Kirwan albums coming out on CD!?!

[bretonbanquet]

I thought I'd never see the day - I heard from a friend who subscribes to a Japanese music release email newsletter, and on it were the three Danny Kirwan albums which are apparently being released on CD in Japan on Feb 22

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Here's a link to Tower Records Japan - well done if you can read it, but you can see the album covers and the date of release.

http://beta1.search.tower.jp/test.php?keyword=ALL&entry=danny+kirwan+&GOODS_SORT_CD=101&SEARCH_GENRE=ALL&TYPE=ALL&STR=danny+kirwan+

Big news for Danny fans as only Second Chapter was ever released on CD, way back in '93 and it sold out very quickly. Let's hope it comes to fruition with no hitches, and that Danny sees some proper income from these releases!

[chiliD]

I thought I'd never see the day - I heard from a friend who subscribes to a Japanese music release email newsletter, and on it were the three Danny Kirwan albums which are apparently being released on CD in Japan on Feb 22

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Here's a link to Tower Records Japan - well done if you can read it, but you can see the album covers and the date of release.

http://beta1.search.tower.jp/test.php?keyword=ALL&entry=danny+kirwan+&GOODS_SORT_CD=101&SEARCH_GENRE=ALL&TYPE=ALL&STR=danny+kirwan+

Big news for Danny fans as only Second Chapter was ever released on CD, way back in '93 and it sold out very quickly. Let's hope it comes to fruition with no hitches, and that Danny sees some proper income from these releases!

According to Chris Frohring (the owner of the "Unofficial Danny Kirwan Website"), Danny won't see a penny of any sales of his albums. A few years ago, Chris was heading a campaign to get Danny's solo albums released...or, at least, an anthology of his solo material. After getting the thumbs up from a record company and even put on the "upcoming releases" list, the record company shifted gears & released Ram Jam City instead.

[bretonbanquet]

According to Chris Frohring (the owner of the "Unofficial Danny Kirwan Website"), Danny won't see a penny of any sales of his albums. A few years ago, Chris was heading a campaign to get Danny's solo albums released...or, at least, an anthology of his solo material. After getting the thumbs up from a record company and even put on the "upcoming releases" list, the record company shifted gears & released Ram Jam City instead.

It would be a crime if Danny didn't see any money from this. Are you in touch with Chris Frohring - does he know about any Japanese releases? I also tried for ages to find out who owned the rights to the solo albums, but predictably no-one would tell me... wouldn't Clifford Davis own the rights?

[chiliD]

It would be a crime if Danny didn't see any money from this. Are you in touch with Chris Frohring - does he know about any Japanese releases?

After I read your post, I emailed him...haven't gotten a response as of yet.


I also tried for ages to find out who owned the rights to the solo albums, but predictably no-one would tell me... wouldn't Clifford Davis own the rights?

Maybe...don't know...I seem to recall, at least AT THE TIME, the record company that released Ram Jam City (Sanctuary?) owned the rights, but I'm not sure about now, though.

[aleuzzi]

Wow, I've always wanted to hear Midnight in San Juan (have Second Chapter on lp)and am interested in getting the cd. But it's a real crime if Danny won't see any proceeds from the sales. They won't make much $, but still this just seems like adding insult to injury. The poor guy has faced one hard knock after another in his career. Geez.

[bretonbanquet]

After I read your post, I emailed him...haven't gotten a response as of yet.




Maybe...don't know...I seem to recall, at least AT THE TIME, the record company that released Ram Jam City (Sanctuary?) owned the rights, but I'm not sure about now, though.


Any news on this, Chili? :)

[chiliD]

Still no reply.:shrug:

[bretonbanquet]

Shame - it would be nice to hear if there are any developments on this :(

[bretonbanquet]

The CDs are now showing up on eBay - a promo box set of all 3 of Danny's solo CDs went for $172 this morning :shocked:

I'd like to think they will be cheaper at some point - preferably released in the UK or the US too.

[wetcamelfood]

I was going to buy them at Tower JP but I can't find the link to switch it to English. Anyone know how to do that on their site?

John

[chiliD]

I was going to buy them at Tower JP but I can't find the link to switch it to English. Anyone know how to do that on their site?

John


If you type "Tower Records Japan" in Google, you get a link that says "translate this page". However, it doesn't translate the whole page and once you do a search within the Tower site, it still will come up in Japanese.

They're 2730 Yen apiece, which coverts to approximately $24 each.

[Wouter Vuijk]

They're 2730 Yen apiece, which coverts to approximately $24 each.
That's pretty pricey, wonder how much Danny gets off of this????:mad:

[wetcamelfood]

Hmm, I tried to order them anyways & it says they won't ship outside Japan. Anyone know of any way around this?

John

[chiliD]

Hmm, I tried to order them anyways & it says they won't ship outside Japan. Anyone know of any way around this?

John


Fly to Tokyo? :laugh:

[madformac]

That's pretty pricey, wonder how much Danny gets off of this????:mad:

Sweet F.A. probably...

You know, sorry for just hijacking the thread for a moment, David Gilmour insisted on performing Syd Barrett tracks live on the 1994 Pink Floyd tour (which was released on CD and video and will, eventually come out on DVD!) and he performed a couple of Barrett numbers in 2002 which were released on DVD. The reason I'm saying this is that, even though Syd is looked after in his day to day needs, this was Gilmour's way of making sure Syd got some royalites even though he can't approach Syd because of his illness... It's a great thing to do.

It would have been nice if Fleetwood Mac would have performed a Kirwan number on the SYW tour so that at least something got to Danny in terms of royalties.... :distress:

[HomerMcvie]

It would have been nice if Fleetwood Mac would have performed a Kirwan number on the SYW tour so that at least something got to Danny in terms of royalties.... :distress:
God forbid they should learn a new song! It'd be just as easy for them to give him $5,000, a few times a year.

[wetcamelfood]

Fly to Tokyo? :laugh:

Yeah really :) I wonder if there are any Japanese ledgies that could help out? Pretty please? With sugur on top? :)

John

[bretonbanquet]

They are showing up on eBay from Japanese sellers, but the competition seems a bit hot for my liking. Maybe in a week or two it will have settled down. I'm lucky in that the guy who told me about them in the first place bought the box set and the individual CDs, then decided to sell the individual CDs to me :) He got his family in Japan to send them to him though...

[mzero]

Sweet F.A. probably...

You know, sorry for just hijacking the thread for a moment, David Gilmour insisted on performing Syd Barrett tracks live on the 1994 Pink Floyd tour (which was released on CD and video and will, eventually come out on DVD!) and he performed a couple of Barrett numbers in 2002 which were released on DVD. The reason I'm saying this is that, even though Syd is looked after in his day to day needs, this was Gilmour's way of making sure Syd got some royalites even though he can't approach Syd because of his illness... It's a great thing to do.

It would have been nice if Fleetwood Mac would have performed a Kirwan number on the SYW tour so that at least something got to Danny in terms of royalties.... :distress:

i like your highjack mfm. it sure would have been a great thing for them to have done for danny, assuming that danny actually does have a stake in his own songs - earlier in this thread cD suggested that he does not...

but the difference between mac/ danny k and dave gilmour/barret, and roger waters/barrett for that matter, is that gilmour and waters owe their livlihood to barrett to a large degree and they acknowledge that upfront- the band got a contract and had hits due to barrett. after they forced him out '68, it wasn't until the early 70's that floyd without barrett found their bearings and became sucessful again. the formula of their most sucessful records, dark side, wish you were here, animals and the wall was to write about barrett pretty much.
and they were very close childhood friends of barrett. gilmour repaying his debt to some degree is really admirable.

i don't think fleetwood mac have anywhere near the same fond memories and care for danny. and i think they owe him much more than they admit.

now, to un-highjack the thread, i don't think that i will get the kirwan re-issues until i'm sure that danny gets something from them. i wonder if martin clemins knows anything about this royalty situation? perhaps Mario could be ask mc?

zero

[bretonbanquet]

i don't think fleetwood mac have anywhere near the same fond memories and care for danny. and i think they owe him much more than they admit.

now, to un-highjack the thread, i don't think that i will get the kirwan re-issues until i'm sure that danny gets something from them. i wonder if martin clemins knows anything about this royalty situation? perhaps Mario could be ask mc?

zero

Anyone who can ask anyone else who might know - please do! :thumbsup:

I don't mind if they don't get released over here if it's true that Danny doesn't get income from them. There's no point in having them if the money goes to some other undeserving pocket. It could be that there's a different situation in Japan though - different contracts for different territories? :shrug:

I'm pretty sure he gets income from his Mac songs though - at least one reference I have describes Danny as 'scraping by on royalties from his Mac days'.

I agree that the other Macsters don't seem to recognise Danny's input. Mick apparently sees Danny the most, but I'm not sure Danny trusts him not to try and send him out on a tour or something... I guess also that it was a hell of a long time ago, and memories fade - people always talk about Peter and his contribution is well documented, but Danny's time with the band is more easily forgotten since most of it was commercially unsuccessful. And of course, a Kirwan song being played live is less likely if Stevie and Lindsey don't like the idea - and they never even met Danny of course.

[bretonbanquet]

I received my copies of the Danny Kirwan albums on Japanese CD today - they're in the cardboard "LP" type sleeves rather than jewel cases, and they come with a fold-out paper insert with lyrics in English and a bio or something in Japanese. The sound is good, being a 24-bit remaster.

Anyway, the point of this is the box in the corner of each insert which says "Reissue Staff". The licensor is listed as Clifford Davis Music, UK. Does this shed any further light on the royalties situation? At least we know that Clifford Davis will know, if anyone ever gets to ask him. I thought he'd lost everything at one point (to his ex-wife?) and the rights had gone to someone else. But if he still owns the rights, maybe he and Danny still have some agreement over the music.

Any ideas? :wavey:

[SteveMacD]

I heard he lost the Mac royalties to Michelle. But, maybe these don't count as Mac royalties OR maybe he she kept the name "Clifford Davis Music."

[wondergirl9847]

It would have been nice if Fleetwood Mac would have performed a Kirwan number on the SYW tour so that at least something got to Danny in terms of royalties.... :distress:

I would have died right there in the front row. LOL I'm listening to Sands of Time right now. :thumbsup: If they were to do an entire show only doing Danny songs, that would be farkin' awesome.

[bretonbanquet]

I would have died right there in the front row. LOL I'm listening to Sands of Time right now. :thumbsup: If they were to do an entire show only doing Danny songs, that would be farkin' awesome.

I'd need to be rususcitated by paramedics if they did that !! Shame it seems unlikely.

On the rights/royalties issue, I was wondering about what SMD was saying about Michelle getting the Mac rights, and I noticed that on the actual discs of these Kirwan re-releases, it does say "Fleetwood Music Ltd" - not a particularly good sign.

But if she'd owned the rights all this time, I suspect someone would have cashed in on them a long time ago... it's a bit puzzling :(

[DavidMn]

I'd need to be rususcitated by paramedics if they did that !! Shame it seems unlikely.

On the rights/royalties issue, I was wondering about what SMD was saying about Michelle getting the Mac rights, and I noticed that on the actual discs of these Kirwan re-releases, it does say "Fleetwood Music Ltd" - not a particularly good sign.

But if she'd owned the rights all this time, I suspect someone would have cashed in on them a long time ago... it's a bit puzzling :(That legal crap sometimes is next to impossibe to figure out.