Grace Slick vs Ms Nicks.

[goldustsongbird]

I got a copy of the Jefferson Airplane bio "Got a Revolution!", by Jeff Tamarkin last night, and of course, you know the first thing I did was check the index for any mention of Stevie or the Mac. They weren't listed, but I did come across this quote by David Crosby about Grace's onstage presence:

When they got Grace in the band, that was just beyond belief. She was stunning. She had a power and intensity onstage that Stevie Nicks should only ever dream she could get. With Marty she was like a bullfighter with a bull. She would circle him and dart at him and pull from him and electrify him and touch him with bare wire. And Marty rose to the occasion

I don't know what year that was in, but what do you think? I've always thought Grace kicked serious ass, onstage and off, and she is captivating, but not in the same way as Stevie. Actually, I couldn't even imagine her doing anything like that-- she would probably rather gouge her eyes out with one of those "Jefferson Airplane Loves You!" pins, than twirl around in a shawl and boots. :rolleyes: Thoughts?

[cliffdweller]

I don't know what year that was in, but what do you think? I've always thought Grace kicked serious ass, onstage and off, and she is captivating, but not in the same way as Stevie. Actually, I couldn't even imagine her doing anything like that-- she would probably rather gouge her eyes out with one of those "Jefferson Airplane Loves You!" pins, than twirl around in a shawl and boots. :rolleyes: Thoughts?


Pffft! Exactly. I love Grace Slick. She's crazier than bat**** but I think that's why I love her. She's alright in my book. She's one of my favorite female vocalists ever.

[dissention]

I find it accurate. Grace Slick is unparalleled when compared to other "female rockers" if you ask me (actually, I think she's on par with Joplin). I've got tons of old Airplane bootlegs and she's absolutely ****ing riveting based on that voice alone. She grabs you by the balls and roughs you up. Some of that old footage of Grace is beyond words. One major difference between the two is that Stevie was very feminine in practically every aspect, Grace was not and that led to very different performances.

[DavidMn]

I find it accurate. Grace Slick is unparalleled when compared to other "female rockers" if you ask me (actually, I think she's on par with Joplin). I've got tons of old Airplane bootlegs and she's absolutely ****ing riveting based on that voice alone. She grabs you by the balls and roughs you up. Some of that old footage of Grace is beyond words. One major difference between the two is that Stevie was very feminine in practically every aspect, Grace was not and that led to very different performances.I've never seen some of thses old performances.Based on your opininon, it might not be a bad idea for me to do so.:)

[JazmenFlowers]

I don't think the 2 should really be compared. I'm not familiar enough with Grace Slick to really even add my 2 cents, but from what I have seen of Grace, I'm not really impressed with and I mean that with humility and love. ;)

No, honestly though, I like Stevie because her music and lyrics connect with me and her voice is so moving. The little I have heard of Grace sounds like nails on a chalkboard. Maybe I need to educate myself in the world of Graceland...

And I agree with Diss, that Stevie is kind of like Cinderella (the emotional, ultra-fem) and Grace is more a step-sister (skoal-chewing, man fighting).

ok, maybe I took liberty with his comments...so, sue me

oh, and by the way, no one, I don't give a damn, will ever have more intensity and power than Stevie during her Rhiannon and Gold Dust Woman heydays - what does David Crosby know anyway? Well, you know what, I won't go there...

[goldustsongbird]

Pffft! Exactly. I love Grace Slick. She's crazier than bat**** but I think that's why I love her. She's alright in my book. She's one of my favorite female vocalists ever.

Yeah, she's one crazy mofo, that Grace. Me love her long time. ;)

[jannieC]

One major difference between the two is that Stevie was very feminine in practically every aspect, Grace was not and that led to very different performances.
I absolutely agree with this.


I have never even thought to compare the two though, because to me the music is so different. Personally, I don't like as many Jefferson Airplane songs as I do Fleetwood Mac or Stevie songs, but that's just me.

[cliffdweller]

what does David Crosby know anyway? Well, you know what, I won't go there...

Nothing. But Grace WAS intense, make no mistake about that. Stevie was intense too but she didn't have the crazy-stink-eye like Grace :laugh:. Grace was scary intense, kinda like she might cut you in a dark alley if the mood struck her :laugh:.

[goldustsongbird]

I find it accurate. Grace Slick is unparalleled when compared to other "female rockers" if you ask me (actually, I think she's on par with Joplin). I've got tons of old Airplane bootlegs and she's absolutely ****ing riveting based on that voice alone. She grabs you by the balls and roughs you up. Some of that old footage of Grace is beyond words. One major difference between the two is that Stevie was very feminine in practically every aspect, Grace was not and that led to very different performances.

I don't know if they could really be compared fairly, Stevie and Grace. They have different dynamics... I'd put her up tere with Janis, too. I love the strength behind her voice. Stevie's got the voice, but she's so much more airy-fairy than Grace. That's one thing I've always liked about Grace, she doesn't take **** from anyone.

JA boots, eh? I'm drooling.

[dissention]

Maybe I need to educate myself in the world of Graceland...


A good CD for her stuff is "The Best of Grace Slick" if you haven't heard a whole lot of it. It doesn't include the stuff I would have included on it, but it's a good starting point. Based on studio tracks alone, Stevie's never recorded anything as intensely brutal and vocally filthy as Grace did with "Wrecking Ball." The song's not her greatest, but christ, what a performance.

[DavidMn]

A good CD for her stuff is "The Best of Grace Slick" if you haven't heard a whole lot of it. It doesn't include the stuff I would have included on it, but it's a good starting point. Based on studio tracks alone, Stevie's never recorded anything as intensely brutal and vocally filthy as Grace did with "Wrecking Ball." The song's not her greatest, but christ, what a performance.I'm guessing there are some sexual references in it?

[goldustsongbird]

No, honestly though, I like Stevie because her music and lyrics connect with me and her voice is so moving. The little I have heard of Grace sounds like nails on a chalkboard.

I was thinking about that as I read it. I've never heard Grace once sing a song that made me go, "Oh, wow, that's so beautifully poetic!" Not that that's a bad thing. It's just not her style. I think she's got a strong voice, though. I think that's evident in nearly every song.

[BombaySapphire3]

I've never seen Grace on stage her, prime was before I was old enough to go to shows.I do believe she had a great stage presence more riveting than Nicks in her prime which I have seen ?:shrug: I'm not in a position to judge.I do think out of all the women in rock she was more a direct precursor to Nicks than Joplin was .She even wore very witchy looking clothes and capes on occasion as well.Vocally, as one critic back in the the day put it both women had unique voices and 'sounded like some deep sea creature".As far as songwriting goes I'd have to give it to Nicks ,even Grace's 2 big Summer of Love hits weren't penned by her alone.Stevie had more of a sense for hooks and melody and was consistent for far longer.I do love Grace though and her like will never be seem again.

[dissention]

I don't know if they could really be compared fairly, Stevie and Grace. They have different dynamics...

True. They're both very different animals.

I'd put her up tere with Janis, too. I love the strength behind her voice. Stevie's got the voice, but she's so much more airy-fairy than Grace. That's one thing I've always liked about Grace, she doesn't **** from anyone.

You should see the Dick Cavett DVD set that came out over the summer. Grace doesn't care that she's on TV and shouts "Up against the wall, mother****ers!!" :laugh:

JA boots, eh? I'm drooling.

Can you download from Dime? They usually have some really great stuff on there. The old versions of "Somebody To Love" were spectacular. Each one was so different from the last.

[jadegypsy]

Well comparing them is a bit like comparing apples and oranges, they are so very different. But voice wise I'd say Grace hits and holds some notes that Stevie never will (not necessairly high notes...) Sorry guys but hearing her belt out Somebody to Love Live is pretty awesome.

As for intensity, Grace is awesome when she's not being TV filmed, Monterrey POP is a great clip to see her in, but the Fly video though good is not Grace at her best, she isn't a great TV persona. I wasn't around to see either of then in their "hey days" but my Dad saw Grace several times and she was one of the best performers he ever saw (and he saw them all including Joplin). Unfortunatly for Grace I often feel she gets overlooked in the rock category. And yes I'll agree that I would never want to meet her in a dark alley, although her book is a hoot, she is SO blunt with such take no sh*t attitude.

I do love Stevie as well, and live she is great, but a completely different type of intensity more one of emotion and bittersweetness, she doesn't have the "rip you heart out" intensity, even in the older boots I've seen from her.

[goldustsongbird]

You should see the Dick Cavett DVD set that came out over the summer. Grace doesn't care that she's on TV and shouts "Up against the wall, mother****ers!!" :laugh:

:lol: I wouldn't expect anything less..


Can you download from Dime? They usually have some really great stuff on there. The old versions of "Somebody To Love" were spectacular. Each one was so different from the last.

I signed up for a Dime account last weekend, but never got the confirmation email. I'm slightly leery about it, anyway... Just call me Fox Mulder when it comes to downloading from clients.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Well, I didn't even know who Grace Slick was until three days ago...:shrug:

[goldustsongbird]

But voice wise I'd say Grace hits and holds some notes that Stevie never will (not necessairly high notes...) Sorry guys but hearing her belt out Somebody to Love Live is pretty awesome.


I agree. Her range and ability to hold a note is superior to Stevie's. The woman can belt it out! Not that Stevie can't, but as you said... Oranges and apples.

[dissention]

I signed up for a Dime account last weekend, but never got the confirmation email. I'm slightly leery about it, anyway... Just call me Fox Mulder when it comes to downloading from clients.

Oh, it's perfectly safe, trust me. :nod: The software makes it so that you can't get viruses or anything other than the files you want to download.

[goldustsongbird]

Well, I didn't even know who Grace Slick was until three days ago...:shrug:

:shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

:shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked:

Yea I know...NO CLUE!

In terms of the NAME...Stevie has her beat...:lol:

[goldustsongbird]

Oh, it's perfectly safe, trust me. :nod: The software makes it so that you can't get viruses or anything other than the files you want to download.

I can't remember if it was you who told me about this, or someone else on here, but isn't there something about having to open certain ports on your comp to download?

[jannieC]

Did anyone see the interview with Grace where she said something along the lines of middle aged women not getting up on stage- that they shouldn't do that- it's not sexy...something to that effect. It was kind of funny but a bit insulting to the "middle-aged" women who are doing just that (and doing it very well, btw).

[goldustsongbird]

Yea I know...NO CLUE!

In terms of the NAME...Stevie has her beat...:lol:

You know, if you weren't a Chris fan, you'd be in a lot of trouble with me right now. :p

[dissention]

She's crazier than bat****

You'd have to be to release "Manhole" as your first solo album. And to tell the press that your going to name your firstborn child God at that time. And to plot slipping Nixon LSD. :laugh:

I was thinking about that as I read it. I've never heard Grace once sing a song that made me go, "Oh, wow, that's so beautifully poetic!" Not that that's a bad thing. It's just not her style. I think she's got a strong voice, though. I think that's evident in nearly every song.

Really? I think "Eskimo Blue Day" is. And "Rejoyce." And "Lather." And "Greasy Heart." They wrote about such different things, though.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

You know, if you weren't a Chris fan, you'd be in a lot of trouble with me right now. :p


ohhhhh thank god! ;)

I'm just not that knowledgeable on "female rockers"...they never have been my "thing"...hence the Chris love more than the Stevie love. I like the girly girls...:o

[dissention]

I can't remember if it was you who told me about this, or someone else on here, but isn't there something about having to open certain ports on your comp to download?

I don't remember, but it's very easy. This website guides you step by step. :nod:

http://www.portforward.com/routers.htm

[goldustsongbird]

Really? I think "Eskimo Blue Day" is. And "Rejoyce." And "Lather." And "Greasy Heart." They wrote about such different things, though.

:xoxo: I love Greasy Heart. I think I'm going to have to listen to it now.

[goldustsongbird]

ohhhhh thank god! ;)

I'm just not that knowledgeable on "female rockers"...they never have been my "thing"...hence the Chris love more than the Stevie love. I like the girly girls...:o

We're exact opposites, you and I! I make acceptions for the girly's every so often... Chris and Stevie, obviously, but I do love rocker chicks. I've never been into the glammed glossy dolls. What it comes down to, though, is attitude.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

We're exact opposites, you and I! I make acceptions for the girly's every so often... Chris and Stevie, obviously, but I do love rocker chicks. I've never been into the glammed glossy dolls. What it comes down to, though, is attitude.

I like sweet love songs from cute little british pianists...:cool:

[ontheEdgeof17]

I like sweet love songs from cute little british pianists...:cool:

Elton John?

[goldustsongbird]

I like sweet love songs from cute little british pianists...:cool:

Who wouldn't? :D I think it's kind of weird that I should like Chris, actually, seeing as I'm also not a fan of love songs. But with that voice, who cares? I'd listen to her read out of a phonebook.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Elton John?

I said cute sweety...not bloated cows!!!! :lol:

[BombaySapphire3]

Did anyone see the interview with Grace where she said something along the lines of middle aged women not getting up on stage- that they shouldn't do that- it's not sexy...something to that effect. It was kind of funny but a bit insulting to the "middle-aged" women who are doing just that (and doing it very well, btw).
I think that exact quote was that old people have no place on a rock and roll stage.In her book there is a picture of her in 1992 with a caption that reads 'a middle aged person on a rock and rock and roll stage".I'm somewhat inclined to agree with her .I think they would have to pay me $2,ooo to sit in the first 5 rows at a Rolling Stones concert these days.:lol:

[David]

I've never seen Grace on stage her, prime was before I was old enough to go to shows.I didn't see Grace perform in her prime, either, so I'm not sure I can judge. But I did see Mr. Bruce Springsteen play the Los Angeles Sports Arena on the River Tour in 1980 or so, & that performance remains in my mind the greatest rock performance of my time.

[JazmenFlowers]

...all around, black ink darkness...

[JWS]

Grace Slick is now an accomplished artist and has a gallery of her work in Sausolito, CA (oddly, the very town where Rumours was recorded)

[Richard B]

Yes, Grace Slick's art is wonderful. She did a portrait of Janis Joplin that is amazing. I had the weird pleasure of meeting Grace on BART no less! Too funny.

She has a great voice but seeing some of her video footage and audio, especially after the heyday was not great. She was boozed so bad she couldn't even sing.

[dissention]

She has a great voice but seeing some of her video footage and audio, especially after the heyday was not great. She was boozed so bad she couldn't even sing.

Sounds exactly like someone else we know.

How about those two concerts in Germany in '78? "We won the fukcing war!" :laugh: Her boozing was so bad and she went off so badly on them that she quit the band for a year.

And that's awesome that you met her. Did she have her long white hair yet?

[Richard B]

Sounds exactly like someone else we know.

How about those two concerts in Germany in '78? "We won the fukcing war!" :laugh: Her boozing was so bad and she went off so badly on them that she quit the band for a year.

And that's awesome that you met her. Did she have her long white hair yet?
Haha. Touché. Although I have never seen Stevie as bad as that...although it might exist.

It was cool to meet her. Her hair was colored and longish. This was about 6 years ago (if I remember right). She's a sweetie. I thought it was cool that she was on the crowded train...it wasn't BART actually but the SF Muni train. I couldn't believe it. She and I were shoved against each other and I wasn't 100% sure it was her...but I was pretty sure so I whispered in her ear "does white rabbit mean anything to you?" I wanted to keep it low key and she loved that I did that.

[GODDESS6]

Pffft! Exactly. I love Grace Slick. She's crazier than bat**** but I think that's why I love her. She's alright in my book. She's one of my favorite female vocalists ever.
i love grace too, i have an old b & w photo autographed by her where she is flipping off he camera & she signed it "autograph this" grace slick~ stevie is still my #1 fav & i could never imagine stevie having a drunkin' "who won the war" night, grace is the freakin' bomb, i love her very much!!!~

[goldustsongbird]

i love grace too, i have an old b & w photo autographed by her where she is flipping off he camera & she signed it "autograph this"

:laugh:

She'd probably sign this picture the same way:
http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/20/lmaohalloffame1cg.jpg

[GODDESS6]

:laugh:

She'd probably sign this picture the same way:
http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/20/lmaohalloffame1cg.jpg
omg, that is soooo damn funny!!!~ I LUV, LUV IT!!!:eek: :lol: :nod: ~

[dissention]

:laugh:

She'd probably sign this picture the same way:
http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/20/lmaohalloffame1cg.jpg

Someone PLEASE photoshop the watermark out for me. I'll be your BFF.

[dissention]

It was cool to meet her. Her hair was colored and longish. This was about 6 years ago (if I remember right). She's a sweetie. I thought it was cool that she was on the crowded train...it wasn't BART actually but the SF Muni train. I couldn't believe it. She and I were shoved against each other and I wasn't 100% sure it was her...but I was pretty sure so I whispered in her ear "does white rabbit mean anything to you?" I wanted to keep it low key and she loved that I did that.

Man, I would've have died. Cool beans. What I wouldn't give for her to come out of retirement for a night.

[goldustsongbird]

Someone PLEASE photoshop the watermark out for me. I'll be your BFF.

There's a similar pic in the book. It's black and white, but there's no watermark. Want me to scan it for ya?

[dissention]

There's a similar pic in the book. It's black and white, but there's no watermark. Want me to scan it for ya?

Her autobiography? I have that somewhere, but I'm packing all kinds of stuff up right now, so sure! I'd love to have it. :xoxo:

[goldustsongbird]

Her autobiography? I have that somewhere, but I'm packing all kinds of stuff up right now, so sure! I'd love to have it. :xoxo:

Nope, the Airplane bio. I don't have her autobiography... wish I did. :eek:
Here's the pic: http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/2275/img0528rq.th.jpg (http://img300.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0528rq.jpg)

it didn't really scan as well as I'd expected, but I hope it'll do. I'm scanning a few other pics from the book, too. There's some good stuff in there!

[dissention]

Nope, the Airplane bio. I don't have her autobiography... wish I did. :eek:
Here's the pic: http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/2275/img0528rq.th.jpg (http://img300.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0528rq.jpg)

it didn't really scan as well as I'd expected, but I hope it'll do. I'm scanning a few other pics from the book, too. There's some good stuff in there!

Thank you!!!!!! I'm going to shrink it, print it out, and tape it to the door of my new apartment. I need something to christen it and this will totally do the job. :laugh:

[goldustsongbird]

Thank you!!!!!! I'm going to shrink it, print it out, and tape it to the door of my new apartment. I need something to christen it and this will totally do the job. :laugh:

LMAO! Yep, that'll do it. Okay, here's a nice one....

http://img462.imageshack.us/img462/4474/img0546ni.th.jpg (http://img462.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0546ni.jpg)

[dissention]

LMAO! Yep, that'll do it. Okay, here's a nice one....

http://img462.imageshack.us/img462/4474/img0546ni.th.jpg (http://img462.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0546ni.jpg)

I love that one, too! Damn, I have to go look up some old photos of Grace. I've got some photos of her at Woodstock that I bought in a record shop years ago that are fab, but I've no idea where the heck they are.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Thank you!!!!!! I'm going to shrink it, print it out, and tape it to the door of my new apartment. I need something to christen it and this will totally do the job. :laugh:

Ok, Josh...so you are moving?

Well, you get a FRESH NEW START with your doors...come on now...let's not tacky this one up like the last! ;)

[elie]

I am repying to the first post a bit late, but I don't think that the two of them (Grace and Stevie) should be compared. I mean, they could, since they are both female rock singers, but I believe they are completely different and not just because Stevie is so feminine. It's the songs, the way of singing everything that is different. Like someone else said earlier, I would most likely compare Grace to Janice Joplin.
Now that I think about it, I am not really sure that I could compare Stevie to anyone, at least of that era. IMO, she brought a whole new style , in an era where female singers had to be either political and strong or not-so-feminine (like Joan Baez or Grace) in order to stand out in an onviously man-centered rock world, or too mellow and romantic (like Karen Carpenter perhaps?). What was new about Stevie was that she was not even a combination of the two, she went far beyond that.
By the way, in another thread I said that sometimes Stevie reminds me unintentionally of Marianne Faithfull, but I meant especially in terms of self-destruction and drug use (and how their voices used to be so beautiful when they were young and then wrecked by drugs). But I seriously think that M.F. , even though today is recognised as a significant performer, could have only dreamed of being as big/inspired/captivating/genuine as Stevie in the late 70's (and that comes from a M.F. fan).

[Angel69]

Grace Slick -vs- Stevie Nicks


STEVIE NICKS

But what's the use in comparing them. Stevie has had a much longer run in the spotlight, is way way hotter, written better songs, and is the more powerful performer of the two without resorting to flashing her tits, using profanity and flipping the bird. Grace's comment about middle age rockers ...well speak for yourself honey. It gets embarrasing when they act like they did 20 or so years ago, which Stevie does not. One day there will be a time when we cant see the older artists perform, so until then they should stay out there. Imagine telling Stevie, Bonnie, Paul, Billy, Tom and all the others that your to old to perform.

[dissention]

Imagine telling Stevie, Bonnie, Paul, Billy, Tom and all the others that your to old to perform.

I wouldn't mind seeing half of them stop performing on stage. Namely Billy Joel, Stevie Nicks, and Paul McCartney.

[dissention]

Ok, Josh...so you are moving?

To an apartment on a lower floor in the same building.

Well, you get a FRESH NEW START with your doors...come on now...let's not tacky this one up like the last! ;)

All the **** I've got on my door now is moving right along with me.

[JazmenFlowers]

I wouldn't mind seeing half of them stop performing on stage. Namely Billy Joel, Stevie Nicks, and Paul McCartney.
man, that really bums me when I hear people talk like this. I mean, it's your opinion, that's fine, but the thought of Stevie stopping...I can't even think about it

[Richard B]

And for you Grace Slick fans...here's a nice gallery that has some of her art collection. She is quite good. I think I prefer her as a painter more than a singer.
Slick Gallery (http://gallery-319.com/slick.html)

http://gallery-319.com/images/Slick/large_images/Janis.jpg
http://gallery-319.com/images/Slick/large_images/Mistress%20Voice.jpg

[goldustsongbird]

I love that one, too! Damn, I have to go look up some old photos of Grace. I've got some photos of her at Woodstock that I bought in a record shop years ago that are fab, but I've no idea where the heck they are.

Awesome! if you ever come across them, I'd love to see 'em.

[goldustsongbird]

Imagine telling Stevie, Bonnie, Paul, Billy, Tom and all the others that your to old to perform.

Bonnie Raitt?

[Richard B]

Imagine telling Stevie, Bonnie, Paul, Billy, Tom and all the others that your to old to perform.
I think it's so much harder for the women. Men can keep going on without much fuss. I wouldn't even put Paul or Tom on the list.

But there are some women who do and will go on.

[dontlookdown]

i saw Grace with Jefferson Starship and I have to say, her presence on stage was a little shticky for my taste.
She was great in her time, and I'm sure Crosby was high as a kite when he made the comparison.
Stevie had a lot more in common with Janis Joplin on stage -

I like David Crosby's singing on Street Angel.

[dissention]

Stevie had a lot more in common with Janis Joplin on stage -


I've always found comments like that to be a bunch of phooey and nothing more.

[jadegypsy]

Actually I always read Graces comment about middle age rockers as to relating more to her "eras" rockers. And in some cases I agree with her, alot of the songs that were written during that time leave a bit to be desired when sung by middle aged people (imagine the Doors touring middle aged:eek: ). Minus the Stones I don't think there is any 60's group that I would want to see live right now...As for Grace even if she were still performing I could only think of seeing her out of curiosity and for a reasonable price, her songs just aren't ment for an older person to be singing them, they HAVE to be sung by a younger person, think about it does a 50 year old singing White Rabbit Sombody to Love or We Can Be Together (up against the wall motherf****) really appeal?

Stevie on the other hand is lucky in that her songs don't need to be sung by a younger person, however that has it's drawbacks as well, none of her songs defined an age, the way a couple of Graces did. But I don't think one way is better then the other, just different.

[aleuzzi]

i saw Grace with Jefferson Starship and I have to say, her presence on stage was a little shticky for my taste.
She was great in her time, and I'm sure Crosby was high as a kite when he made the comparison.
Stevie had a lot more in common with Janis Joplin on stage -

I like David Crosby's singing on Street Angel.


I too saw Jefferson Starship in 1983 (Winds of Change tour I think?) and she sounded fabulous, her stage presence was strong but, for all that, she didn't have half the originality as Stevie. Don't get me wrong, I do love Grace and her fabulous, off-the-wall persona. I could listen to "Fast Buck Fredddie" all day, just to hear that amazing tremolo. But she's hardly a songwriter to speak of and her "contribution" to Jefferson Starship always seemed commercially calculated in a way that damaged her reputation as the "It" girl of summer 1968.

I came too this post very late but I read through it and was surprised that no one mentioned the obvious disdain Slick has shown for Nicks over the years. Though FM toured with JS in 75, the VH1 "Women in Rock" special that aired a few years back reveals Slick can barely tolerate Nicks. When Nicks was being honored in (I think) the number 15 spot, Grace delivered a brfief but biting remark: "Oh, Stevie Nicks, the Magical witch." Her voice dripped with sarcasm and disdain. It was funny but also disrespectful--one of the things I love aboout Grace. I just didn't think she'd earned the right to criticize Nicks whose contributions to rock have been consistently remarkable.

[dissention]

But she's hardly a songwriter to speak of

I speak and say she is. Different strokes for different folks, I suppose.

I came too this post very late but I read through it and was surprised that no one mentioned the obvious disdain Slick has shown for Nicks over the years. Though FM toured with JS in 75, the VH1 "Women in Rock" special that aired a few years back reveals Slick can barely tolerate Nicks. When Nicks was being honored in (I think) the number 15 spot, Grace delivered a brfief but biting remark: "Oh, Stevie Nicks, the Magical witch." Her voice dripped with sarcasm and disdain. It was funny but also disrespectful--one of the things I love aboout Grace.

One remark about Stevie and it's "obvious disdain for Nicks over the years"? The comment in question is nothing as you describe. In Stevie's segment, Grace was shown saying "Oh, the witch, the magic witch, I love her." Hardly biting or disdainful, and I heard not a hint of sarcasm in it. Why would VH1 include a disdainful remark in a special that's celebrating the women of rock and roll? I think you're reading too much into it just because Grace is a salty bitch. If I remember correctly, that interview took place after Grace contributed to the Crow: City of Angels soundtrack and Hole's version of Gold Dust Woman was brought up.

I just didn't think she'd earned the right to criticize Nicks whose contributions to rock have been consistently remarkable.

Are you serious? Forget for a moment that there would be no Stevie Nicks without Grace Slick (and Joplin) pioneering the role of the "female rocker" and look at Stevie's contributions over the years. If anyone can call them consistent & remarkable with a straight face, they shall get a sugar cookie.

[tommer]

i find grace slick's comments about mature artists to be rather dumb, and i highly suspect that they are driven by her inability to maintain her own singing career in later years.
fans of artists like mccartney, debbie harry, and (even) stevie have good reasons to keep pleased with what they're still getting, on the other hand, grace slick's last years in commercial recording (exhibit a: We Built This City) were indeed something to keep one embarrassed about for years.
grace had tons of attitude and abilities, but nothing much to back it up in other aspects; she couldn't break free from her own "fleetwood mac", record her own "bella donna", and recreate a significant musical/iconic impact in her own right.
what i find interesting is how she didn't manage to consolidate a proper recognition to her contribution to rock's evolution, stevie, on the other hand, seems to be obsessed by those efforts in the last few years.
in a way, grace slick is like those chinese that sailed to america; history is being written by winners, and janis became the Columbus.

[aleuzzi]

I speak and say she is. Different strokes for different folks, I suppose.



One remark about Stevie and it's "obvious disdain for Nicks over the years"? The comment in question is nothing as you describe. In Stevie's segment, Grace was shown saying "Oh, the witch, the magic witch, I love her." Hardly biting or disdainful, and I heard not a hint of sarcasm in it. Why would VH1 include a disdainful remark in a special that's celebrating the women of rock and roll? I think you're reading too much into it just because Grace is a salty bitch. If I remember correctly, that interview took place after Grace contributed to the Crow: City of Angels soundtrack and Hole's version of Gold Dust Woman was brought up.



Are you serious? Forget for a moment that there would be no Stevie Nicks without Grace Slick (and Joplin) pioneering the role of the "female rocker" and look at Stevie's contributions over the years. If anyone can call them consistent & remarkable with a straight face, they shall get a sugar cookie.


Wow, two people saw the same VH1 moment and read it differently. Yes I was serious. I saw a lot of sarcasm and disrepspect there. But if you did not, oh well.

[JazmenFlowers]

Wow, two people saw the same VH1 moment and read it differently. Yes I was serious. I saw a lot of sarcasm and disrepspect there. But if you did not, oh well.
hmmm. I didn't really pick up on the sarcasm or disrespect either. I do remember the clip ended quickly after she said that, as if she went on to say other things. Maybe the clue lies in what she said after that. I just take it for what it's worth.

[jadegypsy]

tommer:"what i find interesting is how she didn't manage to consolidate a proper recognition to her contribution to rock's evolution, stevie, on the other hand, seems to be obsessed by those efforts in the last few years. "

I dont think Grace gives a rats A** about the music legacy anymore, she never went to the RHOF intros, I think she finds it all silly a bunch of people self congratulating eachother, exactly the type of thing they were rebeling against in the 60's. I would also bet she has moved on, she does have a kid (and a grandkid) and she is also an artist, Stevie on the other hand has little in her life but her musical legacy, hence her immense caring about it. I think in many ways Steive said it best, she (stevie) is still a teenager in her head, I highly doubt Grace is, and I think that's part of why she just won't tour anymore, I have no doubt she has the pipes, I just don't think she has the interest...

Oh and little known Grace fact, she is among the only performers to due all three festivals: Monteray, Woodstock, and Altamont, the rise, the pinnacle and the fall...

"I just didn't think she'd earned the right to criticize Nicks whose contributions to rock have been consistently remarkable. "

Oh and I'll echo dissentions opinion on this, are you serious!? Grace has a "right" to criticize anyone she wants in that industry, she paid her dues, penned some incredible songs, sang some major anthems and gave some awesome performances, she NOT stevie was one of rocks female pioneers, sorry but Stevie is a second generation who followed Grace, Janis, Joni, Cher, Mama Cass, Diana Ross...to name a few. Although I will consent Stevie is one of the first women to sucessfully be in a band and have a solo career at the same time, and many props to her.

[cliffdweller]

One remark about Stevie and it's "obvious disdain for Nicks over the years"? The comment in question is nothing as you describe. In Stevie's segment, Grace was shown saying "Oh, the witch, the magic witch, I love her." Hardly biting or disdainful, and I heard not a hint of sarcasm in it. Why would VH1 include a disdainful remark in a special that's celebrating the women of rock and roll? I think you're reading too much into it just because Grace is a salty bitch.


Yep. Salty bitch. That's all. I don't think Grace was dissing Stevie, it's just that flowing shawls and chiffon are not Grace's thing so she had a bit of playfulness in her response about the grand caped one. Look, I think Grace probably respects Stevie's rock chickness, it's just her style that she can't really get with, at least that's my speculation.

[cliffdweller]

I did see Mr. Bruce Springsteen play the Los Angeles Sports Arena on the River Tour in 1980 or so, & that performance remains in my mind the greatest rock performance of my time.

How would you say that compares to today's performances? Just curious...

[dissention]

Yep. Salty bitch. That's all. I don't think Grace was dissing Stevie, it's just that flowing shawls and chiffon are not Grace's thing so she had a bit of playfulness in her response about the grand caped one. Look, I think Grace probably respects Stevie's rock chickness, it's just her style that she can't really get with, at least that's my speculation.

David said it best when he essentially described how Stevie and her schtick can provoke an animosity that can trigger hatred in some people. When she's good, she's good. When she's bad & obnoxious & utterly ridiculous, she's a chore to even look at.

[JazmenFlowers]

she NOT stevie was one of rocks female pioneers, sorry but Stevie is a second generation who followed Grace, Janis, Joni, Cher, Mama Cass, Diana Ross...to name a few.
I'll just say I disagree...totally...with this part of your post.

[tommer]

I would also bet she has moved on, she does have a kid (and a grandkid) and she is also an artist.
please scroll up, take another look at her two paintings there, and reconsider that statement.

[Moony]

And for you Grace Slick fans...here's a nice gallery that has some of her art collection. She is quite good. I think I prefer her as a painter more than a singer.
Slick Gallery (http://gallery-319.com/slick.html)

http://gallery-319.com/images/Slick/large_images/Janis.jpg
http://gallery-319.com/images/Slick/large_images/Mistress%20Voice.jpg

She actually has the gall to show these in a gallery? Horrible.

[sparky]

As evidenced by my posting here and choice of signature, I love both Grace Slick and Stevie Nicks. Comparing the two is not exactly fair, because both are so different, as others have stated. Grace Slick's song "Dreams" is worlds away from Stevie Nicks' song "Dreams." I doubt Stevie would write a song with words like "I've seen those high-stepping sexy witches / Sons of satin, songs of bitches--all were there in my dreams." Grace's Dreams album cover does remind me vaguely of a Stevie parody (I believe someone brought that up...did the Stevie parody "Angel of Night" inspire you...? Sparky?).

Indeed ! I have the album. I love that you get that parody. I think the cover and that song are Stevie parodies (homages) of the highest order.

Grace is a provocateur and is as crazy as a ****house rat. But I love her, and think that she is a true original and rebel. With a powerhouse voice. It was simply not her goal to be an icon and rock star forever. Like someone else said, Gracie has a family and a successful career as a painter. And she was part of the old guard - the first generation of women rockers. Stevie was in the second generation. That doesn't mean anything other than timing, really. But Grace kicked down some doors for women. And very unlike Stevie, who has always talked about working her way into the men's world of rock gently, Grace grabbed them by the balls. Let's not forget that Stevie, not unlike Madonna, was sleeping with most her collaborators. A different kind of grabbing by the balls...:lol:

Grace could belt better than Stevie, but she never has personally touched me in quite the same manner that, say, "Storms" does.

And I don't think it was her goal to do that, either. She did her thing, and was done. Not everyone wants to do it forever.

[JWS]

She actually has the gall to show these in a gallery? Horrible.

I've actually been to a gallery in Sausolito, California that displayed lots of her work. I thought some of it quite good. It's Andy Warhol-like pop art. For those that only like painting by Rembrandt...you won't like it.

[cliffdweller]

Speaking Grace's art noted above, can anyone read the small print at the bottom of the white rabbit painting? I'm curious...

[JWS]

Speaking Grace's art noted above, can anyone read the small print at the bottom of the white rabbit painting? I'm curious...

Yes. It reads "RCA M..... Voice" Can't make out the 2nd word. Remember the old RCA Victor advertisement with the dog looking at the gramaphone? So what Grace has done is substitute the white rabbit for the dog.

[JazmenFlowers]

Yes. It reads "RCA M..... Voice" Can't make out the 2nd word. Remember the old RCA Victor advertisement with the dog looking at the gramaphone? So what Grace has done is substitute the white rabbit for the dog.
it looks like "her mistress's voice"

her art is really good.

[JWS]

it looks like "her mistress's voice"

her art is really good.

I think you're right about the 2nd word being "mistress's". So RCA wouldn't make much sense here.

[jadegypsy]

JazmenFlowers
Quote:
Originally Posted by jadegypsy
she NOT stevie was one of rocks female pioneers, sorry but Stevie is a second generation who followed Grace, Janis, Joni, Cher, Mama Cass, Diana Ross...to name a few.

I'll just say I disagree...totally...with this part of your post.

Well considering Stevie didn't even have a record deal by the time most of these women had risen to the top of their careers I guess I'm a little lost, I didn't say Stevie wasn't a major influence in rock, I said she wasn't a pioneer, big difference. Stevie was only a pioneer in perhaps the sense to have both a solo and group career going at the same time, but I already mentioned this and gave props to her, I just view her as an artist that came along after the first wave of female rockers.

Originally Posted by Moony
She actually has the gall to show these in a gallery? Horrible.

Well in deference to Grace those are not two of her better paintings, but she is not a realist painter either, more a cross between animation and Peter Max, hmmm perhaps a Disney on acid.

[cliffdweller]

it looks like "her mistress's voice"

her art is really good.

Ah I get it, thanks. I like the white rabbit reference but her art doesn't do it for me. She's cool though, has she written an autobiography? If not, she should.

[dissention]

Ah I get it, thanks. I like the white rabbit reference but her art doesn't do it for me. She's cool though, has she written an autobiography? If not, she should.

Yes, it's one entertaining read. :laugh: She had a one night stand with Jim Morrison and they rubbed strawberries or raspberries all over the walls.

Have you heard that song she recorded with Linda Perry for the soundtrack to one of those Crow movies (the last thing she ever recorded)? I hadn't listened to it in years until this thread and hot damn, it's a kick ass song.

[cliffdweller]

Yes, it's one entertaining read. :laugh: She had a one night stand with Jim Morrison and they rubbed strawberries or raspberries all over the walls.

Have you heard that song she recorded with Linda Perry for the soundtrack to one of those Crow movies (the last thing she ever recorded)? I hadn't listened to it in years until this thread and hot damn, it's a kick ass song.

Really?? I think she should get back into music. I love, love, LOVE her voice.
What's the biography called? I've gotta read about the strawberries and raspberries!

[dissention]

Really?? I think she should get back into music. I love, love, LOVE her voice.

Here's that song. Her voice is fantastic on it. She comes in at the chorus, around three minutes in.

http://s63.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2SHBKLW0L94232UE23YMDRINSS

What's the biography called? I've gotta read about the strawberries and raspberries!

"Somebody To Love." She's so damned funny and ballsy. I really wish she had named her kid God.

[cliffdweller]

Here's that song. Her voice is fantastic on it. She comes in at the chorus, around three minutes in.

http://s63.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2SHBKLW0L94232UE23YMDRINSS



"Somebody To Love." She's so damned funny and ballsy. I really wish she had named her kid God.


Thanks for the link, unfortunately my itunes is not playing it for some uknown reason :shrug:.

[amber]

Here's that song. Her voice is fantastic on it. She comes in at the chorus, around three minutes in.

http://s63.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2SHBKLW0L94232UE23YMDRINSS



"Somebody To Love." She's so damned funny and ballsy. I really wish she had named her kid God.
That would have been rad - but have you noticed her daughter is kind of...something...snotty? superior? self important? something...I remember thinking "oh, lame, I love her but her daughter seems like a tool." :distress:
So actually maybe God would've been a fitting name for her...

[amber]

i find grace slick's comments about mature artists to be rather dumb, and i highly suspect that they are driven by her inability to maintain her own singing career in later years.
fans of artists like mccartney, debbie harry, and (even) stevie have good reasons to keep pleased with what they're still getting, on the other hand, grace slick's last years in commercial recording (exhibit a: We Built This City) were indeed something to keep one embarrassed about for years.
grace had tons of attitude and abilities, but nothing much to back it up in other aspects; she couldn't break free from her own "fleetwood mac", record her own "bella donna", and recreate a significant musical/iconic impact in her own right.
what i find interesting is how she didn't manage to consolidate a proper recognition to her contribution to rock's evolution, stevie, on the other hand, seems to be obsessed by those efforts in the last few years.
in a way, grace slick is like those chinese that sailed to america; history is being written by winners, and janis became the Columbus.
I just want to say this is an awesomely insightful post, and made me think of things I hadn't thought about before.
And by the way, Grace wasn't being sarcastic at all in the VH1 special. If you interpreted it that way, you are wrong. "oh, the magical witch. I love her." Yeah.

[JWS]

i find grace slick's comments about mature artists to be rather dumb, and i highly suspect that they are driven by her inability to maintain her own singing career in later years.
fans of artists like mccartney, debbie harry, and (even) stevie have good reasons to keep pleased with what they're still getting, on the other hand, grace slick's last years in commercial recording (exhibit a: We Built This City) were indeed something to keep one embarrassed about for years.
grace had tons of attitude and abilities, but nothing much to back it up in other aspects; she couldn't break free from her own "fleetwood mac", record her own "bella donna", and recreate a significant musical/iconic impact in her own right.
what i find interesting is how she didn't manage to consolidate a proper recognition to her contribution to rock's evolution, stevie, on the other hand, seems to be obsessed by those efforts in the last few years.
in a way, grace slick is like those chinese that sailed to america; history is being written by winners, and janis became the Columbus.

I'm sorry...who is Debbie Harry??

[dissention]

Thanks for the link, unfortunately my itunes is not playing it for some uknown reason :shrug:.

iTunes? Pffft, I still play **** in Winamp. It's easier. :laugh:

[dissention]

I'm sorry...who is Debbie Harry??

Ho****. It's on now, brother.

http://glen.utdallas.edu/Glen/CDs/Blondie/Blondie%20main.jpg

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I'm sorry...who is Debbie Harry??

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:



oh Josh???

[ontheEdgeof17]

I'm sorry...who is Debbie Harry??

A has-been.

[cliffdweller]

A has-been.


:eek: you are just asking for it you naughty boy!

[SortaSavageLike]

I'm sorry...who is Debbie Harry??

Some chick who had a couple of hits in the late 70's/early 80's. :shrug:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

A has-been.

hehe...I totally agree!

But they should at least be AWARE of the name...



on edit: Then again...I didn't even know who Grace Slick was...so, I can't talk.

[JazmenFlowers]

Some chick who had a couple of hits in the late 70's/early 80's. :shrug:
She's much more than that...she's a pioneer, of sorts, in my opinion. I love her...a very cool lady.

[dissention]

She's much more than that...she's a pioneer, of sorts, in my opinion. I love her...a very cool lady.

I just put 100 extra points into your basket, okay? ;)

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I just put 100 extra points into your basket, okay? ;)

Why else do you think he even said that? ;)

[JazmenFlowers]

Why else do you think he even said that? ;)
oh come on Brandon...seriously, you don't believe that

if I was just blowing smoke up his ass, I wouldn't know that one of her first band was called the Stilletos, Rapture was one of if not the first rap songs, the name Blondie actually came from all the whistles not necessarily because of her hair, Jimmy Destri has been part of some of the best songs ever recorded, she worked as a Playboy Bunny and she has an affinity for off-the-wall movie roles

granted, I am not as close to a clone as I am with Stevie, but I assure you I couldn't care less about scoring points with anyone (no offense Diss)

[Brwn_eyes0511]

oh come on Brandon...seriously, you don't believe that

Just a joke...:D

[JazmenFlowers]

Just a joke...:D
;)...


I know...just trying to score more points with Diss...j/k

[dissention]

she worked as a Playboy Bunny and she has an affinity for off-the-wall movie roles

She's got a new one coming out later this year called "Full Grown Men" with Alan Cumming and Amy Sedaris where she plays Beauty, a retired Weeki Wachee mermaid. :laugh:

[JWS]

hehe...I totally agree!

But they should at least be AWARE of the name...



on edit: Then again...I didn't even know who Grace Slick was...so, I can't talk.

OK...I just looked her up. To me she is "Blondie". No one said Debbie, the Blondie singer. Now I know her full name. Anyway, they had a monster hit with music to the Richard Gere movie "American Gigolo". Big in the disco era.

Also known to have the one of the first "rap" tunes with Rapture.

[dissention]

I know...just trying to score more points with Diss...j/k

Your knowledge is impressive. :woohoo:

Chris said last year that he's actually got some Stilettos recordings. I'd pay any amount of money just to hear them once.

[JazmenFlowers]

Your knowledge is impressive. :woohoo:

Chris said last year that he's actually got some Stilettos recordings. I'd pay any amount of money just to hear them once.
yeah, that'd be cool. wonder who has the rights to them?

[dissention]

yeah, that'd be cool. wonder who has the rights to them?

Since they're live recordings, probably just the band (Debbie, Chris, and the other members of the Stilettos). He said the quality is ****, though. Would still make for an interesting listen.

[JazmenFlowers]

Since they're live recordings, probably just the band (Debbie, Chris, and the other members of the Stilettos). He said the quality is ****, though. Would still make for an interesting listen.
yeah...I think so too