50 most-downloaded FM songs on Itunes [Archive]

SortaSavageLike

12-09-2005, 09:30 AM

Just thought this would be interesting...

1. Landslide
2. Dreams
3. The Chain
4. Rhiannon
5. Go Your Own Way
6. Gold Dust Woman
7. Gypsy
8. Second Hand News
9. Silver Springs
10. Sara
11. Never Going Back Again
12. Songbird
13. Say You Love Me
14. Little Lies
15. Hypnotized
16. Don't Stop
17. Tusk
18. Monday Morning
19. Everywhere
20. You Make Loving Fun
21. Over My Head
22. Hold Me
23. Sentimental Lady
24. I Don't Want to Know
25. World Turning
26. Peacekeeper
27. Say You Will
28. Seven Wonders
29. Warm Ways
30. Bleed to Love Her
31. Oh Well
32. I'm So Afraid
33. Blue Letter
34. Big Love
35. Thrown Down
36. Crystal
37. Tell Me All the Things You Do
38. Spare Me a Little of Your Love
39. Bare Trees
40. As Long as You Follow
41. No Questions Asked
42. For Your Love
43. Storms
44. Black Magic Woman
45. I'm Coming to Stay
46. I Loved Another Woman
47. Shake Your Moneymaker
48. Goodbye Baby
49. Steal Your Heart Away
50. Sweet Home Chicago

Gypsy-Rhiannon

12-09-2005, 10:00 AM

How do you find out which are the most downloaded of an artist?

Pip

Jyqm

12-09-2005, 10:12 AM

Just thought this would be interesting...

Very! Thanks for posting!

1. Landslide

Now, is this the Dance version, the white album version, or both together?

2. Dreams
3. The Chain
4. Rhiannon
5. Go Your Own Way
6. Gold Dust Woman
7. Gypsy

Interesting, I'd not have guessed "Gold Dust Woman" would be above the likes of "Gypsy" (or "Silver Springs," for that matter).

8. Second Hand News
9. Silver Springs
10. Sara
11. Never Going Back Again
12. Songbird
13. Say You Love Me
14. Little Lies
15. Hypnotized
16. Don't Stop

It pleases to end to see that "Hypnotized" is not only so high up on the list, but that it also beats "Don't Stop." This is one pre-75 song that I'd love to see the current band tackle in concert. Not that that would ever happen. Ever.

17. Tusk
18. Monday Morning
19. Everywhere
20. You Make Loving Fun
21. Over My Head
22. Hold Me
23. Sentimental Lady

Again, nice to see a Bob Welch tune so high up on the list, especially when his solo version was a much bigger hit (though I've always preferred the Mac version, particularly because of Christine's vocals).

24. I Don't Want to Know
25. World Turning
26. Peacekeeper
27. Say You Will
28. Seven Wonders
29. Warm Ways
30. Bleed to Love Her
31. Oh Well
32. I'm So Afraid
33. Blue Letter
34. Big Love
35. Thrown Down

Which begs the question once again, why didn't they play this up as a single, or perform it in concert?

36. Crystal
37. Tell Me All the Things You Do

Weird! What on earth is this doing so high up on the list?

38. Spare Me a Little of Your Love
39. Bare Trees
40. As Long as You Follow
41. No Questions Asked
42. For Your Love

I've always thought this could have been a huge hit. Dammit, Weston...

43. Storms
44. Black Magic Woman
45. I'm Coming to Stay

Umm... Anyone?

46. I Loved Another Woman
47. Shake Your Moneymaker
48. Goodbye Baby
49. Steal Your Heart Away
50. Sweet Home Chicago

How bizarre. I assume this is the BBC version, because I don't know of any others, but why would it be so high up on this list? It's not even that great a performance.

And where's "Albatross?" And "Oh Daddy" (the only Rumours track not listed)?

ontheEdgeof17

12-09-2005, 10:35 AM

And where's "Albatross?" And "Oh Daddy" (the only Rumours track not listed)?

This might be a stretch but I'm guessing they are not in the Top 50. :shrug:

Jyqm

12-09-2005, 10:55 AM

This might be a stretch but I'm guessing they are not in the Top 50. :shrug:

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. That's why they weren't included in the "Top 50" list that was posted.

I realize they're obviously not in the top 50. I was just expressing my surprise at that fact and wondering where they are further down the list.

DavidMn

12-10-2005, 01:49 PM

I'm surprised Gypsy wasnt higher.

gldstwmn

12-10-2005, 02:36 PM

Hmm... 7 out of the top ten belong to Stevie. :)

DavidMn

12-10-2005, 02:37 PM

Hmm... 7 out of the top ten belong to Stevie. :)I'm not surprised by that.

gldstwmn

12-10-2005, 02:47 PM

I'm not surprised by that.

I'm not either but some people might be.

DavidMn

12-10-2005, 02:48 PM

I'm not either but some people might be.I wouldve like to see at least ONE CHristine song in there.Thats unfortunate.:(

SortaSavageLike

12-10-2005, 03:03 PM

I wouldve like to see at least ONE CHristine song in there.Thats unfortunate.:(

Songbird is at Number 12. I would have expected something a bit poppier to be honest. :shrug:

DavidMn

12-10-2005, 03:05 PM

Songbird is at Number 12. I would have expected something a bit poppier to be honest. :shrug:Yeah, I agree with you there.

crylove77

12-10-2005, 04:31 PM

Eh, I don't know. I know quite a few people who are not really FM fans who used Songbird as a wedding song. So I can see how it would be near the top. That's how I got most of my wedding music...downloading.

Jyqm

12-10-2005, 04:59 PM

Okay, seriously, though, does anyone have any idea what "I'm Coming To Stay" is? It's certainly not a Fleetwood Mac song title; in fact, I don't think it's a song title for anyone. Could it be a misnomer for "Coming Your Way"?

Jyqm

12-10-2005, 05:13 PM

Hmm... 7 out of the top ten belong to Stevie. :)

But she's much less common beyond that, interestingly. Outside the top ten, she doesn't show up again until #24. She's got fifteen total, if you count "Crystal" as a Stevie song.

Lindsey and Christine aren't too far behind: Christine has 11.5 (counting "World Turning" as a half) and dominates the latter half of the top 20, and Lindsey's got the same (again, counting "World Turning" as a half), though his songs are much more spread otu throughout the list.

JazmenFlowers

12-10-2005, 07:19 PM

thanks for the list. it's pretty interesting. I don't find it odd that Stevie has more on the list, she's expanded her fan base, imo, more than Christine or Lindsey, but I am glad to see that the list is fairly evened out. It's also cool to see that there are some rather obscure songs on the list.

Does anyone write reviews on iTunes? I made a point to have at least one review for each Stevie album.

johndoe

12-10-2005, 08:03 PM

Actually, if you look on Itunes right now, this list has changed quite a lot.

Serrart

12-10-2005, 08:13 PM

Hmm... 7 out of the top ten belong to Stevie. :)

How strange, that's the first thing I've noticed too.:D

What surprised me was Storms ranked 43, I thought it would have been higher.

Romy

SteveMacD

12-10-2005, 08:30 PM

Jyqm

12-10-2005, 09:25 PM

Actually, if you look on Itunes right now, this list has changed quite a lot.

Yes, I would imagine it changes quite a bit, since not that many people download songs from iTunes, relative to the number of people who buy music overall.

And the list I'm seeing right now includes a lot of "overlap." "Landslide" appears a bunch of times - the white album version (#1), some live AOL version (#4), the Dance version (#15), the Live in Boston version (#34) and the Live 1980 version (#38). Other songs appear multiple times as well, sometimes with the same version: "Go Your Own Way" is currently listed at both #7 (Greatest Hits) and #9 (Rumours). (Various live versions are listed at #39, #46 and #88.)

jwd

12-11-2005, 02:31 AM

Crunch the numbers any way you want to. Stevie's always been the most popular member of FM, always will be. :xoxo:

JazmenFlowers

12-11-2005, 03:02 AM

Crunch the numbers any way you want to. Stevie's always been the most popular member of FM, always will be. :xoxo:
you know what I appreciate is the fact that Lindsey is idolized by many for his awesome guitar play, Christine for her piano plucking and sweet voice and Stevie for her lyrics, vocal style and performance - it's just nice to see them all appreciated for what seems to be the basis of their love for music.

SteveMacD

12-11-2005, 04:05 AM

Crunch the numbers any way you want to.
Okay, then, let's look at the 1988 "Greatest Hits" package. Christine had seven, Stevie had four, and Lindsey had three. Crunch THOSE numbers for a little while. Christine had half of the big hits. Or, what about this number: A few years back, Rolling Stone did a list of the 100 most essential songs in rock history, and there was only one listed from any member of Fleetwood Mac, and that was "Go Your Own Way" (26).
Stevie's always been the most popular member of FM, always will be. :xoxo:
Well, the hits certainly don't lie. Stevie may be the most recognizable, and may have had the most successful career of any Maccer, but it would appear that people are just as likely, maybe even MORE likely, to appreciate a Fleetwood Mac song on which she's the lead vocalist as they would a song on which Christine or Lindsey sing lead. The bottom line, and this is a fact Stevie fans don't seem to be able to grasp, is that Stevie may have the biggest name of anybody in the band, but when she's with Fleetwood Mac, she's still seen as being A MEMBER OF THE BAND. It begins to even out a bit. She is not as important to the "Rumours" band's popularity as Peter Green was to that incarnation of Fleetwood Mac, or as Christine Perfect was to Chicken Shack.

gldstwmn

12-11-2005, 04:08 AM

I wouldve like to see at least ONE CHristine song in there.Thats unfortunate.:(

Seven of the top 20 are hers. :)

Jyqm

12-11-2005, 06:34 AM

Crunch the numbers any way you want to. Stevie's always been the most popular member of FM, always will be. :xoxo:

Ooh, almost, but thanks for playing! You still gets some lovely parting gifts, though. Tell her what she wins, Steve!

Lindsey Jr.

12-11-2005, 11:07 AM

you know what I appreciate is the fact that Lindsey is idolized by many for his awesome guitar play, Christine for her piano plucking and sweet voice and Stevie for her lyrics, vocal style and performance - it's just nice to see them all appreciated for what seems to be the basis of their love for music.

I Love your signature pic! :wavey:

jwd

12-11-2005, 12:55 PM

jwd

12-11-2005, 01:02 PM

Or, what about this number: A few years back, Rolling Stone did a list of the 100 most essential songs in rock history, and there was only one listed from any member of Fleetwood Mac, and that was "Go Your Own Way" (26).

And "Dreams" was the only song of the Rumours incarnation of FM to go to #1. :shrug:

Well, the hits certainly don't lie.

You have to remember too that when Lindsey and Stevie first joined FM, Chris was the "big sister" and had the lion share of songs on the first two albums and more of hers were released as singles. She had a jump start on the other two. :)

The bottom line, and this is a fact Stevie fans don't seem to be able to grasp, is that Stevie may have the biggest name of anybody in the band, but when she's with Fleetwood Mac, she's still seen as being A MEMBER OF THE BAND.

I think what is harder to grasp is that some FM fans think that those of us who love Stevie can't appreciate the other members of the band or even the other incarnations of the band. But that is furthest from the truth. Or even worse, it's even more difficult for some FM fans to even appreciate Stevie as a memeber of FM.

jwd

12-11-2005, 01:11 PM

Ooh, almost, but thanks for playing! You still gets some lovely parting gifts, though. Tell her what she wins, Steve!

And who the F*** are you?!

Jyqm

12-11-2005, 01:23 PM

And who the F*** are you?!

I'm Jyqm, see, it says my name right up there in the upper-left-hand corner of the post. It's like that for everybody, too! Really helpful in figuring out who wrote what and all.

Jyqm

12-11-2005, 01:34 PM

You have to remember too that when Lindsey and Stevie first joined FM, Chris was the "big sister" and had the lion share of songs on the first two albums and more of hers were released as singles. She had a jump start on the other two. :)

Or she had more songs that the band thought would make good hit singles.

If you're claiming that the only reason Christine has more hits than Stevie is because more of her songs were released as singles in the 70s, what's your excuse for the 80s? Both "Hold Me" and "Little Lies" charted much higher and remained on the charts longer than either "Gypsy" or "Seven Wonders." (That's in America.)

I think what is harder to grasp is that some FM fans think that those of us who love Stevie can't appreciate the other members of the band or even the other incarnations of the band. But that is furthest from the truth.

It's an understandable conclusion to draw when folks spout off things like, "Stevie's the most popular member of Fleetwood Mac and always has been!" Which, as demonstrated, isn't necessarily true, depending on how you're defining "popular."

jwd

12-11-2005, 01:51 PM

If you're claiming that the only reason Christine has more hits than Stevie is because more of her songs were released as singles in the 70s, what's your excuse for the 80s? Both "Hold Me" and "Little Lies" charted much higher and remained on the charts longer than either "Gypsy" or "Seven Wonders." (That's in America.)

I was making reference to number of hits, and that's two apiece there. :)

It's an understandable conclusion to draw when folks spout off things like, "Stevie's the most popular member of Fleetwood Mac and always has been!" Which, as demonstrated, isn't necessarily true, depending on how you're defining "popular."

I was just stating, not spouting, the truth. Stevie is liked by more people than any other member of the band. That's my definition of popular. Whether it's her songs, her voice, her stage presence, or her style, more people are enamored with her. If you don't believe me, take a poll on this board to see who each Ledgie likes the most. It would be Stevie.

Jyqm

12-11-2005, 01:56 PM

I was making reference to number of hits, and that's two apiece there.

Shall we throw in "Everywhere" then? Maybe "Love In Store," as well.

I was just stating, not spouting, the truth. Stevie is liked by more people than any other member of the band. That's my definition of popular. Whether it's her songs, her voice, her stage presence, or her style, more people are enamored with her. If you don't believe me, take a poll on this board to see who each Ledgie likes the most. It would be Stevie.

Yes, a poll of Ledgies surely will be the most accurate way to measure such things, especially when it comes to the "always has been" and "always will be" portions of your claim.

David

12-11-2005, 02:03 PM

The way I see it, the list as shown is pretty even. Three songs could be counted more than one way (The Chain, World Turning, and Crystal). Stevie had 14 songs, while Chirs, Lindsey, and pre-1975 Mac all had 11 songs. It's nowhere near as unbalanced as, say, the 1988 "Greatest Hits" package, where Lindsey had all of three hits compared to Christine's seven (or half of all the hits).All this authorship brouhaha over the three writers from that time, as if they were all objects of a varyingly sized cult developing around them. Oh wait ... hehheheh ... they were/are.

I think in general it isn't a song's author that makes a Fleetwood Mac song (or probably anyone else's song) a hit: it's the song's lead singer plus the song's groove & hook (which are products of the whole band & the production team). When radio listeners responded to "For the Love of Money" in the mid 1970s by buying the 45 & calling radio stations to request airplay, they weren't responding to the person or persons who wrote the song. They were responding to a great pop track that sounded cool & was fun to sing to & that seemed powerful to them.

Madonna didn't have two decade's worth of huge hit singles because of Patrick Leonard or whoever actually wrote the song. Her singles were hits because of the work of many people involved in making cool grooves & hot hooks out of them, Madonna herself among them.

"Dreams," "Hold Me," "Gypsy," "Little Lies," "Go Your Own Way" ... these weren't big hits because of who wrote them. They were big hits because of what they sounded like on the radio, & that was all of Fleetwood Mac plus production team that pumped them full of cool. So to argue about this writer gets so many hits on a list or that writer gets fewer or more or whatever is off the mark to me. It really doesn't explain the punch in the hit.

The mistake fans make is to assume that anyone in the world who likes what they like is as far gone about the author or creator as they are -- that fallacy occurs in all the arts among all the audiences. You can't look at fifteen (or whatever) "hits" written by Christine McVie & recorded by Fleetwood Mac & assume that the majority of people who made those recordings hits by buying them are all gaga over Christine McVie or over Fleetwood Mac. They just loved the hook & maybe some other stuff about the song at that time. But fans have these weird sort of blinders on -- they're blind to the forces in the general audience that make those responses generate hits. We assume, just because we love the pretty words to "Storms" or "Crystal" & love the idea that these are personal aspects of Stevie's evolving self, that the public is responding to that very thing when they want to download it on iTunes. But that's just not a consistently logical jump to make.

I remember hearing a girl at UCSB humming "Gypsy" in 1982. So I stopped her & said, "Oh, so you're a Stevie Nicks fan?" First she was confused: "Who?" Then she said, "I just like the song."

jwd

12-11-2005, 02:04 PM

Shall we throw in "Everywhere" then? Maybe "Love In Store," as well.

Throw in whatever you'd like to. If you think that Chris is more "popular" than Stevie, then more power to you. :shrug:

HomerMcvie

12-11-2005, 02:04 PM

I was just stating, not spouting, the truth. Stevie is liked by more people than any other member of the band. That's my definition of popular. Whether it's her songs, her voice, her stage presence, or her style, more people are enamored with her. If you don't believe me, take a poll on this board to see who each Ledgie likes the most. It would be Stevie.
Speak for yourself. CLEARLY, the LISTENING public preferred Chris' songs, over ole what's her name's. As for the cult of personality, Stevie probably does have the edge. But, judging from the fanbase, I'm not sure that's a compliment.:lol: :lol: :lol: (see how I inserted the smiley here, just to add fuel to the fire?).:lol: :lol: :lol: (there, I did it again!):lol: :lol: :lol:

AliceLover

12-11-2005, 02:07 PM

Shall we throw in "Everywhere" then? Maybe "Love In Store," as well.

Yes, a poll of Ledgies surely will be the most accurate way to measure such things, especially when it comes to the "always has been" and "always will be" portions of your claim.

Kind of OT but didn't Save Me and Skies the Limit do fairly well on the charts?

ryan8472

12-11-2005, 02:18 PM

Kind of OT but didn't Save Me and Skies the Limit do fairly well on the charts?
Perhaps. But that doesn't mean anyone wants to listen to them now. :laugh: :sorry:

jwd

12-11-2005, 02:20 PM

the LISTENING public preferred Chris' songs, over ole what's her name's.

To get back to the topic at hand, who has more songs in the top 10 Itunes?! :lol: :lol: :lol: Adds more fuel to the fire.

Jyqm

12-11-2005, 02:37 PM

Throw in whatever you'd like to. If you think that Chris is more "popular" than Stevie, then more power to you. :shrug:

That's quite the rebuttal.

AliceLover

12-11-2005, 02:39 PM

To get back to the topic at hand, who has more songs in the top 10 Itunes?! :lol: :lol: :lol: Adds more fuel to the fire.

I was viewing the Stevie list last night. Silent Night was #1. I was surprised to see Kind of Woman, Rooms on Fire, WLT, Rock a Little, I Sing for the Things, Ooh My Love, and Beauty and the Beast so high on the list.

Brwn_eyes0511

12-11-2005, 02:39 PM

Crunch the numbers any way you want to. Stevie's always been the most popular member of FM, always will be. :xoxo:

Damn...I already had a hangover...now I think I might actually vomit! :rolleyes: ;)

Brwn_eyes0511

12-11-2005, 02:41 PM

AliceLover

12-11-2005, 02:41 PM

Perhaps. But that doesn't mean anyone wants to listen to them now. :laugh: :sorry:

Those are two of her best you rat bastard!

Jyqm

12-11-2005, 02:47 PM

All this authorship brouhaha over the three writers from that time, as if they were all objects of a varyingly sized cult developing around them. Oh wait ... hehheheh ... they were/are.

I think in general it isn't a song's author that makes a Fleetwood Mac song (or probably anyone else's song) a hit: it's the song's lead singer plus the song's groove & hook (which are products of the whole band & the production team). When radio listeners responded to "For the Love of Money" in the mid 1970s by buying the 45 & calling radio stations to request airplay, they weren't responding to the person or persons who wrote the song. They were responding to a great pop track that sounded cool & was fun to sing to & that seemed powerful to them.

Madonna didn't have two decade's worth of huge hit singles because of Patrick Leonard or whoever actually wrote the song. Her singles were hits because of the work of many people involved in making cool grooves & hot hooks out of them, Madonna herself among them.

"Dreams," "Hold Me," "Gypsy," "Little Lies," "Go Your Own Way" ... these weren't big hits because of who wrote them. They were big hits because of what they sounded like on the radio, & that was all of Fleetwood Mac plus production team that pumped them full of cool. So to argue about this writer gets so many hits on a list or that writer gets fewer or more or whatever is off the mark to me. It really doesn't explain the punch in the hit.

The mistake fans make is to assume that anyone in the world who likes what they like is as far gone about the author or creator as they are -- that fallacy occurs in all the arts among all the audiences. You can't look at fifteen (or whatever) "hits" written by Christine McVie & recorded by Fleetwood Mac & assume that the majority of people who made those recordings hits by buying them are all gaga over Christine McVie or over Fleetwood Mac. They just loved the hook & maybe some other stuff about the song at that time. But fans have these weird sort of blinders on -- they're blind to the forces in the general audience that make those responses generate hits. We assume, just because we love the pretty words to "Storms" or "Crystal" & love the idea that these are personal aspects of Stevie's evolving self, that the public is responding to that very thing when they want to download it on iTunes. But that's just not a consistently logical jump to make.

I remember hearing a girl at UCSB humming "Gypsy" in 1982. So I stopped her & said, "Oh, so you're a Stevie Nicks fan?" First she was confused: "Who?" Then she said, "I just like the song."

Very well said, Sir Oberman, as always. Although, as a rule, the "Most people just like the song" theory doesn't apply 100% of the time. The cult of personality around people like Stevie and Madonna does extend somewhat beyond the folks who consider themselves big fans, and that personality does account for some measure of those people's commercial success.

(And when talking about who had more hits and why in the context of Fleetwood Mac, I don't think the focus is ever really on "because this person wrote it" as much as it is on "because this person sang it;" the two - writer and singer - just happen to be the same most of the time where Fleetwood Mac is concerned.)

ryan8472

12-11-2005, 02:49 PM

Those are two of her best you rat bastard!
What about Why? Or Think About Me? Heroes Are Hard To Find? Even Isn't It Midnight?! To each his own I guess.

:p You know I'm just busting your chops. :laugh:

Brwn_eyes0511

12-11-2005, 02:50 PM

To get back to the topic at hand, who has more songs in the top 10 Itunes?! :lol: :lol: :lol: Adds more fuel to the fire.

Wow and those ITUNE charts...better than billboard or radio and records...:rolleyes:

jwd

12-11-2005, 02:55 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by jwd
Throw in whatever you'd like to. If you think that Chris is more "popular" than Stevie, then more power to you.

That's quite the rebuttal.

Well with comments like this:

"Ooh, almost, but thanks for playing! You still gets some lovely parting gifts, though. Tell her what she wins, Steve!"

And this:

"I'm Jyqm, see, it says my name right up there in the upper-left-hand corner of the post. It's like that for everybody, too! Really helpful in figuring out who wrote what and all."

And this:

"It's an understandable conclusion to draw when folks spout off things like"

I feel my rebuttal was sufficient and it stands. I have things to do now. :wavey:

Jyqm

12-11-2005, 02:58 PM

Well with comments like this:

"Ooh, almost, but thanks for playing! You still gets some lovely parting gifts, though. Tell her what she wins, Steve!"

And this:

"I'm Jyqm, see, it says my name right up there in the upper-left-hand corner of the post. It's like that for everybody, too! Really helpful in figuring out who wrote what and all."

And this:

"It's an understandable conclusion to draw when folks spout off things like"

Good job excising the data I posted!

I feel my rebuttal was sufficient and it stands. I have things to do now. :wavey:

Have fun, dear!

Johnny Stew

12-11-2005, 11:31 PM

Kind of OT but didn't Save Me and Skies the Limit do fairly well on the charts?While it's in no way a commentary on the quality of the songs, "Save Me" peaked at #33 and "Skies The Limit" failed to chart (as did Billy Burnette's "Hard Feelings," which was the third single from 'Behind The Mask' in the US).

Johnny Stew

12-11-2005, 11:42 PM

She is not as important to the "Rumours" band's popularity as Peter Green was to that incarnation of Fleetwood Mac, or as Christine Perfect was to Chicken Shack. "Who gives a 'tusk' about a Fleetwood Mac album without Stevie Nicks?" - Entertainment Weekly's one sentence review of 'Time,' 1995.

Not that I agree with that, mind you... but I still can't help finding it funny. :angel:

Stevie's my favorite... big surprise, right?... but I harbor no illusions that she was THE reason for Fleetwood Mac's success. She is extremely important to the band, yes, but she's not the be-all and end-all of Fleetwood Mac.
And, for that matter, neither is Christine or Lindsey. But fans are always going to think their fave hung the moon.
The truth of the matter, as you said, is that Christine, Lindsey & Stevie were each equally important to Fleetwood Mac's success. And as we've seen, if you remove any one of the three, the band isn't as commercially successful.

Brwn_eyes0511

12-12-2005, 12:07 AM

"Who gives a 'tusk' about a Fleetwood Mac album without Stevie Nicks?" - Entertainment Weekly's one sentence review of 'Time,' 1995.

Not that I agree with that, mind you... but I still can't help finding it funny. :angel:

:lol: :lol: :lol:

However, I seem to remember some reviews of SYW where they made it a point to mention just how much a FM album just wasn't the same without the Christine girl! :D

Jyqm

12-12-2005, 07:10 AM

Angelick Witch

12-12-2005, 07:21 AM

Back up there when everyone was killing each other over Christine vs Stevie... I feel sorry for Lindsey. What about Mr Creative-Control and Giving-The-Band-Its-Sound? Alright, he's not what you'd call _popular_, but he is pretty cool...?

*

jwd

12-12-2005, 11:31 AM

What'd they think of Street Angel?

That would be a Stevie Nicks album without Stevie Nicks. :lol:

David

12-12-2005, 11:50 AM

What'd they think of Street Angel?I'm not sure, but People Weekly's opening line in its review of Stevie's "Live at Red Rocks" said: "One reason this is such a splendid concert tape is that director Marty Callner, who has worked with Hall and Oates, Heart and Whitesnake, doesn't seem compelled to show off his technique."

Obviously, someone over there at People -- probably Ralph Novak -- was nipping at the cooking sherry. Callner's work on that video is exactly what ruins it: he fills the whole thing with nonstop swooping camera, fast & jarring cuts, & tricks of empty technology.

SteveMacD

12-12-2005, 12:57 PM

"Who gives a 'tusk' about a Fleetwood Mac album without Stevie Nicks?" - Entertainment Weekly's one sentence review of 'Time,' 1995.

Not that I agree with that, mind you... but I still can't help finding it funny. :angel:
Oddly enough, I don't think the Peter Green/Bob Welch fans would necessarily agree. Many of them thought the band 'tusk'ed up when they added those two. :p
Stevie's my favorite... big surprise, right?... but I harbor no illusions that she was THE reason for Fleetwood Mac's success. She is extremely important to the band, yes, but she's not the be-all and end-all of Fleetwood Mac.
And, for that matter, neither is Christine or Lindsey. But fans are always going to think their fave hung the moon.
The truth of the matter, as you said, is that Christine, Lindsey & Stevie were each equally important to Fleetwood Mac's success. And as we've seen, if you remove any one of the three, the band isn't as commercially successful.
Although, it would have been interesting to see what would have happened if it had been the "Rumours" band, sans Stevie. That variation has never been tested, and never will be. We only know what happens when Lindsey and Christine are taken out of the mix.

In any event, what I find interesting is the difference between crowd reactions to Stevie when she's with Fleetwood Mac and when she's playing solo. In both cases, there is an adoration, to be sure. But, as I said, when she's with the Mac, it's like she's not the Queen of Rock, but just one of the folks in the band. Similarly, I think she works much harder when she's with Fleetwood Mac, but seems to have more fun when she's solo. There's a distinct difference in intensity on her part.

Johnny Stew

12-12-2005, 06:32 PM

What'd they think of Street Angel?They gave it a "B" actually.

In what was really the only option for reviving a career adrift in space-cadet flightiness, Stevie Nicks has returned to earth. Snapping out lyrics with clear-headed firmness, she bellows expressively and sets her high, grainy voice in opposition to plenty of deep, rumbling guitars, the way she did in her Fleetwood Mac days.
Except for a truly dreadful cover of Dylan's "Just Like A Woman" (with Bob himself wheezing along insensibly on harmonica), this is a solid pop-rock collection. -- Ken Tucker

People Magazine's Brian Carmody also reviewed it favorably, and praised Stevie for downplaying the mysticism and "flights of fancy" of her earlier work, and focusing instead on her newfound role as a "persuasive advocate for reality."

Rolling Stone's Kara Manning only gave it 2.5 stars (out of 5), but said that "six songs in, (the album) finally takes off" and stated that "Unconditional Love" and "Rose Garden" were "gorgeous."
Her overall opinion was that the album "neither flies nor falters, but sits confused on a cloud."

The reviews were definitely a mixed-bag, that's for sure... but then many people view 'Street Angel' as a mixed-bag, too.

Jyqm

12-12-2005, 06:36 PM

They gave it a "B" actually.

People Magazine's Brian Carmody also reviewed it favorably, and praised Stevie for downplaying the mysticism and "flights of fancy" of her earlier work, and focusing instead on her newfound role as a "persuasive advocate for reality."

Rolling Stone's Kara Manning only gave it 2.5 stars (out of 5), but said that "six songs in, (the album) finally takes off" and stated that "Unconditional Love" and "Rose Garden" were "gorgeous."
Her overall opinion was that the album "neither flies nor falters, but sits confused on a cloud."

The reviews were definitely a mixed-bag, that's for sure... but then many people view 'Street Angel' as a mixed-bag, too.

Okay, well, at least there's one person in the world who likes "Unconditional Love!"

I agree with the reviewers who thought it was a good thing that Stevie kind of came down from the clouds for Street Angel, though I think I'd rather listen to her sing about castles over chimpanzees anyday.

David

12-12-2005, 06:43 PM

They gave it a "B" actually.Ken Tucker, whom I have communicated with a few times, is one of the great Fleetwood Mac writers of the past thirty years. In his days at the Philadelphia Enquirer, Tucker really "got" Fleetwood Mac in his reviews, & so they're quite a kick to read one after another because you're seeing many of your own thoughts verbalized that you never expected to see. In fact, I steal from Tucker from time to time.

We need to compile a giant log book of Ken Tucker reviews. Would you care to take on the task & accomplish this goal?

cliffdweller

12-13-2005, 11:17 AM

I remember hearing a girl at UCSB humming "Gypsy" in 1982. So I stopped her & said, "Oh, so you're a Stevie Nicks fan?" First she was confused: "Who?" Then she said, "I just like the song."

That happened to me one day in the Student Union on the U.T. campus. This girl was humming along to Rhiannon (which was on the piped in radio at a coffee shop) and I asked her if she was a Fleetwood Mac fan and she said almost the EXACT same thing you mentioned above. Made me shudder a little.

Villavic

12-13-2005, 04:34 PM

It pleases to end to see that "Hypnotized" is not only so high up on the list, but that it also beats "Don't Stop." This is one pre-75 song that I'd love to see the current band tackle in concert. Not that that would ever happen. Ever.

That's hard to believe. Popular songs will always be popular..

It's like they choose no hit songs for the nex mac setlist. We the fans would love to hear live Storms, Oh Daddy or Walk a thin line, but usually the band plays what the general public expect.

DavidMn

12-14-2005, 03:57 PM

That's hard to believe. Popular songs will always be popular..

It's like they choose no hit songs for the nex mac setlist. We the fans would love to hear live Storms, Oh Daddy or Walk a thin line, but usually the band plays what the general public expect.Remember, I'm sure they have all these marketgin consultants whispering in their ears that if they play that stuff, I'tll be on giant 2.5 hour beer run....:(

Serrart

12-14-2005, 04:20 PM

Although, it would have been interesting to see what would have happened if it had been the "Rumours" band, sans Stevie. That variation has never been tested, and never will be. We only know what happens when Lindsey and Christine are taken out of the mix.

I'd find such a band interesting only if they stuck to blues, not to pop rock. Their pop rock history is fascinating to me mostly because Stevie's songs were a disorder element. Her style isn't as polished as Christine's and Lindsey's, her lyrics are more challenging and involving, her singing less predictable and more intense. So taking her out of the contest I'd needed blues, what FM's soul is about to keep buying their records.

In any event, what I find interesting is the difference between crowd reactions to Stevie when she's with Fleetwood Mac and when she's playing solo. In both cases, there is an adoration, to be sure. But, as I said, when she's with the Mac, it's like she's not the Queen of Rock, but just one of the folks in the band. Similarly, I think she works much harder when she's with Fleetwood Mac, but seems to have more fun when she's solo. There's a distinct difference in intensity on her part.

She seems to behave like a soldier when she is with FM, or at least it was quite clear on SYW tour. Get in line and sing your song without stealing too much the scene. I like it as long as she doesn't feel the need to tone down too much for the sake of Linds... I mean the band. ;)

Romy

SteveMacD

12-14-2005, 04:39 PM

I'd find such a band interesting only if they stuck to blues, not to pop rock. Their pop rock history is fascinating to me mostly because Stevie's songs were a disorder element. Her style isn't as polished as Christine's and Lindsey's, her lyrics are more challenging and involving, her singing less predictable and more intense. So taking her out of the contest I'd needed blues, what FM's soul is about to keep buying their records.
That would be interesting, but I don't think Lins or Chris were too interested in persuing the blues. I doubt it would have been as interesting without Stevie, but it still wouldn't have been a bore. Lindsey is a bit unpredictable, too, abliet in a way very different from that of Stevie.

DavidMn

12-14-2005, 04:40 PM

That would be interesting, but I don't think Lins or Chris were too interested in persuing the blues. I doubt it would have been as interesting without Stevie, but it still wouldn't have been a bore. Lindsey is a bit unpredictable, too, abliet in a way very different from that of Stevie.Very true.:nod:

Serrart

12-14-2005, 04:45 PM

DavidMn

12-14-2005, 04:47 PM

I guess you're right, but I'd love so much to hear Christine singing the blues, it would be awesome.

RomyYeah, her voice sure lends itself to that for sure.:nod:

SteveMacD

12-14-2005, 05:11 PM

I guess you're right, but I'd love so much to hear Christine singing the blues, it would be awesome.
You'll get no arguements from me on that one! I'd love to hear Chris sing the blues again. And, I'd really love to hear Lindsey experiment with Leadbelly/Robert Johnson style acoustic blues. It had a lot of finger style, and I think he could have run with it. And, I'll go a step further, I would love to hear the "Rumours" band do a blues album. These days, Stevie's voice is not all that dissimilar to Etta James. There are points when I listen to Etta's original "I'd Rather Go Blind" that evoke images of Stevie.

DavidMn

12-14-2005, 05:13 PM

Serrart

12-14-2005, 07:21 PM

You'll get no arguements from me on that one! I'd love to hear Chris sing the blues again. And, I'd really love to hear Lindsey experiment with Leadbelly/Robert Johnson style acoustic blues. It had a lot of finger style, and I think he could have run with it. And, I'll go a step further, I would love to hear the "Rumours" band do a blues album. These days, Stevie's voice is not all that dissimilar to Etta James. There are points when I listen to Etta's original "I'd Rather Go Blind" that evoke images of Stevie.

I'd love to hear such an album too, or a Stevie album in that direction. I've never thought about it, but in fact the original version of I'd rather Go Blind reminds of Stevie's voice. That's also cool since Etta James is my second favourite singer. Ever heard her version of the song with Dr. John? One of the best live performances I've listened to, IMO.

Romy