Which of the Five Rumours-Era albums has dated the best?

[SortaSavageLike]

Just a simple question I had idling in my mind...:shrug:

[ontheEdgeof17]

Definately Tusk.

[Jyqm]

I too am gonna have to go with Tusk. Mirage and especially Tango tend to sound a little dated production-wise, as is the fate of most albums released in the 80s. Fleetwood Mac and Rumours meanwhile don't sound dated per se, but their sound is very clearly rooted in mid-70s California pop/rock. Tusk for all its weirdness simply sounds timeless, or at least from a time that doesn't really exist on our linear scale.

[GypsySorcerer]

Tusk sounds the least dated. But even though Tango has not aged well (and possibly the most), I still have a soft spot for it.

[SteveMacD]

Off topic, but of the three albums released in 1992 by Lindsey, John, and Mick, I'd say John's album has aged the best. "Shakin' The Cage" sounded dated within two years. Lindsey's album would probably have aged better if he would have used a real drummer. John's album was straight-forward and didn't take a lot of risks, and as a result, it sounds as good today as when it was released.

[Miss Vicky]

John's album was straight-forward and didn't take a lot of risks, and as a result, it sounds as good today as when it was released.


Which is to say that it doesn't sound good at all today, just like it didn't back then.

:wavey:

Sorry, but Lola Thomas' voice is mediocre at best.

[aleuzzi]

This is a great question! And not an easy answer. I'd say Rumours has dated the least. Even though Tusk is more innovative, and even though I like Tusk as much if not more, those twelve Rumors songs are still as perfectly suited to a pop-radio context as they were then. If "Dreams," for example were released this week instead of twenty-nine years ago, it would still probably crack the top ten.

[Jyqm]

If "Dreams," for example were released this week instead of twenty-nine years ago, it would still probably crack the top ten.

I'd sure love to think so, too, but a glance at the top ten singles from this past week (including entries from Nelly, Beyonce, Chris Brown, Mariah Carey, the Pussycat Dolls, Juelz Santana, D4L, Nickelback, The All-American Rejects and Mary J. Blige) makes me not so sure.

[aleuzzi]

I'd sure love to think so, too, but a glance at the top ten singles from this past week (including entries from Nelly, Beyonce, Chris Brown, Mariah Carey, the Pussycat Dolls, Juelz Santana, D4L, Nickelback, The All-American Rejects and Mary J. Blige) makes me not so sure.


Good point. But you know, I've heard plenty of pop on the radio too: Kelly Clarkson, Bo Brice, Rob Thomas. FM's way better than any of these, but the soft-rock-with-a-kick thing is consistent with a good deal of radio programming. And only a couple years back, didn't the Coors strike it big with a cover of Dreams?

[Angelick Witch]

I was gonna vote, but so many people said "Tusk", I think I need to get to know Tusk a little better before I say anything I might regret later. I don't own Tusk, so I don't know a lot of the more obscure songs on it that well. It's high on that To Do list, though!! :nod:

[HomerMcvie]

I don't own Tusk, so I don't know a lot of the more obscure songs on it that well.
:eek: :distress: :distress: And you call yourself a "fan".;)

[Jyqm]

:eek: :distress: :distress: And you call yourself a "fan".;)

I'm always surprised when folks who are fans of just the Rumours line-up don't own every one of those albums. I mean, come on, kids, there's only five of 'em! Throw in the two live ones and Say You Will and that makes eight, but this isn't like being a Bob Dylan or Neil Young or Elvis Costello or Tom Waits fan!

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I'm always surprised when folks who are fans of just the Rumours line-up don't own every one of those albums. I mean, come on, kids, there's only five of 'em! Throw in the two live ones and Say You Will and that makes eight, but this isn't like being a Bob Dylan or Neil Young or Elvis Costello or Tom Waits fan!

I agree, that is pretty sad.

I'm a fan of every line up...and have all of the albums.

[jbrownsjr]

Off topic, but of the three albums released in 1992 by Lindsey, John, and Mick, I'd say John's album has aged the best. "Shakin' The Cage" sounded dated within two years. Lindsey's album would probably have aged better if he would have used a real drummer. John's album was straight-forward and didn't take a lot of risks, and as a result, it sounds as good today as when it was released.


Shakin the Cage sounds so dated!!! u r so right about this..
and LB's fairlight makes me cringe now

[DavidMn]

Though I prefer Tusk, it's hard to argue what Rumours has done for Fleetwood Mac's career.

[Jyqm]

Though I prefer Tusk, it's hard to argue what Rumours has done for Fleetwood Mac's career.

Ah, but 't was not the question, dear David!

I'm actually surprised that so many people have chosen Rumours, though maybe others are thinking about this question a little differently than I am. But Rumours to me just sounds very 70s to me. This isn't a bad thing, but the album is very much "dated" in the sense that it's very obvious when it was recorded and released. If a band today released Rumours, there would much talk about its "70s California sound." Tusk, on the other hand - if some group released Tusk today, I think most music reviewers would have a very tough time categorizing it in such a way.

[Angelick Witch]

:eek: :distress: :distress: And you call yourself a "fan".;)

*raises hands :shocked:* I'm sorry!! I don't _have_ any money, and I live in _Carlow_. We have three record stores. One has The Very Best Of Fleetwood Mac. One has Greatest Hits and TITN. And TISL. And one has Rumours, Fleetwood Mac, Say You Will, Timespace, and Christine McVie. I'm doing my best here! I'm getting it the next time I'm in Dublin...

[macfan 57]

I'm always surprised when folks who are fans of just the Rumours line-up don't own every one of those albums. I mean, come on, kids, there's only five of 'em! Throw in the two live ones and Say You Will and that makes eight, but this isn't like being a Bob Dylan or Neil Young or Elvis Costello or Tom Waits fan!

There are only 7 albums with the Rumours line-up. Say You Will did NOT have the Rumours line-up.

[chiliD]

I'm always surprised when folks who are fans of just the Rumours line-up don't own every one of those albums. I mean, come on, kids, there's only five of 'em! Throw in the two live ones and Say You Will and that makes eight, but this isn't like being a Bob Dylan or Neil Young or Elvis Costello or Tom Waits fan!

Come ON people...Say You Will is NOT a Rumours-era album!! :mad: And, don't give me the excuse that "well, only Chris is missing", either. Behind The Mask was only missing Lindsey and nobody will fess to THAT being a Rumours era album.

EDIT::sorry: (note to self...read entire thread before replying)

[estranged4life]

the "Fleetwood Mac" album Sounds fine to my ears over "Rumours" & "Tusk"...

[Brwn_eyes0511]

There are only 7 albums with the Rumours line-up. Say You Will did NOT have the Rumours line-up.

Have I told you how much I love you?! :xoxo:

[goldie]

Rumours, in my opinion ...

[shackin'up]

................tusk




by the way, where is " live "???

still one of my faves....

[SteveMacD]

There are only 7 albums with the Rumours line-up. Say You Will did NOT have the Rumours line-up.

On the other hand, the people who are strictly fans of the "Rumours" era, if we're being honest, are typically just fans of Fleetwood Mac with Stevie and Lindsey in it. There are basically five types of Fleetwood Mac fans.

1. Stevie and Lindsey HAVE to be in it ("Rumours" only fans)
2. Peter Green has to be in the band.
3. Everything up to "Tango In The Night" (But then, they seemingly went to hell)
4. Everything up to "Heroes Are Hard To Find" (Stevie killed Fleetwood Mac)
5. It's all good.

Come ON people...Say You Will is NOT a Rumours-era album!! :mad: And, don't give me the excuse that "well, only Chris is missing", either. Behind The Mask was only missing Lindsey and nobody will fess to THAT being a Rumours era album.

But, unlike BTM, the band didn't actually add another member (i.e. Billy Burnette) on SYW. People didn't have to get used to X not being in the band anymore AND Y replacing X.

[Jyqm]

Come ON people...Say You Will is NOT a Rumours-era album!! :mad:

Oh, of course it is. Just as "Long Grey Mare" counts as a "first generation" Fleetwood Mac song, even though John's not on it.

And, don't give me the excuse that "well, only Chris is missing", either. Behind The Mask was only missing Lindsey and nobody will fess to THAT being a Rumours era album.

EDIT::sorry: (note to self...read entire thread before replying)

No, Behind the Mask is "missing" Lindsey and adding two other guitarists/singers/songwriters in his place.

But regardless, my implied point still stands, that a person interested in the Rumours line-up of the band is very likely to be interested in the Say You Will album, as it features 80% of that band, and no one else.

[SortaSavageLike]

There are basically five types of Fleetwood Mac fans.

1. Stevie and Lindsey HAVE to be in it ("Rumours" only fans)
2. Peter Green has to be in the band.
3. Everything up to "Tango In The Night" (But then, they seemingly went to hell)
4. Everything up to "Heroes Are Hard To Find" (Stevie killed Fleetwood Mac)


I wish these people would go away. :lol: :p

[Brwn_eyes0511]

On the other hand, the people who are strictly fans of the "Rumours" era, if we're being honest, are typically just fans of Fleetwood Mac with Stevie and Lindsey in it. There are basically five types of Fleetwood Mac fans.

1. Stevie and Lindsey HAVE to be in it ("Rumours" only fans)
2. Peter Green has to be in the band.
3. Everything up to "Tango In The Night" (But then, they seemingly went to hell)
4. Everything up to "Heroes Are Hard To Find" (Stevie killed Fleetwood Mac)
5. It's all good.


What about those who love everything that includes Christine McVie???...which is ALMOST everything

[Jyqm]

What about those who love everything that includes Christine McVie???...which is ALMOST everything

If one is to follow the logic of Messrs D and MacD, then I believe you would be considered a "Christine McVie fan," but not a "Fleetwood Mac fan."

[SteveMacD]

What about those who love everything that includes Christine McVie???...which is ALMOST everything
If one is to follow the logic of Messrs D and MacD, then I believe you would be considered a "Christine McVie fan," but not a "Fleetwood Mac fan."
Nope. I would put such a fan in the "it's all good" category. If you consider that Christine was on all but three Fleetwood Mac albums ("Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac," "Blue Jam At Chess/In Chicago," and "Live In Boston"), then "it's all good." Christine's playing on "Mr. Wonderful" is probably some of her best...EVER!

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Nope. I would put such a fan in the "it's all good" category. If you consider that Christine was on all but three Fleetwood Mac albums ("Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac," "Blue Jam At Chess/In Chicago," and "Live In Boston"), then "it's all good." Christine's playing on "Mr. Wonderful" is probably some of her best...EVER!

Thanks. ;)

That is exactly how I feel. I LOVE the Mr. Wonderful album...especially for Chris' great blues playing! Blues piano is where Christine has always sparkled...too bad she has never had too many opportunities to show this.

[SteveMacD]

Thanks. ;)

That is exactly how I feel. I LOVE the Mr. Wonderful album...especially for Chris' great blues playing! Blues piano is where Christine has always sparkled...too bad she has never had too many opportunities to show this.
At least after 1976 or so. That's one of the reasons I really enjoyed the "Behind The Mask" tour. Christine showed her chops a bit when they played "Stop Messin' Round."

[Brwn_eyes0511]

At least after 1976 or so. That's one of the reasons I really enjoyed the "Behind The Mask" tour. Christine showed her chops a bit when they played "Stop Messin' Round."

I have no bootlegs from the BTM tour...but I keep hearing about this. :o

[Jyqm]

Nope. I would put such a fan in the "it's all good" category. If you consider that Christine was on all but three Fleetwood Mac albums ("Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac," "Blue Jam At Chess/In Chicago," and "Live In Boston"), then "it's all good." Christine's playing on "Mr. Wonderful" is probably some of her best...EVER!

That's a nice stretch of logic there, Steve-o.

[macfan 57]

What about those who love everything that includes Christine McVie???...which is ALMOST everything

I would put such a fan in the "it's all good" category. If you consider that Christine was on all but three Fleetwood Mac albums ("Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac," "Blue Jam At Chess/In Chicago," and "Live In Boston"), then "it's all good." Christine's playing on "Mr. Wonderful" is probably some of her best...EVER!

Well, put me in that category then. I LOVE her piano on Mr. Wonderful. "Stop Messin' Around" & "Love That Burns" are fantastic & her piano on those 5 tracks that she's plays on is about as good as it gets!

[macfan 57]

I have no bootlegs from the BTM tour...but I keep hearing about this. :o

You've never heard "Stop Messin' Around" from the BTM tour? That was the highlight of the show for me. I'll post it in the Christine forum later today.

[ontheEdgeof17]

You've never heard "Stop Messin' Around" from the BTM tour? That was the highlight of the show for me. I'll post it in the Christine forum later today.

I think he has one by now. I showed him "the mecca" last night. :)

[Villavic]

If dating the best means like timeless, I go for TUsk.
Rumours is the best album in terms of hits, and if you still listen a mac song in radios, it's probably from Rumours. But is kind of 70s shaped (what I find so cool...)

[macfan 57]

I think he has one by now. I showed him "the mecca" last night. :)

Oh well.;) I just posted the Manchester "Stop Messin' Around". If anyone else wants to hear it, it's in the Chris forum.:)

[skcin]

I voted for Tusk. Rumours was a close second, but YMLF & GYOW are pretty dated to the late 70's, IMO. I dig Bobo's argument about Mirage too, but I still have to go with Tusk.

[Angelick Witch]

There are basically five types of Fleetwood Mac fans.

1. Stevie and Lindsey HAVE to be in it ("Rumours" only fans)
2. Peter Green has to be in the band.
3. Everything up to "Tango In The Night" (But then, they seemingly went to hell)
4. Everything up to "Heroes Are Hard To Find" (Stevie killed Fleetwood Mac)
5. It's all good.


You should do _that_ as a poll and see what people start arguing over