Christine's absense [Archive]

DavidMn

01-23-2006, 03:58 PM

I thought this would be an interesting companion thread to the what if Stevie left one. I know alot of people here have their preferences as to which band members are their favorites and what not, but here's my take on the whole Christine not participating in SYW thing. I've always come at it from the angle that Fleetwood Mac is a great COLLECTION of talent, and to me they proved it even more so during the making of SYW and then the tour. Losing a valuable member such as Christine who had devoted almost 30 years of her life to Fleetwood Mac might have killed most bands. But for Mick, Lindsey, Stevie, and John to do what they did, at their ages, to me is much more a compliment to their talents and wanting Fleetwood Mac to continue than any kind of bad reflection on Christine. I was lucky enough to be able to see 35 SYW shows, and the most amazing thing to me that to this day I havent forgotten is how EVERY single night I never left a show thinking they didn't give their best effort. I was so proud that this band that I'd listened to for 30 years could still do it. Were they as good as they were in the 70's? Maybe not, but let's remember, they are all in their 50's now and in the case of John, 60. Would I have preferred Chris to be there on SYW? of course, but they moved on very well without her, a true testament to their talents.

Angelick Witch

01-23-2006, 04:11 PM

I miss Christine on SYW, the album, I think it's a much darker album than any of the others, very few songs with happy messages in them (if _any_). But it is amazing that they can be so good having lost the third singer/songwriter, and in any situation, lots of Stevie/Lindsey can't be a _bad_ thing!! :nod:

Jyqm

01-23-2006, 04:13 PM

I thought this would be an interesting companion thread to the what if Stevie left one. I know alot of people here have their preferences as to which band members are their favorites and what not, but here's my take on the whole Christine not participating in SYW thing. I've always come at it from the angle that Fleetwood Mac is a great COLLECTION of talent, and to me they proved it even more so during the making of SYW and then the tour. Losing a valuable member such as Christine who had devoted almost 30 years of her life to Fleetwood Mac might have killed most bands. But for Mick, Lindsey, Stevie, and John to do what they did, at their ages, to me is much more a compliment to their talents and wanting Fleetwood Mac to continue than any kind of bad reflection on Christine. I was lucky enough to be able to see 35 SYW shows, and the most amazing thing to me that to this day I havent forgotten is how EVERY single night I never left a show thinking they didn give their best effort. I was so proud that this band that I'd listened to for 30 years could still do it. Were they as good as they were in the 70's? Maybe not, but let's remember, they are all in their 50's now and in the case of John, 60. Would I have preferred Chris to be there on SYW? of course, but they moved on very well without her, a true testament to their talents.

I agree that Say You Will is, for the most part, a pretty great album, especially for a band that has been around for so many years, and who were recording without a key member for the first time in over three decades.

I'm sure you know well by now that I disagree with you somewhat on the tour. I don't doubt that they gave their best every night within the confines of the program they prescribed for themselves, but I think that program itself is more or less a disgrace, considering all of the things they so easily could do.

DavidMn

01-23-2006, 04:16 PM

I agree that Say You Will is, for the most part, a pretty great album, especially for a band that has been around for so many years, and who were recording without a key member for the first time in over three decades.

I'm sure you know well by now that I disagree with you somewhat on the tour. I don't doubt that they gave their best every night within the confines of the program they prescribed for themselves, but I think that program itself is more or less a disgrace, considering all of the things they so easily could do.
Yes, I think the setlist issue is one you make a good point on, but as for the performance factor, believe me, they gave it their all. BUt I appriciate the angle you take too.

amber

01-23-2006, 04:16 PM

I can't reply to threads with misspellings in the title.

DavidMn

01-23-2006, 04:19 PM

I can't reply to threads with misspellings in the title.
Dammit I thought about that. WHat an idiot,. ABSENCE. SOrry my bad:sorry:

amber

01-23-2006, 04:25 PM

Dammit I thought about that. WHat an idiot,. ABSENCE. SOrry my bad:sorry:

hahahahahahahaha!
Here's a little friend I use from time to time: dictionary.com

GypsySongbird

01-23-2006, 04:27 PM

i think say you will is a good album, but to me theres no way it compares to any of the earlier ones with chris in them, - time doesnt count, although i like chris' time songs, they did a fantastic job with what they could, but its just not fleetwood mac, like time wasnt, and even behind the mask wasnt quite there, its buckingham nicks with mick and john, christine was perfect to tie it all together, but still a good album.

DavidMn

01-23-2006, 04:28 PM

hahahahahahahaha!
Here's a little friend I use from time to time: dictionary.comI think it would be a good idea for me to make use of that in the future.:)

Jyqm

01-23-2006, 04:30 PM

mylittledemon

01-23-2006, 04:30 PM

I really enjoyed Say You Will. I really thought "The Dance" was the end. It's a major bummer that Christine isn't around. She balances out the extremes of Lindsey and Stevie's songs, as well as onstage. I *wish* Christine was still in the band...I like her songs, her voice..She adds something to the group much like all the other players.

IF I was a casual Fleetwood Mac listener...I probably would have been turned off by Say You Will. We're all biased since we like the Mac, but looking from the outside in I think most of you would agree with that.

As far as the tour goes...they DID rock. I saw them on 3 or 4 shows and each time was fantastic.

DavidMn

01-23-2006, 04:35 PM

I also must say that I never got a chance to see Fleetwood Mac in the 70's in their heyday because I was simply too young. I have seen many videos and stuff like that, but no way does that compare to being there in person. If I could change one thing, I would go back and have made my mother let me go to the Tusk tour shows at Met Center in Minneapolis May 9&10, 1980. I still remember begging her as a 9 year old to go, but she wouldnt let me.:(

chiliD

01-23-2006, 05:05 PM

... time doesnt count, although i like chris' time songs, they did a fantastic job with what they could, but its just not fleetwood mac, like time wasnt...

AhEM! :mad: (nearly 12 years and counting...it still doesn't sink in with some people)

What's the cover say on the Time album? Oh yeah, "FLEETWOOD MAC"...it counts. Always has, always will. It's as legitimate a Fleetwood Mac album as any other with the Fleetwood Mac name on it (and that includes Behind The Mask as well)

Ok, MacDougall, your turn.

Regarding Christine's absense (absence, or absinthe)...whatever...she didn't want to be involved, she wasn't, that's how Fleetwood Mac was for that album. With Fleetwood Mac, you just never know what the lineup of the next album is going to be...that's the legend of the band. Some people just won't let go of the fact that the Rumours lineup was a friggin' ANOMALY in the history of Fleetwood Mac. That they released six consecutive albums with the same lineup won't ever happen again.

DavidMn

01-23-2006, 05:07 PM

Brwn_eyes0511

01-23-2006, 05:39 PM

its buckingham nicks with mick and john

EXACTLY!

I really enjoyed SYW, even without Christine. I did not however go to any shows because I have no interest in seeing this band live...because they just really don't have anything to offer me without Christine...and the fact that I could pretty much guess their set list, having never seen a FM show in my life :rolleyes:

So for me FM is essentially over. I think they can still produce some great studio material (even though it's Buckingham Nicks more than FM) but as far as a live act...I feel that they are washed up!

*note* They are free to continue to tour if they wish, but they must NOT ever use a Christine McVie song...EVER! So please stop mutilating "Don't Stop" Stevie!

jannieC

01-23-2006, 06:20 PM

*note* They are free to continue to tour if they wish, but they must NOT ever use a Christine McVie song...EVER! So please stop mutilating "Don't Stop" Stevie!

How can you say it's mutilated if you've never seen it live? Personally, I would prefer they had done something else- with so much to choose from I didn't think they needed to do one of Chris's songs.

Brwn_eyes0511

01-23-2006, 06:26 PM

How can you say it's mutilated if you've never seen it live? Personally, I would prefer they had done something else- with so much to choose from I didn't think they needed to do one of Chris's songs.

LIB and various bootlegs....were enough, trust me!!!

I totally agree with your last point. They have so much stuff between the two of them that they have NO NEED to attempt any of Christine's songs without her...there is simply NO NEED FOR IT! (Can I stress that enough? :p )

HELLO STEVIE (like she is ever going to read this): Storms, Angel, Crystal, Twisted....have you ever heard of any of these songs??? Great songs that you haven't done in ages...It wouldn't hurt to try.

And Lord knows they could dust some of those ol' Buckingham Nicks songs off and give them a shot...whatever they want to do with their own damn material...just stay away from Christine's...PLEASE! :)

jannieC

01-23-2006, 06:28 PM

LIB and various bootlegs....were enough, trust me!!!

I totally agree with your last point. They have so much stuff between the two of them that they have NO NEED to attempt any of Christine's songs without her...there is simply NO NEED FOR IT! (Can I stress that enough? :p )

HELLO STEVIE (like she is ever going to read this): Storms, Angel, Crystal, Twisted....have you ever heard of any of these songs??? Great songs that you haven't done in ages...It wouldn't hurt to try.

And Lord knows they could dust some of those ol' Buckingham Nicks songs off and give them a shot...whatever they want to do with their own damn material...just stay away from Christine's...PLEASE! :)
Agree, agree, agree. With all points. Except. Stevie didn't mutilate Don't Stop. It was different, but not horrible, imo.

SteveMacD

01-23-2006, 06:29 PM

I think we all know how I feel on the issue. "Time" and "Say You Will" were both validly released as Fleetwood Mac. Those who are exclusively fans of the "Rumours" band are the last group of people who can legitimately say "it isn't Fleetwood Mac because X isn't in the band." Unless X is either Mick or John (and really, only Mick if we're being technical), then you simply do not have a leg to stand on (pardon the pun). Stevie and Lindsey joined the circus seven years in. There was a band before them. It stands to reason that there would be one after them. 'Nuf said.

jbrownsjr

01-23-2006, 06:32 PM

First, I miss Christine McVie period. I miss Joni Mitchell, Bob Welch, Nina (God i miss Nina) anyway. I did not like Say You Will initially, but it grew on me. I was a little pissed at LB's comments regarding Christine. I am still pissed at LB for no solo album. I was waiting for GOS for so long and can't believe CM got an album out before him. He should have way more albums than her!! My point is that I miss Christine, and sort of annoyed with FMac.

2 main reasons I'm pissed at Mac. One the entourage of performers on stage is ridiculous. And it would have been same if CM was there!! Secondly, setlists are mundane. As good as Rush is they do the same thing to me. They play the same core of 2 hours and splash in a few off tracks.

ok ... having said all my biases I'm glad people like DavidMN get to see FMac because you take what you can get. But I wish David you got a better setlist and I wish you were able to go to the Tusk or Mirage tours....And I wish you could see Songbird at the end. And I wish you could see YMLF live, and Oh Daddy, and see Christine pound the piano on "Not that Funny" and I wish you could see her play Maracas on sing on same mic with LB on World Turning and see her go THANK YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU or STEVIE NICKS!!!!!!!!!! in her shrill voice.. or see her getting bombed and smoking on stage!!! damn i miss that ****!

Brwn_eyes0511

01-23-2006, 06:46 PM

ok ... having said all my biases I'm glad people like DavidMN get to see FMac because you take what you can get. But I wish David you got a better setlist and I wish you were able to go to the Tusk or Mirage tours....And I wish you could see Songbird at the end. And I wish you could see YMLF live, and Oh Daddy, and see Christine pound the piano on "Not that Funny" and I wish you could see her play Maracas on sing on same mic with LB on World Turning and see her go THANK YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU or STEVIE NICKS!!!!!!!!!! in her shrill voice.. or see her getting bombed and smoking on stage!!! damn i miss that ****!

Gawd you rock!

I miss that **** too, and I never got to see ANY OF THAT!!!

NEVER EVER will I get to see Christine live, unless by some miracle....:( :distress:

jbrownsjr

01-23-2006, 07:08 PM

Gawd you rock!

I miss that **** too, and I never got to see ANY OF THAT!!!

NEVER EVER will I get to see Christine live, unless by some miracle....:( :distress:

I wish you did too! She was so equally important to me in every incarnation she was in. Whether it be the Kiln tour or the Dance she was always fun to watch.. those who say she wasn't animated well that's just a matter of opinion and taste...

Jyqm

01-23-2006, 07:25 PM

AhEM! :mad: (nearly 12 years and counting...it still doesn't sink in with some people)

What's the cover say on the Time album? Oh yeah, "FLEETWOOD MAC"...it counts. Always has, always will. It's as legitimate a Fleetwood Mac album as any other with the Fleetwood Mac name on it (and that includes Behind The Mask as well)

Ok, MacDougall, your turn.

Regarding Christine's absense (absence, or absinthe)...whatever...she didn't want to be involved, she wasn't, that's how Fleetwood Mac was for that album. With Fleetwood Mac, you just never know what the lineup of the next album is going to be...that's the legend of the band. Some people just won't let go of the fact that the Rumours lineup was a friggin' ANOMALY in the history of Fleetwood Mac. That they released six consecutive albums with the same lineup won't ever happen again.

I have to say that I admire your persistence, always, and you know I absolutely agree with you. But I just don't think I could do it the way you do. I can't even be bothered to respond to these people. They're talking out of their asses and they know it, and there's simply no possible way they're ever going to respond to something as mundane as "logic" or "history" or "fact." Regardless, godspeed.

HomerMcvie

01-23-2006, 09:40 PM

I, pretty much, am done with FM live. Partially because Chris is no longer there, but ALSO because they are now long in the tooth, unable to hit any higher notes actually on the original songs, but also for the fact that they play the same old tired **** every single night.

Know when, to say when(and I don't mean myself).

ontheEdgeof17

01-23-2006, 09:58 PM

I'd rather have a band who enjoys touring...instead of someone who didn't want to tour after Mirage but continued getting suckered into it somehow. To me, that leaves a sour taste in my mouth. I can't watch someone up on stage knowing that they really don't want to be there.

elie

01-24-2006, 06:17 AM

I have never been a huge fan of Christine - even though I like some of her songs- and at first I thought that her absence would not be a big loss for me, but when I bought the Dance DVD I realised that I was wrong. In a way it is some much better than the Live in Boston. Not just the songs, but her vocals as well..
It 's perhaps because (as a previous poster said) she sort of balances out Stevie's & Lindsey's extremes.

Gailh

01-24-2006, 08:32 AM

I miss Christine in the band.

I liked Say You Will (even though I think it's too long) but the balance that Christine provided is now lacking. the very first song on the album when you know the chorus is about to kick and then..... well that doesn't sound right. Musically I think she's the only one who can command Lindsey's respect even if it annoys him! I'm not sure that it would have sold more if she'd taken part though.

I saw them twice at Earls Court in 2003 and the first time I REALLY missed Christine on stage - but that was the first time I'd ever seen FM without Ms McVie on stage.

They were very good except for there now being three occasions to go to the bar, have a wee etc which I found tedious. On the other hand Lindsey and Stevie sang Say Goodbye beautifully.

I agree with what some others have said about doing Christine's material. I'd rather they didn't or if they must can Stevie please LEARN THE DAMN WORDS! The two times I saw them she buggered it up each time.

Gail

Miss Vicky

01-24-2006, 09:50 AM

time doesnt count, although i like chris' time songs, they did a fantastic job with what they could, but its just not fleetwood mac, like time wasnt, and even behind the mask wasnt quite there.

Not to pick on you personally (since you are not the first and probably not the last to make such a comment), but this **** drives me nuts. :mad:

"Behind the Mask, Time, and Say You Will just aren't really Fleetwood Mac." Then WTF are they? If lacking a key member of the Rumours lineup equates to not really being "Fleetwood Mac" then I suppose by that estimation Then Play On, Bare Trees, and anything pre 1975 "aren't really Fleetwood Mac" either. Dislike those albums all you want, but THEY ARE REALLY FLEETWOOD MAC. :rolleyes:

chiliD

01-24-2006, 11:14 AM

I have to say that I admire your persistence, always, and you know I absolutely agree with you. But I just don't think I could do it the way you do. I can't even be bothered to respond to these people. They're talking out of their asses and they know it, and there's simply no possible way they're ever going to respond to something as mundane as "logic" or "history" or "fact." Regardless, godspeed.

Can't help it, I'm a "Blue State-er". :lol:

dontlookdown

01-24-2006, 12:17 PM

i didn't have time to read every entry but here's my reponse to those that i did read.
Say You Will was a really great album. Musically, I thought it was pretty adventurous. I could have done without a lot of Stevie's songs. I thought the title track, Silver Girl, Goodbye Baby, and Running Through the Garden were very mediocre (if not shrill and annoying). It's a shame that she didn't save the best of Trouble In Shangri-La for Say You Will.
I've always thought that one of the reasons why Stevie really shines on Fleetwood Mac albums is because there are usually just 3 tracks. She's best in small doses. So for that reason, maybe Say You Will would have been stronger had Chris contributed.
(If you remove those tracks from the album and insert the title track from TISL and add It's Only Love, it's a much stronger album).
Ahh the wonders of itunes and my ipod...

I liked the show that I saw on the tour in LA. In general, I thought they played better than they did on the Dance tour. I don't like all the extra back-up musicians and singers. I'd rather hear them as a 4 piece even if it means hearing some off-key harmonies. I like my rock and roll loud and raw. Fleetwood Mac has the loud part down, but they need to get away from the over-produced/huge production thing on tour.
And yes, I agree - the same old set list night after night got really stale.
It's not fun going to a show knowing what you're going to hear before they play it - but maybe the internet is to blame for that.
Christine is surely missed. I absolutely loved her version of Oh Daddy on the Dance tour. (If anyone has an mp3 of it please let me know).
And I agree, it was a bad choice to play Don't Stop on the Say You Will tour.
It came off as being really cheesey and nostalgia-act esque. In a bad post-Brian Wilson Beach Boys kind of way.
But Don't Stop has always been the only Fleetwood Mac song I've never liked - so maybe it's just me.
I also cringe when FM plays Stand Back, so I have some unpopular opinions.
After hearing Chris's solo album, I was relieved that she was no longer in the band. I kind of feel like she's done everything she can do as a songwriter. All the new stuff feels really average and I sometimes wonder if it would have taken away from the "electricity" of Say You Will.
I think Stevie and Lindsey are still into taking chances and trying new things. Who knows - they may even work with a younger/more progressive producer for the next album.
Christine sounds very much set in her ways, so it was probably a wise decision to opt out of the Fleetwood Mac machine.

Just my 2 cents...

chiliD

01-24-2006, 02:42 PM

After hearing Chris's solo album, I was relieved that she was no longer in the band. I kind of feel like she's done everything she can do as a songwriter. All the new stuff feels really average and I sometimes wonder if it would have taken away from the "electricity" of Say You Will.
I think Stevie and Lindsey are still into taking chances and trying new things. Who knows - they may even work with a younger/more progressive producer for the next album.
Christine sounds very much set in her ways, so it was probably a wise decision to opt out of the Fleetwood Mac machine.

Just my 2 cents...

Oh...but, don't you think Chris' latest songs would've ended up sounding quite a bit different had they been sprinkled with Lindsey-dust and had the Fleetwood/McVie rhythm section??

Brwn_eyes0511

01-24-2006, 02:44 PM

Oh...but, don't you think Chris' latest songs would've ended up sounding quite a bit different had they been sprinkled with Lindsey-dust and had the Fleetwood/McVie rhythm section??

btw, do you have ITM yet ChiliD????

dissention

01-24-2006, 02:50 PM

I think Stevie...still into taking chances and trying new things.

Someone has been smoking funny cigarettes.

Jyqm

01-24-2006, 04:17 PM

I think Stevie and Lindsey are still into taking chances and trying new things.

Or Lindsey is, anyway, and he can occasionally convince Stevie to go along for the ride.

Who knows - they may even work with a younger/more progressive producer for the next album.

You really think Lindsey will ever hand over the reins to another person?

Christine sounds very much set in her ways, so it was probably a wise decision to opt out of the Fleetwood Mac machine.

What's more "set in its ways" than the Fleetwood Mac machine?

ThePenguin

01-24-2006, 04:18 PM

DavidMn

01-24-2006, 05:43 PM

DavidMn

01-24-2006, 05:48 PM

EXACTLY!

I really enjoyed SYW, even without Christine. I did not however go to any shows because I have no interest in seeing this band live...because they just really don't have anything to offer me without Christine...and the fact that I could pretty much guess their set list, having never seen a FM show in my life :rolleyes:

So for me FM is essentially over. I think they can still produce some great studio material (even though it's Buckingham Nicks more than FM) but as far as a live act...I feel that they are washed up!

*note* They are free to continue to tour if they wish, but they must NOT ever use a Christine McVie song...EVER! So please stop mutilating "Don't Stop" Stevie!Brandon you really missed out with the SYW tour. But I know Christine's your gal, so I guess I can respect your opinion even if I dont agree with it.

DavidMn

01-24-2006, 05:54 PM

AhEM! :mad: (nearly 12 years and counting...it still doesn't sink in with some people)

What's the cover say on the Time album? Oh yeah, "FLEETWOOD MAC"...it counts. Always has, always will. It's as legitimate a Fleetwood Mac album as any other with the Fleetwood Mac name on it (and that includes Behind The Mask as well)

Ok, MacDougall, your turn.

Regarding Christine's absense (absence, or absinthe)...whatever...she didn't want to be involved, she wasn't, that's how Fleetwood Mac was for that album. With Fleetwood Mac, you just never know what the lineup of the next album is going to be...that's the legend of the band. Some people just won't let go of the fact that the Rumours lineup was a friggin' ANOMALY in the history of Fleetwood Mac. That they released six consecutive albums with the same lineup won't ever happen again.I'll tell you this much about Time. It's not personally my favorite, but it's unfair to say it's not a legitimate Fleetwood Mac album. You're right on about the legend of the band being how they've evolved. That's what's so faciniating about them to me.:nod:

jbrownsjr

01-25-2006, 01:39 AM

Someone has been smoking funny cigarettes.

key word here is "try" dissention

tommer

01-25-2006, 02:31 AM

christine who ? ? ?

Brwn_eyes0511

01-25-2006, 09:27 AM

christine who ? ? ?

The hit maker and keyboardist from Chicken Shack and later Fleetwood Mac.

;)

jbrownsjr

01-25-2006, 12:43 PM

christine who ? ? ?

the car from Stephen King's book ;)

Brwn_eyes0511

01-25-2006, 12:52 PM

the car from Stephen King's book ;)

She hates that b*tch from Baywatch too...

RUN 'ER DOWN!

dontlookdown

01-25-2006, 01:55 PM

i don't think we're giving stevie enough credit.
the reality of radio today is sinking in for her.
i think she's slowly but surely losing the "commercial" hopes she once had.
i won't be surprised if we see some branching out on the next few records (either FM or solo)
Illume was a pretty big leap musically for her -
as was some of the stuff on TISL - working with Macy Gray, etc.

Remember - it was Patti Smith's "Easter" album that led Stevie to Jimmy Iovine in the first place.
She's not as mainstream as you think she is.
Give her another shot at writing some new material with Lindsey and I bet we're all really pleasantly surprised.

Speaking of Patti, I wonder what "Dancing Barefoot" would sound like as a Stevie cover...

chiliD

01-25-2006, 01:57 PM

btw, do you have ITM yet ChiliD????

No. But, I AM taking all donations. :thumbsup:

Brwn_eyes0511

01-25-2006, 02:00 PM

No. But, I AM taking all donations. :thumbsup:

PM me for God sakes...

I'll mail you a copy of the CD myself!

chiliD

01-25-2006, 02:00 PM

the reality of radio today is sinking in for her.

And everybody else...radio is just too compartmentalized. Maybe there'll be either a Fleetwood Mac Channel or Stevie Nicks Channel on either Sirius or XM in the near future.

Speaking of Patti, I wonder what "Dancing Barefoot" would sound like as a Stevie cover...

Probably pretty similar to Concrete Blonde's...or Patti's own. I'd rather hear her do "Pissing In A River" or "Free Money"...or one with an appropriate Stevie Nicks title..."Ghost Dance".

DavidMn

01-25-2006, 02:15 PM

And everybody else...radio is just too compartmentalized. Maybe there'll be either a Fleetwood Mac Channel or Stevie Nicks Channel on either Sirius or XM in the near future.

Probably pretty similar to Concrete Blonde's...or Patti's own. I'd rather hear her do "Pissing In A River" or "Free Money"...or one with an appropriate Stevie Nicks title..."Ghost Dance".Actually I'm surprised that there isnt a Fleetwood Mac channel now.

Jyqm

01-25-2006, 02:49 PM

Give her another shot at writing some new material with Lindsey and I bet we're all really pleasantly surprised.

I'd love it if the both of them gave us a chance to hear some new material that they'd written together. Lindsey seemed very keen on the idea after recording Say You Will. I remember some quote from him from some interview or other that he hoped Fleetwood Mac would record another album, but this time all together from the ground up, with him and Stevie actually writing together, with their harmonies in mind.

Of course, we're now almost three years removed from that album and a year and a half removed from the tour, and at least publicly, neither of them has mentioned anything about this kind of project. Lindsey's gone into another cycle of "No, seriously, I'm releasing a solo album this year... okay okay, honestly, though, this year I'm going to release it..." and Stevie's off embracing her inner nostalgia act.

Fingers crossed, of course...

DavidMn

01-25-2006, 02:52 PM

I'd love it if the both of them gave us a chance to hear some new material that they'd written together. Lindsey seemed very keen on the idea after recording Say You Will. I remember some quote from him from some interview or other that he hoped Fleetwood Mac would record another album, but this time all together from the ground up, with him and Stevie actually writing together, with their harmonies in mind.

Of course, we're now almost three years removed from that album and a year and a half removed from the tour, and at least publicly, neither of them has mentioned anything about this kind of project. Lindsey's gone into another cycle of "No, seriously, I'm releasing a solo album this year... okay okay, honestly, though, this year I'm going to release it..." and Stevie's off embracing her inner nostalgia act.

Fingers crossed, of course...I'm right there with you.:nod: But for some reason right now I'm jsut thankful we all had SYW.

elie

01-26-2006, 06:21 AM

Speaking of Patti, I wonder what "Dancing Barefoot" would sound like as a Stevie cover...

OOOHH! I would totally love that! And I honestly, honestly think it would be great. Or, like someone else said, Pissing in a River. :p

aleuzzi

01-26-2006, 05:50 PM

No. But, I AM taking all donations. :thumbsup:

Too bad. You're missing out on a great collection of songs.

Ghost_Tracker

01-26-2006, 11:50 PM

I think you phrased this very well and I don't think I could really add to it in a million years, so I'll try. :rolleyes:
I definitely agree with what you're saying, but remember they've been "in the biz" a LONNNNG time and have a lot of Professional Experience now. They also have some VERY expensive, modern musical equipment to play with now (the electronic keyboard, etc.) and some very talented people operating behind the scenes. Plus they have some GREAT backup musicians helping them - Sharon Celani, Jana Anderson, Taku Hirano, etc. - and there's so MANY backup musicians that it sort of "camouflages" Christine's absense. On top of that they have a LOT more time allowed to them than most young bands might; to prepare, work out the kinks, etc.
Having said all of that nonsense - yeah. I agree. :D

Brwn_eyes0511

01-27-2006, 12:09 AM

Plus they have some GREAT backup musicians helping them - Sharon Celani, Jana Anderson, Taku Hirano, etc. - and there's so MANY backup musicians that it sort of "camouflages" Christine's absense.

THIS is the problem!

They are Fleetwood Mac not a f*ckin orchestra!!!

They have turned from a rock band to an overproduced stage circus.

HomerMcvie

01-27-2006, 03:05 AM

THIS is the problem!

They are Fleetwood Mac not a f*ckin orchestra!!!

They have turned from a rock band to an overproduced stage circus.
:wavey: :xoxo: :xoxo: :xoxo:

Oh, yeah..........M*........
PS- I want to KILL the person that DECIDED a band can no longer be 4 or 5 piece.......that it must contain 3 guitar players, 2 keyboard players, and a bevy of backup singers. It's UTTER bull****! :rolleyes: :mad:

Jyqm

01-27-2006, 05:48 AM

PS- I want to KILL the person that DECIDED a band can no longer be 4 or 5 piece.......that it must contain 3 guitar players, 2 keyboard players, and a bevy of backup singers. It's UTTER bull****! :rolleyes: :mad:

Not that there's anything wrong with a Fleetwood Mac with three guitar players... I think that worked out rather well!

chiliD

01-27-2006, 09:34 AM

Not that there's anything wrong with a Fleetwood Mac with three guitar players... I think that worked out rather well!

Well, yeah...especially when they're actual BAND MEMBERS...the "hired gun" mercenaries have to go, though.

SteveMacD

01-27-2006, 11:52 AM

Bring back Billy and Rick!!!

(Sorry, I just really liked "Tare It Up" and "I Loved Another Woman.")

chiliD

01-27-2006, 12:39 PM

Bring back Billy and Rick!!!

My point exactly. With the plethora of ex-Fleetwood Mac guitarists still kickin', why hire guys like Neale & Carlos?

A guitar army of Lindsey with your choice of Billy, Rick, Bob Welch, Dave Mason, or Bob Weston (even add Peter Green, if he's feeling up to it).

Plus, it would expand the available choices for songs to play...in addition to the two Steve mentioned above, resurrect "Hypnotized", "Sentimental Lady", "In The Back Of My Mind", "Rattlesnake Shake"...and, um...well, you know..."OH WELL".

JazmenFlowers

01-27-2006, 12:51 PM

PM me for God sakes...

I'll mail you a copy of the CD myself!
I'm sure you already know this but iTunes has an exclusive acoustic version of Friend.

Brwn_eyes0511

01-27-2006, 01:02 PM

I'm sure you already know this but iTunes has an exclusive acoustic version of Friend.

YESSSSS!

I love it too...very "keyboard" driven.

I do wish Christine would answer her questions that the fans sent in on her website! I believe that some asked what she played on this album, I know it was probably her KX88, but I would like to know the specific MIDI's...just because! :)

HomerMcvie

01-27-2006, 01:46 PM

My point exactly. With the plethora of ex-Fleetwood Mac guitarists still kickin', why hire guys like Neale & Carlos?

A guitar army of Lindsey with your choice of Billy, Rick, Bob Welch, Dave Mason, or Bob Weston (even add Peter Green, if he's feeling up to it).

Plus, it would expand the available choices for songs to play...in addition to the two Steve mentioned above, resurrect "Hypnotized", "Sentimental Lady", "In The Back Of My Mind", "Rattlesnake Shake"...and, um...well, you know..."OH WELL".
You're making me drool(and realize how stupid, and egotistical, they are).:mad:
I seriously doubt Peter would be up for a loooong tour, but how about Bob Welch and Billy. Not only would FM be taking care of their own, but each guy could do a couple of their songs. "I'd" even buy a ticket!!!
I think Rick's out though.....no way is Lindsey gonna let a guy up there, who can blows his doors off!

Brwn_eyes0511

01-27-2006, 01:48 PM

You're making me drool(and realize how stupid, and egotistical, they are).:mad:
I seriously doubt Peter would be up for a loooong tour, but how about Bob Welch and Billy. Not only would FM be taking care of their own, but each guy could do a couple of their songs. "I'd" even buy a ticket!!!
I think Rick's out though.....no way is Lindsey gonna let a guy up there, who can blows his doors off!

You guys are going too far! THAT IS WAY TOO MUCH GUITAR!!!! :lol:

HomerMcvie

01-27-2006, 02:12 PM

You guys are going too far! THAT IS WAY TOO MUCH GUITAR!!!! :lol:
But if they insist on having three, wouldn't you like Hypnotized, and Sentimental Lady thrown in? I sure would.:nod: :nod:

DavidMn

01-27-2006, 02:14 PM

But if they insist on having three, wouldn't you like Hypnotized, and Sentimental Lady thrown in? I sure would.:nod: :nod:I second that!!! Maybe a little Green Manalishi for dessert!:nod:

HomerMcvie

01-27-2006, 02:22 PM

I second that!!! Maybe a little Green Manalishi for dessert!:nod:
And let's not forget Oh Well!:]

DavidMn

01-27-2006, 02:26 PM

And let's not forget Oh Well!:]Hey btw, when all you Christine people rip Stevie for doing Dont Stop, at least she didnt try to do Why....:eek: :lol: I think there might have been a mss riot of Chris' fans here.:lol:

HomerMcvie

01-27-2006, 02:28 PM

Hey btw, when all you Christine people rip Stevie for doing Dont Stop, at least she didnt try to do Why....:eek: :lol: I think there might have been a mss riot of Chris' fans here.:lol:
HERE'S AN IDEA!!! How about letting the backup singers come out and do Chris' songs! Lard knows, they couldn't do any worse.:lol: :lol: :sorry:

chiliD

01-27-2006, 02:32 PM

You guys are going too far! THAT IS WAY TOO MUCH GUITAR!!!! :lol:

"Too much guitar"?? It is not any more guitar than what they've toured with the last two tours.

Just replace Neale Haywood & Carlos Rios with former FMac guitarists...simple as that. Except they get to do two or three of their own tunes.

And, anyway, you can never have "too much guitar". Just like there can never be enough "cow bell". :lol:

DavidMn

01-27-2006, 02:35 PM

"Too much guitar"?? It is not any more guitar than what they've toured with the last two tours.

Just replace Neale Haywood & Carlos Rios with former FMac guitarists...simple as that. Except they get to do two or three of their own tunes.

And, anyway, you can never have "too much guitar". Just like there can never be enough "cow bell". :lol:I'll tell you what, I'm really intrigued about the idea of Bob doing backup guiar and singing a few of his songs, but would Lindsey's ego allow it? I'm not sure what the general feeling is between those 2.

chiliD

01-27-2006, 02:51 PM

I'll tell you what, I'm really intrigued about the idea of Bob doing backup guiar and singing a few of his songs, but would Lindsey's ego allow it? I'm not sure what the general feeling is between those 2.

Well, granted, these days Bob is probably more open to working with Lindsey than vice versa...but you gotta remember, Lindsey DID produce, arrange and play guitar on Bob's biggest hit, the French Kiss version of "Sentimental Lady".

DavidMn

01-27-2006, 02:53 PM

Well, granted, these days Bob is probably more open to working with Lindsey than vice versa...but you gotta remember, Lindsey DID produce, arrange and play guitar on Bob's biggest hit, the French Kiss version of "Sentimental Lady".This is true. Althought Ebony Eyes was MUCH better in my opinion.

jbrownsjr

01-27-2006, 03:11 PM

Well, granted, these days Bob is probably more open to working with Lindsey than vice versa...but you gotta remember, Lindsey DID produce, arrange and play guitar on Bob's biggest hit, the French Kiss version of "Sentimental Lady".

good point, but both you and I know that this doesn't mean anything...
i wish it did.

Villavic

01-27-2006, 05:24 PM

I insist and insist.. they could record an album in England, so the whole lineup would reunited again. I think Chris could join them.

And.. do a "one night only" tour. One show per continent. ;)

Brwn_eyes0511

01-27-2006, 05:36 PM

Gailh

01-28-2006, 02:46 PM

I insist and insist.. they could record an album in England, so the whole lineup would reunited again. I think Chris could join them.

And.. do a "one night only" tour. One show per continent. ;)

I think the problem with the recording bit would be the touring bit.

I doubt if they would let her take part in the recording if she didn't agree to tour.

BUT I've said before I think Lindsey could come and spend a few weeks in the beautiful Kent countryside and Christine could put some vocal and keyboards on 2 or 3 tracks. They could then choose a Christine song to record and he could take the results back to LA to work on. Simple! All it takes is a coalition of the willing.

Gail

dissention

01-28-2006, 06:05 PM

I doubt if they would let her take part in the recording if she didn't agree to tour.

They had no problem doing so when it came to "Time."

amber

01-28-2006, 06:15 PM

They had no problem doing so when it came to "Time."
Yeah but Lindsey wasn't there to crack the whip!
:laugh:

Jyqm

01-28-2006, 07:32 PM

They had no problem doing so when it came to "Time."

No, but Lindsey and Stevie apparently have very different views on the matter than the Time crew. I recall some interview in which Stevie is asked about the issue of Christine recording without touring, and she insists, "but you've got to back it up, if you want to record, you've got to get out there and tour to promote it." Or some such garbage to that effect. Utterly ridiculous coming from a woman who performed all of two new songs on that nearly two year tour. (Of course, the total does jump to a whopping four out of nine if you count the songs she sang once or twice and then decided just weren't working.)