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trackaghost
11-12-2005, 03:54 PM
It was a close round but in the end Miss Whitney proved to be the Ledgie favourite of the wailing divas with 10 votes. Phew! I thought that round would never end.

Round 33: some truly inspiring singer-songwriters.


The results so far...
Round 1: Petty defeats Springsteen - 36 to 19
Round 2: Led Zeppelin defeat The Who - 22 to 19
Round 3: Madonna defeats Sheryl Crow/Kate Bush - 24 to 13/10
Round 4: The Beatles defeat Rolling Stones/U2 - 23 to 16/14
Round 5: Guns N Roses defeat Bon Jovi/Metallica - 17 to 13/12
Round 6: Heart defeat Blondie/The Pretenders - 23 to 16/6
Round 7: The Beach Boys defeat The Kinks/The Byrds - 24 to 10/10
Round 8: Johnny Cash defeats Elvis Presley/Roy Orbison - 20 to 19/7
Round 9: Abba defeats The Carpenters - 25 to 15
Round 10: Prince defeats Jimi Hendrix/Lenny Kravitz - 24 to 15/3
Round 11: No Doubt defeat Garbage/Hole - 27 to 11/9
Round 12: Bob Dylan defeats Neil Young - 26 to 25
Round 13: Dolly Parton defeats Emmylou Harris/Linda Ronstadt - 20 to 17/9
Round 14: Marvin Gaye defeats Aretha Franklin/Stevie Wonder/Diana Ross - 14 to 11/10/2
Round 15: David Bowie defeats Lou Reed/Iggy Pop - 38 to 5/2
Round 16: Talking Heads defeat The Clash - 21 to 19
Round 17: Billie Holiday defeats Ella Fitzgerald - 25 to 7
Round 18: The Eagles defeat Lynyrd Skynyrd - 30 to 17
Round 19: The Doors defeat Jefferson Airplane - 22 to 17
Round 20: Elvis Costello defeats Sting - 19 to 13
Round 21: Eurythmics defeat Depeche Mode/New Order - 27 to 7/6
Round 22: Duran Duran defeat Tears For Fears - 21 to 15
Round 23: Tori Amos defeats Alanis Morissette/Jewel - 21 to 11/8
Round 24: REM defeat Coldplay - 34 to 9
Round 25: The White Stripes defeat Beck - 19 to 18
Round 26: Pink Floyd defeat Radiohead - 30 to 9
Round 27: The Killers defeat Franz Ferdinand/Maroon 5 - 15 to 14/5
Round 28: Nirvana defeat Pearl Jam/Soundgarden - 15 to 13/4
Round 29: Elton John defeats Billy Joel - 31 to 11
Round 30: Creedence Clearwater Revival defeat The Band/The Grateful Dead - 23 to 7/7
Round 31: Aerosmith defeat AC/DC/Van Halen - 20 to 10/7
Round 32: Whitney Houston defeats Celine Dion/Mariah Carey/Christina Aguilera - 10 to 9/8/9
amber
11-12-2005, 03:57 PM
Yeah, that's right. I did it.
If I'm not familiar with people's work, should I just vote for the one I know, though they are not the best? Or is it my duty to go out and listen to all the others' songs first?
Hmmm.
Serrart
11-12-2005, 04:01 PM
Joni Mitchell, no question.

Romy
Jyqm
11-12-2005, 04:14 PM
Round 33: some truly inspiring singer-songwriters.

This should be exciting.

Or maybe it'll be blowout, who knows.

At any rate, I'm not too big on Carole King, though I don't dislike her. And, with all due respect, Mr. Taylor, now's not the best time for your unique brand of bittersweet folk-rock.

So it's between Joni and Jackson for me. Now Jackson has written some truly beautiful songs in his time, and not even just for himself. It doesn't get much better than "These Days." And yet, sometimes the guy just seems a little... dare I say it?... bland. That homogenized California sound (of course he co-wrote a song for The Eagles, how could he not?). "Bland" is an adjective you can almost never apply to Joni, though. Even when she misfires, she manages to crash and burn in a unique and interesting way. Her words simply tend to have more character than Jackson's (ditto her voice, which is a wonderful instrument that she really knows how to play). And is there anything can't do? Enigmatic, wistful, bitter, regretful, defiant, childish, weathered and wise. Her songwriting has never known many bounds.

Joni all the way, kids.
Jyqm
11-12-2005, 04:15 PM
Yeah, that's right. I did it.
If I'm not familiar with people's work, should I just vote for the one I know, though they are not the best? Or is it my duty to go out and listen to all the others' songs first?
Hmmm.

A vote for Jackson is fine by me, though it's absolutely everybody's duty to get to know some of the work of Ms. Mitchell.
amber
11-12-2005, 04:16 PM
Does anyone know of a song where's Joni's voice isn't so high and trilling that dogs come when you play it?
I'm not really familiar with a lot of her material.
Jyqm
11-12-2005, 04:20 PM
Does anyone know of a song where's Joni's voice isn't so high and trilling that dogs come when you play it?
I'm not really familiar with a lot of her material.

Most everything past the very early 70s, really. Start with Court & Spark.
amber
11-12-2005, 04:22 PM
Most everything past the very early 70s, really. Start with Court & Spark.
Oh, I have to buy something? mmm, not so much then.
Thanks, though. I will add it to my two mile long list.
Her voice didn't suddenly become all Stevie esq, though, did it? Does she yell?
markolas
11-12-2005, 04:38 PM
Her voice didn't suddenly become all Stevie esq, though, did it? Does she yell?

She doesn't yell. Her voice is very looooow now. :nod:
amber
11-12-2005, 04:40 PM
She doesn't yell. Her voice is very looooow now. :nod:
Wow. Low? Joni? Sounds cool. :)
Jyqm
11-12-2005, 04:45 PM
Oh, I have to buy something? mmm, not so much then.
Thanks, though. I will add it to my two mile long list.
Her voice didn't suddenly become all Stevie esq, though, did it? Does she yell?

She doesn't yell, no, though she does sing in a lower, sultrier register much of the time.

Here, I put a couple of Court & Spark songs up on YouSendIt:

"People's Parties" (yes, it's supposed ot cut off at the end like that): http://s54.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0895ZGF4MZC2I20DLDD5XNNMMS

and "Twisted" (featuring Cheech and Chong! and not to be confused with Stevie's ode to Bill Paxton): http://s39.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1MYK7XS1OPV8S29D67BI78FOKQ

Enjoy!

(By the way, does anyone else find the end of that second link offensive? No, YouSendIt, FOKQ!)
Jyqm
11-12-2005, 04:46 PM
Wow. Low? Joni? Sounds cool. :)

Well, decades of smoking did quite a number on her vocal chords.
wondergirl9847
11-12-2005, 04:48 PM
I chose James Taylor. I like his voice (especially on Her Town Too) and I don't care for the other voices. :shrug:
amber
11-12-2005, 04:54 PM
She doesn't yell, no, though she does sing in a lower, sultrier register much of the time.

Here, I put a couple of Court & Spark songs up on YouSendIt:

"People's Parties" (yes, it's supposed ot cut off at the end like that): http://s54.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0895ZGF4MZC2I20DLDD5XNNMMS

and "Twisted" (featuring Cheech and Chong! and not to be confused with Stevie's ode to Bill Paxton): http://s39.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1MYK7XS1OPV8S29D67BI78FOKQ

Enjoy!

(By the way, does anyone else find the end of that second link offensive? No, YouSendIt, FOKQ!)


Thanks, Quim!!!
So, I don't know what you think "low" and "not trilling" is, but Party People is neither, to me. She sure has a great voice, very facile - it sure bugs me, though.
Twisted is pretty cool. That voice thing, though.
I should love it, but it bugs.
Thanks again.:xoxo:
jannieC
11-12-2005, 04:56 PM
Loved her as a child- and still do.
Serrart
11-12-2005, 04:58 PM
Does anyone know of a song where's Joni's voice isn't so high and trilling that dogs come when you play it?
I'm not really familiar with a lot of her material.

Two of my favourites:
Both Sides Now (2000 version)
http://s56.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0EQ0JIG4E6VD01RQQ4LRU5M101

Blue (version with Sarah McLachlan)
http://s56.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2RO5DEWF5OU4G3K1V5BDYL8JK6

Romy
The Tower
11-12-2005, 05:14 PM
Oh, I have to buy something? mmm, not so much then.
Thanks, though. I will add it to my two mile long list.
Her voice didn't suddenly become all Stevie esq, though, did it? Does she yell?
You are such a retard..... :laugh: :xoxo:

Joni started out a folk singer in the mid-sixties singing with her then husband, Chuck Mitchell. She ditched him and lumenaries of the day starting putting her songs on their releases- most notably "Both Sides, Now" by Judy Collins.

She finally started releasing albums on her own. The first three are the ones that are "high and trilling that dogs come when you play it" as you put it:

Song for a Seagull
Clouds
Ladies of the Canyon

At this point, her relationship with Graham Nash, with whom she was deeply in love, ended because he wanted to get married and she wanted to remain a free woman. This breakup ushered in her confessional period, which consisted of the next two albums:

Blue
For The Roses

Joni was constantly restless and was always changing her guitar tunings into all manner of odd configurations. David Geffen and Elliot Roberts were managing the business side of her career. She moved back to LA from Canada (moving into David Geffen's house) and got involved in the early '70's jazz sound which moved her into the next phase of her career:

Court and Spark
Miles of Aisles (live)
Hissing of Summer Lawns

She met Jaco Pastorious and was infatuated with his experimental bass stylings. Restless and disillusioned with life in general, she took a road trip with friends and drove from LA to the Eastern seaboard (she didn't have a driver's license, but she did it anyway). This trip inspired most of the songs that appeared on her next album. This album and the one released after it were, for me, her last great albums until she "came back" in the early '90's.

Hejira
Don Juan's Reckless Daughter

Jazz bass player Charles Mingus was dying from Lou Gehrig's disease and asked Joni to write songs and add lyrics to some musical ideas he had. She went for it and received a lot of negative reviews as well as quite a bit of backlash from the jazz elite. I'm not all that impressed by the album:

Mingus
Shadows and Light (live)

Moving on, Joni was more disillusioned than ever and her songwriting began to get bitter and jaded. The early 80's period was mostly complaining about the ****ty state of politics and culture in general. For me, this was her low period- working with people such as Thomas Dolby and using lots of synthizers to poor effect:

Wild Things Run Fast
Dog Eat Dog

Her early 80's actions were really just the final nail in the coffin for Joni's long journey of trying to remove herself from the recording industry. Her next four albums would be her "second coming", so to speak. Her voice had completely changed to it's mid-low alto ravaged by years of heavy smoking- though still beautiful in my opinion:

Chalk Mark in a Rainstorm
Night Ride Home
Turbulent Indigo
Taming the Tiger

Now in her mid-fifties, Joni pretty much gave up on the concept of songwriting- her lifelong love of painting was now her primary creative focus. She released two more albums- both of which were orchestral reworkings of hits and misses. The Joni fan community was effectively split on these albums- some really hated them and others found a kind of poignant "September Song" feel to them (I'm in the latter).

Both Sides, Now
Travelogue

With the release of Travelogue, Joni retired from the music industry.


So to answer your question Amber- here are the following albums I recommend for one who is looking to get into Joni's music.

First purchase:

Blue
Court and Spark
Miles of Aisles

These will give you the most ear-friendly introduction to Joni's unique style and wonderful songwriting. After that I would recommend:

Hejira
Night Ride Home
Turbulent Indigo

More exploration into different styles. Hejira is a masterpiece, but it's not as masses-friendly as the first three. After getting a taste for Joni's experimental songwriting, I would move on to these albums:

For The Roses
Ladies of the Canyon
Hissing of Summer Lawns

At that point, you got the meat of Joni's catalog. You can spice with Song to a Seagull, Clouds, Don Juan's Reckless Daughter, or even Taming of the Tiger. I would steer clear of her early 80's stuff. Chalk Mark is uneven- though some truly love it.

There's your Joni primer. :wavey: And, no, Joni doesn't yell. :laugh:
amber
11-12-2005, 05:17 PM
Two of my favourites:
Both Sides Now (2000 version)
http://s56.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0EQ0JIG4E6VD01RQQ4LRU5M101

Blue (version with Sarah McLachlan)
http://s56.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2RO5DEWF5OU4G3K1V5BDYL8JK6

Romy
Thanks Romy.:)
I like her voice on Both Sides Now.
The Blue harmony is pretty. Although it's definitely MacLachlaned.
ontheEdgeof17
11-12-2005, 05:20 PM
I voted for C. King. Her songs could not be beat at the time of her peak in the music business.
amber
11-12-2005, 05:21 PM
You are such a retard..... :laugh: :xoxo:
I'm a retard? Who just typed all that out for someone who just said she didn't like Joni's voice??? :laugh: :xoxo:


Thanks for the info, Tower. :wavey:
wait, what does "you can spice" mean?
Brwn_eyes0511
11-12-2005, 05:26 PM
This was hard...but I had to go with...

Carole King
The Tower
11-12-2005, 05:30 PM
I'm a retard? Who just typed all that out for someone who just said she didn't like Joni's voice??? :laugh: :xoxo:
The retard comment was more related to the "does she yell?" part. Joni is the complete opposite of your beloved yeller, Laura Branigan. :laugh:

The reason why I typed all that out is because most people associate Joni's "voice" with her very early period and I wanted to show that she was more than just that trill/folk chick.

wait, what does "you can spice" mean?
If you want to add stuff to your Joni albums, those listed are more for the Joniphile type people. I'll translate it into Stevie-speak.

"If you're not familiar with the works of Stevie Nicks, I would start out with Belladonna and Rumours, then move on to The Wild Heart and Tusk. After getting into Trouble In Shangri La and Mirage, you can spice it with The Other Side of the Mirror. I would stay away from Street Angel."
Jyqm
11-12-2005, 05:36 PM
Thanks, Quim!!!
So, I don't know what you think "low" and "not trilling" is, but Party People is neither, to me.

I'm not sure what you think "trilling" is, but I'll be damned if hear any of it on "People's Parties," except on maybe one or two words.

No, the song is not her lowest singing for most of it, but she goes quite low in the last 30 seconds for the "laughing it all the way" refrain. And almost none of it approaches the near-falsetto of most of her earliest albums - those are indeed high and trilling.
amber
11-12-2005, 06:03 PM
I'm not sure what you think "trilling" is, but I'll be damned if hear any of it on "People's Parties," except on maybe one or two words.

No, the song is not her lowest singing for most of it, but she goes quite low in the last 30 seconds for the "laughing it all the way" refrain. And almost none of it approaches the near-falsetto of most of her earliest albums - those are indeed high and trilling.
trilling is when she goes up and down with notes scurrilly and rapidly. You know, rapid up and down note change.
Jyqm
11-12-2005, 06:12 PM
trilling is when she goes up and down with notes scurrilly and rapidly. You know, rapid up and down note change.

Right. As I said, I'm really not hearing it on "People's Parties," with the exception of maybe two words.
amber
11-12-2005, 06:15 PM
Right. As I said, I'm really not hearing it on "People's Parties," with the exception of maybe two words.
Oh, I heard it through the whole thing pretty much.:)
amber
11-12-2005, 06:16 PM
The retard comment was more related to the "does she yell?" part. Joni is the complete opposite of your beloved yeller, Laura Branigan. :laugh:

The reason why I typed all that out is because most people associate Joni's "voice" with her very early period and I wanted to show that she was more than just that trill/folk chick.


If you want to add stuff to your Joni albums, those listed are more for the Joniphile type people. I'll translate it into Stevie-speak.

"If you're not familiar with the works of Stevie Nicks, I would start out with Belladonna and Rumours, then move on to The Wild Heart and Tusk. After getting into Trouble In Shangri La and Mirage, you can spice it with The Other Side of the Mirror. I would stay away from Street Angel."


Oh. I knew she didn't yell. My point was kinda....if she doesn't yell, I don't like it...:laugh:
shackin'up
11-12-2005, 07:22 PM
easy. jackson browne. one of the best all american boys ever.
markolas
11-12-2005, 07:22 PM
If Carole King beats Joni, I'm gonna have to choke a bitch. :mad:
Moony
11-12-2005, 07:51 PM
I can't belive people actually voted for that wife-beater, Browne.
Jyqm
11-12-2005, 08:13 PM
I can't belive people actually voted for that wife-beater, Browne.

What's that got to do with his music and songwriting?
markolas
11-12-2005, 08:16 PM
What's that got to do with his music and songwriting?

Some people (me included) have a hard time separating the person from the talent. For instance, I can't watch a movie with Mel Gibson or Tom Cruise, because I can't get past the fact that they're both bat**** crazy. :D
Johnny Stew
11-12-2005, 08:18 PM
I can't belive people actually voted for that wife-beater, Browne.Leave him alone... it was the first hit he'd had in years.
Moony
11-12-2005, 08:34 PM
What's that got to do with his music and songwriting?
Admittedly, nothing. But I agree with Markolas; it is hard to separate the music from the person. For me, at least.


Leave him alone... it was the first hit he'd had in years.
Stew! That's horrible ...but funny
dissention
11-12-2005, 08:39 PM
So when's the Patti Smith round? I need to represent my homegirl.

That's what I was wondering. I was all psyched to be able to vote for Patti and...she's not here.
wondergirl9847
11-12-2005, 08:44 PM
If Carole King beats Joni, I'm gonna have to choke a bitch. :mad:

Wayne Brady?! Is that you?! Welcome to the board!! :D
SteveMacD
11-12-2005, 08:48 PM
I had to vote for Carole King. I think all are brilliant singer/songwriters and are extremely worthy, but Carole just edges the others out because of all of the artists who've done her material.
dissention
11-12-2005, 08:49 PM
I can't belive people actually voted for that wife-beater, Browne.

I can't, either, but that has more to do with his music being as bland and appetizing as a brown envelope.

For me, it's a toss up between Joni and Carole. I like both a great deal.
SteveMacD
11-12-2005, 08:50 PM
If Carole King beats Joni, I'm gonna have to choke a bitch. :mad:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b313/SteveMacD/waynebrady.jpg
markolas
11-12-2005, 08:50 PM
I can't, either, but that has more to do with his music being as bland and appetizing as a brown envelope.

For me, it's a toss up between Joni and Carole. I like both a great deal.

Vote for Joni, god damn it!
markolas
11-12-2005, 08:51 PM
Wayne Brady?! Is that you?! Welcome to the board!! :D

No, but I do feel like doing that to an awful lot of people lately. :laugh:
Jyqm
11-12-2005, 08:57 PM
Admittedly, nothing. But I agree with Markolas; it is hard to separate the music from the person. For me, at least.

I guess it's also hard to separate the person from the unsubstantiated rumours about the person, too, huh?
estranged4life
11-12-2005, 09:02 PM
any of the 4, But Jackson Browne gets my vote only because I like his songs "Running on Empty" & "The Load Out"....Otherwise not my type of music.
Moony
11-12-2005, 09:09 PM
I guess it's also hard to separate the person from the unsubstantiated rumours about the person, too, huh?
I thought it was true that he beat Darryl Hannah?
dissention
11-12-2005, 09:13 PM
I thought it was true that he beat Darryl Hannah?

It was alleged in a TV movie about Kennedy & Caroline a couple of years back and Browne went positively ape****.
SteveMacD
11-12-2005, 09:14 PM
Actually, I think the biggest reason to NOT vote for Jackson Browne is that he co-wrote "Take It Easy."
Jyqm
11-12-2005, 09:19 PM
I thought it was true that he beat Darryl Hannah?

Source?

Jackson Browne has consistently denied ever assaulting Darryl Hannah, and the Santa Monica Police Department, which investigated the claims, agrees that the incident never happened.

Two years ago, Jackson Browne also sued the producers of a TV movie about the life of John F. Kennedy Jr. which made reference to him beating Darryl Hannah. The producers agreed to cut the scenes.

Around the same time, he also sued VH1 for airing a program which mentioned the alleged incident. VH1 dropped the corresponding footage and issued an apology.

http://music.yahoo.com/read/news/12061712
Moony
11-12-2005, 09:28 PM
Source?

Jackson Browne has consistently denied ever assaulting Darryl Hannah, and the Santa Monica Police Department, which investigated the claims, agrees that the incident never happened.

Two years ago, Jackson Browne also sued the producers of a TV movie about the life of John F. Kennedy Jr. which made reference to him beating Darryl Hannah. The producers agreed to cut the scenes.

Around the same time, he also sued VH1 for airing a program which mentioned the alleged incident. VH1 dropped the corresponding footage and issued an apology.

http://music.yahoo.com/read/news/12061712
Well ok. Then I retract my "wife-beater" statement, and replace it with "inferior to the other choices."
Jyqm
11-12-2005, 09:32 PM
Well ok. Then I retract my "wife-beater" statement, and replace it with "inferior to the other choices."

Fair enough!
Johnny Stew
11-12-2005, 09:41 PM
Then I retract my "wife-beater" statementAw, but then that negates my "first hit in years" joke. Dagnabbit. :mad:
Moony
11-14-2005, 12:51 AM
Danny, is that Buckley in your avatar? Your avatars are always too cool.
I soooo need to include Buckley....
It most surely is, glad you like it :)

You do need to include Jeff! I can't think of anyone to pit against him right now though

hmmm