Kolors Band Tour

[robm]

Well, I finally recieved a copy of the 12-13-84 Kolors Band show from Germany. I really enjoyed it...the energy of the crowd was great! The band played very well, and Peter sounded great!

Anyone have any earlier Peter stuff after he left the Mac?

I'll exchange trading lists.

[dino]

Well, I finally recieved a copy of the 12-13-84 Kolors Band show from Germany. I really enjoyed it...the energy of the crowd was great! The band played very well, and Peter sounded great!

Anyone have any earlier Peter stuff after he left the Mac?

I'll exchange trading lists.

You mean the Stuttgart show? Peter sings well, but you can tell from the guitar
playing he wasn't that well. It simple but tasteful though.
You noticed that the other guitar player, Alfred Bannerman, plays many of the solos?
The fast ones.
I've listed the post-Mac, pre-Splinter Green shows I have here. Would be wonderful
if anyone has more from this era. No sight of any late-70's gigs yet (with Snowy White).


28/06/70 BATH FESTIVAL, ENGLAND (GREEN/MAYALL/GRECH/DUNBAR)
05/12/82 MARKTHALLE, HAMBURG, ROCKPALAST (W. KOLORS)
11/12/82 PALAIS, PARIS, FRANCE (W. KOLORS)
19/08/83 GOTHENBURG, SWEDEN (W. KOLORS)
??/??/84 OCEAN CLUB, CARDIFF, WALES (W. KOLORS)
22/08/84 MODERNA MUSEET, STOCKHOLM (W. KOLORS)
??/12/84 SCHWIMMBAD MUSICCLUB, HEIDELBERG, GERMANY (W. KOLORS)
15/12/84 STUTTGART, GERMANY (W. KOLORS)

[DavidMn]

Hopefully the U.S is next.:nod:

[robm]

On the recording I recieved...a very nice audience recording...the date and city is clearly mentioned by one of the band members as Dec. 13, 84' Franfurt, Germany...I agree Peter's playing isn't as dominant as with the Mac...I'm finally glad to be able to hear some live stuff between the Mac and Splinter Group:nod:

[DavidMn]

Hopefully the U.S is next.:nod:Oops, I goofed that one up. Sorry:rolleyes:

[robm]

No problem...

[DavidMn]

No problem...I guess I was just excited at the thought of seeing Pete live again.:thumbsup:

[robm]

Yes, many of us are...all we have are past recordings...:)

[dino]

On the recording I recieved...a very nice soundboard...the date and city is clearly mentioned by one of the band members as Dec. 13, 84' Franfurt, Germany...I agree Peter's playing isn't as dominant as with the Mac...I'm finally glad to be able to hear some live stuff between the Mac and Splinter Group:nod:



Hey, thanks for the correct date.
What's interesting is that, in Martin Celmins's book on Peter, he claims that
Kolors disbanded "in fall 1984", but from recorded evidence the band carried on until
the very end of the year, perhaps even into early 1985?

[robm]

No problem Dino...the venue is listed as the Sinkkasten(master), Frankfurt Germany(West at that point in history)...I haven't read Martin's book...could a link be provided with the name of this book...I would like to read it!:rolleyes:

[sharksfan2000]

Is this Frankfurt show something that's just turned up, or is it one of the other shows that dino listed above (and has previously been labeled as something else)? Thanks!

[dino]

Is this Frankfurt show something that's just turned up, or is it one of the other shows that dino listed above (and has previously been labeled as something else)? Thanks!

The author of the book is Martin Celmins. You can find it cheap at www.amazon.com
or www.amazon.co.uk in paperback.
It's a good but frustratingly brief biography. Martin had apparently no control over
the latest edition; the new chapter is written by somebody else (and is very
superficial).

The frustrating thing with the Kolors period is that the info is so thin. Greeny was
ill most of the time and probably doesn't remember much. The other band members
are kind of obscure, most of the '84 lineup came from the African band Osibisa.
Besides Jeff Whittaker, who accidentally is the conga player on Steve Stills
first, superb, solo lp.
In fact, Martin claims also in the liner notes to "Kolors" that the band disbanded in early
autumn 1984. That's obviously to early.

I think the Stuttgart 12/84 show surfaced recently. It is a soundboard, I had listed
it incorrectly as an audience tape.







http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1860745075/qid=1135172376/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl/203-3749674-0554368

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1860745075/qid=1135172280/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl14/104-0310932-2220773?n=507846&s=books&v=glance

[robm]

CD 1
1. ? Womanizer(Creeping in the Shadows?) 7:03
2. Proud Pinto 6:37
3. White Sky 6:13
4. Shining Star 4:34
5. Loser Two Times 5:20
6. In The Skies 6:52
7. Love That Burns 8:23
8. ? Man of The World 4:32
9. Big Boy Now 6:01
10. Oh Well 6:09
11. Frankfurt mention by band member> Black Magic
Woman>Band Intros 10:06
12. band member says "Thank you very much" 0:23

CD 2
1. Albatross 6:46
2. ? Stay Out (Of My Life) ? 7:12
3. Green Manalishi 8:53
4. The Date and City mentioned by band member as"
12-13-84, Frankfurt, Germany...West" 1:24
5. Encore: I Need Your Love So Bad 7:56

This is a nice audience recording from a not very large venue, the trader I recieved this from lists it as Sinkkasten (Master) rated an A.

Hope this clarifies things. I've never heard of the song # 2 on CD 2...it's my best guess from the lyrics.

Also, I've never heard Man of the World...as this song is on compilations, or hits packages...which I've never purchased...I have the regular releases of all Fleetwood Mac with Peter, and his solo, and Splinter Group releases.:)

[sharksfan2000]

Thanks for posting the tracklist, robm! :) The copy of the "Stuttgart" show I have that could be the same show as yours - mine cuts off before the end of "Green Manalishi" so that mention of the Frankfurt location and date would not be there....but I'll check if that other mention of Frankfurt is there between "Oh Well" and "Black Magic Woman".

You need to get one of the compilations with "Man Of The World"! :laugh: The import Fleetwood Mac Greatest Hits would be a good one to get, as it also has the studio version of "Green Manalishi", "Albatross", Danny's "Dragonfly", etc. I checked this title on the Amazon website and the odd thing is there appear to be two different versions with the same cover artwork but different tracklists - one version does not include some of these great tracks. This is the one that includes the tracks above (from Amazon UK): http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000006YPU/qid=1135190786/sr=1-10/ref=sr_1_11_10/026-2253816-4982039

[sharksfan2000]

I listened to a few short bits of my "Stuttgart" show this morning and heard some things that should help determine whether it's a different show than your Frankfurt one.

Mine seems to be a very good quality audience recording, not soundboard (audience chatter is audible but not loud).

Someone (from the band or audience?) clearly shouts out "Stuttgart" between "Oh Well" and "Black Magic Woman". Doesn't necessarily mean that's where the show was played, but....

As I mentioned in my previous post, Green Manalishi cuts off before the end of the song, and it's the last track from my copy of this show. The audio cuts off about 9:44 into the track.

On my discs, there is a track labeled "Black Magic Woman / Band Intro" but the band is not really introduced at that point. A band member (probably Jeff Whittaker?) talks for awhile before the next track starts up. Among the things he says: "You're so wonderful, you almost make me feel like a star. So many smiling faces tonight. I hope you're gonna have a fight...inside...you know, with love...you gotta love with love." Whitaker continues talking, and someone in the audience calls out for "music" a couple of times, then Whittaker says something about if he was a taxi driver and "don't you rain on my parade". All that should be pretty easy to pick out if it's on your show, robm! :)

[robm]

The band member who speaks sounds jamacan or something like that, and he announced Peter 1st, then the rest of the band, then Jeff Wittaker last...there was some mention of the "making me feel like a star"...and love stuff(but that could be a semi-standard type of mention many artists use during live performances). The Stuttgart mention I don't hear.

The track listing is different than the Stuttgart, and they didn't do Crying Won't bring you back....plus the order of some of the songs are different...I think you need a copy of what I recieved to actually figure this mystery out.

[dino]

The band member who speaks sounds jamacan or something like that, and he announced Peter 1st, then the rest of the band, then Jeff Wittaker last...there was some mention of the "making me feel like a star"...and love stuff(but that could be a semi-standard type of mention many artists use during live performances). The Stuttgart mention I don't hear.

The track listing is different than the Stuttgart, and they didn't do Crying Won't bring you back....plus the order of some of the songs are different...I think you need a copy of what I recieved to actually figure this mystery out.


I think it's clear that there are two different shows. I listened to the Stuttgart
show yesterday, and it's the same show that sharksfan describes.
Jeff Whittaker actually says: "so nice to be back in Stuttgarten again" between two songs. There's no mention of Frankfurt, and the tracklist
is indeed different. So Stuttgart probably is 15/12/84 and Frankfurt 13/12/84, that make sense.
As you say, the "making me feel like a star" thing was probably something
of a routine for Jeff.

[robm]

Plus, there is a song...Stay Out (of my life) not positive about the title, that I'm not familiar with...during this song, Peter is mainly a background singer and player, looks like a song the rest of the band was "out front" on.
Also...this is an excellent audience recording...about an A rating nonetheless.

[robm]

Well, this is a different show from the Stuttgart show...thanks Sharksfan 2000 for helping verify from the copy I sent you...It is an excellent audience recording.

[sharksfan2000]

Robm - thanks for sending me the copy of the Frankfurt show :) Although the early '80s period of Peter's work is not my favorite, I think this show is one of the best I've heard from that time. The sound quality is excellent, a little better than the Stuttgart show (which has near-excellent sound). And Peter seemed to be in very good form at Frankfurt, I think he showed a bit more energy than at the Stuttgart show a couple of nights later.

I'm also not familiar with the "Stay Out (Of My Life)" song at the Frankfurt show. Jeff Whittaker or one of the other band members takes the lead vocal on this.

[robm]

I was introduced to the Original Fleetwood Mac with Peter Green in 1979, and just loved it! At the time his solo albums Little Dreamer and In the Skies had or just came out, and we played those to death....then the White Sky, Kolors, and Whatcha Gonna Do Now (not in that order, I believe) came out in the early 80's, and felt they were not quite as good as the LD and ITS. But I was hooked. Got into post Mac up till Penguin...then gave up on them...sounded like a pop band after that. But kudos to Mick for keeping a career goin'.

[dino]

I don't know if this is interesting :laugh: , but I looked up the musicians in
the Kolors band and what other bands they played in:

Guitar:
Alfred Kari Bannerman - Ghana/London
played in:
- HI-LIFE INTERNATIONAL
- Osibisa
http://prempeh.org/photos/week13.html

Seems to be a highly regarded guitar player...

Bass:
Willie Bath - London
Played in:
- ROUGH DIAMOND
- Lux De Lux
- THE JACKIE LYNTON BAND

Seems like he played in blues/pub band mostly.

Drums:
Greg Terry-Short
- THE JACKIE LYNTON BAND
- DOUG FERGUSON


Keyboards:
Emanuel Rentzos - Ghana/London
- Osibisa


Jeff Whittaker
- Stephen Stills
- J.J. Jackson

The J.J Jackson (an obscure soul legend) also has Larry Steele on bass,
who played on "White sky"...There seems to be a connection between
most of the musicians who played with Greeny in the early 80's.

Boring, eh?

[robm]

Not really...history is very interesting for us old time mac fans...thanks

[robm]

CD 1
1. ? Womanizer(Creeping in the Shadows?) 7:03
2. Proud Pinto 6:37
3. White Sky 6:13
4. Shining Star 4:34
5. Loser Two Times 5:20
6. In The Skies 6:52
7. Love That Burns 8:23
8. ? Man of The World 4:32
9. Big Boy Now 6:01
10. Oh Well 6:09
11. Frankfurt mention by band member> Black Magic
Woman>Band Intros 10:06
12. band member says "Thank you very much" 0:23

CD 2
1. Albatross 6:46
2. ? Stay Out (Of My Life) ? 7:12
3. Green Manalishi 8:53
4. The Date and City mentioned by band member as"
12-13-84, Frankfurt, Germany...West" 1:24
5. Encore: I Need Your Love So Bad 7:56

This is a nice audience recording from a not very large venue, the trader I recieved this from lists it as Sinkkasten (Master) rated an A.

Hope this clarifies things. I've never heard of the song # 2 on CD 2...it's my best guess from the lyrics.

Also, I've never heard Man of the World...as this song is on compilations, or hits packages...which I've never purchased...I have the regular releases of all Fleetwood Mac with Peter, and his solo, and Splinter Group releases.:)

Wondering if anyone can confirm the 2nd song on cd 2 that I made a guess of the name...I know a few of you out there I traded with have a copy to listen to, and hopefully have passed this show along to others...just curious

[Bassman]

I can give you chapter and verse on this particular era, including, if interested, a complete list of gigs dates and venues.:)

[Wouter Vuijk]

I can give you chapter and verse on this particular era, including, if interested, a complete list of gigs dates and venues.:)

Bassman, welcome to the Ledge. ;)

I guess all of us Peter Green fans here would be very interested in that list (and whatever other information you have) :nod:.

[sharksfan2000]

Bassman, welcome to the Ledge. ;)

I guess all of us Peter Green fans here would be very interested in that list (and whatever other information you have) :nod:.
I'll second the welcome, Bassman, and I agree that many of us here would be most interested in any light you can shed on Peter's activities during this time. It's certainly one of the least-known periods of his career and we'd love to hear anything more you're able to tell us about the Kolors tours, recording sessions, etc. Thanks.

[zoork_1]

I can give you chapter and verse on this particular era, including, if interested, a complete list of gigs dates and venues.:)

Sounds great, We're interested please do that... :-)

/z

[Bassman]

Hi guys and thanks for the welcome, there are almost exactly one year's worth of gigs, probably more than any of you thought. The line up for all but the last was

Peter Greenbaum,
Alfred Bannerman, guitar
Jeff Whittaker, percussion
Greg Terry-Short, drums
Willie Bath, bass
Emanuel Rentzos, keyboards, replaced for the final gig by sax player Pat Kyle.

looking at past posts, made some time ago, there was indeed a gig at the Sinkassen in Frankfurt on 13th December 1984 and the Stutgart gig was at The Maxim on 15th December 1984.
When I have a minute I will put up the definitive list.;)

[dino]

Hi guys and thanks for the welcome, there are almost exactly one year's worth of gigs, probably more than any of you thought. The line up for all but the last was

Peter Greenbaum,
Alfred Bannerman, guitar
Jeff Whittaker, percussion
Greg Terry-Short, drums
Willie Bath, bass
Emanuel Rentzos, keyboards, replaced for the final gig by sax player Pat Kyle.

looking at past posts, made some time ago, there was indeed a gig at the Sinkassen in Frankfurt on 13th December 1984 and the Stutgart gig was at The Maxim on 15th December 1984.
When I have a minute I will put up the definitive list.;)


Great to have you here, Bassman! Looking forward to some info on this fascinating period. Guess you where pretty close to or...in the band?! Not asking, just surmising :)

[Bassman]

Great to have you here, Bassman! Looking forward to some info on this fascinating period. Guess you where pretty close to or...in the band?! Not asking, just surmising :)
I first saw the "original" Kolors, if there really is such a thing, when my company provided the sound system for a residency at the Golden Lion in London. I was most excited that Peter was to be one of the artists during this time. He was always a great hero of mine along with Clempson and Clapton, but in the early days, definitely the top man.
Imagine my disappointment when the band took the stage, I know that the blues is a Black Man's music, but the guys in this band were not bluesers by any stretch of the imagination, good musicians I am sure, but not blues men. As has been mentioned elsewhere on these forums, they kept telling the audience that the great Peter Green was on stage.

[dino]

I first saw the "original" Kolors, if there really is such a thing, when my company provided the sound system for a residency at the Golden Lion in London. I was most excited that Peter was to be one of the artists during this time. He was always a great hero of mine along with Clempson and Clapton, but in the early days, definitely the top man.
Imagine my disappointment when the band took the stage, I know that the blues is a Black Man's music, but the guys in this band were not bluesers by any stretch of the imagination, good musicians I am sure, but not blues men. As has been mentioned elsewhere on these forums, they kept telling the audience that the great Peter Green was on stage.


Thanks for the story! Would that have been in 1981? Um yes, they were more African funk musicians, weren't they.

I guess we're all aware here that this wasn't a great period for Green artistically. But it's still very nice to have some music from these years.

It seems you worked with Kolors from 1984-85? Very much appreciate you stopping by.

[Bassman]

Thanks for the story! Would that have been in 1981? Um yes, they were more African funk musicians, weren't they.

I guess we're all aware here that this wasn't a great period for Green artistically. But it's still very nice to have some music from these years.

It seems you worked with Kolors from 1984-85? Very much appreciate you stopping by.

Later than 81, it appears there were many, "funk" lineups, but I think Jeff Whittaker was the common denomenator, I cannot be certain of this, but when I got involved that was my impression.
There are many thoughts and opinions that cannot be stated on a public forum!
Martin Celmins, when he finally tracked me down, said that he would have loved to have spoken to someone else from the "Whitakker era" as he called it, for the original book, before it became the "Official" biography, at least I was able to provide him with a photograph of the 84/85 lineup, too late to alter the text!
I am trying to track down some recordings of the period, which is how I stumbled upon this forum, particularly the live concert recorded in Stockholm and broadcast on Swedish radio, and the dreadful Spanish TV show, where Peter, in typical style, refused to mime to the lyrics, priceless!:)

[dino]

Later than 81, it appears there were many, "funk" lineups, bet I think Jeff Whittaker was the common denomenator, I cannot be certain of this, but when I got involved that was my impression.
There are many thoughts and opinions that cannot be stated on a public forum!
Martin Celmins, when he finally tracked me down, said that he would have loved to have spoken to someone else from the "Whitakker era" as he called it, for the original book, before it became the "Official" biography, at least I was able to provide him with a photograph of the 84/85 lineup, too late to alter the text!
I am trying to track down some recordings of the period, which is how I stumbled upon this forum, particularly the live concert recorded in Stockholm and broadcast on Swedish radio, and the dreadful Spanish TV show, where Peter, in typical style, refused to mime to the lyrics, priceless!:)




Maybe you can provide us with some of the more innocent facts? ;)

Never heard of the Spanish TV show, sounds priceless indeed. I can provide you with a copy of the Swedish live concert, check your inbox :).

[Bassman]

Maybe you can provide us with some of the more innocent facts? ;)

Never heard of the Spanish TV show, sounds priceless indeed. I can provide you with a copy of the Swedish live concert, check your inbox :).

Thank you very much, I will unveil what I can as time progresses, not trying to hang it out, but I am new to forums in general, and I have other things I must do. Many things have been stated about this period, which was not particularly auspicious for Peter, although I honestly believe it was a step up from the "funk" period.:laugh:
I do not know about other times, but he did insist on being called Greenbaum, which of course is his real name.

[Bassman]

OK the first few gigs Sweden and Norway

22/08/84 Moderna Museet, Stockholm
23/08/84 Pub Rackarberg, Uppsala
25/8/84 Studentkaren, Gothenberg
26/8/84 Samfunnshal,l Harstad
27/8/84 Fokus Kino, Tromso
28/8/84 Rogers Restaurant, Tromso
29/8/84 Hollywood Disco, Trondheim
30/8/84 Hulen Olav, Bergen
31/8/84 De Roede Sjoehus, Stavanger
2/9/84 Walham Restaurant, Drammen

quite a successful venture, although a bit of a surprise on the first gig to find out that it was outdoor and being broadcast live on the radio!!:)

[doodyhead]

OK the first few gigs Sweden and Norway

22/08/84 Moderna Museet, Stockholm
23/08/84 Pub Rackarberg, Uppsala
25/8/84 Studentkaren, Gothenberg
26/8/84 Samfunnshal,l Harstad
27/8/84 Fokus Kino, Tromso
28/8/84 Rogers Restaurant, Tromso
29/8/84 Hollywood Disco, Trondheim
30/8/84 Hulen Olav, Bergen
31/8/84 De Roede Sjoehus, Stavanger
2/9/84 Walham Restaurant, Drammen

quite a successful venture, although a bit of a surprise on the first gig to find out that it was outdoor and being broadcast live on the radio!!:)
Wow, that was a busy time. From the look of the live video. It appeared that they were playing a lot. ( I gotta think they were smoking a lot of dope too) I am glad that you are filling in more of the timeline , bassman Maybe some more recordings will surface.from someone out there

doodyhead

[Bassman]

Wow, that was a busy time. From the look of the live video. It appeared that they were playing a lot. ( I gotta think they were smoking a lot of dope too) I am glad that you are filling in more of the timeline , bassman Maybe some more recordings will surface.from someone out there

doodyhead

There is a live video?????:blob2:

[dino]

There is a live video?????:blob2:

I think he meant the Rockpalast broadcast from December 1982! It's on youtube.

[Bassman]

I think he meant the Rockpalast broadcast from December 1982! It's on youtube.

Ah, too early

[Bassman]

Next few gigs

13/9/84 Dingwalls, Camden Town, London
7/10/84 Colegio Salesiano, Bilbao, Spain
8/10/84 To Cate, Madrid, TV show, like Top of The Pops, Afternoon
8/10/84 Teatro Salamanco, Madrid
9/10/84 Poldeportivo Municipal, Zaragoza
10/10/84 Salon Cybeles, Barcelona
11/10/84 Fronten, Sesteo
1/11/84 Bar Keller, Leeds, England

[doodyhead]

Too early for your involvement but a lot of the same people

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cl5bBgOtpWc

As you get older, december 1982 is not far from August 1984

I wonder if there is still the footage from the rest of this concert?

vinnie c

[dino]

Too early for your involvement but a lot of the same people

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cl5bBgOtpWc

As you get older, december 1982 is not far from August 1984

I wonder if there is still the footage from the rest of this concert?

vinnie c



The whole broadcast circulates, something like 9 tracks. It's probably not the whole concert, though.

[doodyhead]

I have only "seen" the "Black Magic Woman" portion of this. I have heard audio however. Is the video on youtube? If so I have never found it. If someone here has access or knows the links it would be wonderful if they could post it.


doodyhead, mel and vinnie

[Bassman]

Too early for your involvement but a lot of the same people

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cl5bBgOtpWc

As you get older, december 1982 is not far from August 1984

I wonder if there is still the footage from the rest of this concert?

vinnie c
Depends upon your viewpoint, the early band that I saw did not really enhance any of Peter's music, in my opinion, at least the line up during my envolvement played the blues, as it were, well obviously that is a matter of conjecture, but I think the 84/85 line up was truer to the music of Peter Green, this is of course somewhat subjective!

[doodyhead]

Dear Mr Bassman,

You are no doubt correct that the longer Peter was playing with people the better he got just from a performance standpoint. I was making more of a mid-life comment about the relativeness in time.
I certainly would give much credence to your personal , first hand observations of Peter during this period, as I have no such knowledge but only what little I have heard and what has been written to date. I too look forward to any insight you can give us fans and admirers of Peter during this or any period.

oh, by the way, thanks for sharing your words.

vinnie c

[Bassman]

Dear Mr Bassman,

You are no doubt correct that the longer Peter was playing with people the better he got just from a performance standpoint. I was making more of a mid-life comment about the relativeness in time.
I certainly would give much credence to your personal , first hand observations of Peter during this period, as I have no such knowledge but only what little I have heard and what has been written to date. I too look forward to any insight you can give us fans and admirers of Peter during this or any period.

oh, by the way, thanks for sharing your words.

vinnie c

Hi Vinnie
apologies if I misconstrued your words, not intentional, I assure you.
Peter definitely improved during my year with the band, apart from the odd regression, like the night in Germany when he sang no words to Need Your Love So Bad!! Frustrating, but not life changing.
One thing that always amazed me was his voice, when I had to sound check him at a club with the previous incarnation of Kolors, I was surprised at how soft his voice was and that he attained those fantastic sounds with very little volume, I had always assumed that he was virtually screaming to create that raw blues sound, and he always seemed able to maintain this. Quite eerie in a way.

[dino]

Bassman, not to pre-empty your history...but how long were Kolors active?

Martin Celmins wrote that they broke up in fall 1984, but I have a concert recording from June 1985 and communicated with a guy who was at the gig and verified the date.

[Bassman]

Bassman, not to pre-empty your history...but how long were Kolors active?

Martin Celmins wrote that they broke up in fall 1984, but I have a concert recording from June 1985 and communicated with a guy who was at the gig and verified the date.
Yes indeed, Martin was miffed that he did not speak to me before the book was published, his only contact for Kolors, was Whittaker, so there is only one view point. I was with the band from August 84 until August 85, the last gig being the festival in Tel Aviv, that was a flop, by then Emanuel had departed the band and there was another gig booked at the Mean Fiddler, but I have no idea if it came off or not, if it did Greg certainly did not play at it, I had to move on.:shocked:

[doodyhead]

Yes indeed, Martin was miffed that he did not speak to me before the book was published, his only contact for Kolors, was Whittaker, so there is only one view point. I was with the band from August 84 until August 85, the last gig being the festival in Tel Aviv, that was a flop, by then Emanuel had departed the band and there was another gig booked at the Mean Fiddler, but I have no idea if it came off or not, if it did Greg certainly did not play at it, I had to move on.:shocked:

Dear Bassman,
Was it that the festival was just underattended or that the band was playing poorly. If it was the latter I would love to hear your opinion on the band dynamics and how the band worked together.

Did Martin ever interview you anyway?

vinnie c

[Bassman]

Dear Bassman,
Was it that the festival was just underattended or that the band was playing poorly. If it was the latter I would love to hear your opinion on the band dynamics and how the band worked together.

Did Martin ever interview you anyway?

vinnie c

The fact that the festival was a flop had nothing to do with the band at all, just a lack of attendees, Marillion were top of the bill, from memory, they were definitely there, also Mark Knoffler's brothers band, and several others, the names escape me now, but I will se if I can put a finger on it. Peter had played Israel before my involvement and it had apparently been a success, hence being invited to the festival.
I was interviewed by Martin and provided him with the picture of the 84/85 line up for the "official version" of the biography, but I do not believe that he was able to change any of the text, probably due to cost.

[Bassman]

Here are the remaining gigs, if anyone has any accessable recordings I would be most grateful.

08/12/1984 TH Audi Max Aachen Germany
10/12/1984 Jo Am Kudan Berlin
11/12/1984 Savoy Music Theatre Schauenberg
13/12/1984 Sinkassen Frankfurt
14/12/1984 Gundle Dinger Casino Basle Switzerland
15/12/1984 Maxim Stuttgart
17/12/1984 Hunky Dory Detmold
18/12/1984 Luxor Koln
19/12/1984 Logo Hamburg
22/12/1984 Dingwalls Camden Town London
14/02/1985 Mean Fiddler Harlesden London
15/03/1985 Wimbledon Theatre Wimbledon
26/04/1985 Dingwalls Camden Town
27/04/1985 Club Royal Guildford
10/05/1985 New Ocean Club Cardiff Wales
24/05/1985 Tunnell Club Grenwich London
01/06/1985 City Hall Sta Albans
26/06/1985 Druckhaus Hanau Stenheim Germany
27/06/1985 Pfalervilla Offenburg
28/06/1985 Festhalle Tuttlingen
29/06/1985 Konzertsaal Neu Ulm
30/06/1985 Maxim Stuttgart
01/07/1985 Zentrum Zoo Tubingen
02/07/1985 Steunbruchtheater Muhtal
03/07/1985 Schwimbad Music Club Heidelberg
06/07/1985 Marquee Club London
13/07/1985 Dingwall Camden Town *
06/08/1985 Ramat Gan Stadium Tel Aviv Israel.

* This gig was the same day as Live Aid and was called Club Aid where all the top drawing bands at this venue played the same night for free.

Well folks, tha's all she wrote.

[dino]

Here are the remaining gigs, if anyone has any accessable recordings I would be most grateful.

08/12/1984 TH Audi Max Aachen Germany
10/12/1984 Jo Am Kudan Berlin
11/12/1984 Savoy Music Theatre Schauenberg
13/12/1984 Sinkassen Frankfurt
14/12/1984 Gundle Dinger Casino Basle Switzerland
15/12/1984 Maxim Stuttgart
17/12/1984 Hunky Dory Detmold
18/12/1984 Luxor Koln
19/12/1984 Logo Hamburg
22/12/1984 Dingwalls Camden Town London
14/02/1985 Mean Fiddler Harlesden London
15/03/1985 Wimbledon Theatre Wimbledon
26/04/1985 Dingwalls Camden Town
27/04/1985 Club Royal Guildford
10/05/1985 New Ocean Club Cardiff Wales
24/05/1985 Tunnell Club Grenwich London
01/06/1985 City Hall Sta Albans
26/06/1985 Druckhaus Hanau Stenheim Germany
27/06/1985 Pfalervilla Offenburg
28/06/1985 Festhalle Tuttlingen
29/06/1985 Konzertsaal Neu Ulm
30/06/1985 Maxim Stuttgart
01/07/1985 Zentrum Zoo Tubingen
02/07/1985 Steunbruchtheater Muhtal
03/07/1985 Schwimbad Music Club Heidelberg
06/07/1985 Marquee Club London
13/07/1985 Dingwall Camden Town *
06/08/1985 Ramat Gan Stadium Tel Aviv Israel.

* This gig was the same day as Live Aid and was called Club Aid where all the top drawing bands at this venue played the same night for free.

Well folks, tha's all she wrote.



Thanks again! This clears up 3 dates for me. PM for more music.. :)

[Wouter Vuijk]

The youtube uploader for the Rockpalast venue has closed his account. So I thought it would be nice to upload it myself.
Here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXt8DpeTan4&feature=youtu.be

[Ms Moose]

Thanks a million, Wouter!
I am looking forward to see the whole thing!

Ms Moose

[Wouter Vuijk]

Well. I deleted the show again because of audio missing on one channel. I fixed that and also turned up the volume. Then, when I started giving some information I ran into a question I should like to ask, especiallly for mr. bassman here.
The Rockpalast archives mentions line-up mentions Duban Laverde (aka Spartacus R) as bass player. I also have an audio where the presenter gives a short history of Peter Green and finishes his comments with the line-up. He also presents Duban Laverde as the bass player.
However, since Kolors has some Osibisa roots, I wonder if the bass player might have been Spartacus R from Osibisa, whose real name was Roy Bedeau. Could it have been that Spartacus R was the bass player and the Rockpalast organisation wasn't aware of two of them and assumed it must have been Duban Laverde??????
:shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug:
I'd like to have this cleared up before uploading again.

[Wouter Vuijk]

Okay, so here it is again, with mono on left and right channel:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKGAQNahGJs
Enjoy

[kowk]

Thank you Wouter :-)
Have you got more such interesting gigs? :-)

Regards
Krzysztof