got a couple of DVDs off ebay and one of them was rare promos of FM

It has The Ledge - Rehersals with Christine playing guitar. Has anyone else seen this?

Gail

Yes, it's up on youtube. I LOOOOVE seeing her with a guitar!

Gail, some of the other stuff you mentioned sounds funny. I'd love to see these!

"I'm going to have to blow my nose now - don't take a picture of me blowing my nose!"

Hmmmm, I think she meant "powdering"... :D

[goldustsongbird]

[QUOTE=macfan 57]There's also the bit about her dog being gay.QUOTE]

LMAO, what? Dog get into the habit of wearing "lezzo leather jumpsuits" or something? :lol:

[macfan 57]

[QUOTE=macfan 57]There's also the bit about her dog being gay.QUOTE]

LMAO, what? Dog get into the habit of wearing "lezzo leather jumpsuits" or something? :lol:

:lol: :lol: :lol: She mentioned that her dog & another dog(both male) liked to "have fun" with each other.:laugh:

Both of those interviews are hilarious. She was totally sloshed & said whatever thought crossed her mind. If you ever get a chance to get the Japan documentary, Part 1, get it. Those 2 very casual interviews are worth it alone. They're both about 10-15 minutes each.

[Gailh]

Yes, it's up on youtube. I LOOOOVE seeing her with a guitar!

Gail, some of the other stuff you mentioned sounds funny. I'd love to see these!



Hmmmm, I think she meant "powdering"... :D

No she does actually blow her nose - quite noisily in fact!

Gail

[ThePenguin]

:lol: :lol: :lol: She mentioned that her dog & another dog(both male) liked to "have fun" with each other.:laugh:



Yeah, weren't the two dogs brothers or something, and Mick had adopted the other one? And then she said something like they were little and didn't know better.:laugh:




Both of those interviews are hilarious. She was totally sloshed & said whatever thought crossed her mind.

I adore that interview footage, she is so funny.
Sloshed as she was, though, she still absolutely refused to get into who Songbird was about, didn't she? This was before she'd come up w/ the 'Songbird was for everybody' story. IMO she knew good and well who she'd written it for, but that song was just too personal for her to want to discuss too deeply, (esp since poor Curry was sitting next to her, knowing good and well it wasn't about him!) That little bit always makes me sort of cringe when I watch it!

-Lis

[DavidMn]

Here I thought this was going to be about Chriustine coming in here and jamming out ALA Ted Nugent.....:lol:

[macfan 57]

Yeah, weren't the two dogs brothers or something, and Mick had adopted the other one? And then she said something like they were little and didn't know better.:laugh:

Yes, that's right. I didn't catch the part about them being little & not knowing any better though.




I adore that interview footage, she is so funny.
Sloshed as she was, though, she still absolutely refused to get into who Songbird was about, didn't she? This was before she'd come up w/ the 'Songbird was for everybody' story. IMO she knew good and well who she'd written it for, but that song was just too personal for her to want to discuss too deeply, (esp since poor Curry was sitting next to her, knowing good and well it wasn't about him!) That little bit always makes me sort of cringe when I watch it!

-Lis

She refused to say who "Songbird" was about. She changed the subject when it started to get a little too personal. She also said that she was embarrassed about singing it live & that Mick, John & Lindsey had to talk her into doing it.

[goldustsongbird]

[QUOTE=goldustsongbird]

:lol: :lol: :lol: She mentioned that her dog & another dog(both male) liked to "have fun" with each other.:laugh:

Both of those interviews are hilarious. She was totally sloshed & said whatever thought crossed her mind. If you ever get a chance to get the Japan documentary, Part 1, get it. Those 2 very casual interviews are worth it alone. They're both about 10-15 minutes each.

:laugh: That is bloody hilarious! I'd love to see her completely sloshed like that. I know she was on her way during the Tusk doc (stirring her fingers in the drink and everything). That was funny to see. I wonder if anyone has the Japan doc to upload to youtube... *looks around*

[macfan 57]

[QUOTE=macfan 57]

:laugh: That is bloody hilarious! I'd love to see her completely sloshed like that. I know she was on her way during the Tusk doc (stirring her fingers in the drink and everything). That was funny to see. I wonder if anyone has the Japan doc to upload to youtube... *looks around*

If you think she was drunk on the Tusk documentary, that's nothing compared to this Japan footage.:laugh:

It might be a bit hard to upload the entire Japan footage....it's over 2 and a half hours long. Even those two Christine interview segments probably wouldn't be easy since they're close to a half hour long combined. Maybe if they could somehow be broken up.:confused: It would certainly be worth it.

[priestofnothing]

Save Me A Place w/ Chris on guitar

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-comIT3-eA

[David]

So where does Chris rate on the scale as an acoustic guitarist?

Beginner?
Advanced beginner?
Beginning intermediate?
Advanced intermediate?

My view is she's an advanced beginner (one notch lower than her piano rating).

[jbrownsjr]

Yeah give or take... that sounds about right.

[jbrownsjr]

Maybe just intermediate.....

[HomerMcvie]

My view is she's an advanced beginner (one notch lower than her piano rating).
DON'T make me drive 2000 miles, to whoop ur ass!:blob1: :blob2: :thumbsup:

[David]

DON'T make me drive 2000 miles, to whoop ur ass!:blob1: :blob2: :thumbsup:Let me put the rating into context. You'll agree with me.

Beginner: Stevie Nicks
Advanced Beginner: Christine McVie
Beginning Intermediate: Rick Wakeman
Advanced Intermediate: Cecile Ousset, Oscar Peterson
Advanced: Svjatoslav Richter, Emil Gilels, Wilhelm Kempff
Freaks: Maurizio Pollini, Glenn Gould

[HomerMcvie]

Let me put the rating into context. You'll agree with me.

Beginner: Stevie Nicks
Advanced Beginner: Christine McVie
Beginning Intermediate: Rick Wakeman
Advanced Intermediate: Cecile Ousset, Oscar Peterson
Advanced: Svjatoslav Richter, Emil Gilels, Wilhelm Kempff
Freaks: Maurizio Pollini, Glenn Gould
Surely to god, Christine is more than one step ahead of "I can plonk, plonk, plonk, any song, as long as it's in F - Nicks".
Chris' playing perfectly suited the songs, and I'm not sure that more advanced playing wouldn't have detracted from the songs. Her voice, and compositions, were equally as important(probably more) than her keyboard dexterity.

I mean, geez, thank god she wasn't the Eddie Van Halen of piano. That would've sucked(for everyone but you).:lol:

[chiliD]

I mean, geez, thank god she wasn't the Eddie Van Halen of piano. That would've sucked(for everyone but you).:lol:

That means she would've needed a hip replacement already!

I've heard that she DID drink EVH under the table a couple of times, though. :laugh:

[HomerMcvie]

That means she would've needed a hip replacement already!

I've heard that she DID drink EVH under the table a couple of times, though. :laugh:
And it's too bad she gave up the drinking. It's always been a dream of mine, to challenge her. I think I could take her!:o

[David]

Surely to god, Christine is more than one step ahead of "I can plonk, plonk, plonk, any song, as long as it's in F - Nicks".Well, if you look at my rating, you'll see that there is simply no other level at which to put poor Chris.
Chris' playing perfectly suited the songs, and I'm not sure that more advanced playing wouldn't have detracted from the songs. Her voice, and compositions, were equally as important(probably more) than her keyboard dexterity.Yes yes yes, of course I agree. But I'm not talking about style or appositeness per se. I'm talking about technique in the most general possible sense.
I mean, geez, thank god she wasn't the Eddie Van Halen of piano. That would've sucked(for everyone but you).:lol:Oh that would have sucked to me, too. I despise the technique-for-technique's-sake approach in rock & roll, which is partly why I can't stand so much of it. I find it vapid. I have no interest in Satriani or Malmsteen or any of the other facile technicians. I never got into Vito because, despite the fantastic technique that others assured me he had, his style didn't interest me.

Rock is no place for virtuosity.

[chiliD]

Rock is no place for virtuosity.

Good thing I HIDE my virtuosity, then. :D

[SteveMacD]

I have no interest in Satriani or Malmsteen or any of the other facile technicians.
That stuff bores me to tears, and honestly, I bet more folks agree, too. It's half the reason I love Keith Richards. "Start Me Up" is one of the bone easiest things to play, and almost everybody recognizes it.
I never got into Vito because, despite the fantastic technique that others assured me he had, his style didn't interest me.
The problem with Rick was that he was a session musician. He was more concerned about giving the others what they wanted rather than what he felt the song needed. Unlike Welch or Buckingham, Rick really didn't have any limitations as a player, which is great when backing an artist, but is bad when being in a band, as it takes some of the personality away from the music (and, many of the songs he had to work with were already short on personality to begin with).

Rick obviously wrote songs and could sing, but I don't think he had given much thought as to what he wanted to accomplish as a featured artist, as opposed to a supporting artist. If Mick and John got back together with Billy, Rick, and Bekka today and let them decide the direction of the band (i.e. not playing so many songs from "Fleetwood Mac" and "Rumours," instead opting for originals), I bet it would be a completely different beast than what it was from '87-95.
Rock is no place for virtuosity.
To a point, I agree. Although, I'd have to make a major exception for somebody like Clarence White (RIP) who was a virtuoso, but was literally inventive in his approach (i.e. the b-bender).

[TomBanks147]

Advanced Intermediate: Cecile Ousset, Oscar Peterson

Are you joking :eek: :eek: :eek: My dad is a huge fan of Oscar Peterson and is always listening to him. That guy is incredible on piano considering half the time hes imporvising.

My view is she's an advanced beginner (one notch lower than her piano rating).

I'd say shes no better on guitar than Stevie is on pianno. Strumming major minor chords like that is something that can be picked up very quickly. Granted I haven't seen her play anything else on guitar than those two songs but what I have seen is beginer stuff really.

[TomBanks147]

Surely to god, Christine is more than one step ahead of "I can plonk, plonk, plonk, any song, as long as it's in F - Nicks".

To be fair Stevies instrument is her Voice. She may be a lousy Piano player but as far as voices goes she's pretty much expert as far as I am concerned. She sings from her heart, her voice has a great range, and a distinctive sound. In my opinion this what makes her a brilliant musician. She doesn't need a pianno to do what she does and no one does Stevie Nicks better than Stevie Nicks.

Out of intrest I wonder who is better on guitar between Stevie and Christine.

[SteveMacD]

her voice has a great range
:lol:

STEVIE NICKS' VOICE HAS A GREAT RANGE??? Since when???

[chiliD]

:lol:

STEVIE NICKS' VOICE HAS A GREAT RANGE??? Since when???

Steve, have you not read the recent AMA report on the merits of only having a 1/3 of an octave range? :shocked:

[TomBanks147]

Stevie has a greater range than any toher member of FM has had.

[David]

Are you joking :eek: :eek: :eek: My dad is a huge fan of Oscar Peterson and is always listening to him. That guy is incredible on piano considering half the time hes imporvising. Oscar is one of my heroes. But look at the ranking: ignore the title of each level & just look at the surrounding ranks. I group Peterson with Ousset, & below Richter & Kempff. Surely anyone who knows about keyboard playing & technique wouldn't argue with that! (undoubtedly not even Oscar)

Maybe instead of labeling each level, I should have just named each one "Level 1," "Level 2," "Level 3," etc. I think it's the "intermediate" that throws people off.

[David]

Stevie has a greater range than any toher member of FM has had.In the past? Currently? What is Stevie's current range? Have you pinpointed it? My guess -- just off the cuff -- is that it's about a 10th or an 11th in the comfort-singing range. Beyond that, it's probably straining noticeably.

I would say Christine's range is at least that much, as demonstrated on her album last year.

[TomBanks147]

I would be intrested to see where you would rank Satriani, Lindsey, Vito amongst other guitarists in a list.

I'm intrested in other musican persepctives on whos better than who. Personally Satriani bores me to tears hes so predictable but his talent is undeniable

[TomBanks147]

In the past? Currently? What is Stevie's current range? Have you pinpointed it? My guess -- just off the cuff -- is that it's about a 10th or an 11th in the comfort-singing range. Beyond that, it's probably straining noticeably.

I would say Christine's range is at least that much, as demonstrated on her album last year.

I don't really know anything technical about singing so I coudn't say.

I love Stevies Voice when it strains a little. I also love christines singing but half an hour of it is enough for me im afraid. People on this forum seem to put down Stevie an awful lot especially the Chris fans. I don't really understand why.

[macfan 57]

Stevie has a greater range than any other member of FM has had.

Where's Homer? He'd have a field day with that statement.;) :D

[SteveMacD]

Where's Homer? He'd have a field day with that statement.;) :D
He's probably had a nervous breakdown, coronary, stroke, or some combination of the three after reading that!

[SteveMacD]

Stevie has a greater range than any toher member of FM has had.
I hate to break it to you, but the opposite is true. MOST of the other singers had way more range during their tenures with Fleetwood Mac than Stevie, even during her early days with the band. Peter Green, Jeremy Spencer, Danny Kirwan, Billy Burnette, Bekka Bramlett, Dave Mason, Christine, and Lindsey all had MUCH more vocal range than Stevie.

Currently, Jeremy, Christine, Bekka, Billy, and Dave Mason all have much more range than Stevie. Lindsey and Peter have little range these days, though I still think Lindsey has the edge.

What makes Stevie brilliant, more than anything else, is her uncanny ability to wrap her voice around someone else's voice.

[jbrownsjr]

dont forget

Keith Emerson
Tony Banks
Keith Jarrett
Lyle Mays
Tori Amos
Nina Simone (i miss her)
Betty Carter


and for organ Steve Winwood those feet can move

[David]

dont forget

Keith Emerson
Tony Banks
Keith Jarrett
Lyle Mays
Tori Amos
Nina Simone (i miss her)
Betty Carter


and for organ Steve Winwood those feet can moveHere is where they are all located on the ranking:

Level 1: Stevie Nicks
Level 2: Christine McVie, Tony Banks, Tori Amos, Nina Simone, Betty Carter
Level 3: Rick Wakeman, Keith Emerson, Steve Winwood
Level 4: Cecile Ousset, Oscar Peterson, Keith Jarrett
Level 5: Svjatoslav Richter, Emil Gilels, Wilhelm Kempff
Freaks: Maurizio Pollini, Glenn Gould

I don't know who Lyle Mays is.

[jbrownsjr]

Here is where they are all located on the ranking:

Level 1: Stevie Nicks
Level 2: Christine McVie, Tony Banks, Tori Amos, Nina Simone, Betty Carter
Level 3: Rick Wakeman, Keith Emerson, Steve Winwood
Level 4: Cecile Ousset, Oscar Peterson, Keith Jarrett
Level 5: Svjatoslav Richter, Emil Gilels, Wilhelm Kempff
Freaks: Maurizio Pollini, Glenn Gould

I don't know who Lyle Mays is.

he would go level 3 or 4 he's pat metheny's pianist and co-writer probably 3 because he's prolific as Christine with the solo albums.. but dynomite improv and comp'er

[jbrownsjr]

i'm asking this honestly.. does stevie even play the piano.. or just pound chords...??? i've heard her play rhiannon and it was horrible

[HomerMcvie]

her voice has a great range,
Sorry guys, I'm working a show tonight(hip-hop...somebody shoot me!!!!). I'm on my little dinner break now.

Tom, you don't know (edit edit-fear of Nazi censors) from a (edit) in the ground, when it comes to singing.:lol: Anybody who DOESN'T know anything about music can tell the Stevy has a miniscule singing range these days. Blah blah blah blah, up and down, singing the same four notes, over and over. LAME-O!
Chiffonheads tend to get all caught up in the cult of personality, and can't see her obvious limitations. Christine has three(or more) times the singing range of Old What's Her Name. Even Lindsey used to.

[ragandbone]

Sorry guys, I'm working a show tonight(hip-hop...somebody shoot me!!!!). I'm on my little dinner break now.

Tom, you don't know (edit edit-fear of Nazi censors) from a (edit) in the ground, when it comes to singing.:lol: Anybody who DOESN'T know anything about music can tell the Stevy has a miniscule singing range these days. Blah blah blah blah, up and down, singing the same four notes, over and over. LAME-O!
Chiffonheads tend to get all caught up in the cult of personality, and can't see her obvious limitations. Christine has three(or more) times the singing range of Old What's Her Name. Even Lindsey used to.

I love all three of the singers in the Rumours lineup, for very different reasons, so, (please!) think of me as having an allegiance. It isn't clear to me whether or not some of you are comparing range now, or way-back-when. I think now it would be hard to argue that Stevie has the gretest range, although in some ways, she seems to have more control than before (Steve Real & other factors) but I am not convinced that Christine surpassed Stevie in the scope of her range before. Lindsey may have. It would be nice to see some specific examples (using songs) to illustrate your impression of the range of each of the singers, in order to compare.


You know, if you feel like it.;)

[David]

I love all three of the singers in the Rumours lineup, for very different reasons, so, (please!) think of me as having an allegiance. It isn't clear to me whether or not some of you are comparing range now, or way-back-when. I think now it would be hard to argue that Stevie has the gretest range, although in some ways, she seems to have more control than before (Steve Real & other factors) but I am not convinced that Christine surpassed Stevie in the scope of her range before. Lindsey may have. It would be nice to see some specific examples (using songs) to illustrate your impression of the range of each of the singers, in order to compare.On "You Make Loving Fun," Chris sings from low F to high C, which is ... what? a 12th? (it's an octave + a perfect 5th) That's pretty dang good, wide range. But Chris has always had a good strong alto, & in the late 1970s, she says her soprano range began to lengthen.

[HomerMcvie]

Okay, I never go over into Stevyland, but you people aren't posting enough stuff to occupy my mind, so look what I found:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8duE9g1Qy8I&search=Stevie%20Nicks%20Rhiannon%20Melbourne






I wonder if she's fantasizing about the "King"?:lol: :lol: :lol:
Check out those crossed eyes!:lol: :lol: :lol:
I LOVE whoever created this!:)

[ragandbone]

On "You Make Loving Fun," Chris sings from low F to high C, which is ... what? a 12th? (it's an octave + a perfect 5th) That's pretty dang good, wide range. But Chris has always had a good strong alto, & in the late 1970s, she says her soprano range began to lengthen.
That's funny, when I walked away from the computer, "You Make Loving Fun" was the song I came up with to try to think of Chris' range, and then "Say You Love Me" The thing is, if we were talking about Kate Bush, or Tori Amos, they both show off their range all in one song:laugh:
I think for Stevie, I was thinking "Beautiful Child" might be an example, or "Crystal" those of you with pianos or guitar nearby, the sheet music, or those who are able to sight-sing might be able to check the range in that song. I have many years of voice training, but unfortunately, I am terrible at reading music or pulling notes out of the air.

For Lindsey highest and lowest, I think I would look at "Blue Letter" or "Tusk" and then his highs on "I'm So Afraid". Oh and of course, he did "Crystal" too. ;^)

I want to say something about Christine's voice, in comparison with Stevie's that I have been meaning to bring up for a while. Chris' voice really reminds me of the tradition of Sean Nos singing in Ireland, and British traditional singing, which regained popularity in the 60's. That singing does not employ vibrato, but uses vocal ornament to convey emotion. The focused tone, without vibrato is what I like best about Chris voice.

Stevie's voice, of course has that famous extreme vibrato, which you often hear from American folksingers of the 50's and 60's. It is really very different from Chris' voice, whether or not you think one of them has a better instrument.

**About David's chart, I just assumed that each of the levels would have their own top and bottom, but it would be silly to break them up further. That means you can decide Stevie and Chris are farther apart in ability than just one category name allows. When I practised Yoga, I kept to the beginning/intermediate, even after I had far surpassed the people who were trying it for the first time. People who had been practicing for years, and were teaching, were still in Intermediate as well.

[ragandbone]

Okay, I never go over into Stevyland, but you people aren't posting enough stuff to occupy my mind, so look what I found:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8duE9g1Qy8I&search=Stevie%20Nicks%20Rhiannon%20Melbourne






I wonder if she's fantasizing about the "King"?:lol: :lol: :lol:
Check out those crossed eyes!:lol: :lol: :lol:
I LOVE whoever created this!:)

It's the Ledgie "Where's Me Lucky Charms" (don't know her name) and I have never loved her work so much before. Genius I say!
:lol:

[jbrownsjr]

Here is where they are all located on the ranking:

Level 1: Stevie Nicks
Level 2: Christine McVie, Tony Banks, Tori Amos, Nina Simone, Betty Carter
Level 3: Rick Wakeman, Keith Emerson, Steve Winwood
Level 4: Cecile Ousset, Oscar Peterson, Keith Jarrett
Level 5: Svjatoslav Richter, Emil Gilels, Wilhelm Kempff
Freaks: Maurizio Pollini, Glenn Gould

I don't know who Lyle Mays is.

what about Enrico Polatzzo from Naked Gun?

[David]

That's funny, when I walked away from the computer, "You Make Loving Fun" was the song I came up with to try to think of Chris' range, and then "Say You Love Me" The thing is, if we were talking about Kate Bush, or Tori Amos, they both show off their range all in one song:laugh:
I think for Stevie, I was thinking "Beautiful Child" might be an example, or "Crystal" those of you with pianos or guitar nearby, the sheet music, or those who are able to sight-sing might be able to check the range in that song. I have many years of voice training, but unfortunately, I am terrible at reading music or pulling notes out of the air.It takes me a few seconds to do a song, but the piano is over there & I'm over here & ... well ... Homer, go figure it out! (He'll do it)

Edit: Beautiful Child is an octave range for the lead vocalist.
I want to say something about Christine's voice, in comparison with Stevie's that I have been meaning to bring up for a while. Chris' voice really reminds me of the tradition of Sean Nos singing in Ireland, and British traditional singing, which regained popularity in the 60's. That singing dies not employ vibrato, but uses vocal ornament to convey emotion. The focused tone, without vibrato is what I like best about Chris voice.Excellent description! It's fun to have you on the ledge, eliza, is all I can say.
**About David's chart, I just assumed that each of the levels would have their own top and bottom, but it would be silly to break them up further. That means you can decide Stevie and Chris are farther apart in ability than just one category name allows. When I practised Yoga, I kept to the beginning/intermediate, even after I had far surpassed the people who were trying it for the first time.When I do my yoga, I trigger a migraine!
People who had been practicing for years, and were teaching, were still in Intermediate as well.Absolutely. It's that "intermediate" label that confuses all of us because it can be interpreted so widely. So when I say Christine is an "intermediate" piano player, the Chris fans got pretty upset with that; but once I fixed the definition (just for the time being) of my conception of "intermediate" & set Chris up in a hierarchy, it made sense.

[cliffdweller]

Chiffonheads tend to get all caught up in the cult of personality, and can't see her obvious limitations.


Obviously you're generalizing again. See the thing is we know all about her limitations, it's just that they're discussed ad nauseum so who gives a rat's ass anymore?

I think back in the day Stevie and Chris both had some great range. Since they've gotten older, their voices have lost a lot of that range and have become deeper and huskier. I think Stevie's range and vocal ability on B/N was phenomenal. Just listen to Races are Run and Frozen Love...she bends and twists that voice 8 ways to Sunday. That record, imo, really showcases her amazing vocal ability.

[HomerMcvie]

Obviously you're generalizing again. See the thing is we know all about her limitations, it's just that they're discussed ad nauseum so who gives a rat's ass anymore?

I think back in the day Stevie and Chris both had some great range.
I've NEVER said she didn't USED to have great range! She was never a proper singer, and damaged her vocal cords frequently. She then learned how to play it safe, staying in her little four note box, and has stayed there for the last 15 years.
Borrrrrrrrrinnnnnngggggggggg:wavey:

[ragandbone]

When I do my yoga, I trigger a migraine!
Absolutely. It's that "intermediate" label that confuses all of us because it can be interpreted so widely. So when I say Christine is an "intermediate" piano player, the Chris fans got pretty upset with that; but once I fixed the definition (just for the time being) of my conception of "intermediate" & set Chris up in a hierarchy, it made sense.

That is really too bad! I found that Yoga helped my migraines because it helped me to improve my poor circulation. Of course, I would never take a class with a migraine coming on. Accupressure works a little, putting my feet in warm water helps a little, caffeine works a little, and if all else fails, I take Imitrex. Migraines are a terrible affliction!

Now that you have quoted me:That singing dies not employ vibrato,
my typo lives forever! The more I use a keyboard, the worse my typos get. For instance, I have been considering renmaing myself "Elzia" since that is the way I type it every time.

[jbrownsjr]

That is really too bad! I found that Yoga helped my migraines because it helped me to improve my poor circulation. Of course, I would never take a class with a migraine coming on. Accupressure works a little, putting my feet in warm water helps a little, caffeine works a little, and if all else fails, I take Imitrex. Migraines are a terrible affliction!

Now that you have quoted me:
my typo lives forever! The more I use a keyboard, the worse my typos get. For instance, I have been considering renmaing myself "Elzia" since that is the way I type it every time.


i like u! :lol:

[ragandbone]

i like u! :lol:
Excellent description! It's fun to have you on the ledge, eliza, is all I can say.
Awww :o
I had a really crummy day, but comments from the two of you made me feel great, and I must employ smilies.:xoxo:
Thanks!
~Elzia, I mean...

[David]

i'm asking this honestly.. does stevie even play the piano.. or just pound chords...??? i've heard her play rhiannon and it was horrible
She plays. Fans describe her style as "pounding," but that really isn't the essence of her style (if she can be said to have a keyboard style). I would say the essence of her style is in repetitive figuration of identical motivic units (a sort of reversed Alberti bass in the right hand), with droning & often inappropriate pedal-point bass & virtually no dynamic coloring or expressiveness & no development to speak of -- almost like an ostinato technique, only totally without polyphonic or rhythmic exploration, let alone variation in tempi.

In short, Stevie's playing is bad.

[jbrownsjr]

She plays. Fans describe her style as "pounding," but that really isn't the essence of her style (if she can be said to have a keyboard style). I would say the essence of her style is in repetitive figuration of identical motivic units (a sort of reversed Alberti bass in the right hand), with droning & often inappropriate pedal-point bass & virtually no dynamic coloring or expressiveness & no development to speak of -- almost like an ostinato technique, only totally without polyphonic or rhythmic exploration, let alone variation in tempi.

In short, Stevie's playing is bad.

u have me intrigued with your categories... i will invest in some Glenn Gould... any ideas on your favorite album or piece?

[Gailh]

She plays. Fans describe her style as "pounding," but that really isn't the essence of her style (if she can be said to have a keyboard style). I would say the essence of her style is in repetitive figuration of identical motivic units (a sort of reversed Alberti bass in the right hand), with droning & often inappropriate pedal-point bass & virtually no dynamic coloring or expressiveness & no development to speak of -- almost like an ostinato technique, only totally without polyphonic or rhythmic exploration, let alone variation in tempi.

In short, Stevie's playing is bad.

Yeah - what he said

Gail

[David]

u have me intrigued with your categories... i will invest in some Glenn Gould... any ideas on your favorite album or piece?Glenn Gould? Certainly one of the gods of 20th century performance, interpretation & technique. But what is it about Stevie that sets you out after Gould?

As far as my recommendations, I suggest the three-CD set "A Sense of Wonder," which you can find on Amazon for only $15. This set is the 1955 debut Gould recording of the Goldberg Variations, packaged with the final Gould recording in 1981 of the Goldbergs again, & a third CD of outtakes & interviews.

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00006FI7C.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

Glenn Gould & Johann Sebastian Bach's Goldbergs: These are achievements of such high order -- aesthetic, technical, moral -- as to obliterate the baby steps of rock stars like Fleetwood Mac. So I recommend you buy the CDs & the folio score (a cheap edition will do, like the Schirmer's Library) & experience wonder & awe with the human mind as it manifests itself off the scale of normality. It was just such minds that created God.

[jbrownsjr]

Glenn Gould? Certainly one of the gods of 20th century performance, interpretation & technique. But what is it about Stevie that sets you out after Gould?


Stevie is better than he is. or..... I hit the quote by accident.

[SteveMacD]

Hey David, have you been to Toronto? You really need to go to the CBC building. You could get your picture taken with a statue of Glenn Gould sitting on a bench, and then take a peek at the Glenn Gould Studio.

http://www.electricpenguin.com/blatherings/pics/2001-07/010717statue.jpg

I saw some footage of Glenn playing for the Queen on one of her visits. He was literally possessed. I could see that he was one of those guys who walked that line of genius and insanity.