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rbs3676
12-08-2005, 09:30 AM
Ann Coulter to audience: You're stupider than I am
STORRS, Connecticut (AP) -- Conservative columnist Ann Coulter cut short a speech at the University of Connecticut amid boos and jeers, and decided to hold a question-and-answer session instead.
"I love to engage in repartee with people who are stupider than I am," Coulter told the crowd of 2,600 Wednesday.
Before cutting off her speech after about 15 minutes, Coulter called Bill Clinton an "executive buffoon" who won the presidency only because Ross Perot took 19 percent of the vote.
Coulter's appearance prompted protests from several student groups. About 100 people rallied outside the auditorium where she spoke, saying she spread a message of intolerance.
"We encourage diverse opinion at UConn, but this is blatant hate speech," said Eric Knudsen, a 19-year-old sophomore journalism and social welfare major who heads campus group Students Against Hate.
It wasn't the first time Coulter has had trouble at a university speech. In October 2004, two men ran onstage and threw custard pies as she was giving a speech at the University of Arizona.
UConn junior Kareem Mohni, 20, said he was disgusted by his peers' reaction to Coulter.
"It really appalled me that we're not able to come together as a group and listen to a different view in a respectful environment," Mohni said.
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sara1998
12-08-2005, 09:32 AM
You beat me to it. She's a troll. I can't stand that woman. (insert puking smiley here)
I just read this as well. It's always nice when people reconfirm your worst prejudices against them.
But my favorite part was this:
Before cutting off her speech after about 15 minutes, Coulter called Bill Clinton an "executive buffoon" who won the presidency only because Ross Perot took 19 percent of the vote.
I mean, first of all, you've got the inherent hilarity of any Bush lackey questioning the legitimacy of someone else's presidency.
But also: sour grapes, much? Clinton's been out of office for five whole years, during which time conservatives have held an iron grip on nearly every facet and level of government, but they're still obsessed with the guy. They can't stop talking about him for even five minutes. It's incredible how important a figure he is in their mythology. And somehow, he's still the scapegoat for everything Bush does wrong.
"How can you support Bush when he did X?"
"Yeah well, Clinton did Y!"
"That didn't answer my question."
"Clinton was the worst president ever!"
"Okay... but -"
"And Hillary's even worse! Actually, we hope the Democrats nominate her!"
"But that's not what I -"
"And Chelsea's ugly!"
UConn junior Kareem Mohni, 20, said he was disgusted by his peers' reaction to Coulter.
"It really appalled me that we're not able to come together as a group and listen to a different view in a respectful environment," Mohni said.
Oh, please! Defending a woman who has no respect for your fellow classmates, either? Why should you respect a vile troll like that? I hope the next time someone throws pies that they're filled with something disfiguring and not just custard.
Do you ever hate someone so much that you can't put it into words? That's how I feel about Ann Coulter. And Bill O'Reilly. And Sean Hannity. The list goes on.
They can't stop talking about him for even five minutes. It's incredible how important a figure he is in their mythology. And somehow, he's still the scapegoat for everything Bush does wrong.
They all just secretly wish they were Monica. Clinton's the man!
And remember, Dubya has never done anything wrong! He even pisses gold! The Iraq war? Blame the CIA. Dubya only did what he was told. :rolleyes:
SteveMacD
12-08-2005, 10:19 AM
And remember, Dubya has never done anything wrong! He even pisses gold! The Iraq war? Blame the CIA. Dubya only did what he was told. :rolleyes:
Dubya has never done anything wrong the same way Howdy Doody never did anything wrong.
Rickypt
12-08-2005, 10:39 AM
Coulter only knows how to do three things: tell the obvious as if she came up with it herself, make insults, and lie. I guess a 4th would be make a totally crazy statement and maybe really believe it.
Of course Clinton won because of the Perot factor, but if Bush One was doing such a hot job, then his folks wouldn't have drifted to Perot.
I see no point in protesting or booing Coulter. She's like Fred Phelps, it's so much better to just ignore them so they get no publicity whatsover. Now the story is going to be about the intolerant left that wants to censor free speech.
markolas
12-08-2005, 10:59 AM
Do you ever hate someone so much that you can't put it into words?
Yes.
I think if I ever saw this woman in person, I would have to pull her hair out by the roots with my bare hands.
Coulter only knows how to do three things: tell the obvious as if she came up with it herself, make insults, and lie. I guess a 4th would be make a totally crazy statement and maybe really believe it.
You're close. Her fourth skill is to make a completely ridiculous statement but to say it as though it were such an incredibly obvious fact, it's amazing that anybody is stupid enough not to believe it.
SteveMacD
12-08-2005, 12:52 PM
Are we going to hear from Brandon?
Are we going to hear from Brandon?
I doubt it. He vowed not to post about politics anymore, and he's kept his word. I'm actually really impressed by the level of self-restraint.
JazmenFlowers
12-08-2005, 01:13 PM
I doubt it. He vowed not to post about politics anymore, and he's kept his word. I'm actually really impressed by the level of self-restraint.
yep. me too.
and it's interesting to see him with pictures of Judy Garland and listening to all sorts of showtunes. It's like he's been issued a card, but it isn't activated. I have conflicting emotions...:lol:
David
12-08-2005, 01:36 PM
Ann Coulter to audience: You're stupider than I am
STORRS, Connecticut (AP) -- Conservative columnist Ann Coulter cut short a speech at the University of Connecticut amid boos and jeers, and decided to hold a question-and-answer session instead.
Coulter's appearance prompted protests from several student groups. About 100 people rallied outside the auditorium where she spoke, saying she spread a message of intolerance.Coulter isn't anyone I admire. She's shrill, yappity, smug & mean-spirited. But this campus response is just so typical of the times & so repulsively ironic. These students are equally smug: congratulating themselves on their "tolerance" & their "open-mindedness" & in the next instant calling for the cancellation of a speech.
"We encourage diverse opinion at UConn, but this is blatant hate speech," said Eric Knudsen,In other words, Mr. Knudsen, you'll allow other opinions up to & presumably including the point at which YOU deem those opinions tolerable? You take it upon yourself & your cute little do-as-we-say-not-as-we-do student group to decide for OTHER students what they may or may not hear? I must say, that's ever so gracious of you.
a 19-year-old sophomore journalism and social welfare major who heads campus group Students Against Hate.File that one under the "Against Which, Who Can Be?" category.
"Students Against Hate" ... LOL!! I'm sure that somewhere on some campus there's a group of childishly yappity students banded together under the name "Students In Favor Of Air."
These students these days ... they have a lot of learning to do. But the university life merely indoctrinates & inculcates prefab sentiments in their feeble little brains. They make even Ann Coulter look sharp.
UConn junior Kareem Mohni, 20, said he was disgusted by his peers' reaction to Coulter. "It really appalled me that we're not able to come together as a group and listen to a different view in a respectful environment," Mohni said.Ah!! A light in the dark void!! Give this guy a scholarship.
Coulter isn't anyone I admire. She's shrill, yappity, smug & mean-spirited. But this campus response is just so typical of the times & so repulsively ironic. These students are equally smug: congratulating themselves on their "tolerance" & their "open-mindedness" & in the next instant calling for the cancellation of a speech.
I tend to find these types of student responses silly as well, but nowhere in the article did it say the students were calling for the speech to be cancelled. It just said that they were "protesting," which likely means nothing more than that a bunch of them sat outside the auditorium in the cold and talked amongst themselves about how they don't like Ann Coulter, and maybe yelled at other students walking into the auditorium to boycott it and hang out with them outside in the cold instead.
SteveMacD
12-08-2005, 02:00 PM
Yeah, but people have got to be heard. They HAVE to let the world know their opinions regardless of time or place. During my graduation ceremony at Ohio State, one of the bachelor level grads in the Social Work program got up during the keynote speech by J.C. Watts, the out-going black Republican Congressman, because she and her group disagreed with the Republicans. What was funny for me is that all of the other Social Work grads told her to just sit down and shut up, and it's not like they're fans of Mr. Watts, either.
DavidMn
12-08-2005, 02:16 PM
If I dont like it, I dont listen to it. I'm a person that wants to hear BOTH sides of an arguement or issue, but along with Ann Coulter, I can't stand Liberal types that think their dhit dont stink either.:nod:
dissention
12-08-2005, 02:28 PM
If I dont like it, I dont listen to it. I'm a person that wants to hear BOTH sides of an arguement or issue, but along with Ann Coulter, I can't stand Liberal types that think their dhit dont stink either.:nod:
As opposed to conservative types like Man Coulter who think their **** doesn't stink? Pfft. The real question is why a state college is paying Man Coulter to come and give one of her stock speeches about how liberals are guilty of treason, how they hate America, how McCarthy is one of the greatest heroes our country has ever seen, and so on.
Let's save the "opposing viewpoints" and "respect for other views" malarkey for another day; this is a woman whose intrinsic purpose is to show disrespect for those who don't hold her amazingly absurd views by referring to them as traitors & treasonists. That's how she's made her millions and it's on that basis that she was even offered the cash for this speaking gig.
Mister Kareem Mohni must have been snorting some sort of illicit substance in the auditorium john for him to have called anything with Coulter involved a "respectful environment" with a straight face.
DavidMn
12-08-2005, 02:46 PM
As opposed to conservative types like Man Coulter who think their **** doesn't stink? Pfft. The real question is why a state college is paying Man Coulter to come and give one of her stock speeches about how liberals are guilty of treason, how they hate America, how McCarthy is one of the greatest heroes our country has ever seen, and so on.
Let's save the "opposing viewpoints" and "respect for other views" malarkey for another day; this is a woman whose intrinsic purpose is to show disrespect for those who don't hold her amazingly absurd views by referring to them as traitors & treasonists. That's how she's made her millions and it's on that basis that she was even offered the cash for this speaking gig.
Mister Kareem Mohni must have been snorting some sort of illicit substance in the auditorium john for him to have called anything with Coulter involved a "respectful environment" with a straight face.Dont get me wrong, I CANT STAND HER believe me. BTW where the hell have you been? I've been going through withdrawl...:lol:
Yeah, but people have got to be heard. They HAVE to let the world know their opinions regardless of time or place. During my graduation ceremony at Ohio State, one of the bachelor level grads in the Social Work program got up during the keynote speech by J.C. Watts, the out-going black Republican Congressman, because she and her group disagreed with the Republicans. What was funny for me is that all of the other Social Work grads told her to just sit down and shut up, and it's not like they're fans of Mr. Watts, either.
I would imagine that Mr. Watts was at least giving an intelligent, measured speech, though, not spouting off inflammatory nonsense and calling people stupid traitors.
Don't get me wrong, normally I would agree with you that people should be respectful of someone who is giving a speech, even if they disagree with what's being said. But Ann Coulter invites exactly this kind of reaction by acting the same way herself. And she knows it, and she enjoys it. She has no right to expect the respect of any audience when she refuses to offer her audiences that same respect.
David
12-08-2005, 03:33 PM
Yeah, but people have got to be heard.People don't have to be heard, necessarily. I hear a lot of people every day saying things that no one else needs -- or even wants -- to hear. I don't make the mistake of assuming that all opinions are meritorious & deserve dissemination. But the alternative is the problem: I don't under any circumstances want other individuals or bands of censorious thugs & busybodies deciding what I hear or don't hear. It's none of their damned business.
If I want to read a book or see a speech by Ann Coulter or Noam Chomsky or Gore Vidal or John Wayne, I will not allow Students Against Hate or Grandmas For Pornographic TV or any other busybody group to impinge on my prerogatives. I don't need babysitting. I've outgrown that need.
DavidMn
12-08-2005, 03:34 PM
People don't have to be heard, necessarily. I hear a lot of people every day saying things that no one else needs -- or even wants -- to hear. I don't make the mistake of assuming that all opinions are meritorious & deserve dissemination. But the alternative is the problem: I don't under any circumstances want other individuals or bands of censorious thugs & busybodies deciding what I hear or don't hear. It's none of their damned business.
If I want to read a book or see a speech by Ann Coulter or Noam Chomsky or Gore Vidal or John Wayne, I will not allow Students Against Hate or Grandmas For Pornographic TV or any other busybody group to impinge on my prerogatives. I don't need babysitting. I've outgrown that need.Grandma's for pornos huh?:lol: Actually, I wouldnt be surprised it a group like that existed.
ryan8472
12-08-2005, 03:37 PM
Apparently she was booed off stage too. I love my state. :D
DavidMn
12-08-2005, 03:39 PM
Apparently she was booed off stage too. I love my state. :DI like it too, at least the part that are Red Sox fans...:p
SuzeQuze
12-08-2005, 03:57 PM
I tend to find these types of student responses silly as well, but nowhere in the article did it say the students were calling for the speech to be cancelled. It just said that they were "protesting," which likely means nothing more than that a bunch of them sat outside the auditorium in the cold and talked amongst themselves about how they don't like Ann Coulter, and maybe yelled at other students walking into the auditorium to boycott it and hang out with them outside in the cold instead.
Stephanie Miller reported that they booed her all through the part of the speech she was able to get through and she finally quit. :laugh:
If I dont like it, I dont listen to it. I'm a person that wants to hear BOTH sides of an arguement or issue, but along with Ann Coulter, I can't stand Liberal types that think their dhit dont stink either.:nod:
Just a "sh*t doesn't stink liberal" coming in to clarify, "thinking that your sh*t doesn't stink" isn't a Liberal or a Conservative thing for that matter. It's just a human thing. :cool:
SuzeQuze
12-08-2005, 03:59 PM
As opposed to conservative types like Man Coulter who think their **** doesn't stink? Pfft. The real question is why a state college is paying Man Coulter to come and give one of her stock speeches about how liberals are guilty of treason, how they hate America, how McCarthy is one of the greatest heroes our country has ever seen, and so on.
Let's save the "opposing viewpoints" and "respect for other views" malarkey for another day; this is a woman whose intrinsic purpose is to show disrespect for those who don't hold her amazingly absurd views by referring to them as traitors & treasonists. That's how she's made her millions and it's on that basis that she was even offered the cash for this speaking gig.
Mister Kareem Mohni must have been snorting some sort of illicit substance in the auditorium john for him to have called anything with Coulter involved a "respectful environment" with a straight face.
:xoxo: Ah, the voice of reason.:laugh: I've missed you!
If she had a single real point to make I would listen but you pretty much covered her agenda above. What a waste of the students' money.
SuzeQuze
12-08-2005, 04:01 PM
Apparently she was booed off stage too. I love my state. :D
Woops, I see you covered the booing already, my bad.
gldstwmn
12-08-2005, 04:17 PM
Her books sales must be lagging so she does something outrageous to get her mug in the news again.
I wonder if all the money is really worth the lengths she has to go to in order to exist in this world. Or maybe she really is just drunk all the time. :shrug:
SteveMacD
12-08-2005, 04:19 PM
People don't have to be heard, necessarily.
I was being sarcastic. ;) My point is that there are some people who feel that all is not right with world unless they've given their opinon, and should probably learn the joys of just sitting down and shutting up every once in a while.
Her books sales must be lagging so she does something outrageous to get her mug in the news again.
I wonder if all the money is really worth the lengths she has to go to in order to exist in this world. Or maybe she really is just drunk all the time. :shrug:
Ann doesn't strike me as an alkie. She seems more the cokehead type.
ryan8472
12-08-2005, 05:23 PM
Woops, I see you covered the booing already, my bad.
I heard on the radio that she cried too. That seems kind of suspect though. You'd think she'd be used to people not liking her? :p
wondergirl9847
12-08-2005, 05:52 PM
Grandmas For Pornographic TV...
Hysterical, David!! :laugh:
She has the right to say whatever the frick she wants...even if it is stupid.
David
12-08-2005, 06:20 PM
I was being sarcastic. ;) My point is that there are some people who feel that all is not right with world unless they've given their opinon, and should probably learn the joys of just sitting down and shutting up every once in a while.Steve, you & I should start a thread on the thematic & musical parallels between Stevie's "Beauty & the Beast" ("I would die/In your shadow/I believe") & David Bowie's "Beauty & the Beast" ("Hey hey/Smile at least/You can't say no to the beauty & the beast/Darlin' "). It would rock the forum to its very foundations!
I heard on the radio that she cried too.
That's gotta be false. (And if it's not, good. She should feel bad about herself.) She knows exactly what kind of reaction she's going to get with the way she speaks. That's half the point with her.
irishgrl
12-08-2005, 08:09 PM
I just read this as well. It's always nice when people reconfirm your worst prejudices against them.
But my favorite part was this:
I mean, first of all, you've got the inherent hilarity of any Bush lackey questioning the legitimacy of someone else's presidency.
But also: sour grapes, much? Clinton's been out of office for five whole years, during which time conservatives have held an iron grip on nearly every facet and level of government, but they're still obsessed with the guy. They can't stop talking about him for even five minutes. It's incredible how important a figure he is in their mythology. And somehow, he's still the scapegoat for everything Bush does wrong.
"How can you support Bush when he did X?"
"Yeah well, Clinton did Y!"
"That didn't answer my question."
"Clinton was the worst president ever!"
"Okay... but -"
"And Hillary's even worse! Actually, we hope the Democrats nominate her!"
"But that's not what I -"
"And Chelsea's ugly!"
well put, perfect post as is +++
SuzeQuze
12-09-2005, 01:49 PM
I heard on the radio that she cried too. That seems kind of suspect though. You'd think she'd be used to people not liking her? :p
Its her karma, man. She's done it to herself.
johndoe
12-09-2005, 04:19 PM
She has the right to say whatever the frick she wants...even if it is stupid.
Agreed. Though she is a bitch, evil, arrogant, and mean, she does have a right to say it. Its like the nazis. No one agrees with them, but they still get to march.
cliffdweller
12-09-2005, 05:51 PM
Let's save the "opposing viewpoints" and "respect for other views" malarkey for another day; this is a woman whose intrinsic purpose is to show disrespect for those who don't hold her amazingly absurd views by referring to them as traitors & treasonists.
Bingo! As Stanley Fish so eloquently stated once, we've gotta run the f*ckers out! Don't engage these motherf*ckers in a debate, RUN THEM THE F*CK OUT.
irishgrl
12-09-2005, 08:59 PM
if the majority of her audience boo'd her, who the heck hired her to speak? :shrug: why didnt THEY stop the booers? thats a heck of a lot of money to fork over for an aborted speech....
btw: Im not surprised at the response she got, I agree, its her Karma. She's done nothing but belittle and berate and I am personally glad she got boo'd. She may have the right to say what she wants in her speech but the audience has the right to disagree. If others in the audience or faculty (or whatever) felt she was being treated shamefully then they should have stepped forward. Im not sure why it was allowed to continue but it doesnt jive with hiring her in the first place :shrug:
if the majority of her audience boo'd her, who the heck hired her to speak? :shrug:
Probably the campus College Republicans student group. And I'm sure they knew when they hired her that she would get a virulent reaction.
DavidMn
12-10-2005, 01:51 PM
Just a "sh*t doesn't stink liberal" coming in to clarify, "thinking that your sh*t doesn't stink" isn't a Liberal or a Conservative thing for that matter. It's just a human thing. :cool:No youre right.maybe I shouldve worded that differently.
DavidMn
12-10-2005, 01:52 PM
Probably the campus College Republicans student group. And I'm sure they knew when they hired her that she would get a virulent reaction.I dont know why they would feel the need to stir the pot like that.
I dont know why they would feel the need to stir the pot like that.
To get attention for themselves? College Republican groups aren't exactly the most popualr student groups on most American college campuses, especially in a state like Connecticut. Plus, Coulter is a high profile name, and it always looks good when a student group can draw a "celebrity" speaker.
DavidMn
12-10-2005, 02:17 PM
To get attention for themselves? College Republican groups aren't exactly the most popualr student groups on most American college campuses, especially in a state like Connecticut. Plus, Coulter is a high profile name, and it always looks good when a student group can draw a "celebrity" speaker.I was trying to be a bit sarcastic there. Yeah, those college Republicans can be a bit boorish at times cant they?
dontlookdown
12-11-2005, 02:01 AM
Ann Coulter is a disgusting piece of white trash. She is among the dregs of society. Clearly - this is someone who has achieved great financial success from being nothing more then an angry mediocre human being.
A walking example of the "dumbing down of America".
Oddly enough that guy that we employee in the White House fits the same description!
Brwn_eyes0511
12-11-2005, 02:41 AM
Ann Coulter is a disgusting piece of white trash.
racist! ;)
im like so tore upp rit now...and i swre i wont going to post in this threadd...but whn im drunk i doooooooooonnnnnnnttttt care!
JazmenFlowers
12-11-2005, 02:54 AM
racist! ;)
im like so tore upp rit now...and i swre i wont going to post in this threadd...but whn im drunk i doooooooooonnnnnnnttttt care!
you? drunk? it can't be!
lol - I wish I were drunk. I almost got drunk tonight, but decided on Chinese instead...now, I wish I had gotten drunk.
Brwn_eyes0511
12-11-2005, 03:10 AM
you? drunk? it can't be!
lol - I wish I were drunk. I almost got drunk tonight, but decided on Chinese instead...now, I wish I had gotten drunk.
i like japan food...or whtever you call it!
but you shoulld have drank...gooooood times!
JazmenFlowers
12-11-2005, 03:25 AM
i like japan food...or whtever you call it!
but you shoulld have drank...gooooood times!
I like Japanese food better than Chinese too, but there is a great little Chinese place around the corner from the house.
I know, I should've drank instead. What's your drink of choice?
strandinthewind
12-11-2005, 03:38 AM
. . . What's your drink of choice?
A lot :cool: :wavey:
Brwn_eyes0511
12-11-2005, 04:54 AM
I like Japanese food better than Chinese too, but there is a great little Chinese place around the corner from the house.
I know, I should've drank instead. What's your drink of choice?
OMG! im down from the drinking now...:o :o :o
sorry...
i had to wind down...to drive others home! I had corona, sex on the beach, and some other stuff...big party...lots of dancing...and even to some FM songs (but christine songs only...sorry chiffonheads...I LOVE Stevie, but most of her stuff isn't "dancing" material)...lots of DRAMA...and then had to take some home...funny thing is...I started drinking earlier and got really messed up...I came down for a while and then started up AGAIN!! :o
oh dear...
gnite!
and btw Jason...I LOVE the group shot pic in your siggy! GREAT STUFF! :)
SteveMacD
12-11-2005, 03:29 PM
if the majority of her audience boo'd her, who the heck hired her to speak? :shrug: why didnt THEY stop the booers? thats a heck of a lot of money to fork over for an aborted speech....
Really! I mean, we ALL know how they feel about abortion in the first place. And then to pay to let Ann just abort that easily in front of the student body...For shame. :distress:
SteveMacD
12-11-2005, 03:31 PM
you? drunk? it can't be!
lol - I wish I were drunk. I almost got drunk tonight, but decided on Chinese instead...now, I wish I had gotten drunk.
Ironically, I got drunk AFTER eating Chinese (pork lo mein).
SteveMacD
12-11-2005, 03:32 PM
im like so tore upp rit now...and i swre i wont going to post in this threadd...but whn im drunk i doooooooooonnnnnnnttttt care!
You're such a Kennedy.
Brwn_eyes0511
12-11-2005, 03:47 PM
You're such a Kennedy.
I just don't drive in cars while intoxicated....;)
irishgrl
12-11-2005, 08:49 PM
Really! I mean, we ALL know how they feel about abortion in the first place. And then to pay to let Ann just abort that easily in front of the student body...For shame. :distress:
I'd kiss you, but my teeth would get in the way. sorry about that......
SteveMacD
12-11-2005, 09:15 PM
Have you ever seen a sitting of Parliament in Britain or Australia?
Canada STILL gets no lovin' :distress:
irishgrl
12-11-2005, 09:46 PM
Canada STILL gets no lovin' :distress:
well? what's their claim to fame? the mounties? the yukon?
the MacKenzie Brothers? (that alone would get MY vote)
if the Frenchies werent so rabid against Americans, I think they'd get a bit more face time, but as it is............JMO...........:shrug:
Brwn_eyes0511
12-11-2005, 09:48 PM
if the Frenchies werent so rabid against Americans
...or English speaking Canadians for that matter! :laugh:
SteveMacD
12-11-2005, 09:56 PM
Being Australian, I'm familiar with our own Parliament and that of our mother country. It's too challenging to keep up with all the siblings as well.
Yeah, but that's a BIG one! David is from California. While most Americans aren't THAT familiar with the Government of Canada, I think it's safe to say that Americans would be more familiar with the British and Canadian Parliaments than the Australian.
I imagine Canadians aren't too educated on the Australian Parliament, atleast I hope not or I have a lot of reputation rescuing to do.
Actually, the CBC Newsworld has a program with ABC (the Australian channel, not the US one) called Hemispheres (http://www.cbc.ca/programguide/program/index.jsp?program=Hemispheres), where they talk about international issues from Canadian and Australian perspectives. I don't think it's a stretch to suggest that they may also talk about their own governments. I would assume that the show is on ABC. Also, CBC Radio One broadcasts about an hour of Australian public radio during the late night, early morning hours. A lot of Canadians actually feel closer to Australia than the USA, and thus try to keep informed of Aussie issues.
irishgrl
12-11-2005, 10:06 PM
granted, I dont get those channels on TV, but its not that hard to get internet news for any particular country if I want to.......but, I'll admit, I havent done a search for Aussie news in a coons age. My bad.
You have a lot of learning to do. Your sense of intellectual superiority when you out-wit and out-age the fellow members of this, a meaningless message board is only so relevant. You may think that Fleetwood Mac experts are the ones who should be cherished but how wrong you are. Young people who care about social issues and the way their country is headed are the ones who should be cherished, people who respond to a voice of fascism with vocal outrage should be appreciated. Laughing at their efforts to create a more tolerant society is a f*cking disgrace.
Have you ever seen a sitting of Parliament in Britain or Australia? It's about the freedom to vocalise your response. When the opposition is fed fascist crap you can bet they shout out about it, as they should, or would you prefer if they sat in silence? These students would have gone and listened, they didn't walk in screaming and throwing things but if you're fed and don't show outrage to principles from the likes of Himmler, there's something wrong with you. It's so easy to feel superior and laugh from a stupid message board but do remember that you're the one who looks pathetic.
Ah, the ol' "It sure is easy to act superior to others on a stupid Internet message board, but really, you're the one who's inferior." I always wonder if the people who post such things recognize the immediate irony.
(For the record: While I agree with you, Lux, that Ms. Coulter should not have been offered even the tiniest sliver of respect by the UConn student body, I think David is right that the existence of meaningless PC campus groups like "Students Against Hate" is just a wee bit precious and silly. Most colleges boast lots of politically, socially and philanthropically active campus groups that have actual agendas and goals, but crap like "Students Against Hate" just gives overly-PC 20-somethings the chance to pat each other on the backs for being such wonderful and tolerant human beings.)
Canada STILL gets no lovin' :distress:
Not when you whine like that, you don't. Nobody likes a bunch of whiners.
(Besides, don't you think if there was anything at all worthwhile going on in Canada, we'd have annexed you by now?)
Brwn_eyes0511
12-11-2005, 10:50 PM
Jesus this place is tiring. Fine, what a bunch of idiots trying to spread tolerance. I will laugh at them and their efforts, shake my head as I recognise my superiority from this chair where I debate linguistics, keys of Fleetwood Mac songs and feel intelligent because of my musical tastes and ability to defend their originality to a group I intimidate. I will feel important and smile to myself as I post and realise I made a good point, then I will sleep well knowing my accomplishment.
Yep, that seems to be your style.
Brwn_eyes0511
12-11-2005, 10:56 PM
*%#@)(%#()%##()**#&(*&(*@$*@)& :mad:
:( sowy!
But, hey...I'm not the negative nancy here!!!!
irishgrl
12-11-2005, 11:00 PM
the sad fact is, everyone wakes up, even Lux.
irishgrl
12-12-2005, 12:02 AM
I'm not sure what that means.
come come~ you're the one that said this:
then I will sleep well knowing my accomplishment.
the point is, no matter how "sound" your sleep, you will always awaken to the dreary reality that your dreams arent quite what you thought they were....
Moony
12-12-2005, 12:47 AM
Jesus this place is tiring. Fine, what a bunch of idiots trying to spread tolerance. I will laugh at them and their efforts, shake my head as I recognise my superiority from this chair where I debate linguistics, keys of Fleetwood Mac songs and feel intelligent because of my musical tastes and ability to defend their originality to a group I intimidate. I will feel important and smile to myself as I post and realise I made a good point, then I will sleep well knowing my accomplishment.
People don't give you enough credit on how observant you are.
I agree with all of your posts, mah dear.
Brwn_eyes0511
12-12-2005, 12:58 AM
People don't give you enough credit on how observant you are.
I agree with all of your posts, mah dear.
Oh dear her head might swell...
Moony
12-12-2005, 01:33 AM
Oh dear her head might swell...
I doubt it.
Jesus this place is tiring. Fine, what a bunch of idiots trying to spread tolerance. I will laugh at them and their efforts, shake my head as I recognise my superiority from this chair where I debate linguistics, keys of Fleetwood Mac songs and feel intelligent because of my musical tastes and ability to defend their originality to a group I intimidate. I will feel important and smile to myself as I post and realise I made a good point, then I will sleep well knowing my accomplishment.
You poor, tireless crusader, you. How do you do it?
Seriously, though, do you recognize the immediate irony when you post things like this?
irishgrl
12-12-2005, 07:32 AM
You poor, tireless crusader, you. How do you do it?
Seriously, though, do you recognize the immediate irony when you post things like this?
um, I think she was describing you :shrug:
um, I think she was describing you :shrug:
I think she was mostly going for David, actually.
Are you not catching the irony either?
irishgrl
12-12-2005, 08:27 AM
I think she was mostly going for David, actually.
Are you not catching the irony either?
are you sure? he didnt have a linguistic debate did he?
as for the irony, Im not sure. I thought I did when it looked like she was describing you, but maybe you're seeing something Im not? care to share?
are you sure? he didnt have a linguistic debate did he?
Not really, though he was the one to bring up the term hermeneutics. "Keys of Fleetwood Mac songs," though? As much as I wish I studied music enough and had that kind of ear, I couldn't tell you the key of a single Mac song. David loves that ****, though. The "defending the originality of our musical tastes" thing I suppose could apply to either one of us, though that's certainly never my MO. And David's also always the one who seems to get the rap that he's trying to "intimidate" people (which sounds like a load of crap to me, who on earth is intimidated by David? He's an eloquent music nerd with a penchant for aesthetic theory, not a bouncer).
as for the irony, Im not sure. I thought I did when it looked like she was describing you, but maybe you're seeing something Im not? care to share?
Aww, it's never as fun when you have to explain it away, but: "I will feel important and smile to myself as I post and realise I made a good point, then I will sleep well knowing my accomplishment?" Granted, Lux doesn't smile to herself as much as she releases an overly dramatic, world-weary sigh, but still. And take a gander at the condescension and assumed superiority in her first post where she excoriates David for daring to act superior. That's some delicious pot-keetle-blackness goin' on up in herre.
I was referring to both, you were specifically covered, and I don't care to debate this with you because that would surely be the ironic aspect. One will walk away feeling successful, feeling they made the winning argument, have a laugh at the other's expense and then we can come back tomorrow and start all over again. That is simply tiring but when mocking others into a sense of superiority involves subjects who actively do only good, it is rather pathetic. Now it's not even about that, it's about defining irony which is back to tiring. If you think I want to debate the irony then you ought to read the post again.
You ought to read mine again as well. It's a big assumption to think that a campus group like "Students Against Hate" "actively does only good." They very well might do good, but they very well might also do nothing other than incestual back-patting, as I mentioned. There are groups like this at a lot of universities, with these bland and ultimately meaningless names, and they really don't do much of anything because they really don't have much of an agenda beyond "Hate is bad."
As I said, UConn and other American universities have lots of socially- and politically-minded student groups with actual goals who (hopefully) engage in atcual productive activities. UConn's got an Animal Rights Club, Students for Sensible Drug Policy, Food Not Bombs, Queers United Against Discrimination, Amnesty International, College Democrats, College Republicans, Habitat for Humanity, American Red Cross, V-Day Campaign, NOW... But I'll be damned if I can find a listing for Students Against Hate on the UConn website: http://www.ca.uconn.edu/csiapp/OrganizationInfo/all.cfm
Actually, the only references to the club that I can even find online are in connection with the Coulter speech, including an article which claims that Students Against Hate's mission statement is as follows: "Students Against Hate seeks to be a proactive presence on campus. Because we recognize and cherish our First Amendment right to freedom of speech, we are here to encourage the expression of opposing points of view in positive and respectful discussion without invoking anger and fear or further polarizing the student body. We hope to reach out to the entire UConn community in a peaceful manner to encourage constructive discourse, free of hate and discrimination." So what exactly is it they do again? http://freeuconn.com/articles/showarticle.php?id=11
Again, I'm not agreeing with David, but I also don't think that student groups like this should just be automatically lauded because they're "against hate." Standing outside an auditorium and chanting "You suck!" at Ann Coulter is not my idea of productive campus do-goodery (nor does it really seem in line with that brilliant mission statement).
SteveMacD
12-12-2005, 09:41 AM
Not when you whine like that, you don't. Nobody likes a bunch of whiners.
(Besides, don't you think if there was anything at all worthwhile going on in Canada, we'd have annexed you by now?)
Uhh, Jyqm, I'm not Canadian. I was born, raised, and still live in Dayton, Ohio. Although, I DO love hockey and Molson's.
Uhh, Jyqm, I'm not Canadian. I was born, raised, and still live in Dayton, Ohio. Although, I DO love hockey and Molson's.
I know, but it just wouldn't have been as amusing outside the second person...
irishgrl
12-12-2005, 11:22 AM
You ought to read mine again as well. It's a big assumption to think that a campus group like "Students Against Hate" "actively does only good." They very well might do good, but they very well might also do nothing other than incestual back-patting, as I mentioned. There are groups like this at a lot of universities, with these bland and ultimately meaningless names, and they really don't do much of anything because they really don't have much of an agenda beyond "Hate is bad."
Actually, the only references to the club that I can even find online are in connection with the Coulter speech, including an article which claims that Students Against Hate's mission statement is as follows: "Students Against Hate seeks to be a proactive presence on campus. Because we recognize and cherish our First Amendment right to freedom of speech, we are here to encourage the expression of opposing points of view in positive and respectful discussion without invoking anger and fear or further polarizing the student body. We hope to reach out to the entire UConn community in a peaceful manner to encourage constructive discourse, free of hate and discrimination." So what exactly is it they do again? http://freeuconn.com/articles/showarticle.php?id=11
Standing outside an auditorium and chanting "You suck!" at Ann Coulter is not my idea of productive campus do-goodery (nor does it really seem in line with that brilliant mission statement).
Maybe I missed this, did the article say that the protestors were from that group? I thought it was just a hodge-podge of people who just plain dont like Ann Coulter? Possibly it was the Students Against Hate that hired her in the first place since that would be in keeping with their mission statement? Then again, with Ann Coulter's track record of negativity, Im surprised such a group would even consider her to be a speaker (if in fact they did hire her to speak)
Maybe I missed this, did the article say that the protestors were from that group? I thought it was just a hodge-podge of people who just plain dont like Ann Coulter? Possibly it was the Students Against Hate that hired her in the first place since that would be in keeping with their mission statement? Then again, with Ann Coulter's track record of negativity, Im surprised such a group would even consider her to be a speaker (if in fact they did hire her to speak)
No, take a look at the original article again:
Coulter's appearance prompted protests from several student groups. About 100 people rallied outside the auditorium where she spoke, saying she spread a message of intolerance.
"We encourage diverse opinion at UConn, but this is blatant hate speech," said Eric Knudsen, a 19-year-old sophomore journalism and social welfare major who heads campus group Students Against Hate.
They certainly were not the ones who booked her. Actually, here's an article from the UConn student paper that confirms something I suspected: this Students Against Hate group was invented specifically in response to Coulter's speech. (Although comparing the two articles, it's a little unclear whether the Students Against Hate kids were protesting, holding an alternative event somewhere else, or both.)
http://www.dailycampus.com/media/paper340/news/2005/12/08/Focus/stop-The.Hate.Provides.Alternative.To.Coulters.Speech-1125192.shtml?norewrite&sourcedomain=www.dailycampus.com
'Stop The Hate' Provides Alternative to Coulter's Speech
By: Connie Yan
Issue date: 12/8/05
As students lined up around Jorgensen Center for the Performing Arts to see Ann Coulter's latest speech, many were sitting inside the Student Union Theater at Stop The Hate 2005.
Queers United Against Discrimination (QUAD), the Puerto Rican/Latin American Cultural Center, the Rainbow Center and Students Against Hate sponsored the event as an alternative event to the Coulter speech.
Students Against Hate is an organization that formed as a result of Coulter's first appearance at UConn.
"Mainly our goal was to throw this counter Coulter event," said Samantha Harrigan, a 3rd-semester pre-communications major and a member of the organization.
"We're really trying to deter people from going," Harrigan said as students handed out fliers instructing people to walk out of the Coulter speech at 7:45 p.m.
Media buzz is stronger than ever, as the controversy surrounding the Coulter speech brought in the Associated Press, ABC, Fox and more.
The event included speakers from the UConn community sharing their experiences with discrimination and hate, even in today's society.
The message of alumni and current UConn students was not to be anti-Republican or anti-religion. Chris Albert, a graduate student, is a Christian and a marine. He feels that people like Coulter threaten the three most important things to him - God, his country and his family. He feels Coulter's opinions are an example of "false patriotism."
Albert said he will not be attending Coulter's speech because "she has nothing to offer me," and encourages everyone else to do the same. Albert also encourages not to relay hate messages towards her.
"She wants you to heckle her," he said.
The event attracted not only the attention of the media, but also that of local politicians. Although they were unable to attend, State Rep. Denise W. Merrill and Congresswoman Rosa L. DeLaura sent letters and wishes.
This event is a "demonstration of democracy," DeLaura said in her letter.
Jerome Smith, UConn alumni and the chief of staff for the Boston city counselor, shared his experiences of being a minority, both ethnic and sexual orientation wise, at the event.
"I constantly had to struggle," Smith said. This struggle caused Smith to be depressed and on the verge of suicide. After coming out to his family, he felt "finally for once I had put my two worlds together."
Smith's story encourages acceptance of others and for one's own self. In addition to sharing his story, Smith had planned to quote Coulter for the audience, but decided to spare the audience because "Ann Coulter's quotes aren't original," Smith said.
Member of the Muslim Student Association Ali Langston determined that "ignorance is something that divides us as a people." In encouraging diversity and unity, he shared with the audience some background on the Islam religion, and how different it is from the terrorist group al-Qaida. Since the 9/11 attack, the media has given Islam a negative connotation, according to Langston, which could not be further from the truth.
"Islam is a word that means peace," Langston said
Speaker Hana Kim, a 5th-semester sociology and psychology major, brought attention to racism and bigotry present on the UConn campus. She was brought to tears when recalling an event that took place outside of McMahon residence halls. Although the act was not violent, she was "being objectified using language," Kim said.
As an Asian American, she feels that "when people look at me they see these features and they assume certain things."
The words of Kim, Smith, Langston and Albert were not the only ones heard. An Open Mic session allowed audience members to voice their opinions and reactions to the event.
Stop The Hate 2005's main message was to discourage students from supporting hate speeches from Coulter, who Smith referred to as "one of the leading bigots in the United States."
SuzeQuze
12-12-2005, 02:00 PM
Maybe its just me but I think that talking against hate and raising awareness of how much bigotry is still out there is being "productive" in and of itself.
Maybe its just me but I think that talking against hate and raising awareness of how much bigotry is still out there is being "productive" in and of itself.
Whose awareness are they raising? If they were giving lectures at high schools or sponsoring community events, I might agree with you. But holding an open mic night at the student union so that the choir of self-righteous UConn students can preach tolerance to themselves and offer each other hugs and hot chocolate while congratulating each other for not attending Coulter's speech isn't really what I'd call getting the word out.
cliffdweller
12-12-2005, 02:20 PM
You ought to read mine again as well. It's a big assumption to think that a campus group like "Students Against Hate" "actively does only good." They very well might do good, but they very well might also do nothing other than incestual back-patting, as I mentioned. There are groups like this at a lot of universities, with these bland and ultimately meaningless names, and they really don't do much of anything because they really don't have much of an agenda beyond "Hate is bad."
Yeah, but as long as you're not part of the problem right? I don't see the inherent evil in these P.C. groups. I understand there is a problem with over-theorizing and not stepping beyond that into action, but that's not what these student groups are doing. Most of them do act, maybe not as radically as one would like, but hey, at least they are voicing concern, attracting attention to social/poltical issues, and perhaps engaging other students who would not have gotten involved otherwise. It's better than doing nothing imo.
Yeah, but as long as you're not part of the problem right? I don't see the inherent evil in these P.C. groups.
Oh no, they're not evil, they're just pointless, particularly with the glut of other socially-minded student groups that already exist on American campuses everywhere.
I understand there is a problem with over-theorizing and not stepping beyond that into action, but that's not what these student groups are doing.
If UConn's Students Against Hate group ever does anything beyond their little anti-Coulter love-in, I'll take back my comments about them being silly and pointless and masturbatory. Until then, though, open mic nights at the student union don't count as "action" in my book. The only people who go to these things are the students who are already in the club or who already know that "hate" = bad. They're not opening up anybody's eyes, and they're not effecting any change.
Is it better than nothing? Ehhh, I don't know. It's not worse than nothing, I'll at least give you that.
irishgrl
12-12-2005, 02:38 PM
No, take a look at the original article again:
Coulter's appearance prompted protests from several student groups. About 100 people rallied outside the auditorium where she spoke, saying she spread a message of intolerance.
"We encourage diverse opinion at UConn, but this is blatant hate speech," said Eric Knudsen, a 19-year-old sophomore journalism and social welfare major who heads campus group Students Against Hate.
Well, I can certainly believe that the Students against Hate were part of the protestors, but not the ONLY protestors :shrug:
They certainly were not the ones who booked her.
ok, I was just throwing that out there, but I didnt have any convictions about that idea one way or another.
Actually, here's an article from the UConn student paper that confirms something I suspected: this Students Against Hate group was invented specifically in response to Coulter's speech. (Although comparing the two articles, it's a little unclear whether the Students Against Hate kids were protesting, holding an alternative event somewhere else, or both.)
What tipped you off that the group was formed in response to her speaking?
I didnt see anything that raised any flags, so Im curious as to what made you suspicious.....
cliffdweller
12-12-2005, 02:43 PM
Oh no, they're not evil, they're just pointless, particularly with the glut of other socially-minded student groups that already exist on American campuses everywhere.
If UConn's Students Against Hate group ever does anything beyond their little anti-Coulter love-in, I'll take back my comments about them being silly and pointless and masturbatory. Until then, though, open mic nights at the student union don't count as "action" in my book. The only people who go to these things are the students who are already in the club or who already know that "hate" = bad. They're not opening up anybody's eyes, and they're not effecting any change.
Is it better than nothing? Ehhh, I don't know. It's not worse than nothing, I'll at least give you that.
Sour grapes much? Okay, which student group did you get kicked out of? :laugh::xoxo:.
Well, I can certainly believe that the Students against Hate were part of the protestors, but not the ONLY protestors :shrug:
Oh no, definitely not, I think that article mentioned a number of other student groups that were involved in protesting, and I"m sure there were some non-affiliated kids who showed up too.
What tipped you off that the group was formed in response to her speaking?
I didnt see anything that raised any flags, so Im curious as to what made you suspicious.....
It was just the name: "Students Against Hate." That's not the name of a student group that somebody just came with one day. As opposed to: "You know, protecting the environment is important, but there aren't any environmental groups on campus. I think I'll create one." Or: "You know, we have such a large queer community at this school, but there's no student group representing our interests or promoting tolerance of our lifestyles. I think I'll create one." There's no specific issue or constituency that this group is serving. "Students Against Hate" just sounds like the name of a "task force" created in response to a specific event, like a string of hate crimes... or a speech by someone controversial and hateful. You don't create a student group "against" something, unless there's something specific that you're against. I doubt there were many active "Students Against War" groups on American campuses in 2000.
Sour grapes much? Okay, which student group did you get kicked out of? :laugh::xoxo:.
No stealing my lines!
I can count the number of student groups I was in in college on one hand. Oh wait... don't even need that one! (Does this surprise anyone? Do I seem like a person who lines up to join groups, no matter what kinds of cool things they're doing?)
cliffdweller
12-12-2005, 03:01 PM
No stealing my lines!
I can count the number of student groups I was in in college on one hand. Oh wait... don't even need that one! (Does this surprise anyone? Do I seem like a person who lines up to join groups, no matter what kinds of cool things they're doing?)
Actually...no.
And which line did I steal? :confused:
Actually...no.
And which line did I steal? :confused:
I think I said "Sour grapes much?" in my first post in this very thread.
cliffdweller
12-12-2005, 03:18 PM
I think I said "Sour grapes much?" in my first post in this very thread.
:laugh::laugh: So it worked for me on more than one level :thumbsup:. I love it when that happens.
SuzeQuze
12-12-2005, 04:02 PM
Whose awareness are they raising? If they were giving lectures at high schools or sponsoring community events, I might agree with you. But holding an open mic night at the student union so that the choir of self-righteous UConn students can preach tolerance to themselves and offer each other hugs and hot chocolate while congratulating each other for not attending Coulter's speech isn't really what I'd call getting the word out.
Wouldn't you have to attend one of their meetings to comment on their content?
Wouldn't you have to attend one of their meetings to comment on their content?
You think they've had "meetings," plural? I guess that's possible: maybe one to form the club and talk about how mad they were that Coulter was coming, and one more to nail down the details of their open mic night (who should book the space in the student union, who should bring the microphone) and hand out anti-Annie flyers for everyone to distribute around campus.
The link I posted to the UConn student newspaper has a few good blurbs describing their little love-in, but you don't have to be a rocket scientist to know how these events work. I think if you've been anywhere near an American university campus in the past four years, the typical nature of this group is pretty obvious. I could probably give you a surprisingly accurate report of what kinds of people went to their open mic night, what kinds of people spoke, and what they talked about.
As opposed to us sitting in this chat room, criticising these people who could have a more effective approach to reducing hate?
No, as opposed to actively engaging in projects in the broader community and delivering their message to people who may not realize the extent to which hate speech, bigotry, etc. still exist, or what they can do to counteract those kinds of ideas.
Whose eyes are we opening?
No one's, as far as I know. This is just some silly Internet message board.
What are we doing about this problem that is the Students Against Hate by sitting here, commenting on how silly they are and feeling intellectually superior because we realise they're silly?
"Students Against Hate" isn't a problem, it's just a silly student group at a university. The only thing really to be done about it might be to get in contact with them and encourage them to do the types of things I suggested above if they really want to get their "message" out. If you want to look up the e-mail address of that kid mentioned in the article who's the president of the club, I'll send him a little note if you'd like.
I wonder if you understand this word "irony" that you like? Nevermind, just go to bed feeling good about yourself because you made a point, if indeed you did.
You're really big on this going-to-bed-feeling-good imagery. You're not having trouble sleeping, are you?
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