is it just me or was In The Meantime really [Archive]

Gailh

11-21-2005, 08:52 AM

mediocre?

I can't figure it out, but I expected much more for this record...

I think this is a question of expectations.

I expected typical Christine pop/rock for grown ups and that's what I got. The bonus was the voice which to me sounds better than ever.

I have to admit I had to listen to it a couple of times before I really started to like it. For Christine I was prepared to make the effort.

On the other hand I have only listened to Stevie's Trouble in Shangri La once because there wasn't enough in it to make me put it on again. For Stevie I wasn't prepared to make the effort.

As for Mick and John I didn't even buy the albums!

I still play ITM although not as much as I used to. I think it's a very honest piece of work and I like it more than her 1984 solo album.

Gail

ontheEdgeof17

11-21-2005, 09:46 AM

I like the first 3 or 4 songs.....then......:cool:

GypsySongbird

11-21-2005, 12:03 PM

i love it, its obviously not her best work, although i do think you are and friend are really really good! but i still love it, although i agree i would have preffered some blues stuff & i prefer her 80s album

HomerMcvie

11-21-2005, 12:13 PM

I think this is a question of expectations.

I expected typical Christine pop/rock for grown ups and that's what I got. The bonus was the voice which to me sounds better than ever.

I have to admit I had to listen to it a couple of times before I really started to like it. For Christine I was prepared to make the effort.

On the other hand I have only listened to Stevie's Trouble in Shangri La once because there wasn't enough in it to make me put it on again. For Stevie I wasn't prepared to make the effort.

As for Mick and John I didn't even buy the albums!

I still play ITM although not as much as I used to. I think it's a very honest piece of work and I like it more than her 1984 solo album.

Gail

What you said.:nod: :nod: Cept Stevie lost me earlier, on OSOTM. I LITERALLY(once even a huge fan) played it one time.

Still, imagine ITM's best 5 or 6 songs on SYW!:woohoo: THAT would've been an album I could've really gotten into!

dissention

11-21-2005, 12:17 PM

What you said.:nod: :nod: Cept Stevie lost me earlier, on OSOTM. I LITERALLY(once even a huge fan) played it one time.

I find it absolutely divine that it's the Christine fans on the Christine board who feel the need to bring up Nicks all the time.

HomerMcvie

11-21-2005, 12:37 PM

I find it absolutely divine that it's the Christine fans on the Christine board who feel the need to bring up Nicks all the time.
I didn't bring it up, but I'll accept your claim of divinity.:shrug: :D :shrug:

DavidMn

11-21-2005, 12:48 PM

I didn't bring it up, but I'll accept your claim of divinity.:shrug: :D :shrug:Tsk tsk. I'm dissapointed that it took you over 12 hours to respond in this thread.:lol:

Gailh

11-21-2005, 03:30 PM

What you said.:nod: :nod: Cept Stevie lost me earlier, on OSOTM. I LITERALLY(once even a huge fan) played it one time.

Still, imagine ITM's best 5 or 6 songs on SYW!:woohoo: THAT would've been an album I could've really gotten into!

Ah yes! That would have been worth a listen! Sigh

Gail

Gailh

11-21-2005, 03:34 PM

I find it absolutely divine that it's the Christine fans on the Christine board who feel the need to bring up Nicks all the time.

Ermm. Sorry can we not say her name?

I believe I also mentioned the M word and the J word. Is that also divine?

Gail

goldustsongbird

11-21-2005, 04:50 PM

mediocre?

I can't figure it out, but I expected much more for this record...

Yeah. I have to admit, I don't think she really flies as a solo artist. I love her and her voice to bits, but as a reviewer put it, she works best as a 'side dish' than a main course. Or something to that effect. LOL. It's not that her solo work is BAD... I adore her Christine Perfect stuff, actually, and both the '84 album and ITM have good songs on it, but I don't think those last two are full, solid records. The jazz stuff, however? Rocks. I'm not even a big fan of that kind of music.

The best songs on ITM are Calumny and Friend. Those are my two favourites, along with Anything is Possible. Reminds me of something from the Mac days. Bad Journey is just... a bad song. :eek: The rest is kind of "eh". I wrote up an entire review during the summer. It's sitting in a notebook in my drawer. :shrug:

Richard B

11-21-2005, 05:49 PM

mediocre?

I can't figure it out, but I expected much more for this record...
Christine is mellow, MOR, AC. All three of her solo albums are like this. Yes, even the Perfect album has its boring songs and that's an album where she didn't practically write everything as in her later solo albums.

ITM is nice and mellow. Period. It never intended to break new ground and is nothing short of a cute little pet project with her nephew.

goldustsongbird

11-21-2005, 05:53 PM

I agree with you. I think that's just an awful song; I don't know what people see in it. But I think there are some other great tracks on there besides the ones you mentioned. I think "Forgiveness" is one of the best, but that one seems to get mixed reviews.

I love "Sweet Revenge" too, but I find myself wondering what "wicked ways" she intends to use to get her sweet revenge, exactly. So ominous and ambiguous. It's like Meatloaf. Just what is it that you won't do for love, man? You're so adamantly against it so what the hell is it??? :laugh:

Oh, yeah, I like Sweet Revenge. I was just singing that one last night.
Everyone seems to love You Are, and it got some radio play in the UK, but it's not really a favourite of mine. The random high notes kind of... eh. Don't really grab me. Forgiveness is okay. I also like So Sincere... more the lyrics than the song itself. :shrug: It's a little cryptic. Reminds me of something you know who would've written, with the "Funny little white car with the broken light".

I think Northern Star could've been a great song, if it had been arranged properly.

If you go back a bit in my LJ, you'll find the post where I talked a bit about each of the songs. :wavey: It's not a proper review, but it's basically my first impressions of them, since I posted it the day I bought it.

GypsySongbird

11-21-2005, 05:59 PM

I think Northern Star could've been a great song, if it had been arranged properly.

oh yea, and i love northern star, & calumny especially

Dreammms

11-21-2005, 06:00 PM

I can't really get into it but I do think her voice still sounds amazing.

Serrart

11-21-2005, 06:03 PM

goldustsongbird

11-21-2005, 06:16 PM

oh yea, and i love northern star, & calumny especially

Calumny is my favourite, actually! I don't know if it's just me, but I tend to visualize voices... In terms of textures, and shapes, and stuff. I know, I'm insane. But there's a part where her voice sounds round, when she sings the word "soft" in the "oh, so soft and sweet" bit. It's just something in her voice that really gets to me. Same with Songbird, when she goes, "I wish it from myself". Chills.
;)

goldustsongbird

11-21-2005, 06:17 PM

I'm fond of "Northern Star," though I do think it would've benefitted from better/different production. My beef with "You Are" is how cheesy it is, but I find it very listenable regardless. Some of the lyrics in "So Sincere" really bother me. Not a bad song, though. Anyway...

it is a bit cheesy... Therefore, radio friendly.:laugh: I kid.

goldustsongbird

11-21-2005, 06:28 PM

It's not mediocre at all for me. I like most of the songs, even if a couple seem composed on the autopilot. I agree, the production damaged the album. To sound homemade could work for grunge (if it still exists) but not for a sophisticated lady like her, IMO.

Romy

I think there are only a few songs that sound very polished. Calumny, Northern Star, and Friend spring to mind.

In terms of lyrics, I think some of them border on being overly cheesy... But then again, I have to say, most of her songs do. I don't think she'd object to that statement either, as she's said she's a "pretty basic songwriter". And she is. She's never been very prolific, with the exception of songs like Songbird, and Show Me a Smile. I think, though her songs are very simple (a style that I believe comes from her background in jazz), it's her delivery that really makes them what they are. Some songs just have to be sung by the right person.

aleuzzi

11-21-2005, 06:28 PM

mediocre?

I can't figure it out, but I expected much more for this record...

I've heard others say something like this and I just don't understand it. It rocked, grooved, kicked, swayed, cruised, simmered, burned, and cooked. There weren't any piano ballads on it, but the record had a lot to offer. Why couldn't more people see this?

GypsySongbird

11-21-2005, 06:30 PM

I've heard others say something like this and I just don't understand it. It rocked, grooved, kicked, swayed, cruised, simmered, burned, and cooked. There weren't any piano ballads on it, but the record had a lot to offer. Why couldn't more people see this?

i see it!!! although, that is quite a few things to see!

aleuzzi

11-21-2005, 06:31 PM

It's dull, light mallpop. Something one would likely hear while browsing the travel section at Waldenbooks. Half of the album is great fun, while the other half just gives off the impression that she shouldn't have bothered. It's inoffensive enough, but a whole album of it is just too damned much.

If half of any album is great, I'd say it was justified...

goldustsongbird

11-21-2005, 06:31 PM

There weren't any piano ballads on it, but the record had a lot to offer. Why couldn't more people see this?

That was what I noticed first: No piano! Calumny was the only song with piano, right? I think that is what people expect from her, since the piano is what she is associated with. Hey, that's what I was expecting from her, too. :shrug: I don't think this is a terrible album, but nothing to get totally excited about... I guess it all comes down to personal taste.

GypsySongbird

11-21-2005, 06:37 PM

That was what I noticed first: No piano! Calumny was the only song with piano, right? I think that is what people expect from her, since the piano is what she is associated with. Hey, that's what I was expecting from her, too. :shrug: I don't think this is a terrible album, but nothing to get totally excited about... I guess it all comes down to personal taste.

maybe she didnt want to do what was totally expected from her? although its still all very christiney, calumny is probably the closest, i think

goldustsongbird

11-21-2005, 06:47 PM

maybe she didnt want to do what was totally expected from her? although its still all very christiney, calumny is probably the closest, i think

Hmm... Yeah, that could've been it. Christine doesn't really seem like the type of person to venture out of the little style she's carved out for herself, but you never know. :thumbsup: She does have a fun, spunky side that she shows more on the Legendary Christine Perfect and some of the songs from the self-titled album. Maybe that's what she was going for here? If that's the case, I think she might've done better by balancing it out a bit more with some lovely piano ballads like Calumny, since, like I said, that's what people recognize as her prime talent.

Serrart

11-21-2005, 06:47 PM

I think there are only a few songs that sound very polished. Calumny, Northern Star, and Friend spring to mind.

Definitely. I intended homemade more as repetitive and uninspired, done by a not very skilled producer. Acoustic friend, for example was much more poignant, IMO.

In terms of lyrics, I think some of them border on being overly cheesy... But then again, I have to say, most of her songs do. I don't think she'd object to that statement either, as she's said she's a "pretty basic songwriter". And she is. She's never been very prolific, with the exception of songs like Songbird, and Show Me a Smile. I think, though her songs are very simple (a style that I believe comes from her background in jazz), it's her delivery that really makes them what they are. Some songs just have to be sung by the right person.

I love her songwriting and simple style, but with some great songs (I return to Friend that's one of my all time favourite of hers or Calumny, Sweet Revenge, Bad Journey, You Are) there were some fillers.

Romy

goldustsongbird

11-21-2005, 06:55 PM

Definitely. I intended homemade more as repetitive and uninspired, done by a not very skilled producer. Acoustic friend, for example was much more poignant, IMO.

I love her songwriting and simple style, but with some great songs (I return to Friend that's one of my all time favourite of hers or Calumny, Sweet Revenge, Bad Journey, You Are) there were some fillers.

Romy

Bad Journey? :eek: It doesn't sit well with me. Sounds like she's trying too hard to return to her roots, with that faux-jazz. I liked the acoustic version of Friend. :wavey: The album version is good, too. I really enjoy the song itself. Calumny is the standout track for me. I could listen to that one forever!

macfan 57

11-21-2005, 07:17 PM

I wasn't going to comment on this thread since it was started by a person who doesn't care for Christine McVie anyway. But a few of the die-hard Christine fans have posted, so I will too. I like all three of her solo albums, but In The Meantime is my favorite. I LOVE it! There is a comfort, an intimacy to it that I love. The production is a bit simplistic. So what? There is such a thing as being over-produced, too. That can turn me off. She is a simple, basic love song writer...no pretense or crap. That's what she did here. That's what I was expecting. What I didn't expect was how fantastic her voice still is. It's better now than it was 20-30 years ago, which is ridiculous. Nobody's voice gets better as they age. Her voice is the focal point of the album, in my opinion.

By the way, Christine is not a solo artist. She would be the first to say this. She made her first album because her then manager pushed her into it. She made her 1984 album & ITM purely for fun. It's that simple.

goldustsongbird

11-21-2005, 07:27 PM

What I didn't expect was how fantastic her voice still is. It's better now than it was 20-30 years ago, which is ridiculous. Nobody's voice gets better as they age. Her voice is the focal point of the album, in my opinion.

Everything else aside, I totally agree: her voice is beautiful. I've likened it to a fine wine... Much like Chris herself. She sounds great.

There is such a thing as over-produced, but there's also the flipside: being underproduced. Not that ITM was, I just think it could use a bit of tweaking here and there. In the little review I wrote down, I summed it up as an album to listen to on a rainy day, since it is a *cozy* sort of album.

She made her first album because her then manager pushed her into it. She made her 1984 album & ITM purely for fun. It's that simple.
Well... Don't assume that everyone knew those facts about how the albums came to be. I didn't even know that was the reasons why she did the Christine Perfect and the '84 records. ITM, I knew was something she said was "totally unexpected".

FWIW I don't even recognize the person who started this topic, so I had no idea whether or not they were a McVie fan.

SteveMacD

11-21-2005, 10:11 PM

As for Mick and John I didn't even buy the albums!
That's too bad. "The Visitor," "I'm Not Me," and "Gotta Band" were actually quite good. They're definately among my favorite solo projects.

Admittedly, "Shakin' The Cage" hasn't aged so well, and I really haven't listened to "Something Big" much. For that matter, I really haven't listened to too much of the newer stuff (TISL, SYW, ITM, "Something Big") as much as the older stuff. I'm getting lazy.

dissention

11-21-2005, 11:43 PM

I wasn't going to comment on this thread since it was started by a person who doesn't care for Christine McVie anyway.

Soooooo, the opinions held by the person who started this thread are somehow less valid than the opinions held by the fans who actively participate in this forum? My word, even the horse I ride upon isn't that high.

jbrownsjr

11-22-2005, 02:49 AM

HomerMcvie

11-22-2005, 03:13 AM

Soooooo, the opinions held by the person who started this thread are somehow less valid than the opinions held by the fans who actively participate in this forum? My word, even the horse I ride upon isn't that high.
I don't intend to speak for Macfan57, but, to me(and it's only my guess as to what she was inferring), that lately, a few of the NON-regulars are coming here looking for an argument/bashing. I, for one, am not interested.

Are things that sloooow in Stevieland?

Johnny Stew

11-22-2005, 03:15 AM

Are things that sloooow in Stevieland?dontlookdown is a Lindsey fan. He's not from Stevieland. :wavey:

foxyluva

11-22-2005, 03:20 AM

HomerMcvie

11-22-2005, 03:39 AM

As insightful as a colonoscopy! :lol: :lol: Lessee, opinions are like.......what is it again?:rolleyes: :lol: :sorry:

Brwn_eyes0511

11-22-2005, 04:10 AM

As insightful as a colonoscopy! :lol: :lol: Lessee, opinions are like.......what is it again?:rolleyes: :lol: :sorry:

u are the best! :xoxo:

BombaySapphire3

11-22-2005, 04:22 AM

u are the best! :xoxo:
You're back eh? So where's Curtiss's apology?

Brwn_eyes0511

11-22-2005, 04:43 AM

You're back eh? So where's Curtiss's apology?

Back...to the Chris forum...maybe I'll step back into the other areas in the future

and he ain't gettin' one. :wavey:

BombaySapphire3

11-22-2005, 04:45 AM

Back...to the Chris forum...maybe I'll step back into the other areas in the future

and he ain't gettin' one. :wavey:
Very Christianlike of you isn't it .But I guess that is typical.

Brwn_eyes0511

11-22-2005, 04:48 AM

Very Christianlike of you isn't it .But I guess that is typical.

You are right it isn't very Christian like. I have also never claimed to be a model Christian dear...or even a nice person for that matter. At least to those who don't treat me with the same respect. You get what you give...

BUT...anyways...back on topic.

BombaySapphire3

11-22-2005, 04:53 AM

You are right it isn't very Christian like. I have also never claimed to be a model Christian dear...or even a nice person for that matter. At least to those who don't treat me with the same respect. You get what you give...
Ok thanks for the clarification.I guess I missed the thread where he was equally rude and tacky towards you.

Brwn_eyes0511

11-22-2005, 05:03 AM

Ok thanks for the clarification.I guess I missed the thread where he was equally rude and tacky towards you.

ehh...seems a lot of folks did.

Although I do have to admit that I don't "hint" at rudeness or walk around it like some. When I want to be mean...I'm just mean!

I guess one is encouraged to be more passive aggressive on message boards...that just ain't me.

OK...now really...back to defending ITM.

macfan 57

11-22-2005, 06:42 AM

I don't intend to speak for Macfan57, but, to me(and it's only my guess as to what she was inferring), that lately, a few of the NON-regulars are coming here looking for an argument/bashing. I, for one, am not interested.

Homer, you can speak for me.:) You are right, of course.:nod:

Only you could bring a "colonoscopy" into a discussion in the Chris forum.:lol: :lol: You gave me a good laugh to start the morning.:D

strandinthewind

11-22-2005, 06:56 AM

. . . and he ain't gettin' one. :wavey:

Grow up little boy.

strandinthewind

11-22-2005, 06:58 AM

ehh...seems a lot of folks did.

Although I do have to admit that I don't "hint" at rudeness or walk around it like some. When I want to be mean...I'm just mean! . . . .

No, you are irrational and childlike in your presentation of the miscontrued ideas you call facts. Then, when someone dares to tell you the facts as they are, you are like a little girl who is told she cannot have a new party dress.

strandinthewind

11-22-2005, 06:59 AM

. . . You get what you give....

I'll remind you that you said that.

strandinthewind

11-22-2005, 07:01 AM

Soooooo, the opinions held by the person who started this thread are somehow less valid than the opinions held by the fans who actively participate in this forum? My word, even the horse I ride upon isn't that high.

Careful dear - they do not like it when the mirror casts their reflection back at them, and as always, it is truthful.

ThePenguin

11-22-2005, 08:43 AM

Come on folks, I think we should all chill out a bit. Let's not make the Chris forum a spooky place. We're all entitled to our opinions of ITM; we're all entitled to have our favorite member of FM...and Stevie and Chris can occasionally be compared without the world coming to an end. Relax, kids. You're making me sad. :distress:

-Lis

Miss Vicky

11-22-2005, 10:01 AM

Lets be honest here - ITMT is exceptionally boring - and has no stand out tracks apart from "You Are" - the album is average at best.

Stevie can still bring out an almost brilliant album (TISL), but christine failed miserably with ITMT

I agree that In the Meantime is a little too... shall we say easy listening, but as Diss said, it's not offensive at all.

On the other hand...

TISL almost brilliant? I don't know about that. In fact I find that album to be absolutely horrid as I've made no secret of in the past. It really was the last nail in the coffin of my Nicks fandom.

I've also made no secret of the fact that I am a Buckingham fan. But guess what? I HATED Shut Us Down, and if LB were to make an album of songs that sounded even remotely like that one I would be a very unhappy Buckinghamaniac indeed.

What it comes down to is that none of the members of Fleetwood Mac are gods. All of them are quite capable of putting out music that some of even their most dedicated fans would call "mediocre" or just plain "bad," but so what? That doesn't mean that Christine, Stevie, Lindsey or anyone are bad artists nor does it mean that anyone on this board doesn't like a particular member just because they criticise a particular piece of work.

HomerMcvie

11-22-2005, 12:24 PM

Well, if y'all's goal is to push everyone else besides the fanatics away, you're doing a mighty fine job of it. I guess I should've figured out months ago that there's no point in trying to find a place or a way to fit in in this forum unless I love Christine and forsake all others, pretending she's some goddess. I'm not interested in watching grown people be reduced to whiny children who can't believe they're sharing their playground with the kids across the street at the mere sight of a "chiffonhead," or whatever the case may be. We can't be the least bit critical of ITM. Did it occur to no one that dontlookdown might be a Christine fan who simply doesn't like ITM?

I'm already at the end of my rope on other matters so I've about had it.

And at the end there? You brought Stevie into it. Just randomly. This wasn't even about her at all.
Chill out. ALL I meant was that I DON'T come to Chris' forum to argue, and am not interested in doing such.

In the end there, it appears(to me, anyway), that the people who are coming here to argue are, in general, from a different neighborhood, looking for a little trouble.
I'm sorry that other matters aren't going well for you.

HomerMcvie

11-22-2005, 12:25 PM

u are the best! :xoxo:
Right back at ya!!:nod: :nod: :nod:

HomerMcvie

11-22-2005, 12:29 PM

Homer, you can speak for me.:) You are right, of course.:nod:

Only you could bring a "colonoscopy" into a discussion in the Chris forum.:lol: :lol: You gave me a good laugh to start the morning.:D
Mission accomplished! :lol: :lol: I figured we were on the same page, btw...

Richard B

11-22-2005, 01:19 PM

Christine McVie sure is pretty.

HomerMcvie

11-22-2005, 01:22 PM

Christine McVie sure is pretty.
Pretty freakin' talented, too!:blob1: :blob2: :blob1:

GypsySongbird

11-22-2005, 01:28 PM

Christine McVie sure is pretty.

agreed! shes beautiful! :D

Richard B

11-22-2005, 01:34 PM

I have to say that when FM is in concert I LOVED it when she would play the accordian during Tusk...and playing maracas during Everywhere. She's so graceful and sprirted. I just ate it up. So neat to see her step away from behind the keyboards and groove.

Gailh

11-22-2005, 02:00 PM

Can I just say that we need to make the distinction between something that is not to our taste and "bad" or "boring"

If you don't like certain types of music or you find it boring - fine that's OK

But it does not make it bad or boring

It means you don't like it or you find it boring.

I don't find ITM boring.

I find 9 Lindsey songs and 9 Stevie songs tedious. I'll repeat that I find it tedious

It doesn't make it "bad" or "boring" though

It's just my opinion.

Gail

Brwn_eyes0511

11-22-2005, 02:14 PM

Grow up little boy.

nahh. I rather like how I am now. :)

Brwn_eyes0511

11-22-2005, 02:18 PM

Pretty freakin' talented, too!:blob1: :blob2: :blob1:

and just remember...talk "nice" to her...and anything is possible! :nod: :lol:

Brwn_eyes0511

11-22-2005, 02:27 PM

No, you are irrational and childlike in your presentation of the miscontrued ideas you call facts. Then, when someone dares to tell you the facts as they are, you are like a little girl who is told she cannot have a new party dress.

...where have you been? I always get the party dress!

strandinthewind

11-22-2005, 02:53 PM

...where have you been? I always get the party dress!

Then learn how to fill it out.

jbrownsjr

11-22-2005, 03:03 PM

Then learn how to fill it out.

eat lots of kishka or perogies to do this :lol:

strandinthewind

11-22-2005, 03:04 PM

eat lots of kishka or perogies to do this :lol:

EXACTLY :wavey: :wavey: :wavey:

BTW - CM rules :cool:

dissention

11-22-2005, 03:04 PM

eat lots of kishka or perogies to do this :lol:

Don't forget beer.

Brwn_eyes0511

11-22-2005, 03:50 PM

Then learn how to fill it out.

I'll be having duck Thursday...

so that won't be a problem! :laugh:

Brwn_eyes0511

11-22-2005, 03:51 PM

Don't forget beer.

Yes...

Corona.

;)

David

11-22-2005, 04:21 PM

Lets be honest here - ITMT is exceptionally boring - and has no stand out tracks apart from "You Are" - the album is average at best.

Her 1984 album is a tad better, but still :( it just showed me that too much of Christine is not a good thing, things get repetitve way to quickly.But the problem with the '84 CD is that there isn't too much Christine; there isn't enough Christine, actually. There's too much Todd Sharp et al., too much meandering mostly rather bland soloing from fellow musicians. The songs don't snap to.
And yes, i am a huge Christine fan, almost as much as i am a stevie fan. but where stevie is a exciting performer and artist, christine is not. Back in the day she was brilliant, but now in the 2000's, stevie can still bring out an almost brilliant album (TISL), but christine failed miserably with ITMT :sorry:I look at it as just a case of not attempting to whip things up into a tremulous frenzy, so therefore not a failure. If you pour yourself a cup of coffee & expect it to bowl you over like an expertly made martini, you're going to be disappointed.
Im sorry if i offended any hardcore CM fans, but i thought a new members view on this might be insightfull :nod:Always insightful to hear from people who dislike what I like, & vice versa.

Homer, it shouldn't torment you as much as it does. You should be eager to hear dissenting views, honestly spoken & clearly worded. How can you possibly be annoyed by the very nature of dissenting opinion & still hang out on the Internet?

David

11-22-2005, 04:29 PM

Mission accomplished! :lol: :lol: I figured we were on the same page, btw...But Homer, I'd like to hear more about your responses & impressions of Christine's work, rather than superficial statements such as "so-and-so is great" etc.

Don't worry so much about people allegedly infiltrating this forum from other forums or other mind-boggling conspiracy theories. Let us hear your substantive impressions of Christine's craft or art -- whatever aspects you feel you want to discuss. I can't remember your doing that here (although you'd do so on Usenet). If someone held a gun to my head & told me to tell him why Homer/David likes McVie material or what aspects of it he likes, I couldn't do so. I'd wind up shot. Discuss Christine, Dave. Pick a song & try to describe the aspects that move you & groove you.:blob2: :blob1:

The Christine forum is a success only to the extent that WE DISCUSS CHRISTINE & generate interesting discussions & share considered opinions. Christine herself isn't here to make her forum a success. WE have to do it. Do you guys understand that concept? or is that beyond you?

David

11-22-2005, 04:36 PM

Well, if y'all's goal is to push everyone else besides the fanatics away, you're doing a mighty fine job of it. I guess I should've figured out months ago that there's no point in trying to find a place or a way to fit in in this forum unless I love Christine and forsake all others, pretending she's some goddess. I'm not interested in watching grown people be reduced to whiny children who can't believe they're sharing their playground with the kids across the street at the mere sight of a "chiffonhead," or whatever the case may be. We can't be the least bit critical of ITM. Did it occur to no one that dontlookdown might be a Christine fan who simply doesn't like ITM?

I'm already at the end of my rope on other matters so I've about had it.

And at the end there? You brought Stevie into it. Just randomly. This wasn't even about her at all.That stance in this forum is Christine's own worst enemy -- & so unlike the understated spirit & waggish elan that drive Christine herself -- but the promulgators refuse (or are unable) to see that. That attitude will turn this place into a ghost town, which is utterly antithetical to a message board.

Christine is all about DISCUSSION. Please continue to discuss Christine's work & life, Hillary. You have said so many interesting things in the past & I really hope you continue to do so.

David

11-22-2005, 04:41 PM

Chill out. ALL I meant was that I DON'T come to Chris' forum to argue, and am not interested in doing such.Well that's pretty bizarre, Dave, because an Internet message board is specifically designed for argument -- argument, debate, discussion. What are you supposed to do with a message board with no argument/debate/discussion? Wear it on your head?

Just what DO you come to Christine's forum for? What is it exactly that you want -- or hope -- to read ...if not opinions & discussion?

Stock ticker symbols?

goldustsongbird

11-22-2005, 05:47 PM

And yes, i am a huge Christine fan, almost as much as i am a stevie fan. but where stevie is a exciting performer and artist, christine is not. Back in the day she was brilliant, but now in the 2000's, stevie can still bring out an almost brilliant album (TISL), but christine failed miserably with ITMT :sorry:

Im sorry if i offended any hardcore CM fans, but i thought a new members view on this might be insightfull :nod:

Good point. IMO, none of FM's members are very good as solo acts, except for Stevie. Why? Because she is, as you said, an exciting performer. Now before everyone jumps on my back and yells at me for hinting that Christine and Lindsey may not be exciting, let me continue.

When Stevie joined the band, although many critics tended to praise Christine as the "saving grace" of FM, saying she had a "golden throat" (*cough*) dismissing Stevie's voice as... well, less than pleasant to listen to, but focusing on her enchanting stage presence. Which she had then, and continues to have today. What's the first thing that comes to most people's mind when they hear the name Fleetwood Mac? Stevie! What's the first thing that they think of when they think of Stevie? Most likely her whirling and twirling shawls. Presence.

Christine? Doesn't do much on stage. She's behind her piano (with a green cup:lol: ), and I think she's more comfortable there. I read somewhere she said something to the effect that for her to go out and do what Stevie does would be difficult for her. She'd feel uncomfortable, and she was sure Stevie probably wouldn't want to be stuck behind a piano all night. So, therefore, I think if anything, the only presence she has is that she's doin' the piano thing. I think a lot of it has to do with personality, too. Christine says she's very shy, and more of a musician than a performer. I see Stevie as the exact opposite.

Lindsey, same thing. He's never spun around in a gossamer shawl (though I would love to see him try), or tried to build up any sort of image. Although he obviously stands out more than shy John, I don't think there's much about him-- aside from his skills--that would distinguish him from everyone else.

I like some of Lindsey's solo work, and some of Christine's, but I think, because they haven't built up this persona, they get shoved to the back. Looking at the success either of them had, in terms of how many records were sold and whatnot, how many people were interested in them as solo artists alone? How about Stevie's success?

I think they all just happen to work extremely well as a group. They may not get on all the time, but when they're working, something happens: good music. IMO that's the chain (I know, I'm getting a bit cheesy here. No, I haven't been drinking) that keeps them together.

Brwn_eyes0511

11-22-2005, 06:34 PM

IMO that's the chain (I know, I'm getting a bit cheesy here. No, I haven't been drinking) that keeps them together.

awwww...that is a little cheesy but so cute! :nod: :xoxo:

And I agree with what you said...very well put!

goldustsongbird

11-22-2005, 06:39 PM

awwww...that is a little cheesy but so cute! :nod: :xoxo:

And I agree with what you said...very well put!

*grin* Well, I'm glad someone liked it. Thank you.

... and I think I might need to have a drink now, after reading this thread in it's entirety!

David

11-22-2005, 07:39 PM

Good point. IMO, none of FM's members are very good as solo acts, except for Stevie. Why? Because she is, as you said, an exciting performer.In terms of critical reception, Buckingham was actually the one in Fleetwood Mac who generally got the accolades as a live performer. He was incendiary on many an occasion, as flummoxed critics often noted in their reviews:

"Buckingham engaged in playful jams with bassist John McVie and generally moved about with the joy of a kid who had just been handed the keys to a toy store. ... Buckingham is the rocker, helping move the band from its old soft-rock focus to a more involving hard-rock approach. He, too, has blossomed as a performer, adopting a near primal scream urgency on key vocals." (L.A. Times 9-01-80)

"Buckingham displayed his newly found control of the group by dominating the performance both musically and energetically. Accompanied by his veteran band of Christine McVie on keyboards, John McVie on bass, Mick Fleetwood on drums, and Stevie Nicks on vocals and percussion, Buckingham made great progress toward returning the group to its status as one of the world's premier bands. ... It was, ultimately, Buckingham's show." (St. Petersburg Times 8-07-80)

"The noticeable switch is in the growing importance Buckingham plays in the front line. He has outmatched the witch-like stance of Nicks, and indeed, the Big Mac Attack now reads like the Stevie and Lindsey Show." (Honolulu Bulletin 3-28-80)

"Lindsey Buckingham moved through the entire concert with a vibrancy that moved into the crowd like cannon fire." (Birmingham News 8-13-80)

"Guitarist Lindsey Buckingham has emerged as the most frequent lead singer as well as the main musical force on stage." (Omaha World Herald 8-22-80)

"It was Buckingham's show at the beginning of the tour, and, if anything, he was more commanding at the end. Dressed in a ten-gallon hat, boots and a white V-neck T-shirt of Beverly Hills cowboy, he was simply spectacular onstage. He dominated the band as completely as any human being could ever dominate drummer Mick Fleetwood and bassist John McVie -- one of the most cohesive and potent rhythm sections in rock." (Rolling Stone 10-30-80)

"It was down to Lindsey Buckingham to move the band into anything approaching strenuous action. ... He's funny, a treat to watch, and he makes the band earn its supper keeping up with him." (New Music Express 12-01-79)

"The quintet apparently has given the reins on stage to Lindsey Buckingham, the singer and guitarist whose music mixes forceful -- and urgent -- emotional touches with a playful eccentricity that is underscored by his quick marches around the stage that are reminiscent of a windup toy." (Los Angeles Times 10-20-82)

And did you read any of the reviews of his 1993 solo tour? Here's a typical example:

"Comeback or debut, Buckingham's concert was confident, energized, accomplished, wide-ranging and surprising. Heck, as long as we're slinging modifiers, why not go all the way? As comebacks and/or debuts go, this one was triumphant." (Los Angeles Times 12-12-92)

Point being that Buckingham was known & admired for being a winning & exciting performer, albeit by a much smaller number of people.

goldustsongbird

11-22-2005, 08:06 PM

In terms of critical reception, Buckingham was actually the one in Fleetwood Mac who generally got the accolades as a live performer.....

Did you see the part where I said "IMO"? :wavey:

I'm not saying you're wrong, but when it comes to record sales... the audience size depends on whether or not the artist will succeed. And sadly, that's how success seems to be gauged in the music industry. :shrug: Especially when it comes to artists who have gone solo after being part of a group.

I like Lindsey, and I enjoyed Soundstage and love listening to the GoS demos, but I prefer him with FM.

SteveMacD

11-22-2005, 10:00 PM

Bekka Rocks!

Brwn_eyes0511

11-22-2005, 10:11 PM

Bekka Rocks!

...On Faith Hill's CD's...

ontheEdgeof17

11-22-2005, 10:12 PM

Bekka Rocks!

Damn Straight!

I love Time <3333333.

Johnny Stew

11-22-2005, 11:00 PM

Bekka Rocks!I swear it's Bekka singing in the new Applebee's commercial... and I'm not saying that to be a wise-ass.
It sounds just like her.

jbrownsjr

11-22-2005, 11:44 PM

I swear it's Bekka singing in the new Applebee's commercial... and I'm not saying that to be a wise-ass.
It sounds just like her.

how dare you come here and say that!!!!:]

Johnny Stew

11-22-2005, 11:47 PM

how dare you come here and say that!!!!:]I figured it was safer to say here than on the Bekka Forum.
Oh, yeah, wait a minute.....

jbrownsjr

11-22-2005, 11:59 PM

I figured it was safer to say here than on the Bekka Forum.
Oh, yeah, wait a minute.....

hahah!!!:shocked:

HomerMcvie

11-23-2005, 02:31 AM

I'd appreciate it if you guys wouldn't always bring up Bekka in Chris' forum.
It's not appropriate, and makes me feel uncomfortable.

David

11-23-2005, 02:38 AM

I'd appreciate it if you guys wouldn't always bring up Bekka in Chris' forum.
It's not appropriate, and makes me feel uncomfortable.David, I wanna hear what your favorite Christine era is & why. Go post in that thread! I will post too, once I formulate my response. But I will say now that my answer may surprise you all.

SteveMacD

11-23-2005, 11:06 AM

It's not appropriate, and makes me feel uncomfortable.
So is a colonoscapy.

GypsySongbird

11-23-2005, 11:43 AM

Christine? Doesn't do much on stage. She's behind her piano (with a green cup:lol: ), and I think she's more comfortable there. I read somewhere she said something to the effect that for her to go out and do what Stevie does would be difficult for her. She'd feel uncomfortable, and she was sure Stevie probably wouldn't want to be stuck behind a piano all night. So, therefore, I think if anything, the only presence she has is that she's doin' the piano thing. I think a lot of it has to do with personality, too. Christine says she's very shy, and more of a musician than a performer. I see Stevie as the exact opposite.

i dont think its that shes shy so much, she actually seems like a confident person, i think she is-she has every reason to be, its just not her style the whole wirly twirly thing. stevie is amazing on stage but says about herself that shes very shy and quiet off stage. -i still love chris on stage though!!!:D

David

11-23-2005, 12:29 PM

i dont think its that shes shy so much, she actually seems like a confident person, i think she is-she has every reason to be, its just not her style the whole wirly twirly thing.It's not her style & as I said before, she couldn't do that even if it were her style. She's playing keyboards! That's a fairly stationary task. It requires you to plant yourself in front of the boards & stay there.

Richard B

11-23-2005, 12:45 PM

It's not her style & as I said before, she couldn't do that even if it were her style. She's playing keyboards! That's a fairly stationary task. It requires you to plant yourself in front of the boards & stay there.
As I mentioned earlier...I love it when she steps from behind the keyboards and busts out that accordian or maracas.

I also like the part in the Mirage Concert where she runs accross the stage to that upright for Not That Funny. So cute.

HomerMcvie

11-23-2005, 12:57 PM

So is a colonoscapy.
Touche, mon frere!:lol: :lol: :lol:

jbrownsjr

11-23-2005, 01:36 PM

I'd appreciate it if you guys wouldn't always bring up Bekka in Chris' forum.
It's not appropriate, and makes me feel uncomfortable.

You'll get over it.....

jbrownsjr

11-23-2005, 01:37 PM

David, I wanna hear what your favorite Christine era is & why. Go post in that thread! I will post too, once I formulate my response. But I will say now that my answer may surprise you all.

It won't surprise me... Unless it's the "love shines/heart of stone" era :lol:

goldustsongbird

11-23-2005, 06:19 PM

i dont think its that shes shy so much, she actually seems like a confident person, i think she is-she has every reason to be, its just not her style the whole wirly twirly thing. stevie is amazing on stage but says about herself that shes very shy and quiet off stage. -i still love chris on stage though!!!:D

Crawdaddy Magazine-November 1976
(about Stevie being so visible on stage)"It's great because Stevie's a show woman and she loves it. I'm the keyboard player, which keeps me out of the limelight. I enjoy it because I'm not a extrovert.

BAM 3/9/84
"I have this mask of aloofness, which really isn't aloofness, but shyness. Once you get over that, I'm easy to know. I have a reputation as the easiest member of Fleetwood Mac to know. But people have told me they thought I was stuck up. It's a kind of protective shell I have - English reserve or whatever. I was in Tower Records in San Francisco a few weeks ago, buying some cassettes, and a couple of people recognized me and ran up with albums and I just wanted to cover my face and have a seizure or something. I want people to just go away."

:shrug: I do like Christine's *English reserve*, though.

DavidMn

11-26-2005, 12:43 PM

Crawdaddy Magazine-November 1976
(about Stevie being so visible on stage)"It's great because Stevie's a show woman and she loves it. I'm the keyboard player, which keeps me out of the limelight. I enjoy it because I'm not a extrovert.

BAM 3/9/84
"I have this mask of aloofness, which really isn't aloofness, but shyness. Once you get over that, I'm easy to know. I have a reputation as the easiest member of Fleetwood Mac to know. But people have told me they thought I was stuck up. It's a kind of protective shell I have - English reserve or whatever. I was in Tower Records in San Francisco a few weeks ago, buying some cassettes, and a couple of people recognized me and ran up with albums and I just wanted to cover my face and have a seizure or something. I want people to just go away."

:shrug: I do like Christine's *English reserve*, though.Well, I cant blame her, especially if the fans were rude or obnoxious.

cliffdweller

12-05-2005, 12:12 PM

The production is a bit simplistic. So what?

I thought it was OVER-produced :shrug: She would have done better with a rawer, more intimate sound imo. I mean, the songs themselves aren't bad (except for Bad Journey--which everyone has pointed out) it's the cheesy production and arrangements that left me cold. Ugh. She could have done a lot more with this, but whatever. If it was a "little pet project" like someone mentioned earlier then I guess she did alright for herself.

And to be honest, I don't really get this, "Christine's voice sounds better than 20 years ago" sentiment either. She sounds good, don't get me wrong, but I MUCH prefer Christine's beautifully smooth alto on "Warm Ways" "Oh Daddy" and "Brown Eyes" from yesteryear. But again, maybe it was the songs on ITM...the songs left me cold so the voice could only salvage so much, ya know?

cliffdweller

12-05-2005, 12:23 PM

BAM 3/9/84 I want people to just go away."

This is my sentiment on any given day of the week :laugh:.

GypsySongbird

12-05-2005, 01:35 PM

And to be honest, I don't really get this, "Christine's voice sounds better than 20 years ago" sentiment either. She sounds good, don't get me wrong, but I MUCH prefer Christine's beautifully smooth alto on "Warm Ways" "Oh Daddy" and "Brown Eyes" from yesteryear. But again, maybe it was the songs on ITM...the songs left me cold so the voice could only salvage so much, ya know?

i think her voice is absolutely fantasic now! but then i adored it then too! so i cant really pick, i think she always has a stunning voice

billwebster

12-05-2005, 02:04 PM

Well, the electric guitars playing in sort of a funk style are definitely a departure for Christine. I had hoped for some tasty licks, like Michael Thompson plays them on her songs from the Time album, but instead there's this monotonous funk groove on large stretches of the In the Meantime album. Unfortunately, Christine's keyboards step back to showcase the funk grooves, so there's not as much diversity in the arrangements as I had hoped for. When I heard it for the 1st time, I was really unsure if this was an album for me to own. But I had a listen again in a different shop on a different day, and some songs grew, so I got the CD.
There's just one song, which I think really works well with the funk groove and that is Bad Journey. Friend is OK with it, but would sound better in a different arrangement, though it's probably the best song on there.
Others that I like from in the Meantime are Liar, Givin' It Back, Sweet Revenge,
Northern Star and Forgiveness (in which she really shines).
Let's hope she'll be doing another album at some time, but with a different producer and guitar player.