1973

[DavidMn]

I know alot of people talk about 1975 and 1977 being big years in Fleetwood Mac's history, but to me 1973 is a big year also. I mean they released 2 albums and had the Fake Fleetwood Mac thing hit at the end of the year. I was wondering, how did they manage to record two albums in the span of 6 months. If memory serves me right, Penguin was released in april or so and Mystery to me was in September. ANd also I believe Bare Trees was releaed in September of the previous year, so they were really crankin out the music in that years time. Just like to get peoples thoughts. Thank you.

[Jyqm]

I know alot of people talk about 1975 and 1977 being big years in Fleetwood Mac's history, but to me 1973 is a big year also. I mean they released 2 albums and had the Fake Fleetwood Mac thing hit at the end of the year. I was wondering, how did they manage to record two albums in the span of 6 months. If memory serves me right, Penguin was released in april or so and Mystery to me was in September. ANd also I believe Bare Trees was releaed in September of the previous year, so they were really crankin out the music in that years time. Just like to get peoples thoughts. Thank you.

I agree, David, 1973 was a big year for Fleetwood Mac, and could have been even bigger if the band hadn't semi-imploded and the tour been cancelled. Mystery to Me was really gaining momentum, and if they'd kept touring behind it and promoting it, it might have been a really big album.

As for the fast-paced recording, that was just the norm for the band in those days. I bet if you had told Chris, Mick and John in 1973 that five years later they'd be spending more than a year and more than a million recording a new Fleetwood Mac album, they'd have laughed in your face. They were a struggling band going through a lot of line-up changes. They needed to get new product out there to promote whatever the latest incarnation of the band was. Bare Trees was recorded in just two weeks, I think, although I don't recall if that was the first sessions or the second, after the master reels were lost/stolen.

[HomerMcvie]

I like to think that MTM might've been HUGE, had Weston kept it in his pants, OR Mick have realized what a great album it was, and kept the band on the road.

[goldustsongbird]

I like to think that MTM might've been HUGE, had Weston kept it in his pants, OR Mick have realized what a great album it was, and kept the band on the road.

I agree! I really, really like MTM. It's rare that I find an album I can listen to all the way through without skipping over a track or two, but I make an exception for this one. I likes me some Welch. :)

[David]

I like to think that MTM might've been HUGE, had Weston kept it in his pants, OR Mick have realized what a great album it was, and kept the band on the road.Ah, but would it have been played on AM radio, which was still Crossover King in 1973?

Remember, this was a time when young teenagers were listening to 92-KHJ play "One Tin Soldier" every afternoon precisely at 4 o'clock. I should know because I was on the school bus heading home every afternoon at the time, & the whole bus quieted down for the daily broadcast of "One Tin Soldier," a hook-filled megasuccessful song that AM radio owned.

www.thecolefamily.com/onetinsoldier.htm

[macfan 57]

I agree! I really, really like MTM. It's rare that I find an album I can listen to all the way through without skipping over a track or two, but I make an exception for this one. I likes me some Welch. :)

See, now aren't you glad you eventually got the album?;) :)

[goldustsongbird]

See, now aren't you glad you eventually got the album?;) :)

You're never going to let me forget that I bought Wild Heart before it, are you? :laugh:

[chiliD]

Ah, but would it have been played on AM radio, which was still Crossover King in 1973?

Maybe, maybe not...but, they were gaining a "mainstream" audience. Had they been able to capitalize on their Midnight Special appearance, the history of Fleetwood Mac from that point on might've been VERY different.

[SteveMacD]

Actually, I think THE most significant year in Fleetwood Mac's history was from May 1970 through May 1971. In that time, they went from Fleetwood/McVie/Green/Spencer/Kirwan to Fleetwood/McVie/McVie/Kirwan/Welch.

[David]

Maybe, maybe not...but, they were gaining a "mainstream" audience. Had they been able to capitalize on their Midnight Special appearance, the history of Fleetwood Mac from that point on might've been VERY different.SOMEBODY needs to seed the Midnight Special from '73!!
:blob2: :blob1: :blob1:

[DavidMn]

Maybe, maybe not...but, they were gaining a "mainstream" audience. Had they been able to capitalize on their Midnight Special appearance, the history of Fleetwood Mac from that point on might've been VERY different.Was this appearance in '73?

[DavidMn]

I agree! I really, really like MTM. It's rare that I find an album I can listen to all the way through without skipping over a track or two, but I make an exception for this one. I likes me some Welch. :)
You got it. Hypnotized s one of the coolest songs going.:cool:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

OMG!

Does someone HAVE the 1973 Midnight Special performance...

Well, for the love of GOD if you do...POST IT!!!!!!!!!!!

[aleuzzi]

OMG!

Does someone HAVE the 1973 Midnight Special performance...

Well, for the love of GOD if you do...POST IT!!!!!!!!!!!



Abso-freakin-lutely! I'd love to hear this, too. Does anyone have it?

[macfan 57]

You're never going to let me forget that I bought Wild Heart before it, are you? :laugh:

No.:laugh:

[macfan 57]

Abso-freakin-lutely! I'd love to hear this, too. Does anyone have it?

I have it on VHS, but not in digital format. They played "Miles Away" & "Believe Me". Chuck Berry introduced them! This is just about the only live thing we have of the Mystery To Me line-up.

[chiliD]

I have it on VHS, but not in digital format. They played "Miles Away" & "Believe Me". Chuck Berry introduced them! This is just about the only live thing we have of the Mystery To Me line-up.

If you go to Bob Welch's own site, he has a live recording of the MTM lineup playing "Black Magic Woman". That is really something to hear...it's GREAT!

[macfan 57]

If you go to Bob Welch's own site, he has a live recording of the MTM lineup playing "Black Magic Woman". That is really something to hear...it's GREAT!

I forgot about that.:o I had downloaded that awhile back. That's a great version of "Black Magic Woman".:thumbsup: I wonder if he has more live Fleetwood Mac tracks from those years.

[chiliD]

I forgot about that.:o I had downloaded that awhile back. That's a great version of "Black Magic Woman".:thumbsup: I wonder if he has more live Fleetwood Mac tracks from those years.

If he's got THAT recording, I'll bet he's got that whole show. That would INCREDIBLY interesting to hear an entire MTM-era live show....especially one with THAT sound quality.

Songs I know for a fact they've played live that I someday would like to have live recordings of (if they exist):

Revelation
Night Watch
Remember Me (a Fleetwood Mac concert recording...I know Christine did this at the Bob Welch & Friends Live At The Roxy show)
Rattlesnake Shake (from 1975, with Lindsey on lead vocal)
The Bigger The Love ("Time" tour)

[wetcamelfood]

The Bigger The Love ("Time" tour)

I think this is on the unedited Switzerland broadcast.

Here's hoping anyways that Welch releases that MTM show he's ovbiously got in full like you say someday soon. :)

John

[wetcamelfood]

Was this appearance in '73?

Yeah, it aired 11/2/73 so it must've been recorded right before everything fell apart.

I put my VHS of it on DVD so I can rip it back to my computer & create an MPEG file but my e mail account won't attach such a big file.

If someone can explain to me how to post it (blush) I'll be happy to try when I can. :) I don't have the Chuck Berry intro bit though, I had to trim some of the fat to fit some things on to the DVD so...

John

[chiliD]

I think this is on the unedited Switzerland broadcast.


Ummmm...anyone have? And want to share?

[wetcamelfood]

Ummmm...anyone have? And want to share?

Again, I can this post this too, if someone can explain to me how to post them. :)

John

[macfan 57]

Again, I can this post this too, if someone can explain to me how to post them. :)

John

John, do you know how to use YouSendIt? You should be able to upload video files from your hard drive, although I've only used it for mp3 music files.



And, here's another site, in case you have trouble with YouSendIt:

[URL=]http://rapidshare.de/ (]http://www.yousendit.com/[/URL)

[Brwn_eyes0511]

John, do you know how to use YouSendIt? You should be able to upload video files from your hard drive, although I've only used it for mp3 music files.

http://www.yousendit.com/

Yes, you can upload videos there too!!! I do!!!!

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Again, I can this post this too, if someone can explain to me how to post them. :)

John

You would become a VERY POPULAR ledgie if you did post these!!!!

;)

[wetcamelfood]

You would become a VERY POPULAR ledgie if you did post these!!!!

;)

OK well the Rapidshare link didn't work & Yousendit looks like a page to e mail them. I mean, you guys can PM me your e mail addresses if you want, but I thought it'd be easier to post it here or some site that would post it & give the link. Either way is fine with me but I'd imagine it'd be easier for all to see in one place rather than sending multiple e mails, y'know?

John

[macfan 57]

If he's got THAT recording, I'll bet he's got that whole show. That would INCREDIBLY interesting to hear an entire MTM-era live show....especially one with THAT sound quality.

Songs I know for a fact they've played live that I someday would like to have live recordings of (if they exist):

Revelation
Night Watch
Remember Me (a Fleetwood Mac concert recording...I know Christine did this at the Bob Welch & Friends Live At The Roxy show)
Rattlesnake Shake (from 1975, with Lindsey on lead vocal)
The Bigger The Love ("Time" tour)

Has anyone ever asked Bob if he has that entire show? I thought he was thinking about offering tracks for download for a minimal fee. I'd gladly pay him to get that entire show, if he has it. I wonder if he had to get Mick's permission to post "Black Magic Woman".

chiliD, "Nightwatch" is on that 1974 Chicago bootleg that's in circulation. Unfortunately, the quality is quite poor. I would grade it as C quality. But it is out there.

[chiliD]

chiliD, "Nightwatch" is on that 1974 Chicago bootleg that's in circulation. Unfortunately, the quality is quite poor. I would grade it as C quality. But it is out there.

Yeah, that bootleg is SO bad (sound qualitywise) that I keep trying to forget it exists. (they also do "I Loved Another Woman" on that one, too...I wish it was a better recording)

I've heard (or TRIED to hear) it a number of times...which keeps me from actively trying to own it.

[Jyqm]

OK well the Rapidshare link didn't work & Yousendit looks like a page to e mail them. I mean, you guys can PM me your e mail addresses if you want, but I thought it'd be easier to post it here or some site that would post it & give the link. Either way is fine with me but I'd imagine it'd be easier for all to see in one place rather than sending multiple e mails, y'know?

John

YouSendIt does ask for an e-mail address, but all it does is send an e-mail with a link to the webpage to which you upload your file! When I use YouSendIt, I usually just put in my own e-mail address and then post the link to the file here on the Ledge.

[macfan 57]

Yeah, that bootleg is SO bad (sound qualitywise) that I keep trying to forget it exists. (they also do "I Loved Another Woman" on that one, too...I wish it was a better recording)


They do "Bad Loser" too. And, "I Loved Another Woman" is radically different from any other live version I've heard...it's a Bob/Chris duet.

It's a shame about the sound quality. That bootleg has one of the most unique Fleetwood Mac set lists I've ever seen.

[wetcamelfood]

YouSendIt does ask for an e-mail address, but all it does is send an e-mail with a link to the webpage to which you upload your file! When I use YouSendIt, I usually just put in my own e-mail address and then post the link to the file here on the Ledge.

OK cool, thanks, I'll give it a try! :)

John

[chiliD]

They do "Bad Loser" too. And, "I Loved Another Woman" is radically different from any other live version I've heard...it's a Bob/Chris duet.

It's a shame about the sound quality. That bootleg has one of the most unique Fleetwood Mac set lists I've ever seen.


Yeah...that's what is so frustrating about that one.

[Wouter Vuijk]

OK well the Rapidshare link didn't work & Yousendit looks like a page to e mail them. I mean, you guys can PM me your e mail addresses if you want, but I thought it'd be easier to post it here or some site that would post it & give the link. Either way is fine with me but I'd imagine it'd be easier for all to see in one place rather than sending multiple e mails, y'know?

John
Perhaps you can upload it as a torrent file?? Not sure how that works.:shrug: Recently I have only been downloading torrent files with the search engines isohunt.com, thepiratebay.org and torrentspy.com. I use Azureus as downloading software. I just tried to upload a video file, but can't find it when I look for it. Maybe somebody else can give you more information on that.

Anyway, I hope somehow us lot that are interested wish we can get a hold of it.

BTW How does this Rapidshare and Yousendit work for those who want to download?

[wetcamelfood]

I hope I can get more guidance too. I tried Yousendit but it said the file can't be bigger than 1 MB & the MPEG I created for "The bigger the love" was 175 MB so no doubt the 1973 one will be twice as big (since there's 2 songs). Do I use DVD Shrink to shrink the MPEG? I'm sure there'll be software I can shrink it with but I don't know if it'll let me shrink it from 175 to 1! Any ideas on this I'm happy to try but the ideas need to be explained as well. :)

John

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I hope I can get more guidance too. I tried Yousendit but it said the file can't be bigger than 1 MB & the MPEG I created for "The bigger the love" was 175 MB so no doubt the 1973 one will be twice as big (since there's 2 songs). Do I use DVD Shrink to shrink the MPEG? I'm sure there'll be software I can shrink it with but I don't know if it'll let me shrink it from 175 to 1! Any ideas on this I'm happy to try but the ideas need to be explained as well. :)

John

NO!! I have posted stuff on yousendit before that has been over 100 MB! You can do it...it will let you!

[goldustsongbird]

You got it. Hypnotized s one of the coolest songs going.:cool:

Hell yes! That's exactly the song I had in mind when I posted.

[wetcamelfood]

NO!! I have posted stuff on yousendit before that has been over 100 MB! You can do it...it will let you!

Well OK, I'll give it a try again tonight but I let it run for 2 hours last night (& I have DSL, not dial up) & it still hadn't connected/attached/sent/whatever.

John

[Jyqm]

Well OK, I'll give it a try again tonight but I let it run for 2 hours last night (& I have DSL, not dial up) & it still hadn't connected/attached/sent/whatever.

175 MB is a huge file, so it very well might take more than two hours to upload to their server. Maybe let it go overnight. Start uploading when you go to bed and it will surely be finished by the time you wake up.

[DavidMn]

Say this '74 recording from Chicago people are talking about. I have one that SAYS it's 11-8-74 New York. Is this the same one? because mine sounds pretty good I think.

[chiliD]

Say this '74 recording from Chicago people are talking about. I have one that SAYS it's 11-8-74 New York. Is this the same one? because mine sounds pretty good I think.

No.

There are three widely circulated boots from 1974.
The one you have is from Ultrasonic Studios, Hempstead, NY (I think that 11-8-74, is in UK format, it was recorded August 11th, not November 8th). There's another called Will The Real Fleetwood Mac Please Stand Up? (and also goes by Bermuda Triangle in a truncated form) recorded at the Record Plant (some boots say "Sausalito", some say "Los Angeles"). Both of those were recorded for radio broadcast (therefore the high quality of the sound), neither was an actual "open to the public" concert, though. The Chicago boot, however, IS an audience recording of an actual concert...a VERY poor quality recording.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Well OK, I'll give it a try again tonight but I let it run for 2 hours last night (& I have DSL, not dial up) & it still hadn't connected/attached/sent/whatever.

John

Oh yea..well 2 hrs is normal if it is as large as you say it is! Just let it run until it loads...

[DavidMn]

No.

There are three widely circulated boots from 1974.
The one you have is from Ultrasonic Studios, Hempstead, NY (I think that 11-8-74, is in UK format, it was recorded August 11th, not November 8th). There's another called Will The Real Fleetwood Mac Please Stand Up? (and also goes by Bermuda Triangle in a truncated form) recorded at the Record Plant (some boots say "Sausalito", some say "Los Angeles"). Both of those were recorded for radio broadcast (therefore the high quality of the sound), neither was an actual "open to the public" concert, though. The Chicago boot, however, IS an audience recording of an actual concert...a VERY poor quality recording.Yeah, I really like the quality of the show I have.:nod:

[Wouter Vuijk]

YouSendIt does ask for an e-mail address, but all it does is send an e-mail with a link to the webpage to which you upload your file! When I use YouSendIt, I usually just put in my own e-mail address and then post the link to the file here on the Ledge.
If all goes right, how can we get access to the file?:shrug:

[Jyqm]

If all goes right, how can we get access to the file?:shrug:

John can post the link to the page with the file here. Files uploaded to YouSendIt are good for 30 days or 25 downloads, whichever occurs first.

[chiliD]

Yeah, I really like the quality of the show I have.:nod:

You should try to get Will The Real Fleetwood Mac Please Stand Up? as the "companion" disc to your Hempstead show. The set list is pretty much the same, except with WTRFMPSU, you get Welch singing "Oh Well", too. (but, for that, you lose "Homeward Bound" & the little jam at the end called "Mystery To Me"). I prefer the WTRFMPSU version of "Bermuda Triangle", as well. Bob's middle-of-the-song story is a little more evolved.

[wetcamelfood]

Oh yea..well 2 hrs is normal if it is as large as you say it is! Just let it run until it loads...

If I put my computer on power save mode, will it still churn away through the night?

John

[Jyqm]

If I put my computer on power save mode, will it still churn away through the night?

John

I'm not sure what exactly power save mode entails on your computer, but if you set it so that it won't hibernate or go on stand-by, it should just run all night.

[wetcamelfood]

I'm not sure what exactly power save mode entails on your computer, but if you set it so that it won't hibernate or go on stand-by, it should just run all night.

OK I guess I'd better leave the power save off then, I'll try it tonight then. It sounds like more want to hear the Midnight Special stuff so I'll try and run that one first, though as I say I think that's like twice the size so it may very well still be churning away when I wake up tomorrow morning! :) ...but whenever it is that it is ready I'll post the link here when I get the e mail from them (if I understand correctly how it's going to work). :)

John

[wetcamelfood]

Well, I ran the MS tracks on Yousendit last night, just woke up & saw that the "Page cannot be displayed" page was on the screen. So, don't know what I can do now. Sorry. I'll try and post "Blue suede shoes" in the other thread since I assume it shouldn't take long to accept that.

John

[Jyqm]

Well, I ran the MS tracks on Yousendit last night, just woke up & saw that the "Page cannot be displayed" page was on the screen. So, don't know what I can do now. Sorry. I'll try and post "Blue suede shoes" in the other thread since I assume it shouldn't take long to accept that.

John

Since it's a large file, it might make more sense to make a torrent for it. I'm sure the ThrownDown.net folks would be happy to host it. If you've never done anything with torrents, you can PM me and I'll try and fill you in on some of the basics.

[DavidMn]

You should try to get Will The Real Fleetwood Mac Please Stand Up? as the "companion" disc to your Hempstead show. The set list is pretty much the same, except with WTRFMPSU, you get Welch singing "Oh Well", too. (but, for that, you lose "Homeward Bound" & the little jam at the end called "Mystery To Me"). I prefer the WTRFMPSU version of "Bermuda Triangle", as well. Bob's middle-of-the-song story is a little more evolved.Interesting. I can't for some reason picture Bob doing Oh Well. He just doesnt seem like a guy who could get pissed off enough to pull it off the right way. No knock on Bob mind you. I'll check out your reccomendation btw, thank you.:nod:

[chiliD]

Jeez! Welch has probably done "Oh Well" triple the number of times Peter Green ever did it (if not more). If you figure Peter only played it with Fleetwood Mac for one or two tours before quitting FMac, and then not really having it in his own sets very often...and never with the PGSG (as far as I've read/heard). Bob played/sang it for the 3+ years of his tenure in the band, and even has played it during a number of his solo tours/shows. Welch even recorded his own studo version of it (both part one AND part two) on his latest album His Fleetwood Mac Years And Beyond.

As another feather in Welch's cap, he DOES pull off Peter Green songs VERY well. ("Green Manalishi", "Rattlesnake Shake", "Black Magic Woman", as well)

Oh, yeah...and on the WTRFMPSU set, they also do "Believe Me" which isn't on the Hempstead set.

[SteveMacD]

Interesting. I can't for some reason picture Bob doing Oh Well. He just doesnt seem like a guy who could get pissed off enough to pull it off the right way.
You really need to read his first Q&A!

[SteveMacD]

As another feather in Welch's cap, he DOES pull off Peter Green songs VERY well. ("Green Manalishi", "Rattlesnake Shake", "Black Magic Woman", as well)
As I've said a million times, I think Bob's version of "Manalishi" is probably the definitive.

[aleuzzi]

They do "Bad Loser" too. And, "I Loved Another Woman" is radically different from any other live version I've heard...it's a Bob/Chris duet.

It's a shame about the sound quality. That bootleg has one of the most unique Fleetwood Mac set lists I've ever seen.

Wow. I wouldn't have imagined such a wonderfully varied set list. It's like a fantasy set list you might dream up on a rainy day. I would love to hear that duet between Chris and Bob. And how does Bad Loser sound? I know the sound quality's bad, but I mean the band's performance.

[aleuzzi]

You should try to get Will The Real Fleetwood Mac Please Stand Up? as the "companion" disc to your Hempstead show. The set list is pretty much the same, except with WTRFMPSU, you get Welch singing "Oh Well", too. (but, for that, you lose "Homeward Bound" & the little jam at the end called "Mystery To Me"). I prefer the WTRFMPSU version of "Bermuda Triangle", as well. Bob's middle-of-the-song story is a little more evolved.


And I really like the band's version of Bermuda Triangle in general here. The piano's quite jazzy, Chris sounds a bit more flashy here. And his story. Oh my god, it's fantastic! Epic. Yes, as good as the Hempstead show's version is, I like WTRFMSUP more.

Overall, that live-in-studio set (if that's what it is) sounds amazing, and there Heroes' songs are more agressive and vivacious than they are on the studio lp.

[macfan 57]

Wow. I wouldn't have imagined such a wonderfully varied set list. It's like a fantasy set list you might dream up on a rainy day. I would love to hear that duet between Chris and Bob. And how does Bad Loser sound? I know the sound quality's bad, but I mean the band's performance.

"Bad Loser" sounds real good, but I think "I Loved Another Woman" is even better...I guess because it's so radically different from the Green/Vito versions. If you're interested, here's the set list:

1. Coming Home
2. Green Manalishi
3. Spare Me A Little Of Your Love
4. Bad Loser
5. Sentimental Lady/Future Games(these 2 songs are together on the same track.)
6. Bermuda Triangle
7. I'd Rather Go Blind
8. Why
9. Nightwatch
10. Homeward Bound
11. Angel
12. I Loved Another Woman

It's a dream set list, but nightmare sound quality.:laugh:

aleuzzi, if you'd still like this bootleg, let me know. If you still have my e-mail address, send me an e-mail or if you don't, just send me a private message. Just so you know, this sound quality isn't remotely as good as those other CDs that I sent you.:)

[aleuzzi]

Heads Up for you, MacFan57, I sent you a private message. Thanks.

[macfan 57]

Heads Up for you, MacFan57, I sent you a private message. Thanks.

I got it. I just sent you an e-mail.:)

[wetcamelfood]

OK, I don't think this will work (as I've tried ever other way I know of) but see if you guys can get these. This is the link for the Midnight Special '73 performance:

EDIT: I've taken the links out because my virus protection keeps freaking eveytime someone tries to D/L these (& they obvioulsy didn't work anyways so...), hopefully before too long I'll figure out the torrent stuff & post the audio & screenshots Steve MacD asks about later in this thread. :)

Hope it works. :)

John

[DavidMn]

You really need to read his first Q&A!Thank you for that . I will go and check it out.:nod: Hey, I've been known to be wrong before.:nod:

[SteveMacD]

Help! I keep getting an error message with the ms73 file.

[wetcamelfood]

Sorry, I'm at my wits end on this. I didn't think that would work but it was my last grasp at the straws. :) Hopefully I'll have time soon to learn how to do that torrent stuff more/better & I'll re-post, but until then...

John

[hypnotized]

OK, I don't think this will work (as I've tried ever other way I know of) but see if you guys can get these. This is the link for the Midnight Special '73 performance:

http://s40.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0LTGUVLYHGY5N2IIK1A3P588X1

...and this is the link for the "The bigger the love" from the uncut Switzerland '94 deal:

http://s40.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0RVU7G70P969R2JY3VAH8HT8H4

Hope it works. :)

John


Does one need a torrent program in order to access this file?

[Jyqm]

Does one need a torrent program in order to access this file?

If the files had worked, yes, you would have needed a torrent program to download them.

[SteveMacD]

Wetcamelfood, is there any way you could post screen shots from the Midnight Special, and (maybe) post the audio? I could live with that!

[wetcamelfood]

Wetcamelfood, is there any way you could post screen shots from the Midnight Special, and (maybe) post the audio? I could live with that!

If someone tells me how to do it but it'll have to be in a week or two because I'm in the middle of a move right now. :)

John

[Ghost_Tracker]

I know alot of people talk about 1975 and 1977 being big years in Fleetwood Mac's history, but to me 1973 is a big year also. I mean they released 2 albums and had the Fake Fleetwood Mac thing hit at the end of the year. I was wondering, how did they manage to record two albums in the span of 6 months. If memory serves me right, Penguin was released in april or so and Mystery to me was in September. ANd also I believe Bare Trees was releaed in September of the previous year, so they were really crankin out the music in that years time. Just like to get peoples thoughts. Thank you.


"Fake Fleetwood Mac" thing? ( I'm clueless about pre-1975, for the most part, although I like much of the music. )

Anyway, I'm sure they worked very hard and had high-standards, but still, I think comparatively, it was somewhat less intense back then. Many more people involved post-1974, also, I bet. It brings to mind Mick's comment in Destiny Rules about "sometimes I wonder" (whether it's actually necessary to have a Record Company). Sort of a "too many cooks spoil the broth" kinda thing, perhaps....

[HomerMcvie]

Well, ya know, Stevy wasn't around before 1975....;)

[Jyqm]

"Fake Fleetwood Mac" thing? ( I'm clueless about pre-1975, for the most part, although I like much of the music. )

Anyway, I'm sure they worked very hard and had high-standards, but still, I think comparatively, it was somewhat less intense back then. Many more people involved post-1974, also, I bet. It brings to mind Mick's comment in Destiny Rules about "sometimes I wonder" (whether it's actually necessary to have a Record Company). Sort of a "too many cooks spoil the broth" kinda thing, perhaps....

How can you argue that it was less intense if you freely admit you're completely clueless about it?

Recording five albums in a little over three years, touring incessantly, firing three band members (one because mental problems, one because of creative incompatibility, and one because he was screwing the drummer's wife), and suing your record company because they sent a different band out on the road under your name sure sounds pretty intense to me.

[bretonbanquet]

"Fake Fleetwood Mac" thing? ( I'm clueless about pre-1975, for the most part, although I like much of the music. )

Anyway, I'm sure they worked very hard and had high-standards, but still, I think comparatively, it was somewhat less intense back then. Many more people involved post-1974, also, I bet. It brings to mind Mick's comment in Destiny Rules about "sometimes I wonder" (whether it's actually necessary to have a Record Company). Sort of a "too many cooks spoil the broth" kinda thing, perhaps....


I think Mick and John would freely admit to moments pre-1975 that at least matched anything that came after in the intensity stakes. Particularly trying to continue a tour while your guitarist is screwing your wife - I mean, how intense do you want? Also having your main songwriter (Kirwan) losing his marbles and everyone not speaking to him for months - do you sack him or wait and hope he gets back to normal? And like having Jeremy Spencer just disappear into nowhere mid-tour, and you have to take a few days out to find him, thinking maybe he's dead... apart from the aforementioned manager-hiring-new-guys-to-impersonate-you-without-you-knowing trip...

I know that things got pretty wound up in the late 70s, but by then Mac was absolutely no stranger to intensity :nod:

[DavidMn]

I think Mick and John would freely admit to moments pre-1975 that at least matched anything that came after in the intensity stakes. Particularly trying to continue a tour while your guitarist is screwing your wife - I mean, how intense do you want? Also having your main songwriter (Kirwan) losing his marbles and everyone not speaking to him for months - do you sack him or wait and hope he gets back to normal? And like having Jeremy Spencer just disappear into nowhere mid-tour, and you have to take a few days out to find him, thinking maybe he's dead... apart from the aforementioned manager-hiring-new-guys-to-impersonate-you-without-you-knowing trip...

I know that things got pretty wound up in the late 70s, but by then Mac was absolutely no stranger to intensity :nod:Which makes the fact that they're still around today all the more amazing.

[wetcamelfood]

OK, I'm experimenting with YouTube

Hopefully ths link will give you guys the link to see "Miles away" from the '73 Midnight Special:

http://www.youtube.com/w/Miles-Away?v=VDaDKiAsyms

If not go to www.youtube.com and search for Fleetwood Mac Miles Away & I'm sure it'll come up.

Unfortunately "Believe me" is more than the 100MB size that YouTube allows (as is the "Bigger the love" Switzerland '94 clip I was going to post here for ChiliD as requested earlier in this thread or a reasonbale facsimilie), but maybe if Miles Away works I can at least post MOST of those other 2 tracks there if I trim some off of those so they'll then be under the 100MB size.

Fingers crossed anyways. :)

John

[ThePenguin]

OK, I'm experimenting with YouTube

Hopefully ths link will give you guys the link to see "Miles away" from the '73 Midnight Special:

http://www.youtube.com/w/Miles-Away?v=VDaDKiAsyms

If not go to www.youtube.com and search for Fleetwood Mac Miles Away & I'm sure it'll come up.

Unfortunately "Believe me" is more than the 100MB size that YouTube allows (as is the "Bigger the love" Switzerland '94 clip I was going to post here for ChiliD as requested earlier in this thread or a reasonbale facsimilie), but maybe if Miles Away works I can at least post MOST of those other 2 tracks there if I trim some off of those so they'll then be under the 100MB size.

Fingers crossed anyways. :)

John


ahh, that was scrumptious. :D thanks for posting that, John.

-Lis

[HomerMcvie]

ARGH!! So is it possible to SAVE this file from youtube?

[Jyqm]

OK, I'm experimenting with YouTube

Hopefully ths link will give you guys the link to see "Miles away" from the '73 Midnight Special:

http://www.youtube.com/w/Miles-Away?v=VDaDKiAsyms

WOW!

Thanks so much, John! And the video quality is fantastic!

Incredible. Bob Welch must have been one of the most unlikely rock stars in the world at the time. John's looking quite dapper back there though, and his bass work is just great on this, as is Weston's guitar (even if it's not quite as frenetic as on the studio track - and I wish he'd stepped up to do the three-part harmony). Mick looks hilarious and so... hungry. It's too bad Chris didn't get to break out any funky piano riffs on this song.

[wetcamelfood]

Phew! Glad it worked. :)

I don't know if it's possible to save it or not, I don't think so because I don't get that option when I right click on it. However, I'll try to cut the ends off of the others to make them below 100MB & this time I'll try their other option which is to post it just for friends (I went with their recommended choice before which was to post it public). I hope it doesn't get taken down & me thrown off the site for posting something copywrited. Since you can't save it I don't see why they get so wound up about that rule especially if I do post the future ones "just for friends" instead of public.

Anyways, it took a few hours to post so I might have to wait until tonight to post another one but I'll try it again with the others when I can. :)

John

[Jyqm]

Phew! Glad it worked. :)

I don't know if it's possible to save it or not, I don't think so because I don't get that option when I right click on it. However, I'll try to cut the ends off of the others to make them below 100MB & this time I'll try their other option which is to post it just for friends (I went with their recommended choice before which was to post it public). I hope it doesn't get taken down & me thrown off the site for posting something copywrited. Since you can't save it I don't see why they get so wound up about that rule especially if I do post the future ones "just for friends" instead of public.

I wouldn't worry about it, there's boatloads of copyrighted material on YouTube, including a ton of Fleetwood Mac and Stevie Nicks music videos. I'm sure they only offer a disclaimer to cover their asses in case anyone complains. Keep posting these videos for the public, more people should have the chance to see them!

And I believe there actually are ways to save video from YouTube. I don't know how to do it, but some people in the Stevie forum do. You may have to travel into the heart of darkness, David.

[wetcamelfood]

Thanks Jyqm, I was working on "The bigger the love" while you were posting so this isn't public, but hopefully if I'm posting the link here that won't make a difference. Anyways, I'll make sure I post "Believe me" from MS '73 PUBLIC when I can. So for now, ChiliD, this one's for you:

http://www.youtube.com/?v=X9eDkdsBTKs

Sorry about the edits but it was the only way... Enjoy. :)

John

[ThePenguin]

Thanks Jyqm, I was working on "The bigger the love" while you were posting so this isn't public, but hopefully if I'm posting the link here that won't make a difference. Anyways, I'll make sure I post "Believe me" from MS '73 PUBLIC when I can. So for now, ChiliD, this one's for you:

http://www.youtube.com/?v=X9eDkdsBTKs

Sorry about the edits but it was the only way... Enjoy. :)

John
How do you get to it from that link? I'm not really sure what I'm looking at ....??? i'm clueless w/ this stuff.

-Lis

[wetcamelfood]

How do you get to it from that link? I'm not really sure what I'm looking at ....??? i'm clueless w/ this stuff.

-Lis

Oh sorry, I tried the link after I finished & it worked, now I'm trying it again and it's not. So I changed it from private to public. Hopefully this will work (my work computer doesn't have the latest flash player so it's not letting me view it from here). If not I'll redo it again tonight. :)

John

[Jyqm]

Oh sorry, I tried the link after I finished & it worked, now I'm trying it again and it's not. So I changed it from private to public. Hopefully this will work (my work computer doesn't have the latest flash player so it's not letting me view it from here). If not I'll redo it again tonight. :)

It works now. The problem with making a video on YouTube "private" is that you need to specifically invite other registered YouTube members to view it.

Thanks for posting these!

[wetcamelfood]

OK, here's "Believe me" from MS73:

http://www.youtube.com/w/Fleetwood-Mac---Midnight-Special-%2773?v=c3dtos9uge0

I hated cutting out Weston's solo @ the beginning but in order to get it to be under 100MB...enjoy. :)

John

[ThePenguin]

OK, here's "Believe me" from MS73:

http://www.youtube.com/w/Fleetwood-Mac---Midnight-Special-%2773?v=c3dtos9uge0

I hated cutting out Weston's solo @ the beginning but in order to get it to be under 100MB...enjoy. :)

John


Beautiful. have always loved that Midnight Special footage. Thanks also for the Bigger the Love video, that was cool.

-Lis

[jbrownsjr]

They do "Bad Loser" too. And, "I Loved Another Woman" is radically different from any other live version I've heard...it's a Bob/Chris duet.

It's a shame about the sound quality. That bootleg has one of the most unique Fleetwood Mac set lists I've ever seen.

u are so right about that!!!

[jbrownsjr]

OK, I'm experimenting with YouTube

Hopefully ths link will give you guys the link to see "Miles away" from the '73 Midnight Special:

http://www.youtube.com/w/Miles-Away?v=VDaDKiAsyms

If not go to www.youtube.com and search for Fleetwood Mac Miles Away & I'm sure it'll come up.

Unfortunately "Believe me" is more than the 100MB size that YouTube allows (as is the "Bigger the love" Switzerland '94 clip I was going to post here for ChiliD as requested earlier in this thread or a reasonbale facsimilie), but maybe if Miles Away works I can at least post MOST of those other 2 tracks there if I trim some off of those so they'll then be under the 100MB size.

Fingers crossed anyways. :)


John

u are my hero!!!

[SteveMacD]

John...

YOU ROCK! :thumbsup:

Thanks so much for posting those videos.

Now, about the actual performances...

I have to say I was actually a little underwhelmed with "Believe Me" and, in general, Weston. Of course, with "Believe Me," I'm probably comparing it too much to the 1974 "Record Plant" performance, where Welch absolutely played the SH*T out of that song. "Miles Away" was pretty good. Overall, the band seemed to lack a bit of energy/spark, and Welch's guitar wasn't in the mix enough, while Weston was too much in the mix. I loved John's '51-ish Precision Bass (aka the Tele Bass).

"The Bigger The Love" clip was good. The chorus was a bit odd. I liked how Bekka sang the minor and diminished notes, though I think it would have been better if Bekka and Dave sang the backing vocals in a way similar to what was done on "John McVie's Gotta Band." Still, it put a smile on my face (at least until I began to wonder why they chose not to put it on the album).

[wetcamelfood]

Brwn_eyes0511 told me about MegaUpload & I think it's worked, for those of you wanting to save the MS73 file, here it is in it's entirety:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=GEV5EXDG

...well, it's not complete really as I don't have the Chuck Berry intro but both full tracks are there. Thanks Brown Eyes! :)

It's 213 MB in size & took me 2 hours to process but a friend of mine tried it and said it only took them 30 minutes on their end.

John

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Brwn_eyes0511 told me about MegaUpload & I think it's worked, for those of you wanting to save the MS73 file, here it is in it's entirety:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=GEV5EXDG

...well, it's not complete really as I don't have the Chuck Berry intro but both full tracks are there. Thanks Brown Eyes! :)

It's 213 MB in size & took me 2 hours to process but a friend of mine tried it and said it only took them 30 minutes on their end.

John

Hey, I was just about to PM you back. YES IT WORKED! It took me about 30 minutes to download...and it was worth it! :xoxo:

Thank you sooooo much.

[HomerMcvie]

Hey, I was just about to PM you back. YES IT WORKED! It took me about 30 minutes to download...and it was worth it! :xoxo:

Thank you sooooo much.
It's freezing my system up.:( Anyone successful with Windows 98?

[wetcamelfood]

Sorry about that Homer, I use XP so can't help you there but hopefully some other 98's will come around soon with tips. :)

You're welcome Brown Eyes, and thank YOU for letting me know about Mega, I'll definitely be using them a lot in the future I'm sure. :)

John

[SteveMacD]

I loved John's '51-ish Precision Bass (aka the Tele Bass).
My bad. Upon further notice, it was actually an early '70s Tele Bass custom. There's one like it on ebay (http://cgi.ebay.com/Rare-Vintage-Blonde-Fender-Telecaster-Bass-1972-custom_W0QQitemZ7389636681QQcategoryZ38079QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem).

[hypnotized]

It's freezing my system up.:( Anyone successful with Windows 98?


I feel your pain Homer. I too have Windows 98. I tried to play the Miles Away clip and I got choppy reception.

[HomerMcvie]

I feel your pain Homer. I too have Windows 98. I tried to play the Miles Away clip and I got choppy reception.
I was able to play the Miles Away clip, with very little choppiness(sp). It's just that Megadownload thing that keeps locking me up.:( Wish I could afford a new computer......

[SteveMacD]

Wish I could afford a new computer......
I wish I could afford one of those new '57 Twin reissues.

[Wouter Vuijk]

I wish I could afford one of those new '57 Twin reissues.
Well, when being able to afford is settled, why the reissue, and not stick to the original '57 Twin (which would probably need a little repairment)? And, should money be really no problem, lets add a genuine '57 Gibson Les Paul (no reissue!) put the pick-ups out of phase: MAN that should be great, if money weren't a problem :shocked:

[Alan Olson]

Might as well throw in some Orange Amps to complete the package....

[chiliD]

genuine '57 Gibson Les Paul (no reissue!)

'59...not '57. :thumbsup:

[DavidMn]

Well, when being able to afford is settled, why the reissue, and not stick to the original '57 Twin (which would probably need a little repairment)? And, should money be really no problem, lets add a genuine '57 Gibson Les Paul (no reissue!) put the pick-ups out of phase: MAN that should be great, if money weren't a problem :shocked:I heard Les isnt feeling to weel these days. I read that he couldnt attend his birthday party in L.A not too long ago.