Another recycled thread...BTM outtakes [Archive]

chiliD

01-21-2006, 01:32 AM

Damn!

I just revisited the Other Side Of The Mask (the Behind The Mask outtakes) CD.

It still pisses me off that Rick Vito got the short end of the stick when it came to his songwriting contributions to the album. "Stand On The Rock" was by far his weakest tune, yet it MADE the album. Both "Intuition" (which eventually appeared in a much different form on his own King Of Hearts album) and "Got No Home" were far & away much better recordings and even had "hit potential" (something quite lacking with "Stand On The Rock").

Even Billy Burnette's tune "Victim Of Love" was quite catchy.

And, although the BTM version of "In The Back Of My Mind" is consistently in my top 5 ALL-TIME Mac tunes, the quite different outtake on this one (minus the long spacey intro of the final version) makes it almost a toss up as to which version I like better...this version has slightly different lyrics in the bridge. Billy's & Christine's voices really fit well together. Besides the missing intro, Rick Vito's killer guitar solo at the end is missing.

Even Stevie's "Affairs Of The Heart" outtakes become almost catchy on this.

The nearly "dance" type remix of "Save Me" is awesome. And, although the intro is nearly identical to the final version, it sounds crisper & cleaner, with each instrument clearly defineable. Then from there into a quick section that is bass-driven ("John, you're a MONSTER"). I think this version is 10x's better than the BTM version. Christine sings different lyrics and has a slightly different melody line in this one. Rick Vito's guitar tone on the solos & fills is just "buttah".

GarboSpeaks!

01-21-2006, 03:24 AM

Now I gotta go find these and have another listen. I can't place a different Save Me at all, nor In The Back of My Mind. Do I have it and it was overlooked or am I missing something? To the bat cave.......

macfan 57

01-21-2006, 06:57 AM

Except for "Behind The Mask" & "When The Sun Goes Down", I generally prefer the outtake versions to the album versions. I especially LOVE "Intuition" & Billy's "The Game Of Love". I like all of Rick's songs that didn't make the album. He got the shaft.

David

01-21-2006, 11:39 AM

I like all of Rick's songs that didn't make the album. He got the shaft.Rick himself didn't decide which of his songs he wanted on the album?

Miss Vicky

01-21-2006, 08:55 PM

Alas, I haven't heard these. :distress:

foxyluva

01-22-2006, 03:18 PM

i do not have any of these either, could someone post them? :confused:

gldstwmn

01-22-2006, 05:59 PM

Here's Save Me 1:

http://s61.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1H4WM4OJRGKIG292YEGL3P58OZ

Behind The Mask:

http://s61.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3BAK5KH2LN05U2H6O22CFHRVM8

Intuition:

http://s61.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2D7NWTN3D3S6124XSMKMUAVXPV

Affairs Of The Heart 2:

http://s61.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=22A9ZZDFRPZP32FKF8GWE41R0B

In The Back Of My Mind:

http://s61.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=14NW1LJCB8AKM10IW2HX4O6PPT

Hard Feelings:

http://s61.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=04AP3Z2G1SG4G2JV99WGK5AYRN

Do You Know:

http://s23.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1LKX9Z0NHRHYH2701Y1Q6PCMND

Neb-Maat-Re

01-23-2006, 12:00 AM

Thanks for these - I've never heard BTM so outtakes are great - although it sounds possible I could be disappointed by the official versions.

PS: the link for DYK seems to actaully be HFs.

gldstwmn

01-23-2006, 12:15 AM

Thanks for these - I've never heard BTM so outtakes are great - although it sounds possible I could be disappointed by the official versions.

PS: the link for DYK seems to actaully be HFs.

Oops! It's fixed now. I think of these as an interesting alternative to the officially released versions. I quite enjoy them. :)

gldstwmn

01-23-2006, 12:19 AM

Got No Home:

http://s23.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0JRVDZ11OU3350OG6JAC499MID

When It Comes To Love:

http://s23.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1LUNYY4I3QKWC2AA1SN40YMNHL

Affairs Of The Heart 1:

http://s23.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=131JRXHS5HWYC1YCBRRNMANXN0

Victim Of Love:

http://s23.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=36316LM9RA0491AD1D2WCYYRS8

Save Me 2:

http://s23.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0XKMNC1HJ7BDV0H4BBXXBN01AJ

foxyluva

01-23-2006, 03:20 AM

strandinthewind

01-23-2006, 07:14 AM

To this day, I think the record was sabotaged because you'd have to be a horse's a$$ not to recognize the clear superiority of the alt. versions to what went on the final press. I mean really.

chiliD

01-23-2006, 12:27 PM

HomerMcvie

01-23-2006, 12:56 PM

Still, they picked "No Questions Asked" instead? :shocked: :shrug: :distress:
Well, I'm sure you know that many people only buy FM records because of you know who. Better to put a sh*tty song on there by her, than a great song, by some guitar player.

Brwn_eyes0511

01-23-2006, 02:33 PM

Still, they picked "No Questions Asked" instead? :shocked: :shrug: :distress:

And God ONLY knows why....

Neb-Maat-Re

01-23-2006, 03:50 PM

Since I posted this, I've found out (from Rick Vito himself) that "Got No Home" was NOT from the Behind The Mask sessions, it was recorded for consideration as one of the "new" songs for the 1988 Greatest Hits album.

Still, they picked "No Questions Asked" instead? :shocked: :shrug: :distress:

So he got stiffed on that, and his co-credit on "Paper Doll" for GHs.

Sounds like he got a pretty raw deal all the way.

macfan 57

01-23-2006, 04:41 PM

Since I posted this, I've found out (from Rick Vito himself) that "Got No Home" was NOT from the Behind The Mask sessions, it was recorded for consideration as one of the "new" songs for the 1988 Greatest Hits album.

Still, they picked "No Questions Asked" instead? :shocked: :shrug: :distress:

THat's interesting. I just assumed all of those tracks from that bootleg were from the BTM sessions. Of course, Homer got the reason right why they picked "No Questions Asked" instead.;)

chiliD

01-23-2006, 05:00 PM

THat's interesting. I just assumed all of those tracks from that bootleg were from the BTM sessions. Of course, Homer got the reason right why they picked "No Questions Asked" instead.;)

IMO, "Paper Doll" would've been the better choice. (but, then, I don't have a clue what the song sounded like before Lindsey did whatever he did to it):shrug:

macfan 57

01-23-2006, 06:38 PM

IMO, "Paper Doll" would've been the better choice. (but, then, I don't have a clue what the song sounded like before Lindsey did whatever he did to it):shrug:

I agree. I like the version on the Chain Box Set.

foxyluva

01-24-2006, 12:55 AM

Still, they picked "No Questions Asked" instead? :shocked: :shrug: :distress:

I like No Questions Asked, i don't care what anyone says ;)

But i agree that all Rick's songs are better than "Stand On The Rock" - I really can't stand this song.

The outtakes are good, but not BTM, im glad they changed it for the album

HomerMcvie

01-24-2006, 01:00 AM

I like No Questions Asked, i don't care what anyone says ;)

Hey! "No questions asked"(there's no accounting for taste).:lol: :sorry:

foxyluva

01-24-2006, 01:06 AM

Hey! "No questions asked"(there's no accounting for taste).:lol: :sorry:

LOL, im a slut for anything stevie does, so its probably not good to ask me :lol:

Hey, are there any outtakes or demo's for "Freedom"

macfan 57

01-24-2006, 06:58 AM

Hey, are there any outtakes or demo's for "Freedom"

No, none for "Freedom". Most of the outtakes are Chris, Rick & Billy songs.

foxyluva

01-24-2006, 07:12 PM

macfan 57

01-24-2006, 07:34 PM

Thanks Macfan. Im reading on throwndown.net that there are a few more demos/outtakes that werent posted. i'd love to hear the demo for "As long as you follow" - is the demo for No Questions Asked that is on there the one where Stevie sings "No questions asked" at the very beginning?

I'll check my CDs later this evening, but I think I remember one of the outtakes of NQA did have her singing that at the beginning of the song. It sounds familiar to me. Would you like that one too? I'll try to post the outtake of "As Long As You Follow" tomorrow. I have dial-up, so it takes a bit longer to upload, but I should be able to do it tomorrow morning.:)

SteveMacD

01-24-2006, 09:06 PM

So he got stiffed on that, and his co-credit on "Paper Doll" for GHs.

Sounds like he got a pretty raw deal all the way.
Hence why he quit in 1991 :nod:

Which is sad, because from a technical perspective, Vito was the best guitarist the band ever had. Incidentally, to all of the other guitar players out there, did you see the write-up of Vito's new signature Reverand in a recent issue of Guitar Player?

Neb-Maat-Re

01-24-2006, 10:39 PM

Hence why he quit in 1991 :nod:

I'd gotten that impression.

Sorry if it's old news, but what was the underlying issue? Did he just not click with Mick - or anyone else - the way Billy apparently did?

foxyluva

01-25-2006, 02:40 AM

I'll check my CDs later this evening, but I think I remember one of the outtakes of NQA did have her singing that at the beginning of the song. It sounds familiar to me. Would you like that one too? I'll try to post the outtake of "As Long As You Follow" tomorrow. I have dial-up, so it takes a bit longer to upload, but I should be able to do it tomorrow morning.:)

I would love anything you could get me :xoxo: - youre a legend

ThePenguin

01-25-2006, 08:36 AM

I'd gotten that impression.

Sorry if it's old news, but what was the underlying issue? Did he just not click with Mick - or anyone else - the way Billy apparently did?

You can check in his Q&A..but I don't remember that he really wanted to get into the specifics of why he left...:shrug:

-Lis

macfan 57

01-25-2006, 11:39 AM

I would love anything you could get me :xoxo: - youre a legend

Here you go. Here's "As Long As You Follow."

http://s53.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=22MOG6P1GSZUI2VHOVU015ZET1

I tried to upload "No Questions Asked", but I kept getting this alert about entering a secure site. When I clicked on OK, then the page wouldn't load. Then later YouSendIt's website gave me a message about the server being too busy. I'll try to upload "No Questions Asked" later today or tomorrow.:)

chiliD

01-25-2006, 11:53 AM

Incidentally, to all of the other guitar players out there, did you see the write-up of Vito's new signature Reverand in a recent issue of Guitar Player?

Got to play one at the NAMM show in Anaheim last weekend (and talk to Rick for a while, too; while he was hawking is signature model at the Reverend Guitars booth...that's when I found out the scoop about "Got No Home").

While I like the Rick Vito Signature Reverend, A LOT, I think the Slingshot Custom Chrome Elite is more to my personal liking. (it has that third pickup and is a little more sonically versatile than the RV model). And, it's a couple of bucks cheaper. ;)

Reverend Guitars (http://www.reverendguitars.com)

gldstwmn

01-25-2006, 01:38 PM

More Behind The Mask outtakes:

Walk Another Mile:

http://s30.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=391I3K76XI7D33GJ5WCAJFUZP5

The Game Of Love:

http://s30.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1KVL42PVY7MCX0ETKA9Z3XNW88

Last Chance To Rock:

http://s30.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3L8EZK2XIGE8K1ESNUEDXMKXCL

Living Without You:

http://s30.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3EN86Q84OXF450I5RLP06D7ZPP

No Questions Asked 3:

http://s30.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2H9SFAUXMLLVV3DDLFUPDQCK2L

chiliD

01-25-2006, 02:31 PM

That version of "Walk Another Mile" sounds identical to the version on King Of Hearts...is anyone 100% positive that's a Fleetwood Mac recording and not Rick on his own?

"Last Chance To Rock" resurfaced on Rick's Bandbox Boogie album, reworked & retitled "Last Chance To Mambo".

gldstwmn

01-25-2006, 02:33 PM

That version of "Walk Another Mile" sounds identical to the version on King Of Hearts...is anyone 100% positive that's a Fleetwood Mac recording and not Rick on his own?

I don't know. That's what is on my boot. Please let me know if it is the commercially released version so I can take it down.

chiliD

01-25-2006, 02:40 PM

I don't know. That's what is on my boot. Please let me know if it is the commercially released version so I can take it down.

I'll do a better comparison when I get home (I have to play stuff at such a low volume here at work, it is difficult to hear subtleties.)

Neal

01-25-2006, 02:47 PM

And God ONLY knows why....

You rang? :p

'NQA' kicks ass. 'Nuff said. :cool:

DavidMn

01-25-2006, 02:56 PM

And God ONLY knows why....Brandon, I must say I agree with you on No Questions Asked. I cant stand that song, but that's just me.

gldstwmn

01-25-2006, 03:32 PM

You rang? :p

'NQA' kicks ass. 'Nuff said. :cool:

I love NQA 3. :thumbsup:

strandinthewind

01-25-2006, 03:35 PM

I love NQA 3. :thumbsup:

Me too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Brwn_eyes0511

01-25-2006, 03:40 PM

You rang? :p

'NQA' kicks ass. 'Nuff said. :cool:

You are f*ckin nuts!

And I LOVE you for it! :xoxo:

foxyluva

01-25-2006, 04:12 PM

Here you go. Here's "As Long As You Follow."

http://s53.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=22MOG6P1GSZUI2VHOVU015ZET1

I tried to upload "No Questions Asked", but I kept getting this alert about entering a secure site. When I clicked on OK, then the page wouldn't load. Then later YouSendIt's website gave me a message about the server being too busy. I'll try to upload "No Questions Asked" later today or tomorrow.:)

Yay! Thanks soo much, i love this demo :xoxo: i love your avitar by the way, what a gorgeous pic!

macfan 57

01-25-2006, 06:40 PM

i love your avitar by the way, what a gorgeous pic!

Thanks.:) It's an In The Meantime pic.

SteveMacD

01-25-2006, 09:55 PM

Man, I'm really digging the Billy and Rick outtakes. It could have been a completely different beast. Oh well.

SteveMacD

01-26-2006, 12:14 PM

Is it me, or does "Affairs Of The Heart" sound like it may have influenced some of the mid-90s pop fluff, such as "Roll To Me" by Del Amitri?

HollywoodSteve

02-04-2006, 02:26 AM

Doh! Those have all expired! Any chance you can re-do them? I've been wanting to hear these for ages. Thanks in advance if you can :)

UndoingTheLaces

02-04-2006, 04:07 AM

I'm with you. I missed these all first time around. :)

gldstwmn

02-04-2006, 02:27 PM

Doh! Those have all expired! Any chance you can re-do them? I've been wanting to hear these for ages. Thanks in advance if you can :)

I'll try to get some of them re-upped later this afternoon. :)

HollywoodSteve

02-04-2006, 06:01 PM

That would be great, thanks. Those expire fast!

gldstwmn

02-05-2006, 02:54 PM

In The Back Of My Mind:

http://s26.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0A0R9KUA7LH6K1V9RJYKE4X5KG

Hard Feelings:

http://s26.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2KZJZXW3XIXBK20UJBOT9I7QYU

Do You Know:

http://s26.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2VZ6HJUPNF4QU0GENUCEP5DB2C

Behind The Mask:

http://s26.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0KIIK81QVP5A60FAZIWIQY2AOM

Save Me:

http://s26.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=10E1C29TYW9KD2DMYWUE42MV1X

When It Comes To Love:

http://s26.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1F0MO8WPO5KEE1TAOWD2L3RKWH

Behind The Mask 2:

http://s26.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=01SK2PH0312580HL0RV5DUSWOM

Got No Home:

http://s26.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0VZ5ES0E1RXCY31BR1YUS0EIMZ

Walk Another Mile:

http://s26.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0M5O8Y6IXHP053C0GIXLOJVPTS

Intuition:

http://s26.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=36EXPU9PXGF2M1EKYUWN2M3KTG

FM Demo instrumental:

http://s13.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=15FQV0RVGLHPT2I925P60UHDGU

FM Demo instrumental 2:

http://s26.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2706K9VT3PV0O3GE4QCAUYHGUT

FM Demo instrumental 3:

http://s26.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1K2ZGHAQT6TS33RPWOMPKKJFZP

FM Demo instrumental 4:

http://s26.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3IDBYWMT5BFNL33ALQYHAZPL3Z

Behind The Mask 3:

http://s26.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2C3V5V6V85CW71WWWKFEIOG4ZI

Stand On The Rock:

http://s26.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3DR5HH1UOIUGF0U4H1W1HETVUD

Hard Feelings:

http://s26.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2OEAJ153X3SFO21FK5VPTOW01F

Affairs Of The Heart:

http://s26.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0IOC56OZKLVMY21E2ALUXHXSGT

gldstwmn

02-05-2006, 03:51 PM

I will post the second half of the BTM outtakes later this afternoon. :wavey:

HomerMcvie

02-05-2006, 04:24 PM

I will post the second half of the BTM outtakes later this afternoon. :wavey:
Thanks.
Are you aware that Intuition, and the first instrumental download, BOTH bring up the file Intuition?

gldstwmn

02-05-2006, 04:25 PM

Thanks.
Are you aware that Intuition, and the first instrumental download, BOTH bring up the file Intuition?

Woops! I'll fix that right now.

gldstwmn

02-05-2006, 06:34 PM

Do You Know 2:

http://s27.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1PCAQEO0SKAPA1SJ914H384S8S

Save Me 2:

http://s27.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2ET9HMONBM64T2Y4Y2O1V484Y1

Affairs Of The Heart 2:

http://s27.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2IWUR2S38K0X23JC3BZL0B3RPK

Living Without You:

http://s27.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=16R1DGFVL7ID61MGQCF3CRLRTH

Last Chance To Rock:

http://s27.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1YA3F99ZHEVWN3ATQ8H6UM3WRG

Behind The Mask 4:

http://s27.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=01Q7OIRNL0A5T2UIUR8VRBIJ31

As Long As You Follow:

http://s27.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=39FCBDJ63RYMV0M0QXWCM8ZKBK

No Questions Asked:

http://s7.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3SPZBL58LNNTN36ZLICX1L1EJO

No Questions Asked 2:

http://s7.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3CS0NW2H7LU7V2BCUB3IY8J7BF

No Questions Asked 3:

http://s7.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=13J1WLJKXZK1B13SA05T5MDXIS

In The Back Of My Mind 2:

http://s7.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=08QKEV1N7GWCF0KWEPQPN89PVA

Victim Of Love:

http://s7.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0F4KUQR05FRAC1KDIWBFOM3Q3C

In The Back Of My Mind 3:

http://s7.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0PFU28GUD9NKS1363QBEBBG4CS

The Game Of Love:

http://s7.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0R7BZSYOSXR4K2R5BD6HHYU42Q

Save Me 3:

http://s7.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0XZUIYZW6HV2S1B9P3QV0UFM6K

When The Sun Goes Down:

http://s12.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0IDJGWEDKV1W53F3SIK5Q0ERYZ

UndoingTheLaces

02-05-2006, 06:52 PM

Thank you very much for posting these. They are awesome! I really appreciate it. :)

gldstwmn

02-05-2006, 08:40 PM

Thank you very much for posting these. They are awesome! I really appreciate it. :)

You're very welcome. They're all posted now so enjoy! :wavey:

HollywoodSteve

02-06-2006, 02:28 AM

Thanks from me as well. Great stuff!

Phoenix

02-19-2006, 11:10 PM

Oh no They are all expired! I love Intuition, it is one of my favorites off of king of hearts. I Don't really venture out of the Stevie section very often but when I heard about BTM outtakes I got brave! Any chance of yet again re posting, (who couldn't LOVE Save me and In the back of my mind!) Please.........?