Everybody Finds Out

[JazmenFlowers]

I'm so upset that more wasn't done with this song. I've been thinking about this a lot lately. The strings and other instrumentation on this song is top notch, in my opinion. I love the little break towards the end (the "don't you know" part). It could have been an awesome video or single and a remix would have been amazing. I hate that it was just left on the CD. I really like it and wish it had gotten more attention.

[The Tower]

I'm so upset that more wasn't done with this song. I've been thinking about this a lot lately. The strings and other instrumentation on this song is top notch, in my opinion. I love the little break towards the end (the "don't you know" part). It could have been an awesome video or single and a remix would have been amazing. I hate that it was just left on the CD. I really like it and wish it had gotten more attention.
Hell, yeah.

It should have been the leadoff single. Lindsey should have been shot for the "metallic voice" production on it. Stevie's vocal is blistering. They should have done it live- they could have done a change-up on the arrangement to allow the lead vocal to be done right.

I think SYW would have sold a LOT more copies if they had done a great video for this and promoted the **** out of the single. I mean, "Peacekeeper" is alright... but I think selecting that song as lead off single (combined with the running order) sunk the album.

[dissention]

Lindsey should have been shot for the "metallic voice" production on it. Stevie's vocal is blistering. They should have done it live- they could have done a change-up on the arrangement to allow the lead vocal to be done right.

I totally agree. I fecking loathe that tinny, AM-radio effect that he uses constantly. That vocal she laid down is one of the best she's done in YEARS. I'm not totally crazy about the song itself, but lately I've been playing it and loving it just because it's so darned fun. It's Stevie's "Believe." :laugh: I do wish that they had opened the song like the alternative version opens, though; loudly and abruptly.

[Highwayman]

:distress: This was THE most un-FM sounding song on the CD. It should have been kept for TISL or another solo outing. I don't think John Mick or Lindsey really played on it. Christine certainly would not have done those keyboards. Solo stuff... I love the song, but it just didn't "sound like them."

I didn't hear a single until I got to RTTG. Steal Her Heart Away should have been the single, Bleed To Love Her should have been a single, RTTG should have been a single with a super cool video. Peaskeeper and SYW? No. Killed the album.

[dissention]

Peaskeeper and SYW? No. Killed the album.

I heard Say You Will in Big Lots. 'Nuff said.

You have a point in regards to it sounding very un-Fleetwood Mac. But that's my beef with the whole album; with the exception of a few songs, it sounds like two solo albums thrown in a blender and offered up to consumers. Great songs, but as an album, it's woefully inept.

[ELIUD]

I agree 1000% about Everybody Finds Out as a lead single. This song represents the album so much better as another side of Fleetwood Mac. An adult contemporary rock band that can create new and relevant music. Not the classic rock nostalgia band that everybody thinks of it as.

[jkmaletic]

I heard Say You Will in Big Lots. 'Nuff said.

You have a point in regards to it sounding very un-Fleetwood Mac. But that's my beef with the whole album; with the exception of a few songs, it sounds like two solo albums thrown in a blender and offered up to consumers. Great songs, but as an album, it's woefully inept.

What the hell could you have possibly been doing at Big Lots?? :lol: (sorry- couldn't resist)

[sparky]

They should have done it live- they could have done a change-up on the arrangement to allow the lead vocal to be done right.


You and I both know this would have been a bitter disappointment live. Never would have been done in the proper key, and let's face it - Stevie never sings a song at this tempo live. I don't know why but she doesn't.

[dissention]

What the hell could you have possibly been doing at Big Lots?? :lol: (sorry- couldn't resist)

I buy my dish detergent there. :p

[JazmenFlowers]

I totally agree. I fecking loathe that tinny, AM-radio effect that he uses constantly. That vocal she laid down is one of the best she's done in YEARS. I'm not totally crazy about the song itself, but lately I've been playing it and loving it just because it's so darned fun. It's Stevie's "Believe." :laugh: I do wish that they had opened the song like the alternative version opens, though; loudly and abruptly.
yeppers :nod:

[JazmenFlowers]

I buy my dish detergent there. :p
I love Big Lots too for trash bags and household tools and things like that. I wouldn't buy any of the furniture, clothes, decor or food if it were free.

[strandinthewind]

You and I both know this would have been a bitter disappointment live. Never would have been done in the proper key, and let's face it - Stevie never sings a song at this tempo live. I don't know why but she doesn't.

She did a good job on RTTG the two times they did it :shrug: Also, I think in the DR doc. - she was singing it in the same key or close to it. So, I think she would have done it justice.

[SapphireSister]

I couldn't agree more about EFO. It's always been one of my favorites off SYW and I think it should have been a single over any of the ones that were released. I'm not sure how it would have translated live without the great string parts though which really make the song. My favorite part is definitely the orchestral breakdown "don't you know". Such an upbeat, energetic, rock out song with great vocals and superb production.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it true someone outside of FM wrote the music to EFO and Stevie the lyrics? I've always wondered why in the world a band with 3 (in this case 2) competent songwriters would use outside people to compose their music :shrug: (even though they've had some great songs as a result).

[sparky]

I buy my dish detergent there. :p

I love it for work. Bulk crap, cheap. Shelf filler.

[strandinthewind]

I buy my dish detergent there. :p


Ummmm - you do not use the more expensive and more eco friendly stuff - I a taking away your liberal card Mister Man :xoxo:

[Jyqm]

I don't think John Mick or Lindsey really played on it.

Who do you think played on it?

[dissention]

I love Big Lots too for trash bags and household tools and things like that. I wouldn't buy any of the furniture, clothes, decor or food if it were free.

OMG, I looked at the nasty ass food there once and it was all out of date. :laugh: And it was all the funky stuff that the big name brands tried to push but failed miserably at selling. Reminded me of a discount grocery store my grandmother used to go to called The Boston Barn. 'Twas not a barn but an old, dilapidated supermarket where they sold twenty snack size bags of chips for one dollar because they were past the expiration dates on the bags.

[sparky]

She did a good job on RTTG the two times they did it :shrug: Also, I think in the DR doc. - she was singing it in the same key or close to it. So, I think she would have done it justice.

RTTG was lowered a step, but I liked it live. If she did that last section of EFO in the same key live I would eat my shorts. And yours.

[strandinthewind]

RTTG was lowered a step, but I liked it live. If she did that last section of EFO in the same key live I would eat my shorts. And yours.

Your into 2xist :wavey:

[sparky]

Your into 2xist :wavey:


I'm strictly a Calvin man.

[dissention]

She did a good job on RTTG the two times they did it :shrug:

I thought only one recording surfaced; just the Columbus show and not the full rehearsal?

I'm convinced that the reason it was dropped was because it would have been too taxing on her voice to sing it every night.

[Jyqm]

I'm so upset that more wasn't done with this song. I've been thinking about this a lot lately. The strings and other instrumentation on this song is top notch, in my opinion. I love the little break towards the end (the "don't you know" part). It could have been an awesome video or single and a remix would have been amazing. I hate that it was just left on the CD. I really like it and wish it had gotten more attention.

EFO has always been one of my favorite songs on the album, because it just comes right out and kicks your ass, as opposed to "Say You Will," which is a nice enough song, but one that very quickly and easily fades into the background as you stroll the aisles of your favorite pharmacy.

Who knows why they didn't at least do it live. Probably too exciting for Stevie. Wouldn't want her to actually break a sweat up there or rock out at all.

She could make it all better if she did it with the orchestra, though...

[SapphireSister]

Also some of her best lyrics in years IMO:

"When love starts out in the darkness
It doesn't do well in the light
Affairs of the heart
That start out in the dark
Usually stay with the night"

:nod: :woohoo:

[dissention]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it true someone outside of FM wrote the music to EFO and Stevie the lyrics? I've always wondered why in the world a band with 3 (in this case 2) competent songwriters would use outside people to compose their music :shrug: (even though they've had some great songs as a result).

Rick Nowels wrote the music. Two guys by the names of Gary Nicholson and Ray Kennedy wrote the music for Running Through the Garden, too.

[JazmenFlowers]

EFO has always been one of my favorite songs on the album, because it just comes right out and kicks your ass, as opposed to "Say You Will," which is a nice enough song, but one that very quickly and easily fades into the background as you stroll the aisles of your favorite pharmacy.

Who knows why they didn't at least do it live. Probably too exciting for Stevie. Wouldn't want her to actually break a sweat up there or rock out at all.

She could make it all better if she did it with the orchestra, though...
well, here's hoping it happens in Australia

[strandinthewind]

I thought only one recording surfaced; just the Columbus show and not the full rehearsal?

I'm convinced that the reason it was dropped was because it would have been too taxing on her voice to sing it every night.

I think it was more a function of her perception of poor audience reception. I think she can within reason sing anything anyway she wants and she will be okay. I think she just plays if way safe because she has had huge vocal trouble in the past, she is in her late 50's, etc.

[SapphireSister]

Rick Nowels wrote the music. Two guys by the names of Gary Nicholson and Ray Kennedy wrote the music for Running Through the Garden, too.

Yep Rick Nowles, that's what I thought. Too bad when the music for one of the best songs on the album wasn't written by the band. I don't know why that bothers me. I guess when I really love a Stevie song I always hope it's her original composition.

[JazmenFlowers]

Yep Rick Nowles, that's what I thought. Too bad when the music for one of the best songs on the album wasn't written by the band. I don't know why that bothers me. I guess when I really love a Stevie song I always hope it's her original composition.
I see what you're saying, but I also totally love how the work of two minds comes together to form such an awesome song. I couldn't imagine either without the other.

[dissention]

I love it for work. Bulk crap, cheap. Shelf filler.

It's incredibly cheap. I almost bought a whole cart of dish detergent the last time I was there because it was two for a dollar and they were the big 25 ounce bottles with bleach. Cool ****. :laugh:

[ELIUD]

The "strings" on the song sound more like a synthesizer to me. But I love that part and think it would be great with an orchestra in Australia.

Does anybody know if Stevie wrote Cat House Blues. I love that song and want it to be her's.

[SapphireSister]

Rick Nowels wrote the music. Two guys by the names of Gary Nicholson and Ray Kennedy wrote the music for Running Through the Garden, too.

He also wrote one of my favorite Madonna songs, "The Power of Goodbye". This guy is good!

[SapphireSister]

The "strings" on the song sound more like a synthesizer to me. But I love that part and think it would be great with an orchestra in Australia.

Does anybody know if Stevie wrote Cat House Blues. I love that song and want it to be her's.

Yes, she did indeed write that one.

[ELIUD]

God I love her.

[sparky]

It's incredibly cheap. I almost bought a whole cart of dish detergent the last time I was there because it was two for a dollar and they were the big 25 ounce bottles with bleach. Cool ****. :laugh:

Like Strand, I am shocked you don't restrict yourself to biodegradable eco friendly detergent.:nod:

[dissention]

Like Strand, I am shocked you don't restrict yourself to biodegradable eco friendly detergent.:nod:

:laugh:

Well, if it's any consolation, my trash bags are biodegradable and I don't throw out batteries.

[David]

You and I both know this would have been a bitter disappointment live. Never would have been done in the proper key, and let's face it - Stevie never sings a song at this tempo live. I don't know why but she doesn't.Lack of vocal pliability. Her voice box doesn't have pliability any more. She can't sing 'bustling,' so that affects a lot of songs, like 'Rhiannon,' 'Edge of Seventeen,' 'Rock 'n' Roll,' 'I Need to Know,' etc.

Her voice is more geared to the languid.

[SapphireSister]

OMG I'm having a mild coronary!!! I was looking through Rick Nowels discography and it said he wrote the music to Rooms on Fire!! I never knew that? I thought Rooms was an original Stevie composition. I'm crushed that the music to my favorite Stevie song was not written by her when all these years I had assumed it was. I'm devastated! I need to go back so sleep and hope this is a nightmare lol. :distress:

[strandinthewind]

Like Strand, I am shocked you don't restrict yourself to biodegradable eco friendly detergent.:nod:

I know - I am calling the Sierra Club on him!!!!!

But, I suppose that $1.00 he saves is worth the cost to the environment - how W of him.

[strandinthewind]

:laugh:

Well, if it's any consolation, my trash bags are biodegradable and I don't throw out batteries.

Spin it anyway you want honey - but the liberal tree huggers have been warned of your eco unfriendly pseudo incontinence.

[dissention]

Spin it anyway you want honey - but the liberal tree huggers have been warned of your eco unfriendly pseudo incontinence.

Oh well. My detergent is phosphate free, so I won't lose any sleep. :p

[David]

OMG I'm having a mild coronary!!! I was looking through Rick Nowels discography and it said he wrote the music to Rooms on Fire!! I never knew that? I thought Rooms was an original Stevie composition. I'm crushed that the music to my favorite Stevie song was not written by her when all these years I had assumed it was. I'm devastated! I need to go back so sleep and hope this is a nightmare lol. :distress:
Yeah, Rick Nowels wrote the music for several of her songs: Rooms on Fire, Long Way to Go, Two Kinds of Love, Ooh My Love, I Can't Wait, If I Were You.

And a bunch of other songs' music was written by other people, too:

Ghosts (Mike Campbell)
Whole Lotta Trouble (Mike Campbell)
Fire Burning (Mike Campbell)
Alice (Rupert Hine)
Sister Honey (Les Dudek)
Imperial Hotel (Mike Campbell)
The Nightmare (Chris Nicks)
Has Anyone Ever Written Anything for You (Keith Olsen)
No Questions Asked (Kelly Johnston)
Desert Angel (Mike Campbell)
Love Is Dangerous (Rick Vito)
Freedom (Mike Campbell)
The Second Time (Rick Vito)
If Anyone Falls (Sandy Stewart)
Nightbird (Sandy Stewart)
Nothing Ever Changes (Sandy Stewart)
Kind of Woman (Benmont Tench & Stevie)
Think About It (Roy Bittan & Stevie)

Stevie's a much more prolific lyricist than she is a penner of chord progressions.

[dissention]

Has Anyone Ever Written Anything for You (Keith Olsen)


Hasn't she said that she sat down at her piano and banged that song out in five minutes flat, David? Weird.

[strandinthewind]

Hasn't she said that she sat down at her piano and banged that song out in five minutes flat, David? Weird.

I think she did the demo of it and she gave Keith Olsen a writing credit for the extra music. She plays the piano demo in the Cynthia McFadden interview during the NYC TISL concerts.

[dissention]

I think she did the demo of it and she gave Keith Olsen a writing credit for the extra music.

Beats me, I never bothered to read through the liner notes on the CD. All kinds of ****ed up, they are.

[rbs3676]

I'm strictly a Calvin man.

Oh, Sparky...I'm a Calvin man myself...:xoxo:

EFO is the one song that totally WOWED me the first time that I heard SAY YOU WILL. It was also the first song that I went back to once the entire first listen was over. It's one of her best songs in years and that has everything to do with her vocals AND the arrangement. Isn't this mix on the CD done by Chris Lord-Alge? Shame on WB for not making this the first single...(followed rather quickly by MIRANDA). A sassy radio edit would have done the job had it been accompanied by a video.

rbs

[David]

I think she did the demo of it and she gave Keith Olsen a writing credit for the extra music. She plays the piano demo in the Cynthia McFadden interview during the NYC TISL concerts.Yeah, I think she composed the main figure (Bb - Gm - Eb - F) & Keith wrote the chords for the bridge (And the rain comes down . . . etc.). When she played the song for Jim Ladd in 1994, I believe she just played the figure she composed. Stevie doesn't write suspended chords or 7ths/9ths. When you see more complex chords, they generally came from someone else.

Which is a pretty good clue in general -- she will generally only play the part of a song that she composed (or in cases like Nightmare or Kind of Woman, where she does a piano version of the parts she writes).

[dissention]

Shame on WB for not making this the first single...(followed rather quickly by MIRANDA). A sassy radio edit would have done the job had it been accompanied by a video.

I think Miranda would have been the best choice for the first single, personally. Everybody Finds Out, with all due respect, would turn off some old casual fans and I can't picture classic rock radio stations playing it. But on the other hand, I do think they should have released something jolting right off the bat, so who knows.

[Rickypt]

I don't think it really matters what songs were released as singles. Fleetwood Mac is not going to have a hit single anymore, in my opinion. If they were, Peacekeeper or SYW would have done it, because they are catchy even if boring as all get out.

I think the band made poor choices about which SYW songs to do live. They should have done Miranda, Steal Your Heart Away and either Thrown Down or RTTG. How disappointing that they didn't shake it up for the final leg.

EFO is amazing, sounds nothing like Fleetwood Mac, and probably would not come off well live.

I love Big Lots and thought they were only in California.

[DavidMn]

I'm so upset that more wasn't done with this song. I've been thinking about this a lot lately. The strings and other instrumentation on this song is top notch, in my opinion. I love the little break towards the end (the "don't you know" part). It could have been an awesome video or single and a remix would have been amazing. I hate that it was just left on the CD. I really like it and wish it had gotten more attention.I agree. I wish they wouldve done it live

[JazmenFlowers]

Lack of vocal pliability. Her voice box doesn't have pliability any more. She can't sing 'bustling,' so that affects a lot of songs, like 'Rhiannon,' 'Edge of Seventeen,' 'Rock 'n' Roll,' 'I Need to Know,' etc.

Her voice is more geared to the languid.
this is awfully interesting...can you elaborate/explain a little bit...not sure I really have had the lightbulb moment yet

[Jyqm]

EFO is amazing, sounds nothing like Fleetwood Mac, and probably would not come off well live.

I agree only on that first point. I think this song could have really cooked live. I also think it sounds a lot like Tango-era Mac. But then, I never really understand what people mean when they something "doesn't sound like Fleetwood Mac." Am I the only one who thinks all five Rumours-era albums sound pretty different from one another?

[DavidMn]

I agree only on that first point. I think this song could have really cooked live. I also think it sounds a lot like Tango-era Mac. But then, I never really understand what people mean when they something "doesn't sound like Fleetwood Mac." Am I the only one who thinks all five Rumours-era albums sound pretty different from one another?No I would tend to agree with you on that.

[Johnny Stew]

No Questions Asked (Kelly Johnston)I think "No Questions Asked" might be solely a Stevie composition.
I remember her saying in some interview, circa 'Greatest Hits,' that they were out on tour and Kelly was the only person who would help her set up the recording equipment in the middle of the night so she could demo the song... so she gave Kelly a writing credit (which probably amounted to a nice chunk of change from a multi-million selling compilation).

[JazmenFlowers]

I think "No Questions Asked" might be solely a Stevie composition.
I remember her saying in some interview, circa 'Greatest Hits,' that they were out on tour and Kelly was the only person who would help her set up the recording equipment in the middle of the night so she could demo the song... so she gave Kelly a writing credit (which probably amounted to a nice chunk of change from a multi-million selling compilation).
good lord that's generous - I can't say I would've done the same thing

and I love the demo of this song too. and the interview she gives explaining what the song is about and the interviewer says it's going to be the next single and stevie doesn't respond and the girl goes "right?" and stevie says "I do not know, I am not a soothsayer" :lol:

[SapphireSister]

And a bunch of other songs' music was written by other people, too:
Whole Lotta Trouble (Mike Campbell)


According to Stevie she wrote the music to this one but Mike helped out:
"I wrote Whole Lotta Trouble myself, on the guitar, which I seldom do because of my fingernails. Again, along with Two Kinds of Love, in Australia on the Bob Dylan/Tom Petty tour... I went to Michael's [Campbell] room, he had his 4-track set up, gave me his guitar, tuned it to an open G, you know that [hums opening notes of Whole Lotta Trouble] Well, I can play pretty well; I can play real good rhythm guitar. But with long fingernails and an open tuning, you can only just play that one note, so it's like bass. So I played it, and he recorded it and he sang it, and he took it home, and a year later, I went to Michael's house and he had cut a complete track on it. And he had written a little bridge in the middle of it. And the wildest thing about it was that I had already, in the years that had gone between, I had written probably five or six more Whole Lotta Troubles. So I was all into my new Whole Lotta Troubles, and Michael brought his little yellow ghettoblaster and said, 'Stevie, this is the way we wrote it' and he made me listen to it. And then he put on his track, and it was one of the most amazing moments of my life, was that exactly what I had played on the little yellow ghettoblaster, went exactly along with this incredible track that he had done, and he said 'now you have to relearn it that way.' And of course I hate that, I hate when anybodt tells me that. But I adore Michael, so it's like, 'yes sir, Mr. Campbell, I'll learn it, give me five minutes.' So I learned it, I sang it, and it remained very much, exactly ike it is on the record."

[Richard B]

Very interesting thread and comments about EFO. The first time I heard it I thought wow...this is gonna be a big song for them.

But they started off with Peacekeeper, which is good and album rock stations did play it heavily. The Tin Tin Out remix released in the UK was a really good mix of it, although I prefer the album cut.

Then when the single, Say You Will dropped...while catchy, it needs a severe edit. They should have made it short and sweet. Just end the f'ing chorus already. Also I think they should have picked up the tempo a bit especially with the closing chorus. I don't mind the kids singing either...kinda sweet. I hate this song live. Again, that chorus of hell that goes on and on and on.

EFO was robbed of being a single. But I think Reprise just feels that there are enough fans out there that will buy the album and recover costs without much marketing and single promotion. At this point in FM's career, it's not necessary.

Many of you commented on EFO not sounding like FM. For EFO as a single to do well, that might be exactly what they needed. The "who's this" reaction. I have some friends who are not FM fans, but thought EFO was the snap.

[The Tower]

That vocal she laid down is one of the best she's done in YEARS.
Fukc, yeah! :nod:

I heard Say You Will in Big Lots. 'Nuff said.
I wouldn't set foot in that store.

You and I both know this would have been a bitter disappointment live. Never would have been done in the proper key, and let's face it - Stevie never sings a song at this tempo live. I don't know why but she doesn't.
If she would just try a little bit, she could have pulled it off. I think the song would have really energized her. And if a kick-ass video had been made and if it had been promoted as a single, I believe her confidence would have been up enough to play it in the right key and rip the vocal.

She did a good job on RTTG the two times they did it :shrug:
RTTG live was gawd-awful... I'm glad they dropped it.

RTTG was lowered a step, but I liked it live.
I couldn't get past the key change. The demo from the 80's was in Dm - then the SYW version was ramped up to Em (so much better)- and then they fukcing drop it down live!! It took the wind outta her sails. If Lindsey's production wasn't such a piece of crap, the key change might not have been so noticeable.

If she did that last section of EFO in the same key live I would eat my shorts. And yours.
Another reason why I'm pissed they didn't do it live.... ;)

well, here's hoping it happens in Australia
Dream on, Jazzy... The only orchestra songs will be "Rhiannon", "Dreams", "HAEWAFY", "BATB", "Gold Dust Woman" and "Stand Back"...... *** snoozzzze ***

I think it was more a function of her perception of poor audience reception. I think she can within reason sing anything anyway she wants and she will be okay. I think she just plays if way safe because she has had huge vocal trouble in the past, she is in her late 50's, etc.
My least favorite Stevie characteristic ever. It's like nails on a gawd damned chalkboard.

Lack of vocal pliability. Her voice box doesn't have pliability any more. She can't sing 'bustling,' so that affects a lot of songs, like 'Rhiannon,' 'Edge of Seventeen,' 'Rock 'n' Roll,' 'I Need to Know,' etc.

Her voice is more geared to the languid.
Very, very true- however, if she can record the vocal in this time period, she can replicate it.

Hasn't she said that she sat down at her piano and banged that song out in five minutes flat, David? Weird.
Keith Olsen's writing credit was ditched for the Timespace release.

I think Miranda would have been the best choice for the first single, personally. Everybody Finds Out, with all due respect, would turn off some old casual fans and I can't picture classic rock radio stations playing it. But on the other hand, I do think they should have released something jolting right off the bat, so who knows.
I agree. Miranda should have been the second single, for sure.

I don't think it really matters what songs were released as singles. Fleetwood Mac is not going to have a hit single anymore, in my opinion. If they were, Peacekeeper or SYW would have done it, because they are catchy even if boring as all get out.
Whether or not they would have had a hit single isn't the deal- it's the fact that a kick-ass video would have given them much more visibility and I think it would have boosed the sales of the album.

[SapphireSister]

Then when the single, Say You Will dropped... I hate this song live.


You mean you weren't doing the lasso dance along with Stevie? :lol:

[Rickypt]

But then, I never really understand what people mean when they something "doesn't sound like Fleetwood Mac." Am I the only one who thinks all five Rumours-era albums sound pretty different from one another?

I should have said "doesn't sound like FM to me." Those five albums all sound different, but I think they mainly sound as if they were a collaboration of the entire band. Tango being somewhat of an exception, and so I'd agree that EFO has a Tango-ness to it.

I think SYW sounds like two solo albums put together with Stevie and Lindsey doing background singing on each other's songs. It doesn't have a feel of the band creating the product as a whole, so it doesn't sound like FM to me. EFO comes across as a Stevie solo song.

As for a live EFO, I agree that it would cook live if they could pull it off, but I don't think Stevie is able or willing to get out of the comfort zone needed to make it work.

[Neal]

You mean you weren't doing the lasso dance along with Stevie? :lol:

Ugh! That's one of my "embarrassing Stevie moments". I went to my 3rd SYW show with a couple of pretty casual fans. They couldn't stop laughing during the song, and then a week later they were still doing the 'lasso dance' just to make fun of me... :o A$$holes. :lol:

[Highwayman]

Who do you think played on it?

:shrug: No idea; whoever played on TISL. Sound perfect for that album. Sounds like it was left off TISL, she brought it to FM and they just "plunked" it down on the album as is.

[Highwayman]

Rick Nowels wrote the music.

Probably played it too. Sure doesn't sound like FM...

[David]

I should have said "doesn't sound like FM to me." Those five albums all sound different, but I think they mainly sound as if they were a collaboration of the entire band. Tango being somewhat of an exception, and so I'd agree that EFO has a Tango-ness to it.Yeah, but Fleetwood Mac in concert now doesn't sound like Fleetwood Mac, either (because there are more people onstage playing who aren't in the band than who are). So EFO wouldn't sound out of place in their set. It would just sound like another big hardware anthem, only faster tempo.

[Richard B]

You mean you weren't doing the lasso dance along with Stevie? :lol:
Haha. No I was too busy cringing.

[JazmenFlowers]

Haha. No I was too busy cringing.
it would've been cute once or maybe twice, but I was like ok, stop

[Richard B]

it would've been cute once or maybe twice, but I was like ok, stop
And now forever immortalized on Live in Boston. Fast Forward please.

[Highwayman]

You mean you weren't doing the lasso dance along with Stevie? :lol:

Lasso dance!!! :lol: Stevie and the backup singing girls need to learn some ASL (American Sign Language) and come up with some meaningful moves..

[Jyqm]

I think SYW sounds like two solo albums put together with Stevie and Lindsey doing background singing on each other's songs.

I just listened to SYW today, and I can definitely hear this vibe as well. But by the same token, I can't imagine Lindsey or Stevie changing their writing/recording styles very much at this point (unless they actually do write some songs together, as one or both of them said at one point a couple years ago, though I doubt that will ever actually happen). So I guess that begs the question: Is the idea of Fleetwood Mac front by Lindsey and Stevie a particularly viable or desirable option at this point in all of their careers? Or should they just move on?

As for a live EFO, I agree that it would cook live if they could pull it off, but I don't think Stevie is able or willing to get out of the comfort zone needed to make it work.

Oh, well, no, of course not, Stevie's clearly not willing to get out of her comfort zone enough to perform the song period. But, you know, if we're just fantastizing about the idea that she still takes herself seriously as a relevant and dynamic singer and performer (I know, it's a stretch), it sounds pretty awesome in my head.

[Highwayman]

Yeah, but Fleetwood Mac in concert now doesn't sound like Fleetwood Mac, either (because there are more people onstage playing who aren't in the band than who are).

I would love them to find a producer that tells the 5 of them to go into the garage at one of their houses, learn eachother's songs, and when they can play them beginning to end front to back, then go into the studio for 1, maybe 2, days to record it, and be done with it. This 9 months to make an album and all this production work and overkill is not what we want. No wonder why Christine was tired of it all. At their age, one or more of them could drop dead before a new album comes out. They are d@mn musicians; go make some music! :mad:

[JazmenFlowers]

Oh, well, no, of course not, Stevie's clearly not willing to get out of her comfort zone enough to perform the song period. But, you know, if we're just fantastizing about the idea that she still takes herself seriously as a relevant and dynamic singer and performer (I know, it's a stretch), it sounds pretty awesome in my head.
you do that too!? I totally have visions of Stevie rocking out and surpassing all of our expectations...why must I torture myself

[DavidMn]

you do that too!? I totally have visions of Stevie rocking out and surpassing all of our expectations...why must I torture myselfSame here. I had fantasies of her doing Sisters Of The Moon like back in the old days on the last tour. (((SIGH))))

[Richard B]

Dream on, silly dreamers.

[ELIUD]

:shrug: No idea; whoever played on TISL. Sound perfect for that album. Sounds like it was left off TISL, she brought it to FM and they just "plunked" it down on the album as is.
I'm sure the rest of the band is playing on the song. The drumming is Mick's best in my opinion. This is a link to the Enchanted Mistress (http://desrtangl.tripod.com/id2.html) website that is currently hosting a different mix of the song. They identify it as an "early mix" of EFO. But I've heard this before and I believe it is the Everybody Finds Out center channel mix from the DVD audio. Some of the music is pulled out of it and you can really hear Lindsey signature guitar style in the song.

Really do you think they would have plunked a song down from Stevie's solo work without adding to it or maybe "fixing" it? Preposterous.

[Jyqm]

you do that too!? I totally have visions of Stevie rocking out and surpassing all of our expectations...

Of course! Why do you think I bitch so loudly when she consistently fails to live up to my fantasy expectations (which I think lie well within the realm of her actual capabilities)?

[Rickypt]

So I guess that begs the question: Is the idea of Fleetwood Mac front by Lindsey and Stevie a particularly viable or desirable option at this point in all of their careers?

My answer is no. I'm not a big Lindsey fan, but I think he should work on solo albums. Even if they don't sell well, they will likely be critically acclaimed, and he can end his career with some nice works of art out there.

Stevie should just do whatever it is she wants to do, which is probably play some shows in Vegas with the same setlist and go into semi-retirement. Hopefully she will do another solo album, but I'm less and less confident of that as time goes on.

I think the only desirable option for FM would be if Lindsey and Stevie cowrote songs, but as you say, that is very unlikely. The other option would be for Christine to return for a farewell tour.

[strandinthewind]

I'm sure the rest of the band is playing on the song. The drumming is Mick's best in my opinion. This is a link to the Enchanted Mistress (http://desrtangl.tripod.com/id2.html) website that is currently hosting a different mix of the song. They identify it as an "early mix" of EFO. But I've heard this before and I believe it is the Everybody Finds Out center channel mix from the DVD audio. Some of the music is pulled out of it and you can really hear Lindsey signature guitar style in the song.

Really do you think they would have plunked a song down from Stevie's solo work without adding to it or maybe "fixing" it? Preposterous.

Also, in the DR doc. Stevie says upon hearing the first remix - "it sounds like John fell off of the stage," which suggests John was playing the bass lines.

[Rickypt]

you do that too!? I totally have visions of Stevie rocking out and surpassing all of our expectations...why must I torture myself

I did the same for years, but the Gold Dust Tour pretty much put an end to it. Now I just pop in that US Festival performance and wallow in nostalgia.

[Jyqm]

My answer is no. I'm not a big Lindsey fan, but I think he should work on solo albums. Even if they don't sell well, they will likely be critically acclaimed, and he can end his career with some nice works of art out there.

Stevie should just do whatever it is she wants to do, which is probably play some shows in Vegas with the same setlist and go into semi-retirement. Hopefully she will do another solo album, but I'm less and less confident of that as time goes on.

Yeah, pretty much.

I think the only desirable option for FM would be if Lindsey and Stevie cowrote songs, but as you say, that is very unlikely. The other option would be for Christine to return for a farewell tour.

Well, there are other options. There's also the possibility of Peter coming back and doing something with Mick and John, as has been discussed in the "Oh well" thread on the Peter forum. I think that's far and away the most desirable option for Fleetwood Mac at this point, assuming they can get a good producer to coax some good stripped down performances from Peter.

[rbs3676]

The other option would be for Christine to return for a farewell tour.

She did. It was called THE DANCE.

:lol:

rbs

[dissention]

Really do you think they would have plunked a song down from Stevie's solo work without adding to it or maybe "fixing" it? Preposterous.

They did it with Lindsey's "Murrow."

[strandinthewind]

They did it with Lindsey's "Murrow."

Weren't Mick and John on that though. I know they worked with him in the 90's - but am unsure of they are on that track and the others as well.

[dissention]

Weren't Mick and John on that though. I know they worked with him in the 90's - but am unsure of they are on that track and the others as well.

I'm not sure. But it's identical to the GOS version.

[strandinthewind]

I'm not sure. But it's identical to the GOS version.

So is Come if I am not mistaken.

[Johnny Stew]

This info was posted in 2003, I believe by JohnRun, and apparently taken from an info sheet that he had access to through his job....


Lindsey Buckingham - Korg Triton 7, Yamaha Motif 8 keyboards:
What's the World Coming To, Murrow, Thrown Down, Running Through The Garden, Silver Girl, Bleed to Love Her, Everybody Finds Out, Say Goodbye, and Goodbye Baby.

Stevie Nicks - additional keyboards: Running Through The Garden, and Silver Girl

John McVie - "black keys": Illume, and Everybody Finds Out

Additional Musicians:
Sheryl Crow: Hammond organ & backing vocals on Say You Will; backing vocals on Silver Girl
Jamie Muhbarec: Hammond organ on Come
Christine McVie: piano & backing vocals on Steal Your Heart Away; backing vocals on Bleed To Love Her
Dave Palmer: piano on Steal Your Heart Away
John Pierce: additional bass on Steal Your Heart Away
John Shanks: keyboards on What's The World Coming To, and Peacekeeper

[ELIUD]

They did it with Lindsey's "Murrow."
Lindsey's songs weren't pulled from Stevie's solo work.

[David]

So is Come if I am not mistaken.A bunch of Lindsey's songs -- Murrow, Miranda, Red Rover, Come, Steal Your Heart Away, Bleed to Love Her, Say Goodbye -- contain most of their tracks from the earlier solo sessions. They didn't rebuild any of those from the ground up. All they did was dick around with them, mostly in the mix phase, & added (mostly unnecessary) Stevie & Lindsey backup vocals here & there.

Stevie's stuff (& some new Lindsey tunes) was the only stuff they built from the ground up.

[strandinthewind]

A bunch of Lindsey's songs -- Murrow, Miranda, Red Rover, Come, Steal Your Heart Away, Bleed to Love Her, Say Goodbye -- contain most of their tracks from the earlier solo sessions. They didn't rebuild any of those from the ground up. All they did was dick around with them, mostly in the mix phase, & added (mostly unnecessary) Stevie & Lindsey backup vocals here & there.

Stevie's stuff (& some new Lindsey tunes) was the only stuff they built from the ground up.

Did John and Mick play on the original LB tracks? I remember they did some studio work with him prior to The Dance, but I am unsure what they worked on.

[Johnny Stew]

Did John and Mick play on the original LB tracks? I remember they did some studio work with him prior to The Dance, but I am unsure what they worked on.Based on the musician credits, I'd assume they played drums and bass on everything (although it's possible Lindsey played those instruments in some places).

[cliffdweller]

I heard Say You Will in Big Lots. 'Nuff said.


For some reason I have a hard believing you were EVER in Big Lots :laugh:.

[dissention]

For some reason I have a hard believing you were EVER in Big Lots :laugh:.

Sorry. Jerry Van Dyke makes me do crazy things.

[cliffdweller]

The other option would be for Christine to return for a farewell tour.

Now THAT would be worth seeing :thumbsup:.

[David]

I'm sure the rest of the band is playing on the song. The drumming is Mick's best in my opinion. This is a link to the Enchanted Mistress (http://desrtangl.tripod.com/id2.html) website that is currently hosting a different mix of the song. They identify it as an "early mix" of EFO. But I've heard this before and I believe it is the Everybody Finds Out center channel mix from the DVD audio. Some of the music is pulled out of it and you can really hear Lindsey signature guitar style in the song.The center channel things are great for hearing the bass lines, too -- helps you figure out the chords. Here's what I can come up with for EFO.

(Em) We see no change in sight (Am7)
Watching her decline (Em)
She gets on a midnight (Am7) plane
She's done it a thousand (Em) times

When (Em) love starts out in the (D/E) darkness
It (Am7) doesn't do well in the (Csus2/A) light
(Em) Affairs of the heart
That start (D/E) out in the dark
(Am7) Usually stay with (Csus2/A) the night

(Bm7) I know you (Csus2) don't agree
Every day you tell me
(Bm7) I know you (Csus2) don't agree

(Em) I know he loves me
(D/E) Every day he calls me
(Am7) He says he adores me
(Csus2/A) What can I say

(Em) You can't love him
(D/E) You can't have him
(Am7) I do have him
(Csus2/A) Most of the time

(Em) Anywhere we can
(D/E) Anytime he can
(Am7) Get away (Csus2/A)
(Em) Get away (D/E) (Am7) (Csus2/A)

(Repeat verse progression)

(Repeat bridge progression)

(Repeat chorus progression)

(G6) I know you don’t (Bm/D) agree
(G6) Well I know you don’t (Bm/D) agree

(Repeat chorus progression)

[JazmenFlowers]

The center channel things are great for hearing the bass lines, too -- helps you figure out the chords. Here's what I can come up with for EFO.

(Em) We see no change in sight (Am7)
Watching her decline (Em)
She gets on a midnight (Am7) plane
She's done it a thousand (Em) times

When (Em) love starts out in the (D/E) darkness
It (Am7) doesn't do well in the (Csus2/A) light
(Em) Affairs of the heart
That start (D/E) out in the dark
(Am7) Usually stay with (Csus2/A) the night

(Bm7) I know you (Csus2) don't agree
Every day you tell me
(Bm7) I know you (Csus2) don't agree

(Em) I know he loves me
(D/E) Every day he calls me
(Am7) He says he adores me
(Csus2/A) What can I say

(Em) You can't love him
(D/E) You can't have him
(Am7) I do have him
(Csus2/A) Most of the time

(Em) Anywhere we can
(D/E) Anytime he can
(Am7) Get away (Csus2/A)
(Em) Get away (D/E) (Am7) (Csus2/A)

(Repeat verse progression)

(Repeat bridge progression)

(Repeat chorus progression)

(G6) I know you don’t (Bm/D) agree
(G6) Well I know you don’t (Bm/D) agree

(Repeat chorus progression)
thank you!

[Jyqm]

Based on the musician credits, I'd assume they played drums and bass on everything (although it's possible Lindsey played those instruments in some places).

And of course in John's Penguin Q&A he claims that he has played bass on every track ever released on a Fleetwood Mac album. Assuming he just forgot about "Long Grey Mare" (that's the lone Brunning track, right?), I'll beleieve him.

[The Tower]

The center channel things are great for hearing the bass lines, too -- helps you figure out the chords. Here's what I can come up with for EFO.

(Em) We see no change in sight (Am7)
Watching her decline (Em)
She gets on a midnight (Am7) plane
She's done it a thousand (Em) times

When (Em) love starts out in the (D/E) darkness
It (Am7) doesn't do well in the (Csus2/A) light
(Em) Affairs of the heart
That start (D/E) out in the dark
(Am7) Usually stay with (Csus2/A) the night

(Bm7) I know you (Csus2) don't agree
Every day you tell me
(Bm7) I know you (Csus2) don't agree

(Em) I know he loves me
(D/E) Every day he calls me
(Am7) He says he adores me
(Csus2/A) What can I say

(Em) You can't love him
(D/E) You can't have him
(Am7) I do have him
(Csus2/A) Most of the time

(Em) Anywhere we can
(D/E) Anytime he can
(Am7) Get away (Csus2/A)
(Em) Get away (D/E) (Am7) (Csus2/A)

(Repeat verse progression)

(Repeat bridge progression)

(Repeat chorus progression)

(G6) I know you don’t (Bm/D) agree
(G6) Well I know you don’t (Bm/D) agree

(Repeat chorus progression)
Am7 ?? My short-circuited brain seems to remember that would be Cmaj7 . My piano at home needs a tuning, cuz I play this song in Ebm.

[jkmaletic]

The center channel things are great for hearing the bass lines, too -- helps you figure out the chords. Here's what I can come up with for EFO.

(Em) We see no change in sight (Am7)
Watching her decline (Em)
She gets on a midnight (Am7) plane
She's done it a thousand (Em) times

When (Em) love starts out in the (D/E) darkness
It (Am7) doesn't do well in the (Csus2/A) light
(Em) Affairs of the heart
That start (D/E) out in the dark
(Am7) Usually stay with (Csus2/A) the night

(Bm7) I know you (Csus2) don't agree
Every day you tell me
(Bm7) I know you (Csus2) don't agree

(Em) I know he loves me
(D/E) Every day he calls me
(Am7) He says he adores me
(Csus2/A) What can I say

(Em) You can't love him
(D/E) You can't have him
(Am7) I do have him
(Csus2/A) Most of the time

(Em) Anywhere we can
(D/E) Anytime he can
(Am7) Get away (Csus2/A)
(Em) Get away (D/E) (Am7) (Csus2/A)

(Repeat verse progression)

(Repeat bridge progression)

(Repeat chorus progression)

(G6) I know you don’t (Bm/D) agree
(G6) Well I know you don’t (Bm/D) agree

(Repeat chorus progression)
cool- but what is all this stuff? Is it notes on how to play it on piano or guitar? I've got the center channel mix of this song too, and it definitley sounds different thatn the finished version, but what does all this stuff mean?

[Serrart]

I'm so upset that more wasn't done with this song. I've been thinking about this a lot lately. The strings and other instrumentation on this song is top notch, in my opinion. I love the little break towards the end (the "don't you know" part). It could have been an awesome video or single and a remix would have been amazing. I hate that it was just left on the CD. I really like it and wish it had gotten more attention.

I totally agree, it's a great song with a big potential and it could have been a wonderful single. Who's the genius who chose the singles?

Romy

[Livia]

The A&R man says, "I don't hear a single..."

[Serrart]

The A&R man says, "I don't hear a single..."

That explains everything. Probably Warner executives just put the titles in a hat and picked two.

Romy

[goldustsongbird]

I'm so upset that more wasn't done with this song. I've been thinking about this a lot lately. The strings and other instrumentation on this song is top notch, in my opinion. I love the little break towards the end (the "don't you know" part). It could have been an awesome video or single and a remix would have been amazing. I hate that it was just left on the CD. I really like it and wish it had gotten more attention.
I realy like this song, including the break you mentioned. I agree it should've been released as a single. Stevie's got plenty of attitude... "I DO HAVE HIM!"
I could just picture her yelling this into the mic, doing a little hair shake. This would've rocked live!

[Ghost_Tracker]

I'm so upset that more wasn't done with this song. I've been thinking about this a lot lately. The strings and other instrumentation on this song is top notch, in my opinion. I love the little break towards the end (the "don't you know" part). It could have been an awesome video or single and a remix would have been amazing. I hate that it was just left on the CD. I really like it and wish it had gotten more attention.


Three words -

1.) Melborne.
2.) Symphony.
3.) Orchestra.

PROBABLY in that order . . . :shocked: :nod:

Hey, we can dream....

[AliceLover]

I thought only one recording surfaced; just the Columbus show and not the full rehearsal?

I'm convinced that the reason it was dropped was because it would have been too taxing on her voice to sing it every night.

Then why on Earth would they add Second Hand News which is obviously harder to sing than RTTG?

[AliceLover]

I think it was more a function of her perception of poor audience reception. I think she can within reason sing anything anyway she wants and she will be okay. I think she just plays if way safe because she has had huge vocal trouble in the past, she is in her late 50's, etc.

If you listen to the Columbus boot it gets a great reaction right when she sings the first word and a good reaction at the end.

[David]

Then why on Earth would they add Second Hand News which is obviously harder to sing than RTTG?I'm confused. Help me out here.

[AliceLover]

I'm confused. Help me out here.

After RTTG was dropped they plopped in SHN...which is IMO harder for Stevie to sing.

[catinthedark]

Also some of her best lyrics in years IMO:

"When love starts out in the darkness
It doesn't do well in the light
Affairs of the heart
That start out in the dark
Usually stay with the night"

:nod: :woohoo:

And some of her worst:

You can't love him
You can't have him
I do have him, most of the time

Sadly, just that one little part of the songs takes away any hope of pure and utter enjoyment of it. I like it, but I don't love it.

Honestly, I think the most radio-friendly song would have been Steal Your Heart Away. Great melody, great harmonies. Sweet, easy to sing, good hook. Peacekeeper was too odd; I think the record company went with it as the lead single hoping to capitalize on the anti-war sentiments of the time. Lame.

[SapphireSister]

And some of her worst:

You can't love him
You can't have him
I do have him, most of the time

Sadly, just that one little part of the songs takes away any hope of pure and utter enjoyment of it. I like it, but I don't love it.


And I really don't see it that way. If I love particular lyrics in a song I can easily overlook some that aren't neccecarily on the same level and enjoy the parts I do without even thinking about the others. Focus on the good!

[catinthedark]

And I really don't see it that way. If I love particular lyrics in a song I can easily overlook some that aren't neccecarily on the same level and enjoy the parts I do without even thinking about the others. Focus on the good!

Hahahaha! I find I have to do that too often... (*ree-ow!*) :laugh:

Wearing boots all summer long used to make me cringe, but I got over it because my love of Nightbird was too strong. I know I have many other lines that make me want to dive for cover... of course they're all eluding me at the moment... hurting my everything... reminding me of blue denim...

[Richard B]

Honestly, I think the most radio-friendly song would have been Steal Your Heart Away. Great melody, great harmonies. Sweet, easy to sing, good hook.
What do you mean would have? It was single.

[catinthedark]

What do you mean would have? It was single.

It wasn't a single in Canada - was it in the U.S.? I never, ever heard it on the radio. I stand corrected if it was released as a single - but I certainly never saw or heard any indication that it was. Did it even chart?

[bikerchic]

EFO is my favourite song on that cd. It f**king rocks! Some of Stevie's best writing, IMO. I think it would have kicked ass live, but once again, Stevie takes the easy route out with SYW, EFO would have been too much work for her.

[ontheEdgeof17]

It wasn't a single in Canada - was it in the U.S.? I never, ever heard it on the radio. I stand corrected if it was released as a single - but I certainly never saw or heard any indication that it was. Did it even chart?


SYHA and Thrown Down were released at the same time as singles. Unfortunately, no one knew they were released. :cool:

[catinthedark]

SYHA and Thrown Down were released at the same time as singles. Unfortunately, no one knew they were released. :cool:

Well, hopefully someone lost their job for that uninspired move. Released at the same time? What artist releases two songs at the same time? I could see if it was an artist like Beyonce, and one was an upbeat hip hop dance track and one was an AC ballad... but why would a record company release two FM songs at the same time? :shrug: No wonder this poor album didn't do well. It didn't stand a chance with that kind of crappy marketing.

[Dealer]

I would love them to find a producer that tells the 5 of them to go into the garage at one of their houses, learn eachother's songs, and when they can play them beginning to end front to back, then go into the studio for 1, maybe 2, days to record it, and be done with it. This 9 months to make an album and all this production work and overkill is not what we want. No wonder why Christine was tired of it all. At their age, one or more of them could drop dead before a new album comes out. They are d@mn musicians; go make some music! :mad:

Cheers. Get over yourselves and bare-bones it for once before it's too late.:nod:

[ELIUD]

And some of her worst:

You can't love him
You can't have him
I do have him, most of the time

Sadly, just that one little part of the songs takes away any hope of pure and utter enjoyment of it. I like it, but I don't love it...


I love all the lyrics of this song. This part especially seems to have her (or whomever the song is about) wrestling with her conscience. The voices in her head are fighting it out. Over all the song to me is an anthem for "the other woman" in a relationship and the cries of a crazy woman in love. That's why I like it so much and think it's Stevie at her most reckless and ready to explode.

[Rickypt]

SYHA and Thrown Down were released at the same time as singles. Unfortunately, no one knew they were released. :cool:

Then why on earth didn't they do both songs live during the 2004 leg, replacing Peacekeeper and SYW?!?

[David]

SYHA and Thrown Down were released at the same time as singles. Unfortunately, no one knew they were released. :cool:SYHA was released as a single?! Had I only known . . . when my Fleetwood tribute did SYHA live a bunch of times last year, we could have introduced it as the "current single ... soon not to be current" instead of just "you have no idea what the hell this song is, do you?"

http://s12.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0JO1PJD2EF9DF1FCQ7XVLZIPX7

So was there an actual CD single or something released for it? If so, was there another song on it?